The Drum Machine That Shaped Krautrock
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- The Elka Drummer One is no Klaus Dinger or Jaki Liebzeit, but it deserves its place in the history of Krautrock drumming. It was used by a bunch of German bands at the time, most prominently the wonderful Harmonia, a supergroup consisting of members of Neu! and Cluster (some of which where involved in a short-lived iteration of Karftwerk, too). In this video I show its functions (including a big surprise at the very end) and how @LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER and me used it on our EP "Pipe Dreams", out now on hainbach.bandc...
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Pipe Dreams feat. LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER name-your-price until Thursday: hainbach.bandcamp.com/album/pipe-dreams
Same beats as my grandma's organ from the 80s
What a racket this haunted business 😂😂😂
My goodness my Faust and CAN Albums are being conjured from the past.
Somehow had an inkling you like Harmonia. I used to live in the same apartment building with Mr Roedelius in the 90s in this small town outside of Vienna, good times with this wonderful human being, he would come over, let himself fall on my bed, asked for headphones and listened to my 4 track piece i was working on. Even accompanied him once on guitar on one of his concerts.
I always considered him/them my musical papas. One afternoon i came home and as i walked through the yard, him and Moebi came out of his part of the building, Roedi wearing all white, Moebi all black, a true _sowiesoso_ moment.
that back socket is an untapped bounty. gotta find the other side that would be awesome. the socket. wonder if its a custom or has a name. very coool
I don't know what the connector is called but think it's. The same family of connectors that you find on lots oof Italian organs. , I'm repairing one at the moment that doesn't have the socket, there's a section of the diode matrix that's unpopulated. Looking at the schematics it seems to be trigger outs for another voice, it probably gets connected to a chord generator in the organ.
I'm not exactly sure how the matrix is wired up since it's all mixed up with the switches but it does seem to have 16 Collums which might correspond to 16 steps and could mean there's a possibility to wire up some switches and give it a tr style sequencer.
A wild lookmumnocomputer has entered the chat 🤣
Yeah, but if it's meant to send trigger pulses out, it's risky to use it backwards to trigger the internal sound modules. The output stage of whatever you're using to send the pulses in will expect to be driving a much higher impedance, and it may overheat and burn out. It needs someone smarter than me (Big Clive, for example) to have a careful look at the circuit design and give a well informed opinion.
@@David_K_Booth indeed. i was trying to find shematics when chatting to hainbacj about it before. the only thing is needs is diodes to stop backwards voltages. any more is overkill in this setup.
I'm sure I've seen similar sockets on old military and industrial electronic and engineering devices.
Most manufacturers font spend time and money reinventing the wheel if there's something already in existence.
There you go, another rabbit hole to jump into. Thank me later.
You could always drill a few holes in the bottom, (to keep it original, aesthetically) and do some breakout jack sockets. Connect your individual outputs with ultraslim pancake jack leads.
Loved seeing how these ‘simple’ drum machines can be used so creatively and to such great effect.
Perfect person to talk about Krautrock.
Really why?
@@x.noybic7007 because they know nothing. Boring machine btw. You can get organs for nothing with the same sounds. And still presets rhythms. Mods and indiv triggers may be interesting. But sending out trigger pulses to modulars stays boring. And slowing a tape machine doesn't make it sound like a linndrum at all. Also how difficult is it to normalise the audio of a video? Levels are all over the place and voice is sooo low volume. On laptops with little speakers that is a thing. Anyway Krautrock is mostly interesting when they hit the funk. Not those whiny pipedreams tracks. Video about gear is only interesting if you push a machine. This is a lazy video in my book.
@@Madrrrrrrrrrrrbait
@@Madrrrrrrrrrrrnobody asked
@@AlexNikrin then shut up.
What’s better than Heinbach bringing us some classic: Boom Data Boom Dat Boom Dat Dah? Thanks for making my week Heinbach. 🎵✌️
Thank you for the kind words 😊
OMG the entire drum section of the Dust Brothers' Fight Club Soundtrack
Man, thanks for reminding me of that soundtrack. So good!
I know the video’s abt the drum machine, but that Audio/Baton stole the show for me - the little keyboard graphic above the controls is a genius bit of design work, showing where the frequencies sit!
Yeah I have to make a video on it - I have a transformer balanced version that just sounds a level above this one
A definite up-vote for a whole video about this; it does look really cool 👍
@@Hainbachthe transformer adds what exactly? Precision?
Ooooh... when you turned up the "dirty stinking bass" drum 4:44 and got that lovely throbbing drone out of it... I made the same face that Sam makes 6:14 when the speed drops down on the tape!
I love how "Pipe Dreams" has just a tiny soupçon of "Ohm Sweet Ohm" 8:03.
Right, I've got to go put some Harmonia on my phone for headphone listening now.
A software version of the Elka Drummer One would be cool!
Such perfect timing of a video. I’ve already been obsessed with Musik Von Harmonia for the past year, but recently I finally listened to Zuckerzeit and got even more obsessed. Wonderful video, so cool to see this iconic drum machine being explored in depth
you might enjoy harmonia and eno '76 ...
I'm jealous with all the albums you still got to discover! "Sowiesoso", "Cluster II" and "Cluster & Eno" just to name 3 of my favorites.
I love it! Are you gonna make a plugin version of this?
"Immer wieder rauf und runter ..." :-)
I think Michael Rother also used a Keio Mini Pops drum machine, as did Echo and the Bunnymen.
Great video, thanks.
Sounds and looks amazing. Has a very Dieter Rams look in a 70s way to it, timeless!
The tempo strobo on the right side is such a wonderful feature, lock in from a distance, love it!
Servus Hainbach! Ich frohe mich über dein kanal. (Excuse me for my crappy school German). As a dreamy nerd who used TD and various other synthesizer experiments as soundtrack for my 80s adolescence I find great joy in your videos. Electronic music is a strange and often beautiful beast. It's like breaking down reality into small electronic pieces and construct something new and improved while having great fun. I'm especially glad that you reach out to other creators. In our time of conflicts I find comfort in watching the videos about the Polivoks. That would have been so much harder to make during the cold war. Likewise, who would have thought 80 years ago that a German and an Englishman would be making music together, having fun? To me it seems that we can make a claim on the future. We have at least a possibility to make it beautiful. We just need to connect the cords to the right sockets, put all the knobs in the right positions and add some effects ❤
Beautifully put!
Thanks for this. Your videos inspire me - not because of nostalgia but because you show the value and greatness of the most clear simplicity.
Amazing timing on this video. I saw Michael Rother play live recently, and have been on a Harmonia ride ever since. I have really been wondering what they used for a rhythm machine - and here we are!
Krautrock- such a great creative genre!
Love that KORG VCF , neat and tidy with clairty easy to shape long faders never have seen that item. I would throw everything through my SH-2 filter similar deal - but I no longer have the keyboard .
Machines like that are so incredible.
The Seeburg select-a-rhythm is another legendary machine of this type, used by Synth Punk pioneers Suicide, especially on the scariest song in the world "Frankie Teardrop"
I got thrown out of a music store when I was a kid for making one of those sound like a truck full of angry ducks hitting a truck full of empty milk cans - at least that's what the salesguy said...
i read a rother interview that said they used the schaller tremolo to cut up the preset beats to make new rhythms
Wouldn't sound as wonderful as it does without it!
What a wonderful piece of music history. Thanks für sharing.
It has cowbell! I approve of this machine! 😁
Now, an Arduino mod that lets you create presets that presses all of the drum preset buttons at one time.
Actually, with Korg filter - that is *really* cool.
Wonderful to see people keeping electronic music history alive. The creative juices that came out the challenges of rather temperamental and limited equipment when plugged together beats anything done in the box today. I miss my Casio!
Love the Drummer One and love Harmonia. Great video. I have mine modded with individual outputs and Tubbutec midi. Also have two that were in combo amps!
Music noob, but I was surprised how you changed that classic drum machine, combine it with even older, new tech and create something absolutely contemporary. Now I realize this is the essence of sampling and synthesizing, but the creative mix of music and technology is something that never ceases to amaze me.
Sounds like Zuckerzeit and Musik Von Harmonia. Awesome.
totally agree! harmonia & eno 76 - "tracks & traces" is also great!
Nope..In Zuckerzeit Cluster used a Farfisa rhythm machine
@@kastilruiz From what I've always understood, Zuckerzeit (and the Harmonia records) used Michael Rother's Rhythm One.
The drums on Hollywood from Zuckerzeit are created by cycling through presets on a drum machine? I'm not sure how else they would trigger such patterns (or lack of patterns).
Rhythm one? Which machine is that?@@jasonmoyer
Amazing how something so simple can sound really good if you use it the right way. That solo rythmer is fascinating , like a precursor to midi . So cool !
I read that this was supposed to connect to an organ for arpeggio triggering. But I have not seen a demo of that
Nice classic Beyer Dynamic mic. 👍🏻😊 Sehr geil.
harmonia is amazing
Ooo love the snare on that. The trigger outs on the back are a surprising feature! Very useful.
Sounds amazing through the processing.
Also noticed you got a Korg FK-1. Mine is being fixed, but also modded with CV inputs to use as a stand alone filter module. I'll have to get the details from my tech if you want to do the same.
Thanks Alex! Will come back to you on the mod, but right now its fun to just use the envelope follower
@@Hainbach Ah cool, yeah. I'll see what mine is like once it's done, it's in the queue.
I hadn't heard of the FK-1 before. Every day's a school day if you're willing to learn...
@@David_K_Booth Yep, Korg did five FK pedals.
The FK-2 (Mr Multi) is the other one I have. The only pedal I own with "double wah". It's like wah, but twice. 😀
@@AlexBallMusic That twin slider on the filter is so uniquely Korg.
so cool thanks
I Like this old drum machines
Thank you Hainbach 👋
i hope musik von harmonia is found by new generations bc of you!! one of the great kosmische albums! ohrwurm is an all-timer!
I just learned there is a reissue of “Musik von Harmonia” coming out - perfect timing for the video
@@Hainbach that's good, it should remain available. are you a fan of deluxe? never hooked me
Wow, just when I’m rediscovering krautrock again, HARMONIA, wow, what a dream, and Can and and and…. Makes me love this human experience 🤠
Love this video, thank you
Always wondering if Hainbach has his own power plant to power all of that equipment 😂
They don't take that much power - a dryer or a fridge consume way more
combinations between 4/4 and 3/4 rythms are super nice with this machines
Hauntology 😅😅 as Jacques Derrida explained ... The culture and economy of old gadgets worship, washed up from the past, here to haunt us about a time long gone...
Looking forward to a follow-up vid using cv
Yeah I need schematics to not damage anything
The drum loop in 6:38 reminded me so much of "Shame" by Young Fathers that I had to go check the song. It may have something of this machine, but heavily processed and layered. Great video as usual!
What a tremendous machine!
Cluster used a vibrato-pedal in on the elka, harmonia too.
I have a maestro rhythm king mark 1. Same model sly and the family stone used. Found in the trash in perfect working order
Lovely find!
@@Hainbach not to brag but it was next to a real 1965 Princeton reverb orig speaker and foot pedal which I got recapped and play to this day
It was in a rich suburban area of Boston. Was over 25 years ago
Harmonia is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I might have one of those plugs that goes in the Solo Rhythmer port in the back. I gotta check my attic...
Oh if you don't need it let me know - hainbach101 at gmail.com
@@Hainbach It's on its way. Actually, two of them and an extra (although damaged) socket.
OMG i had a Kenwood Amplifier from 1977 with a drum box option , exactly thoses sounds 8 + 8 drum sounds , bongo bossa nova conga etc etc etc i miss itt so much ...
PS : Easly tunable for exemple used it as a drum pad (like kraftwerk) ^^
You just doubled the resale price in the last 70 seconds of the video.
Are we there yet?... ;D
It sounds like it was used on the intro to JJ Cale's "They Call Me The Breeze".
The Space echo is a gem
~ 04.40 moves its sound from retro to contemporary tribe tekno / sprial tekno within turning a knob. nice.
06:20 - I have absolutely heard some of that on some krautrock album, fantastic!
woaaa amazing that this thing is still in working order.
Wow that thing packs a punch!
It was also used KMFDM on their "Symbols" tour in 1997.
Wow - I didn't expect the whole thing go industrial 😅😱
Heya! St.Elmo's Fire.
Asolut Wow, was da so an equipment rumsteht, die musik - noch "wower" ,superfroh das ich über deinen kanal gestolpert bin, erstmal rumhören und die gratis Plugins runterladen! Danke erstmal und bis bald, vielleicht ja auch in echt in Finkenbach obwoh wederl Guru Guru noch Conni&Manni am Start sind und im vergleich zu früher (1. mal '93) voll komerziell...
HAINBACH!!!!!! I Love those Drum sounds. I Love "Krautrock". I Love "Look Mum No Computer". I Love Hainbach's sweaters. So, of course I Love this Vid. Thanks Guys. Fun Fun Fun(or Fahren Fahern Fahern, if you prefer).
Or "fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n" ˘J˘
You got me at 3:31.🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
I never thought to see a Binni&Jahn sticker ever again in my life...
Pipe Dreams - a dream i like mucho much ;) ... just like your demo in this video, "fett", thank you, Hainbach! ... will we see you live/on festivals in the near future? ... if yes, I would like to make a wish ;)
Wow, that last little extra bit is a eureka moment, I'd love to see you trigger from external sources if you can make some kind of cable to make it easier so there's not so many pins close to each other on that socket
Consistently great videos. These type of machines are the mainstay of my favourite era of music proto and post punk self published electronica, Caberat Voltaire, The Normal, early industrial. Always happy to see a new one for me. I have too much old gear to usefully maintain. Instead I use field recordings and along with the inbuilt sounds, process in Audacity, then build repetitive early drum machine type percussive loops, for experimentation and performance. Possibly totally pointless but great fun. .......mmmmm. maybe I should get a life, but it does keep me sane, mostly.
Awesome video ☺♥♪
Suh dude! Incredible sounds! ✨✨✨✨✨
Thanks!
Harmonia!
I somehow feel it also "shaped" Brian Eno a tiny bit on his first two solo albums
it's totally the sound of another green world as well. (st Elmo's fire, in dark trees, somber reptiles - at least, probably more).
krautrock influenced bowie, iggy and eno heavily!
@@kelechi_77 I wouldn't say Eno's first two albums are influenced by Krautrock, don't forget British rock at that time was a super diverse scene and Krautrock was at the time under heavy British influence. 1976-1977, the time of Bowie's Low and "Heroes" is a different story.
How does it work? I guess lots of transistors making sequencer and oscillators and envelopes. Or does it have a tiny 16 cylinder ferrari engine inside?
Thanks Hainbach for everything that you bring and all those that you inspire
Did Harmonia run their drum machines through the Schulte Compact Phasing phaser like some other bands of the era? Would be interesting to hear that. Thanks Hainbach!
Yeah... a nice old crusty drum machine through a phaser is delightful.
Fav rhythm machine 😍
Very Cool
WHAT THE BLONDER TONGUE WOW
Whoa! I didn’t know that Korg made that VCF in a little desktop unit! I have a MiniKorg 700s and I adore the filters in it, and wish it had an external input so I could destroy other signals with it. I thought about having it modified to allow this, but perhaps I ought to just find one of these units.
They are very useful. Love the format, too.
Da muss aber jetzt das Folgevideo mit dem externen Triggerinput kommen!
Ja, ich suche noch Schematics dafür, und am besten den originalen Stecker. Sonst wird das fummelig. Ich will das Gerät nicht optisch verändern.
@@Hainbach Gibt es irgwo die Maße der Buchse mit dem Rasterabstand der Kontakte und welche Stecker wären idealierweise am anderen Ende des Kabels, um Steuersignale von modernem Equipment rüberzuschicken?
Could you modify this to make it play a Motorik drum beat? 😀
Yes, check the very end of the video! It can be triggered externally
5:33 You can even hear how it's producing a 50Hz tone from the mains
Reminds me of my Vermona er9. Great gear
That is such a cool sounding machine, one of my favs too
eine echolette drummachine, ja krass, wusste gar nicht, dass es so was gibt! (wenn auch nur ein re-brand) mein erster gitarrenamp 1982 war ein echolette. ich hab den noch im keller stehen. dieses rhythmus teil kingt echt interessant, weich und organisch + diese veränderungsmöglichkeiten on the fly waren nicht schlecht!
Organisch beschreibt es ganz gut. Im mix ist es einfach da, und Effekte greifen super.
I'd have loved to hear more results from the sequencer connection at the end. if im understanding correctly, you'd need a sequencer that can send different pulses for each drum (or a pile of sequencers) to get a full rhythm. perhaps there's a mod you could do on something you already have
Ok, until 5:00 I was like, "ok"... and then that bomb
Swear there is a drum sequence by Gorillaz that sounds like 6:05; so good. Good evidence that they implement a lot of dub processes into their production. Love it!
very dope!
Wow. Interesting
0:19 George Mccrae - Rock Your Baby. Year 1974
I hope this will be another AudioThing collaboration....
So wait, it reacts to CV? So if you, for example, use a piezzo mic, convert it's output to CV (or even connect it DIRECTLY???) to one of the out(and now also IN-puts) it will be able to be used as a live electric drum-head???😮 Or is it „just“ (awesome enough for sure) using the CV for sync? I'm wondering...😳
You can trigger it externally, yes! I need to get schematics to make sure everything is safe.
@@Hainbach WOW, incredible, SOOOO COOOL!!! Thank you so much for the info!❤🙏
@@Hainbach www.vintagesynthparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/DrummerOne_Schematics_1969.pdf
Thank you Wulfhard!
Obviously this machine was used on the KLUSTER albums too.
Such a cool sound! By the way you have the same TEAC reel to reel recorder I have :)
It’s a lovely thing isn’t it?
@@Hainbach Indeed!
There must have been some crazy cable that connected to that thing on the back or something? It would be handy to make something that fits it so you can have a patch bay of some sort.
That is the plan - would be wonderful to have this beyond the presets
5:04 next gig at the UG techno club!
Man, that's the one bad thing about watching this stuff.... now I want one 🤣 For now, I use either a keyboard or my iPad to run beats.
Oh, and I got the EP yesterday!!
Thank you, happy listening!
Dat snare
I feel like Gary Numan could have used this on “Cry the Clock Said”. Very cool
CR78
4:44 Wow!!!!
Doesn't the SH-2 have an external input? Couldn't you use the pulse signal from the Elka to trigger that?
Originally the triggering was not planned, it was just to get a better keybed for Sam to play. Turns out my Juno needs a bit of work one keyboard, too, so we came up with the triggering solution
It somehow reminds me the Minipops used by Jean-Michel Jarre.
Agree, similar sound, especially in the hats. But a bit different still.