Thank you so much for your love and dedication to God brother Yankee. You have truly helped a sister in Christ with your messages. This one especially. You are in my prayers with love.
I love the gospel. The good news is that I had nothing to do with my salvation, because if I did, I would certainly screw it up. God showed mercy in sending Jesus Christ to save me by grace through the gift of faith in His death. I have been credited with His perfect righteousness and He took upon Himself my sins. Sounds like I really hate the gospel, eh?
@@daric_ What does this have to do with being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world? I'm not a calvinist and I don't believe I am responsible for my salvation either. It's all Christ. The gospel and calvinism can't coexist. Why would the calvinist need the power of the gospel unto salvation if the calvinist was chosen for salvation without ever hearing the gospel?
There's nothing about anyone being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world in Ephesians or anywhere else in the Word of God. Salvation must be inserted into the text where it doesn't exist for this to be the case . Or like so many do... just change the definition of words to make scripture fit a doctrine as opposed to making a doctrine fit scripture. Which verses are you referring to?
+dave mac Your comment - "nobody can explain election period end of story put your faith in Chris Jesus !!" My comment - There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and election versus Calvinist "predestination" and "election." Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God. True Biblical PREDESTINATION takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved. 1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture. 2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect. 3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The true Biblical definition of ELECTION is that God elects/chooses those that are saved who willingly believed in the simple gospel of John 3:16 for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM. Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mark 16:15-16 - 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. The below are examples of God CHOOSING/ELECTING saved people for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM: 1) God CHOSE the Israelites, the Jewish nation to be His chosen people. The Jews are God's ELECT - Deut 7:6, 14:2, 1 Kings 3:8, Psalms 33:12, 106:5, Isaiah 43:10, 45:4, 65:9, 22 Matthew 24:22, 31 Mark 13:20, Luke 18:7, Romans 9:11, 11:28, 2 Tim 2:10, 1 Peter 2:4. 2) God CHOSE Jesus to be the chief cornerstone - 1 Peter 2:4, 6. God chose Jesus to be the Messiah - Isaiah 42:1-4, 49:7, Matt 12:18, Luke 9:35, 23:35, John 1:34, and was chosen to die on the cross for ALL mankind - Matt 12:18, 1 Peter 2:4. 3) Jesus CHOSE 12 men to be His disciples - Luke 6:13, John 6:70, John 13:18, John 15:16, 19, Acts 1:2. God CHOSE Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot - Acts 1:24-26. 4) Saul of Tarsus who became Paul was CHOSEN by Jesus to be the apostle to the Gentiles - Acts 9:15, 13:2, 22:14-15. 5) Simon Peter was CHOSEN by God to bring the gospel message to Cornelius and his family - Acts 10:1-48, Acts 15:7. Simon Peter was CHOSEN also to be the apostle to the Jews. 6) God CHOSE Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and to the Promised Land - Numbers 16:5-6. 7) God CHOSE Aaron and the tribe of Levi to be the priestly line - Numbers 17:5, 1 Sam 2:28, 2 Chronicles 29:1. God chose priests from the tribe of Levi to minister before Him in the temple and would be paid by the tithes of the people - Deut 18:5-8, 21:5, 1 Chronicles 15:2 8) God CHOSE Abraham - Nehemiah 9:7, God CHOSE Isaac and Jacob - Psalms 135:4, Isaiah 41:8, Ezekiel 20:5, and CHOSE Judah - 1 Chronicles 28:4, Psalms 78:67, to be in the line of Messiah. 9) God CHOSE David to replace King Saul and to be in the line of Messiah - 2 Samuel 6:21, 1 Kings 8:16, 1 Chronicles 28:4, 2 Chron 6:6, Psalms 89:3. 10) God CHOSE Solomon to be king after his father David - 1 Chronicles 29:1. 11) God CHOSE Mary and Joseph. Mary, the mother of Jesus - Luke 1:30, 42-45, 48. Joseph, the husband of Mary - Matthew 1:20. 12) God CHOSE Jerusalem to be His forever chosen city - Deut 15:20, Deut 16:2, 15, 1 Kings 8:44, 11:13, 14:21, 2 Kings 21:7, 23:27, 2 Chron 6:6, 34, 12:13, 33:7, Nehemiah 1:9, Psalms 132:13, Zechariah 3:2. 13) The Jewish Christians scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, were the CHOSEN sojourners whom Peter wrote to and addressed them as the "ELECT" - 1 Peter 1:2. Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation. When the Bible talks about being "chosen" or "elect" or "election", it is referring to individuals that have willingly believed the gospel of John 3:16 and are saved that are "chosen"/"elected" AFTER salvation for MINISTRY/ SERVICE/EVANGELISM.
@@wtom04 But the Bible tells us Pharaoh, Jesus, and Judas Iscariot were elected or chosen. When did Pharaoh believe on Christ for salvation? Jesus is God in the flesh, when did He need to be saved? Judas Iscariot was chosen by Jesus, but was "a devil:" when did he believe on Christ for salvation? Election is not salvation. The Bible gives examples of those who were elected and never saved, some who were saved, One who never needed to be saved, but all were chosen, or elected, for a particular service. "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:11-13 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." - Romans 9:17 You can say there's grace in these verses, but the scripture specifically says election is by God's mercy, and He also hardens whom He will. It's clear, election is not salvation, because salvation is by God's grace through faith in Christ. We see election is for some specific purpose that has nothing to do with personal salvation. Understanding election and salvation (what they are according to the scriptures) makes election clear, and the gospel clear, so there's no mixing of the two, as false teachers, false religions, and false gospels do. We must be careful to not contradict the Bible when we try to explain things.
@@bradholbrooks Election is to SERVICE and MINISTRY. Pharoah never believed on Christ, but God chose him so that He could demonstrate His power in all the earth. Exodus 9:16-17 - 16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth. 17 As yet exaltest thou thyself against my people, that thou wilt not let them go? Jesus was chosen to die for all mankind to redeem man, but this only applies to those who willingly believe on Him. God CHOSE Jesus to be the chief cornerstone - 1 Peter 2:4, 6. God chose Jesus to be the Messiah - Isaiah 42:1-4, 49:7, Matt 12:18, Luke 9:35, 23:35, John 1:34, and was chosen to die on the cross for ALL mankind - Matt 12:18, 1 Peter 2:4. Judas Iscariot was chosen along with the other 12 disciples for MINISTRY/EVANGELISM, but Judas chose not to believe on Christ despite the fact that he was with Christ for 3 years along with the other 12. Judas was a personal eyewitness to all of Jesus's great miracles and healings, but none of that produced any faith in him. Judas was more interested in $money$. John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? John 12:6 - This he said, NOT THAT HE CARED FOR THE POOR; BUT BECAUSE HE WAS A THIEF, and had the bag, AND BARE WHAT WAS PUT THEREIN.
@@bradholbrooks Pharoah's heart was ALREADY hardened to begin with as Scripture clearly indicates: In Exodus, there were 7 instances when Pharaoh HARDENED HIS OWN HEART apart from God's manipulations which indicates that Pharaoh had FREEWILL. Pharaoh was eternally condemned not because God hardened him, but because Pharaoh's heart was ALREADY HARDENED TO BEGIN WITH IN EXODUS 1:8-22. In Exodus, there were 7 instances when Pharaoh hardened his OWN HEART: 1) Exodus 1:8-22 - Pharaoh oppressed the Israelites with forced hard labor and then ordered the execution of all the male firstborn Israelites when he noticed the Israeli population growing in numbers and feared being outnumbered by them. 2) Exodus 7:13 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when he saw his own men duplicate what Aaron and Moses did. 3) Exodus 7:22 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart because his men duplicated again what Moses and Aaron did. 4) Exodus 8:15 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when there was relief from the frogs. 5) Exodus 8:32 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when the plague of flies was gone. 6) Exodus 9:7 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart after all the Egyptian livestock died, but all the Israeli livestock were unharmed. 7) Exodus 9:34 - Pharaoh and his officials hardened their own hearts after the plague of hail stopped. In the 7 INSTANCES when Pharaoh HARDENED HIS OWN HEART, this indicates that Pharaoh had freewill and acted independently apart from God's manipulations. Then in Exodus, there were 5 instances when GOD HARDENED PHARAOH'S HEART to demonstrate His power and to proclaim his name in all the earth: 1) Exodus 4:21 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart. 2) Exodus 9:12 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart. 3) Exodus 10:20 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart after the plague of locusts. 4) Exodus 10:27 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart after the plague of darkness. 5) Exodus 11:10 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that God's wonders will be multiplied in Egypt.
@@wtom04 You wrote above: "The true Biblical definition of ELECTION is that God elects/chooses those that are saved who willingly believed in the simple gospel of John 3:16 for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM." I wanted to point out that election is not salvation, and not all that are elected/chosen are saved. Salvation is only by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. May we all teach the true gospel clearly.
Election is about the promises made to Abraham and his seed-Christ. The only ones who are to be coheirs with Christ are those who are in Christ. There is no other name given under heaven where men may be saved other than the name of Jesus. The promises required perfection and imperfection required death. There is no perfection apart from the perfection that is imputed to us after having put on Christ through baptism. We with open face as in a mirror behold the image of Christ from glory to glory. Q. Who is looking into the glass (mirror?) A. "We"/us. Q. What should we see in a mirror? A. "We"/us. Q. Who do we see in the mirror? A. Christ. The Gospel was preached unto Abraham in the form of a promise...God said that in Abraham all nations shall be blessed. Not all Israel is Israel as pertains to the flesh, but the true Jew is of the faith of Abraham who believed in the promises and THESE ARE COUNTED FOR THE ELECT. Election IS about SALVATION because the promises REQUIRED SALVATION through the perfecting work of Christ IN ORDER to obtain them.
hshsshh , That's not election. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." - Romans 4:3 "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." - Galatians 3:6 "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God." - James 2:23 Election is not righteousness. What "election is about" doesn't explain what "election is." If you explain what election is, then you know what it is not. If election is about salvation, please explain Pharaoh's and Judas Iscariot's failure to believe on Christ for salvation. The Bible gives examples of those who were elected and never saved, some who were saved, One who never needed to be saved, but all were chosen, or elected, for a particular service. "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:11-13 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." - Romans 9:17 You can say there's grace in these verses, but the scripture specifically says election is by God's mercy, and He also hardens whom He will. It's clear, election is not salvation, because salvation is by God's grace through faith in Christ. We see election is for some specific purpose that has nothing to do with personal salvation. Understanding election and salvation (what they are according to the scriptures) makes election clear, and the gospel clear, so there's no mixing of the two, as false teachers, false religions, and false gospels do. We must be careful to not contradict the Bible when we try to explain things.
John Calvin did not get his version of "predestination/election" from the Bible, but he borrowed it from his idol, Augustine. His version of it is identical to Augustine's perversion of it. 1) ....."salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5. 2) "We call predestination God's eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, ETERNAL LIFE IS FORE-ORDAINED FOR SOME, ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR OTHERS." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5. 3) ..."we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into SALVATION, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to DESTRUCTION...he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, 4.16.
Josh Peterson+ "All of these MEN".....................It's interesting that you quote everything under the sun, written by philosophers and men - except the bible. Calvin begat Augustine, Augustine begat Athanasius, Athanasius begat Novation................sound familiar? These teaching were taught by Jesus himself? One contextual verse that supports this doctrine? Of course it's interpretive, philosophers and elitists have the salvation market cornered with their "wisdom" and "higher understanding" of God. You have an entire wall of books that says so right? I won't argue that these teachings have been around since the 1st century, I'll do you one better, these kinds of teachings have been around since the appearance of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Calvinism is no different than Islam.
+joeashbubemma Good comment. Yes, Calvinism is basically Augustinianism refined by a mere man, namely John Calvin who emulated and idolized Augustine. Augustine is the father of Roman Catholicism and Calvinism/Lordship Salvation. All 5 points of Calvinism's "tulip" can be found in the writings of Augustine in his heretical books entitled, "City of God". The Bible says in Revelation 17:5 that Roman Catholicism is the mother of prostitutes. Calvinism/Lordship Salvation are her prostitute daughters. One false doctrine breeds other false doctrines. Satan has a whole inventory of bogus "gospels" that he puts into different packages under different names appealing to people of all ages to steer them away from the true Biblical gospel of the Bible, which is John 3:16 in its simplicity. Josh Peterson is deeply entrenched in the false gospel of "John Calvin 3:16".
+Josh Peterson Your comment - "God exhaustively decreed everything, including sin:....." My comment - Calvinists will ALWAYS contradict themselves on the topic of whether God is the author of sin and evil. The below is DOUBLE TALK. 1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches THAT GOD IS NOT THE RESPONSIBLE AUTHOR OF EVIL, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14. 2) "GOD IS NEITHER THE AUTHOR OF SIN, NOR SANCTIONS IT (APPROVES IF IT). HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SIN, THOUGH HE DECREED IT. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991. 3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby NEITHER IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF SIN...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1 4) Westminster Confession of Faith, V. "Of Providence", Item# 4 bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN." 5) The London Confession of Faith, Chapter 5, Of Divine Providence, #4 - The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God, so far manifest themselves in his providence, that his determinate counsel extendeth itself even to the first fall, and all other sinful actions both of angels and men; and that not by a bare permission, which also he most wisely and powerfully boundeth, and otherwise ordereth and governeth, in a manifold dispensation to his most holy ends; yet so, as the sinfulness of their acts proceedeth only from the creatures, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the London Confession of Faith. 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history-whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)-come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ-is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism". 7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism". 8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986 Finally we have JOHN CALVIN: John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil. 1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5. 2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. 3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4. 4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.
Thank you so much for your love and dedication to God brother Yankee. You have truly helped a sister in Christ with your messages. This one especially. You are in my prayers with love.
I have peace after this.
Amen Brother!
Preach it Pastor Yankee! Truth right there!
Thank you Dr. Arnold.
Arguing with a Calvinist is worse than arguing with an atheist. At least an atheist admits he hates the gospel.
joeashbubemma I like this one🙏🏻
I love the gospel. The good news is that I had nothing to do with my salvation, because if I did, I would certainly screw it up. God showed mercy in sending Jesus Christ to save me by grace through the gift of faith in His death. I have been credited with His perfect righteousness and He took upon Himself my sins.
Sounds like I really hate the gospel, eh?
@@daric_
What does this have to do with being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world?
I'm not a calvinist and I don't believe I am responsible for my salvation either.
It's all Christ.
The gospel and calvinism can't coexist.
Why would the calvinist need the power of the gospel unto salvation if the calvinist was chosen for salvation without ever hearing the gospel?
this is a very good sermon and anyone who thinks different is clueless and don't know the gospel..
How do you explain Ephesians 1 and 2? Please, sharpen my sword.
There's nothing about anyone being chosen for salvation from before the foundation of the world in Ephesians or anywhere else in the Word of God.
Salvation must be inserted into the text where it doesn't exist for this to be the case .
Or like so many do... just change the definition of words to make scripture fit a doctrine as opposed to making a doctrine fit scripture.
Which verses are you referring to?
nobody can explain election period end of story put your faith in Chris Jesus !!
+dave mac Your comment - "nobody can explain election period end of story put your faith in Chris Jesus !!"
My comment - There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and election versus Calvinist "predestination" and "election." Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God.
True Biblical PREDESTINATION takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved.
1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture.
2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect.
3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.
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The true Biblical definition of ELECTION is that God elects/chooses those that are saved who willingly believed in the simple gospel of John 3:16 for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 16:15-16 - 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
The below are examples of God CHOOSING/ELECTING saved people for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM:
1) God CHOSE the Israelites, the Jewish nation to be His chosen people. The Jews are God's ELECT - Deut 7:6, 14:2, 1 Kings 3:8, Psalms 33:12, 106:5, Isaiah 43:10, 45:4, 65:9, 22 Matthew 24:22, 31 Mark 13:20, Luke 18:7, Romans 9:11, 11:28, 2 Tim 2:10, 1 Peter 2:4.
2) God CHOSE Jesus to be the chief cornerstone - 1 Peter 2:4, 6. God chose Jesus to be the Messiah - Isaiah 42:1-4, 49:7, Matt 12:18, Luke 9:35, 23:35, John 1:34, and was chosen to die on the cross for ALL mankind - Matt 12:18, 1 Peter 2:4.
3) Jesus CHOSE 12 men to be His disciples - Luke 6:13, John 6:70, John 13:18, John 15:16, 19, Acts 1:2. God CHOSE Matthias to replace
Judas Iscariot - Acts 1:24-26.
4) Saul of Tarsus who became Paul was CHOSEN by Jesus to be the apostle to the Gentiles - Acts 9:15, 13:2, 22:14-15.
5) Simon Peter was CHOSEN by God to bring the gospel message to Cornelius and his family - Acts 10:1-48, Acts 15:7. Simon Peter was CHOSEN also to be the apostle to the Jews.
6) God CHOSE Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and to the Promised Land - Numbers 16:5-6.
7) God CHOSE Aaron and the tribe of Levi to be the priestly line - Numbers 17:5, 1 Sam 2:28, 2 Chronicles 29:1. God chose priests from
the tribe of Levi to minister before Him in the temple and would be paid by the tithes of the people - Deut 18:5-8, 21:5, 1 Chronicles 15:2
8) God CHOSE Abraham - Nehemiah 9:7, God CHOSE Isaac and Jacob - Psalms 135:4, Isaiah 41:8, Ezekiel 20:5, and CHOSE Judah -
1 Chronicles 28:4, Psalms 78:67, to be in the line of Messiah.
9) God CHOSE David to replace King Saul and to be in the line of Messiah - 2 Samuel 6:21, 1 Kings 8:16, 1 Chronicles 28:4, 2 Chron 6:6, Psalms 89:3.
10) God CHOSE Solomon to be king after his father David - 1 Chronicles 29:1.
11) God CHOSE Mary and Joseph. Mary, the mother of Jesus - Luke 1:30, 42-45, 48. Joseph, the husband of Mary - Matthew 1:20.
12) God CHOSE Jerusalem to be His forever chosen city - Deut 15:20, Deut 16:2, 15, 1 Kings 8:44, 11:13, 14:21, 2 Kings 21:7, 23:27,
2 Chron 6:6, 34, 12:13, 33:7, Nehemiah 1:9, Psalms 132:13, Zechariah 3:2.
13) The Jewish Christians scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, were the CHOSEN sojourners whom Peter wrote to and addressed them as the "ELECT" - 1 Peter 1:2.
Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation. When the Bible talks about being "chosen" or "elect" or "election", it is referring to individuals that have willingly believed the gospel of John 3:16 and are saved that are "chosen"/"elected" AFTER salvation for MINISTRY/ SERVICE/EVANGELISM.
@@wtom04 But the Bible tells us Pharaoh, Jesus, and Judas Iscariot were elected or chosen. When did Pharaoh believe on Christ for salvation? Jesus is God in the flesh, when did He need to be saved? Judas Iscariot was chosen by Jesus, but was "a devil:" when did he believe on Christ for salvation? Election is not salvation.
The Bible gives examples of those who were elected and never saved, some who were saved, One who never needed to be saved, but all were chosen, or elected, for a particular service.
"(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:11-13
"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." - Romans 9:17
You can say there's grace in these verses, but the scripture specifically says election is by God's mercy, and He also hardens whom He will. It's clear, election is not salvation, because salvation is by God's grace through faith in Christ. We see election is for some specific purpose that has nothing to do with personal salvation. Understanding election and salvation (what they are according to the scriptures) makes election clear, and the gospel clear, so there's no mixing of the two, as false teachers, false religions, and false gospels do.
We must be careful to not contradict the Bible when we try to explain things.
@@bradholbrooks Election is to SERVICE and MINISTRY. Pharoah never believed on Christ, but God chose him so that He could demonstrate His power in all the earth.
Exodus 9:16-17 - 16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
17 As yet exaltest thou thyself against my people, that thou wilt not let them go?
Jesus was chosen to die for all mankind to redeem man, but this only applies to those who willingly believe on Him. God CHOSE Jesus to be the chief cornerstone - 1 Peter 2:4, 6. God chose Jesus to be the Messiah - Isaiah 42:1-4, 49:7, Matt 12:18, Luke 9:35, 23:35, John 1:34, and was chosen to die on the cross for ALL mankind - Matt 12:18, 1 Peter 2:4.
Judas Iscariot was chosen along with the other 12 disciples for MINISTRY/EVANGELISM, but Judas chose not to believe on Christ despite the fact that he was with Christ for 3 years along with the other 12. Judas was a personal eyewitness to all of Jesus's great miracles and healings, but none of that produced any faith in him. Judas was more interested in $money$.
John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
John 12:6 - This he said, NOT THAT HE CARED FOR THE POOR; BUT BECAUSE HE WAS A THIEF, and had the bag, AND BARE WHAT WAS PUT THEREIN.
@@bradholbrooks Pharoah's heart was ALREADY hardened to begin with as Scripture clearly indicates:
In Exodus, there were 7 instances when Pharaoh HARDENED HIS OWN HEART apart from God's manipulations which indicates that Pharaoh had FREEWILL. Pharaoh was eternally condemned not because God hardened him, but because Pharaoh's heart was ALREADY HARDENED TO BEGIN WITH IN EXODUS 1:8-22.
In Exodus, there were 7 instances when Pharaoh hardened his OWN HEART:
1) Exodus 1:8-22 - Pharaoh oppressed the Israelites with forced hard labor and then ordered the execution of all the male firstborn Israelites when he noticed the Israeli population growing in numbers and feared being outnumbered by them.
2) Exodus 7:13 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when he saw his own men duplicate what Aaron and Moses did.
3) Exodus 7:22 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart because his men duplicated again what Moses and Aaron did.
4) Exodus 8:15 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when there was relief from the frogs.
5) Exodus 8:32 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart when the plague of flies was gone.
6) Exodus 9:7 - Pharaoh hardened his own heart after all the Egyptian livestock died, but all the Israeli livestock were unharmed.
7) Exodus 9:34 - Pharaoh and his officials hardened their own hearts after the plague of hail stopped.
In the 7 INSTANCES when Pharaoh HARDENED HIS OWN HEART, this indicates that Pharaoh had freewill and acted independently apart from God's manipulations.
Then in Exodus, there were 5 instances when GOD HARDENED PHARAOH'S HEART to demonstrate His power and to proclaim his name in all the earth:
1) Exodus 4:21 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart.
2) Exodus 9:12 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart.
3) Exodus 10:20 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart after the plague of locusts.
4) Exodus 10:27 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart after the plague of darkness.
5) Exodus 11:10 - God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that God's wonders will be multiplied in
Egypt.
@@wtom04 You wrote above: "The true Biblical definition of ELECTION is that God elects/chooses those that are saved who willingly believed in the simple gospel of John 3:16 for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM."
I wanted to point out that election is not salvation, and not all that are elected/chosen are saved. Salvation is only by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. May we all teach the true gospel clearly.
Election is about the promises made to Abraham and his seed-Christ. The only ones who are to be coheirs with Christ are those who are in Christ. There is no other name given under heaven where men may be saved other than the name of Jesus.
The promises required perfection and imperfection required death. There is no perfection apart from the perfection that is imputed to us after having put on Christ through baptism. We with open face as in a mirror behold the image of Christ from glory to glory.
Q. Who is looking into the glass (mirror?)
A. "We"/us.
Q. What should we see in a mirror?
A. "We"/us.
Q. Who do we see in the mirror?
A. Christ.
The Gospel was preached unto Abraham in the form of a promise...God said that in Abraham all nations shall be blessed.
Not all Israel is Israel as pertains to the flesh, but the true Jew is of the faith of Abraham who believed in the promises and THESE ARE COUNTED FOR THE ELECT.
Election IS about SALVATION because the promises REQUIRED SALVATION through the perfecting work of Christ IN ORDER to obtain them.
Amen brother!
That is what he was on about
hshsshh
, That's not election. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." - Romans 4:3
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." - Galatians 3:6
"And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God." - James 2:23
Election is not righteousness. What "election is about" doesn't explain what "election is." If you explain what election is, then you know what it is not. If election is about salvation, please explain Pharaoh's and Judas Iscariot's failure to believe on Christ for salvation. The Bible gives examples of those who were elected and never saved, some who were saved, One who never needed to be saved, but all were chosen, or elected, for a particular service.
"(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:11-13
"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." - Romans 9:17
You can say there's grace in these verses, but the scripture specifically says election is by God's mercy, and He also hardens whom He will. It's clear, election is not salvation, because salvation is by God's grace through faith in Christ. We see election is for some specific purpose that has nothing to do with personal salvation. Understanding election and salvation (what they are according to the scriptures) makes election clear, and the gospel clear, so there's no mixing of the two, as false teachers, false religions, and false gospels do.
We must be careful to not contradict the Bible when we try to explain things.
John Calvin did not get his version of "predestination/election" from the Bible, but he borrowed it from his idol, Augustine. His version of it is identical to Augustine's perversion of it.
1) ....."salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5.
2) "We call predestination God's eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, ETERNAL LIFE IS FORE-ORDAINED FOR SOME, ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR OTHERS." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion - Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5.
3) ..."we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into SALVATION, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to DESTRUCTION...he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7.
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"That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, 4.16.
Josh Peterson+ "All of these MEN".....................It's interesting that you quote everything under the sun, written by philosophers and men - except the bible.
Calvin begat Augustine, Augustine begat Athanasius, Athanasius begat Novation................sound familiar? These teaching were taught by Jesus himself? One contextual verse that supports this doctrine? Of course it's interpretive, philosophers and elitists have the salvation market cornered with their "wisdom" and "higher understanding" of God. You have an entire wall of books that says so right?
I won't argue that these teachings have been around since the 1st century, I'll do you one better, these kinds of teachings have been around since the appearance of the serpent in the Garden of Eden.
Calvinism is no different than Islam.
+joeashbubemma Good comment. Yes, Calvinism is basically Augustinianism refined by a mere man, namely John Calvin who emulated and idolized Augustine. Augustine is the father of Roman Catholicism and Calvinism/Lordship Salvation. All 5 points of Calvinism's "tulip" can be found in the writings of Augustine in his heretical books entitled, "City of God".
The Bible says in Revelation 17:5 that Roman Catholicism is the mother of prostitutes. Calvinism/Lordship Salvation are her prostitute daughters. One false doctrine breeds other false doctrines. Satan has a whole inventory of bogus "gospels" that he puts into different packages under different names appealing to people of all ages to steer them away from the true Biblical gospel of the Bible, which is John 3:16 in its simplicity.
Josh Peterson is deeply entrenched in the false gospel of "John Calvin 3:16".
+Josh Peterson Your comment - "God exhaustively decreed everything, including sin:....."
My comment - Calvinists will ALWAYS contradict themselves on the topic of whether God is the author of sin and evil. The below is DOUBLE TALK.
1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches THAT GOD IS NOT THE RESPONSIBLE AUTHOR OF EVIL, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14.
2) "GOD IS NEITHER THE AUTHOR OF SIN, NOR SANCTIONS IT (APPROVES IF IT). HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SIN, THOUGH HE DECREED IT. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991.
3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby NEITHER IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF SIN...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1
4) Westminster Confession of Faith, V. "Of Providence", Item# 4 bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN."
5) The London Confession of Faith, Chapter 5, Of Divine Providence, #4 - The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God, so far manifest themselves in his providence, that his determinate counsel extendeth itself even to the first fall, and all other sinful actions both of angels and men; and that not by a bare permission, which also he most wisely and powerfully boundeth, and otherwise ordereth and governeth, in a manifold dispensation to his most holy ends; yet so, as the sinfulness of their acts proceedeth only from the creatures, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN."
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BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the London Confession of Faith.
1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234
2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88.
3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961).
4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249
5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82
6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history-whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)-come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ-is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism".
7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism".
8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986.
9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965.
10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986
Finally we have JOHN CALVIN:
John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil.
1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5.
2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11.
3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4.
4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.
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The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.
+Josh Peterson Calvinism and Islam are basically the same thing, but packaged a little differently under different names.
i fell for this elect teaaching. if thats the case why try and why tell ppl about the gospel.
Gospel=good news
Many are called but few have chosen me..this is what rest of scripture says.prison preacher
Hey why did you say prison preacher. What is that supposed to mean?
Calvinism is a curse