We need food security. I lived in the Blackmore Vale, Dorset, once called the 'Vale of a hundred Dairies', not so now, hardly any left. Government are townies and have no idea how the farms are run. Most farms do not make money. The hobby farmers come in to not really farm, just to push up prices. The 'Bean Counters' have no idea. Look what has happened in Spain, due to the floods we will suffer food shortages, because we import so much from them. Is this not an ideal illustration of what can happen. Reeves is totally stupid, Economist, do me a favour.
@@sarahann530 About 150 houses built since 1994 but no. It is put to other uses than cattle. One is now a series of warehouses and I dusteial units. Another a gliding club.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Were those houses all built for immigrants 30 years ago ? Would the area be better served by dairy farms or businesses that provide employment? Should the UK stop building warehouses and industrial units ?
I hope we don't ruin farming as we have the car industry, manufacturing generally, motor cycles, bicycles, TV manufacturing, vacuums, mining, the oil industry etc., We cannot 'just' import everything. At some point those selling will not want Sterling. We cannot all work in banking and finance or bio-technology or AI. Our service sector economy does not pay enough to pay the rent especially not with the increase in employer National Insurance. Food, parcel and people delivery are ruining our country. These 'gig economy' jobs are a magnet for low skilled and low paid migration. If we do lose the ability to 'grow our own' those barren shelves we saw during Covid will become a familiar sight.
@@sarahann530 Sure I did not say we grew ALL our own food. The phrase 'grow our own' was taken from the 'Dig for Victory' campaign in World War 2 when the Food Ministry encouraged everyone to 'Dig for Victory' by planting on spare land everywhere in Britain. Hence the use of quotes. That is, 'Grow your own onions'.
@einseitig3391 They still did not grow all the food needed. The UK has not done so in over 200 years. The farmers have done a piss poor job for generations
If we want to retain British food, we need to support our farmers. They have suffered under BREXIT. It is not profitable. And this feels like the last nail in the coffin. All of the farms in my area are well over £1m because of the cost of land. However, the profits are minimal and they are not cash rich. I don’t think the stats quoted by the chancellor add up and I hope she will listen.
@@MrOMGWTFROFL1 A lot of farmers fell for the narrative of the LEAVE campaign but not all. The NFU advised them to vote to REMAIN. Farmers were promised that they would retain the equivalent of CAP and surprise, surprise this was an untruth. Just like the promise that we wouldn't leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. We are where we are with BREXIT and collectively we need to decide whether or not we think it important to produce our own food.
@@wiltshirepoliceband3474 The government are still paying subsidies to farmers England just using different systems for paying it. Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland have continued with a flat rate per hectare payment the same as the EU. In England they have incentivised farmers to increase slurry storage, seed drills that reduce tillage and reduce carbon imitations, mobile sheep handling systems, bird food mixes on land to increase wild birds and insect, paying farmers to not use insecticides, growing crops like clover to reduce nitrogen fertilisers and Species rich herbal leys.
I cannot believe that nobody mentally assesses these bodies first. Just give them the power and do not remove them when clearly everyone can see trouble. He is there to serve and run the country, not dictate.
Im.a livestock farmer and me and Liz agree on little but this is designed to destroy family farms. Big business and trust fund managers are buying us out and it will increase. Tbey have cut hospice funding, pensioners heating allowance and now us. They hate farming, rural communities and our way of life.
I am a self made farmer ex farm worker. I bought my land after 2005. I get NO subsidies they go to the landowners! I'd have to buy subsidies Bliar brought that in ! Do your homework
I own 40 acres purchased after 2005. If I wanted subsidy I'd have to buy the subsidies. I rent 600 which the subsidies go to the landowners not the farmer who rents. Labour introduced this policy!
Not clear why this is ‘destroying’ farming. Wealthy landowners won’t get the tax relief they don’t deserve. Brexit attacked British production - even Mogga accepts and welcomes that.
Why, with Starmer saying farming is in his DNA, has he made this ridiculously petty, spiteful and truly ignorant decision. I wonder whether he was fibbing when saying it's in his DNA? Surely not.
As before, will Labour be forced to bring back food rationing if imports become constrained too? Maybe an ESG hedge for the new corporate owners of these likely land disposals will offer their employees a linked 'Green Luncheon Vouchers'.
We should be grateful our farmers work so hard for us every day in all weather's for little or no profit. Losing food security is very dangerous and we are in danger of not being able to feed our own population, let alone have food to export. Labour will be forced to make very dangerous and financially prohibitive deals with other countries in order to feed us, because they just don't care about us or our wonderful farmers.
On the point of British farmers 'feeding the country' and food sovereignty, there are 70 million people on this tiny island. There's never a chance in hell that we will ever completely feed ourselves as a country. If the population drops, the economy tanks, and then the UK is screwed. So they have to keep pop growth, but we're already importing 50% of our food. Added to that, we now have 26 million cats and dogs. 40% of UKs arable land is just for feeding livestock, it's insanely inefficient. That's also an awful lot of food just for animals that have negative ecological and environmental value, over £3 billion of imports for animal feed in 2022, that's only going up. The narrative needs to change here. Farming is needed, but our country is past compensation point and as long as the population grows, our imports will necessarily need to increase. Part of agriculture's issues are driven by historic and current farming practices being awful, the soils are dead, the yields terrible. Some places won't have many harvests left. There's no way of changing that with fertilisers or GM crops, it'll even be hard to regenerate farmland back to nature now, the microorganisms and fungi are gone, the animal life above ground is gone. There's no chance that Britain will be able to even get back to importing 40% of its food, we are totally reliant upon other countries to feed our population. Many, many scientists are arguing that we need a period where we scale back farming to recover the soils, fungi, invertebrates and pollinator communities. Farming will die without that recovery. After that, we can start to implement updated and more sustainable and efficient agricultural systems that contribute less to global climate change. But with a burgeoning population, there also needs to be societal change in terms of what food we eat and what we feed pets/livestock. Beef production is killing the world, we need to decrease our consumption. UK soybean production is negligible at the moment. If everyone in the UK switched to just two meatless meals per week, we'd probably save over 200 million metric tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions a year. That's the equivalent to planting about 13 billion trees in terms of carbon capture.
Wow, the times are really going in hard on this one. The initial reviews of the budget by the political correspondents barely even mentioned this. Amazing what they'll do to sell a few more views/papers
It is if farmers can’t afford to pay the tax and are forced to sell the land. Big companies will be circling to buy up cheap land to offset their carbon emissions
@@alistairrobinson3865 Also potentially land may be a lot more expensive in the uk as the density is often higher than other countries meaning even more tax to raise. Remember it’s the individual not the farm who has to raise the tax so for the farm to help they’d have to pay capital gains and then there’s more tax to get it to the farmer before the inheritance kicks in! A complete mess!
Well tax experts believe this goes up to 2 million for a single farm owner, 4 million for a couple. Funny enough when the relief was brought in it didn't increase food production at all, it just distorted the land value because of rich people buying farms to avoid IHT. “The inheritance tax loophole on farmland, introduced in 1984, simply pushed up the price of land without improving returns to active farmers.... “This is because, like most agricultural subsidies, the value of the relief was capitalised into land values. As tax planners cottoned on to its role as a licence to avoid IHT, they advised their super-rich clients to buy land and take advantage of it. In the 20 years to 2012, the price of farmland increased fourfold." If we want to maintain food security, sure provide subsidies (which should help the production and output of farms) but its a bit of a stretch that every other family needs to pay IHT on their family home but farmers do not.
If the threshold was realistic nearer 5 to 10 million or land prices tank down to 1990s levels the tax would be easier to justify but with little notice with no real time to put in measures to protect the business going forward my parents are in their late eighties early nineties there is little that can be done to prepare as 7 years is wishful thinking. We had always been advised apr would be there to rely on for the business going forward. It’s difficult to believe the ministers claim they are not out to get farmers.
Nonsense from the farmers! Every economist pre-budget were saying that it has long since been an anomaly that farmers do not pay inheritance tax and it should be changed. As it stands, they are still getting a great deal and much better than the rest of us. Most of the general public were unaware that farmers were treated as a special case and have little sympathy for the farmers!
@@Crouchy232323 we could eat cats, dogs and other humans. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should be forced to!!! You also don't realise the amount of work farmers to to keep the eco system in balance because we no longer have the animal species like wolves in the country to keep the deer, rabbit and squirrel population in check! They would devour the plants and habitats that insects need to survive and populate. No farmers and you starve.
@@Crouchy232323 and who do you think would be out collecting your insects, preparing them and sending them to supermarket for you to lazily drive to buy? It would still be the very same farmers as they are the ones who want to do that type of work! Or are you going to spend millions on buying land to grow flowers and sit out all day and night trapping insects for a few £ a month profit? You are not very bright
@@Crouchy232323 we can also eat cats and dogs, just because we can doesn't mean we should be forced to! You obviously have no idea how the eco system works and how much we rely on farmers to keep it in check as we don't have animals like wolves to keep the deer, rabbit and squirrel population under control. So without farmers and land owners. The deer and rabbits would devour the habitat that insects need to survive.
I'm sorry for your 1 million pounds tax free, I so wish every hard-working brit could say the same, but the majority will only cover the cost of crematorium and a two week holiday in the Costa's. Next, you'll be telling us the brexit voters are paying you grants rather than EU subs. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I would suggest many of you sell parts of your farm to your family members for a quid while you are still alive.
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Freezing pensioner, attacking food production; what next; and just because they don’t get “Freebie’s” from these two groups.
...and flood the country with freeloaders then you have the whole Labour package deal.
Don't forget Milliband wiping out the National Grid.......!!!!!!!
Come on farmers unite. You can beat this dictator.
Cmon farmers ,you united behind Brexit . You can do it again
We need food security. I lived in the Blackmore Vale, Dorset, once called the 'Vale of a hundred Dairies', not so now, hardly any left. Government are townies and have no idea how the farms are run. Most farms do not make money. The hobby farmers come in to not really farm, just to push up prices. The 'Bean Counters' have no idea. Look what has happened in Spain, due to the floods we will suffer food shortages, because we import so much from them. Is this not an ideal illustration of what can happen. Reeves is totally stupid, Economist, do me a favour.
The hobby farmers that bid up land prices because they can dodge inheritance tax . Thanks for pointing that out
The East Devon village I was raised in had 16 dairy farms in a two mile radius. Now just 3.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Has the land disappeared?
@@sarahann530 About 150 houses built since 1994 but no. It is put to other uses than cattle. One is now a series of warehouses and I dusteial units. Another a gliding club.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Were those houses all built for immigrants 30 years ago ? Would the area be better served by dairy farms or businesses that provide employment?
Should the UK stop building warehouses and industrial units ?
19th November rally in London. See farmers forum
I hope we don't ruin farming as we have the car industry, manufacturing generally, motor cycles, bicycles, TV manufacturing, vacuums, mining, the oil industry etc.,
We cannot 'just' import everything.
At some point those selling will not want Sterling.
We cannot all work in banking and finance or bio-technology or AI.
Our service sector economy does not pay enough to pay the rent especially not with the increase in employer National Insurance.
Food, parcel and people delivery are ruining our country. These 'gig economy' jobs are a magnet for low skilled and low paid migration.
If we do lose the ability to 'grow our own' those barren shelves we saw during Covid will become a familiar sight.
When did you grow all your own food ?
@@sarahann530 Sure I did not say we grew ALL our own food. The phrase 'grow our own' was taken from the 'Dig for Victory' campaign in World War 2 when the Food Ministry encouraged everyone to 'Dig for Victory' by planting on spare land everywhere in Britain. Hence the use of quotes. That is, 'Grow your own onions'.
@einseitig3391 They still did not grow all the food needed. The UK has not done so in over 200 years.
The farmers have done a piss poor job for generations
If we want to retain British food, we need to support our farmers. They have suffered under BREXIT. It is not profitable. And this feels like the last nail in the coffin. All of the farms in my area are well over £1m because of the cost of land. However, the profits are minimal and they are not cash rich. I don’t think the stats quoted by the chancellor add up and I hope she will listen.
Brexit? As in what they voted for?
Bullshit 68 million people need to be fed Brexit or not Brexit.
@@MrOMGWTFROFL1 A lot of farmers fell for the narrative of the LEAVE campaign but not all. The NFU advised them to vote to REMAIN. Farmers were promised that they would retain the equivalent of CAP and surprise, surprise this was an untruth. Just like the promise that we wouldn't leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. We are where we are with BREXIT and collectively we need to decide whether or not we think it important to produce our own food.
@@wiltshirepoliceband3474 The government are still paying subsidies to farmers England just using different systems for paying it. Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland have continued with a flat rate per hectare payment the same as the EU. In England they have incentivised farmers to increase slurry storage, seed drills that reduce tillage and reduce carbon imitations, mobile sheep handling systems, bird food mixes on land to increase wild birds and insect, paying farmers to not use insecticides, growing crops like clover to reduce nitrogen fertilisers and Species rich herbal leys.
They voted for Brexit and still moan about the effects total Doyle’s feel like they deserve what they voted for
WEF policies in action. We’ve seen it in France & the Netherlands. Let’s hope our farmers react accordingly!
I cannot believe that nobody mentally assesses these bodies first. Just give them the power and do not remove them when clearly everyone can see trouble. He is there to serve and run the country, not dictate.
It's Labour, the ultimate incompetents. Partygate? What about Beergate.
The eu said he had to do it if he wants closer relations so you should be happy liz.
It's the great reset in full swing ya noodle!
The same EU that bribed hundreds of UK businesses to move elsewhere in Europe.
That's why me and Liz rarely see eye to eye.
Im.a livestock farmer and me and Liz agree on little but this is designed to destroy family farms.
Big business and trust fund managers are buying us out and it will increase.
Tbey have cut hospice funding, pensioners heating allowance and now us.
They hate farming, rural communities and our way of life.
Yet they keep subsidies flowing to help your way of life .
I am a self made farmer ex farm worker. I bought my land after 2005. I get NO subsidies they go to the landowners! I'd have to buy subsidies
Bliar brought that in !
Do your homework
@stephenholmes1036 How are you a farmer if you don't have any land .?
I own 40 acres purchased after 2005. If I wanted subsidy I'd have to buy the subsidies.
I rent 600 which the subsidies go to the landowners not the farmer who rents.
Labour introduced this policy!
Will Labour admit their error? I doubt it...
She done the same thing to the old people of this country why we can't get rid of labor i don't know they are useless
The Tories took care of the old people
Not clear why this is ‘destroying’ farming.
Wealthy landowners won’t get the tax relief they don’t deserve.
Brexit attacked British production - even Mogga accepts and welcomes that.
Why, with Starmer saying farming is in his DNA, has he made this ridiculously petty, spiteful and truly ignorant decision. I wonder whether he was fibbing when saying it's in his DNA? Surely not.
As before, will Labour be forced to bring back food rationing if imports become constrained too? Maybe an ESG hedge for the new corporate owners of these likely land disposals will offer their employees a linked 'Green Luncheon Vouchers'.
We should be grateful our farmers work so hard for us every day in all weather's for little or no profit. Losing food security is very dangerous and we are in danger of not being able to feed our own population, let alone have food to export. Labour will be forced to make very dangerous and financially prohibitive deals with other countries in order to feed us, because they just don't care about us or our wonderful farmers.
When was the UK food secure ?
Uk is not united anymore
If I were you Starma, I would never look in a mirror.
God help you 😢
On the point of British farmers 'feeding the country' and food sovereignty, there are 70 million people on this tiny island. There's never a chance in hell that we will ever completely feed ourselves as a country. If the population drops, the economy tanks, and then the UK is screwed. So they have to keep pop growth, but we're already importing 50% of our food. Added to that, we now have 26 million cats and dogs. 40% of UKs arable land is just for feeding livestock, it's insanely inefficient. That's also an awful lot of food just for animals that have negative ecological and environmental value, over £3 billion of imports for animal feed in 2022, that's only going up. The narrative needs to change here. Farming is needed, but our country is past compensation point and as long as the population grows, our imports will necessarily need to increase.
Part of agriculture's issues are driven by historic and current farming practices being awful, the soils are dead, the yields terrible. Some places won't have many harvests left. There's no way of changing that with fertilisers or GM crops, it'll even be hard to regenerate farmland back to nature now, the microorganisms and fungi are gone, the animal life above ground is gone. There's no chance that Britain will be able to even get back to importing 40% of its food, we are totally reliant upon other countries to feed our population. Many, many scientists are arguing that we need a period where we scale back farming to recover the soils, fungi, invertebrates and pollinator communities. Farming will die without that recovery. After that, we can start to implement updated and more sustainable and efficient agricultural systems that contribute less to global climate change. But with a burgeoning population, there also needs to be societal change in terms of what food we eat and what we feed pets/livestock. Beef production is killing the world, we need to decrease our consumption. UK soybean production is negligible at the moment. If everyone in the UK switched to just two meatless meals per week, we'd probably save over 200 million metric tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions a year. That's the equivalent to planting about 13 billion trees in terms of carbon capture.
The great reset is going well here in the UK , god help us
I is the typical Labour voter, I done shut down the E economy cause I is so informed, huh huh huh.
We want uk back in EU
Wow, the times are really going in hard on this one. The initial reviews of the budget by the political correspondents barely even mentioned this. Amazing what they'll do to sell a few more views/papers
Its nothing to do with food security , we are the only country in Europe that doesn't apply Inheritance Tax on Agricultural land.
It is if farmers can’t afford to pay the tax and are forced to sell the land. Big companies will be circling to buy up cheap land to offset their carbon emissions
Can’t deny or confirm your statement, but they do have EU subsidies in most of Europe to help out…
@@alistairrobinson3865 Also potentially land may be a lot more expensive in the uk as the density is often higher than other countries meaning even more tax to raise. Remember it’s the individual not the farm who has to raise the tax so for the farm to help they’d have to pay capital gains and then there’s more tax to get it to the farmer before the inheritance kicks in! A complete mess!
Brexit disaster
Snowflakes always moaning
There's been a suicide over this already. I don't think this is landed gentry getting uppity.
I'm sick of hearing about pensioners & farmers.
Try hospices too funding cut
Well tax experts believe this goes up to 2 million for a single farm owner, 4 million for a couple. Funny enough when the relief was brought in it didn't increase food production at all, it just distorted the land value because of rich people buying farms to avoid IHT.
“The inheritance tax loophole on farmland, introduced in 1984, simply pushed up the price of land without improving returns to active farmers.... “This is because, like most agricultural subsidies, the value of the relief was capitalised into land values. As tax planners cottoned on to its role as a licence to avoid IHT, they advised their super-rich clients to buy land and take advantage of it. In the 20 years to 2012, the price of farmland increased fourfold."
If we want to maintain food security, sure provide subsidies (which should help the production and output of farms) but its a bit of a stretch that every other family needs to pay IHT on their family home but farmers do not.
Why should any free person pay tax? What kind of evil hearted person is pro taxation?
If the threshold was realistic nearer 5 to 10 million or land prices tank down to 1990s levels the tax would be easier to justify but with little notice with no real time to put in measures to protect the business going forward my parents are in their late eighties early nineties there is little that can be done to prepare as 7 years is wishful thinking. We had always been advised apr would be there to rely on for the business going forward. It’s difficult to believe the ministers claim they are not out to get farmers.
Nonsense from the farmers! Every economist pre-budget were saying that it has long since been an anomaly that farmers do not pay inheritance tax and it should be changed. As it stands, they are still getting a great deal and much better than the rest of us.
Most of the general public were unaware that farmers were treated as a special case and have little sympathy for the farmers!
You're delusional
Typical metropolitan middle-class ijut.
Try defending your cuts to hospices as well.
Where do you buy your food?
Do you by British?
I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say that we support Sir Keir Starmer over these farmers and we will prevail
You will starve.
@kieranb7047 we could eat insects actually instead of farmed food it has all the nutrients we need
@@Crouchy232323 we could eat cats, dogs and other humans. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should be forced to!!!
You also don't realise the amount of work farmers to to keep the eco system in balance because we no longer have the animal species like wolves in the country to keep the deer, rabbit and squirrel population in check! They would devour the plants and habitats that insects need to survive and populate. No farmers and you starve.
@@Crouchy232323 and who do you think would be out collecting your insects, preparing them and sending them to supermarket for you to lazily drive to buy? It would still be the very same farmers as they are the ones who want to do that type of work! Or are you going to spend millions on buying land to grow flowers and sit out all day and night trapping insects for a few £ a month profit? You are not very bright
@@Crouchy232323 we can also eat cats and dogs, just because we can doesn't mean we should be forced to!
You obviously have no idea how the eco system works and how much we rely on farmers to keep it in check as we don't have animals like wolves to keep the deer, rabbit and squirrel population under control. So without farmers and land owners. The deer and rabbits would devour the habitat that insects need to survive.
I'm sorry for your 1 million pounds tax free, I so wish every hard-working brit could say the same, but the majority will only cover the cost of crematorium and a two week holiday in the Costa's. Next, you'll be telling us the brexit voters are paying you grants rather than EU subs. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I would suggest many of you sell parts of your farm to your family members for a quid while you are still alive.