If you don't like Tone, you aren't playing her correctly. She's a great ship when played correctly. I love my Tone. I also got very very lucky and got Chikuma II a couple events ago. She's a bit better than Tone but still a blast to play when you do it right.
@@andreascj73 To be fair Tone is still good even when played averagely as well, she's not that much worse than Atago in terms of DPM, has better turret angles, and has planes and better concealment to fall back on when she needs to heal. She's an overall solid cruiser that I would argue is better than Atago. Though by this point in the game that's not a high bar. Sorry Atago lovers, but she's just not special anymore.
Honestly, despite what her name may imply, Congress is actually useful, mostly where limited MM is a thing, slightly worse guns, but the same armor as Alaska, but a tier lower, making the armor better due the higher likely hood of facing a 381 or smaller armed BB. I really liked her in ops, and while now this has somewhat changed with this update, she still acts more like my T8 Pensi in ops, especially Killer Whale, where none of the BBs overmatch her (like Pensi was back in the old, T6 version of the op)
I actually liked the I-56 before the nerfs. Now, since it's so slow and everyone has ASW, the 3km nerf makes it way too easy to just run down. You had to play it like a slow torp DD with great concealment. With single fire it can pump out a torp every 6 seconds. It still has the highest torp DPM in the game and since it's torps are all front fired and you don't have to spin around to get your other torps off it's even higher in actual usable DPM. It's DPM is almost 50% higher than the Gato but that's assuming you are firing front and back both out of the Gato. It also has individual loaders, so you don't have to fire off 3 torps before it starts reloading. It's turning is hideously slow and its underwater speed is even worse. As far as the speed being realistic underwater. A battleship takes in excess of an hour to get to full speed from a dead stop. So realistic speeds are thrown out the window to make the game playable as you know. Sadly, I wish when they nerf a premium to death that you could sell it back to the armory for the price you paid for it (steel, coal, doubloons). It's always struck me as odd how one ship is considered OP so they nerf it to death and others they just don't make available anymore creating an uneven playing field. Great video like always SLM.
It depends what you'll use the ships for. While Congress and Collingwood aren't the strongest in Random battles, both work in other gamemodes such as Ranked/Brawls.
@@faynk.6247lmao bruh im winning games in ranked with colingwood and its better then nelson due to reload booster and the reload being better. Also has hydro. You just stay away from bbs that overmatch and he spam u dont brawl with colingwood. Even nelson dies fast af if u brawl
The planes on the Tone weren't designed for combat. They were designed to search out enemy ships for the carriers to attack. The main reason the Japanese were so late in finding the US at Midway was one of the search planes from Tone had problems launching and the US fleet just happened to be in the area it was supposed to search.
Another 'actually post', the planes on Tone in game are the M6A2 Seiran designed for the I-400 submarines and were designed to carry bombs (or a torpedo) so they were attack aircraft. Historically the Tone carried the E13A 'Jake' which were just scout aircraft. The Tone could have carried the F1M 'Pete' also but didn't as they were not scout aircraft but more gun spotters. The Tone is a difficult fit in the game. Like the USS Halford it's mission fit conflicts. DDs, and many cruisers, need to be closer to the action so the possibility of getting spotted and blaped while using the planes is much higher than the BB based hybrids. WG making the load time of three minutes make the planes hard to use and discourages their use. (it would be better if the planes were ready to go at spawn instead of waiting to load, (same for all torps) WG probably made the load time long to discourage their use and the planes are just a gimmick.) I like playing the Tone, in CoOp, as there is always something to do with it. Like other IJN CAs the guns are good and so are the torps. The plane's battle power is rather poor but the spotting near the end of the match is useful. But that may change if WG nerfs aircraft spotting as posted. The Tone, Maya and Kitakami are possible more sales gimmicks for the historical crowd without great in game features. Like the Maya was modified to be better at swatting planes but WG could not actually let it hurt the fun police. The same will probably be true for the HMS Rodney when it ever enters the game.
Not sure I agree on Congress, I can think of MANY other even just T8 premium cruisers I would put there over it. It's a solid battlecruiser that can never meet superships. Decent 10km radar, lots of HP and a heal at T8, sure you only have 7 guns, but they are still the same AP shells Alaska gets, they still have improved pen angles, they still devastate other cruisers, only with Congress, ~40% of the ships you meet will be T6/7. As for a ship that's more worthy of being avoided? You don't even have to look far, Witchita. She's flat out worse than Baltimore. You have to pay money to lose 1km of radar range, trade your heavy AP for standard AP, and not really gain anything. Oklahoma... I got her for free and I still feel ripped off. The 38 second reload paired with AP that would be right at home on a T3. The secondaries being okay but still worse when compared to even other secondary ships of her tier. She's just bad, and honestly I can't think of a ship that's worse than her. The only benefit I can see is she's free. I can't agree the Tone is bad ether. She's got amazing concealment the same 16 second reload on her 8 guns as Atago has on her 10 guns, but while also having more tools for dealing with situations. Sure her torpedo bombers are a bit weak, and do take a while to recover, but it's still a nice thing to have on a T8 cruiser. All 8 guns being on the front of the ship also allows you to get your entire firepower while poking just your nose around an island and staying undetected. You also only need to give 26-ish degrees of angle to fire your guns off the rear of your ship. Atago for example has to give 35 degrees. Ironically, I'd say to avoid the Atago, sure you have a heal, but aside from that you are basically just a Myoko a tier higher. You have no extra tools other than the heal, you have the same reload as the Myoko, and you would be far better off just getting Mogami and slapping her 203s on her if you really want a pure gun IJN CA. I will always disagree with the notion that Atago is somehow this amazing ship, all because she has a heal. We have PLENTY of other T8 cruisers with a heal at this point. Atago isn't special anymore. We have Pyotr Bagration, same HE DPM as Atago, far better AP, better armour. We have Congress has a heal far more HP, less HE DPM sure, but FAR better AP. We have San Diego FAR higher DPM, basically the same concealment and even more team utility by being a decent AA platform. Then we start getting to tech tree ships like Cataluna, Cherbourg, and Haarlem. I'm sure I missed some as well. Atago is nothing special, was always a slight downgrade over 203mm Mogami, was always a fairly big downgrade over 155mm Mogami. Atago is the ship I would avoid. I don't have the other two so can't really say ether way. Though Collingwood seems fine, and performs VERY well stats wise. So I'm not sure why it should be avoided? Improved heal, hydro, reload booster that gives her a 13 second reload on what is effectively 6 Duncan guns 2 tiers lower. Yeah not seeing why she's bad? Also you say she's inaccurate... of 7 salvos you landed 19 shells, with two of those salvos being poorly aimed, only full out missing because of bad aim. So taking every salvo into account you had a 45% hit rate. Taking the full miss out, you had a 52.7% hit rate. The average BB accuracy in game is 33%. You were landing shells above the average, your brain was just making you THINK you were missing a lot because you only had 6 shells to begin with, Collingwood has a 2.0 sigma, she's far from inaccurate.
Oklahoma is what you get when you name the ship after a capsized, non-recoverable battleship instead of the only battleship to get underway and make an effort to exit the harbor, Nevada.
Congres Is a good ship, very tanky with Amazing guns and other stuff. I had already got Alaska long time before getting congres, so It doesn't mean that if you play congres Is because you dream to have Alaska.
Have to agree with a lot of the posts here re Congress & Collingwood. Congress is a mini-Alaska and a fav of mine, it works even in randoms although if up-tiered it needs some care. Collingwood also works & it's guns aren't the same as Nelson, they're 419's (16.5") not the 406's of Nelson.
Hopping into my T-11 BB Maine feels the same way as in BB Oklahoma, Your right!, Those looong Reloads. WoWS Please Buff the Oklahoma it needs it. great vid Mountbatten, take care. ty!.
Collingwood? lol The one leads the statistics for performance in a lot of categories? You have to play it carefuly shure but in t7 exclusive formats its a beast.
Overall Tone is alright at T8. Those planes are too weak and slow reloading to be much of a threat and the ship gives up a lot of dpm and survivability Vs Atago and Mogami. I like it, but it's not particularly amazing. Chikuma on the other hand is a monster in the right hands.
Oklahoma was worth all of the effort that it took me to get her, but only because fulfilling the mission chain required no effort. Admittedly, the only value I get from the Oklahoma is the two freebies a year for a tier V vessel in my port. In the bad old days when you had to play each ship to get each reward, playing the Oklahoma in a co-op match was not so bad that I would not claim the reward.
She's a solid ship, it's effectively 6 T9 guns with a reload booster at T7. She's literally in the top 3 for average damage at T7 with her average damage matching some of the best T8 BBs. I'm not sure what Sealord is on to say she should be avoided?
Nonsense to see Congress here. It got Alaska armor with less dpm on lower tier, where these guns are are more effective due to lower armor. Its same good as Alaska tier for tier
Love the Tone for spotting and having all guns in front...if you're not 50% around the island you can stealth shoot...if something is in range to be fair ^^ +8,8 stealth and repair!!! Even without the planes it is better than Atago and Mogami
I've had excellent games in the Congress and Collingwood. I even sent you a 200k Collingwood replay a while back. Congress always surprises novice battleship players and destroyers. Collingwood has massive guns that are accurate with AP that shreds other battleships and cruisers. You just can't get caught overextended just like the Nelson. I'd say the Yukon is considerably worse than either of these because of the horrid gun range.
I think I agree with some on this list except for Congress. Congress is good enough that even a medicore player can at least contribute to the team by tanking, fire at enemy cruisers and radar the enemy dd. Tone is pretty much useless if the player just rely on the planes. Most Tone players rarely use their guns and prefer to stay dark.
I'll have to put in my support for the congress, although "bootleg alaska" is definitely the most apt description of her. Tone on the other hand is better than you think, but she's very tricky to play, and you have to build into her planes and torps to make them count. Also, due to her gun layout, her dispersion is unbelievable. Finally, Collingwood. Oh, wow. I truly looked through every t7 battleship I could find to see if one could be worse than her, and I'm still searching. Even California and Poltava are somehow better. Her guns have truly abysmal accuracy, and have simply too much armor pen for her tier. So you barely hit anything, and most hits overpen. Lovely. Then, her armor. Gigantic citadel, and absolutely no external plating whatsoever. She is basically a pinata for 380mm guns. The sad part, is that the other parts are decent if not good. Collingwood has an amazing 75% pen repair, same as the Conqueror line (Nelson/Rodney are 60%). She also gets a hydro, a rarity for non-brawling BBs. Plus, her gun layout is very nice for a slow ship, with even better 20 degree gun angles. Too bad you have no armor to bow tank, and can't hit anything even if you try.
Those low tier BBs with high reload times are better to single fire the guns IMO. You seem to get better dispersion and, by the time you do 5 turrets worth of shots, your first turret is loaded again.
I have Alaska and Congress...I can't remember how I ended up with Congress, but it isn't bad as Sea Lord said...but situational for sure. Alaska OTOH, is sweet! I do like Agincourt. I'd definitely go with Atago over Tone. I have really dabbled in subs yet...I should put some time in on those to better grasp how they work. Not big on the UK battleships...
I have three out of five (Oklahoma, Tone and Collingwood). Both Tone and Coll were gotten through supercontainers and Oklahoma through the Always Courageous collection, so don't you judge me. Judge the RNG.
Bad take on Tone. Having all four guns in the front is a blessing, as it allows it to play around islands extremely effectively, and you can stay angled without losing essentially any firepower. The torpedo bombers give it a ton of utility in mid-game scouting and have a good enough spread to take out stragglers. Pretty much every negative you listed about it is a result of playing the ship wrong. (Why would you try to kite with it? Or anything like it?) Same bad take on the I-56. It's a cruiser-sub, not a normal sub. You're supposed to play it like a destroyer, not a sub. You should be crapping out your excellent unguided torps at long ranges, where you can shotgun spam them for maximum damage. If you try to play it like a Cachalot, Salmon, or other traditional sub, you're going to fail because it's not meant to play like that. Watching the video of you deck-gun fighting with it was just painful. Skill issue.
my list is Oklahoma California Brandenburg Anhalt and Shornberg (something like that tier 6 german dd) and Z-38 with 6km torps that one (tier 8 german DD) Tiger 59, Orkan
I like my Tone. It would be nice if WG would it would be nice if WG would have scout planes scalp and then the Tone would be awesome. Having to choose to use your bombers as scouts for carriers but also fix a lot of the CV problems
Funny enough, Collingwood was my first ever premium ship, I got it from some container featuring British ships. (Don't remember the event.) And OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK-lahoma... Wasn't worth the coal for the containers, but she _has_ grown on me a bit.
Hey sealord. I played another game with you today. You were in libertad. You were on enemy team this time tho. It was like my 2nd game ever playing shima. I did pretty good and unfortunately your team didnt fare too well. I saw you trying tho.
Don't waste the coal on the containers. You can get any number of better premium ships for the amount you spend on them. -One who bought the containers.
I do not think Collingwood is a lemon, those guns hit very hard, it's not really slow, armour is not amazing, but ship is way better than Americans bar Florida, which has speed.
@@Joshua-fi4ji Adding more Wichita, West Virginia 41, Yahagi, Tokachi, Tsurugi, Mikoyan, Leipzig, De Grasse, Sun Yat-Sen, and Wujing are the others I can easily think of.
The all-time worst premium - was THE most expensive. You had to surrender all your premium days and all your doubloons and all your coal, all your steel and all your research points to get a Kitakami which is a sorry POS. How would you feel if you paid for a Lamborghini and got a Yugo?
Well, i disagree except for Oklahoma. Really bad ship, very situative. Congress: got her for the tier 8 clan battles a few years ago, and even not a good player on most cruisers, i performed very well with Congress. Opponent cruiser with a little too much broadside? Eat American Piercing! I devstriked a few 100 % healthy cruisers with just her front turrets. She performed not so well in the 3 randoms i played with her, but was a blast in that clan battles. In the randoms, i was just close to a cap, giving radar and hydro support and this was enough to keep the DD`s away from it. So a cheap cap for my team, but not much damage. All 3 randoms were wins. Oklahoma: yes, that`s a hard to play ship, but in some situations she could shine. In my 2 battles with her, i never got into such a situation. Slow speed and inaccurate guns makes playing her a pain in the a..... well you know. Tone: don`t have it, but a buddy plays and loves this cruiser. He performs well with it in our divisions. I-56: needs more dive capacity, then she could be a good submarine. Her unguided torpedos are very dangerous! Collingwood: only played her in asymmetric battles, and it was funny to nearly devstrike some tier 5 and 6 BB`s. She has good accuracy and a very good punch. Better than Nelson in my opinion, with only little disadvantages. Really forgot to play her in some randoms, shame on me! Do you remember your very first premium ship you purchased? Mine was Imperator Nikolai I, the soviet BB at tier 4. It looks so ugly that you can call it beautiful. She has the biggest guns at tier 4, but only some peashooters as AA. Tried a battle with her a few days ago, but after firing 2 salvos i got torped by a Kamikaze R. Map Big Race, so the destroyer was too fast close to this ugly gun platform with 36 seconds reload on her 305 mm guns. In her better days, i was able to score 160K damage with her in one battle, sinking 5 ships. She was removed quickly because "OP" with her guns. As i purchased her, i was just fascinated from her look, a gun platform with only the most needed superstructure, not more. Now she needs a buff, more accuracy or better reload time.
I got Collingwood from last year's Mega Santa Crates. I cannot tell you how freaking disappointed I was that I got that garbage instead of a Nelson. And further back I got Oklahoma. They're both just awful ships, utterly miserable to play.
I know the shortcomings of the congress and I do agree, but she is likely the next premium I buy because I want the alaska and cant have it XD. It suffers from the curse of t8: it doesnt belong in t9+ games... well it can probably handle t9s but absolutely NO t8 ship has any right being in a t10 game. Wargaming literally just needs to make MM +/-1 because the same can be said for a t7 in a t9 game. At least as you get lower the gap doesnt feel as bad, like a 6 vs and 8 doesnt feel as bad as a 7 vs a 9 or an 8 vs a 10.
Got mine for FREE 2. Love IT, can't really see why IT should be worse than agincourt. Both r slow dreadnoughts with slow reload. Agincourt has more guns but IT has literally no AA and is as long & thinly belted as Tiger 13, the tech tree battlecruiser. OK reminds me of warspite, being compact and pugnacious. Secs might be a bit worse, but u can dodge torps & IT has some AA. Love the camo 2
Ugh ... 70+ super containers from 9th Anniversary event, Ship i got Collingwood. Remember when it used to be a 17 super containers and then ship pity drop something.. They've totally bricked the economy with early access and tech tree ship give away's as high at T8 in various other rewards. So now thats a lot of economy not being spent to go through the grinds including paying to do so. Signals buffs etc.. Quick cash makes the books look good weegee staff as it exceeds earnings quota for $ now, then they get a bonus or whatever... But players are paying the price with utterly scuffed economy leading to a inflation of containers troll drops such as less popular signals and an abundance of grey buffs for xp credits etc... now thats a clip in its own right.
I still haven't got a ship :( I am getting close to a guaranteed drop tho. Hopefully I don't get another tier 6 or 7. I keep getting those anytime I get a free container ship. I guess the Arizona I recently got is cool for historical reasons but I don't really like battle ships
@@clmwrx Well weegee has weird mechanics . Evident across many events and container drop based events and so called rng. Including the rather well known makarov drop one, where everyone got one. In a Snowflake event / similar to anniversary. Now on top of all this There is a mechanic where Weegee may release a % of prizes = ships in the event. BUT Not all of them at once Indeed there has been some events of some 3 weeks in duration, where the Ships were not dropping for the player base in the first week, very few accounts at all. Blah blah to summarise all the goings on, weegee hadn't put all the ships into the pool to drop. Thus people are spending on containers thinking they have a fair RNG shot at a drop, but the ships aren't even in the pool to be gotten!! So you think next container, no no next container woo new event! But nope weegee is revenue gathering without the ships in the pool and the player base has absolutely no way of knowing about this, or when its ships released to be part of the drops. The only way is to keep an eye in chat and see what other players are saying, have they gotten a ship, once people start to say well i got this and that and not nope haven't got one yet, that's your best guide that the ships released into the prize pool. As bizarre and nope it cant be like this, i will remind any long term player that it is weegee with one of the most predatory economy and container drop rates up there with the worst mobile games and other pc games in all of gaming history.
Couldn't help but notice that Constellation wasn't on this list. This is coming from someone who purchased her about 24 hours ago lol, if anyone has any tips on how to use her, that would be awesome
@@Subbias2024 that is the very reason I dislike her, those 32mm sides on the proper Nelsons make them fairly tanky, especially with the main battery being almost perfect for teaching you how to angle,
I have only Oklahoma and Collingwoodvfrom this list but agreed, they are not good to buy. Oklahoma is common US low tier speed (maybe 20 knots) you trying to get into secondaries range. Collingwood 6guns they are 419mm (Conqueror caliber) with 26s reload(i guess) +reload booster. The ship is fully plated 26mm armor. I had single good match with it (sailed for Anniversary rewards only) but it is in my list of avoided ships. I would personally not go for Rodney (if not you after worse Nelson). It was in some bundles, seems FOMO, also very low chance to get from D Day event free containers. It has even less alpha dmg both on HE and AP vs Nelson - 950less HE and 1200 less AP (10800 AP alpha 16 inch/406mm guns is terrible). The ship is even 0.2knot slower than slow Nelson to get speed booster. Torps look terryfying (St Vincent 29K torps) but try get it into effective range.
I loved the recent trade in event. I wad able to trade agir for kidd. The event was good if you were ok with getting a ship a tier lower than what you trade in. I hated agir. Kidd is amazing and I'm a beast in it so far with unicum stats atm. Could change as I think I only have like 47 games in the ship
Tone is not Takao’s Hull. It is basically the same concept design of Mogami Class and the hull were as close as Ibuki Class. Oh? I heard I-56 is being bad? Man, I hope WeeGee not decided to give Shima Torps on Subs in the I-400. Or they are just doing the classic hate on IJN ships because WeeGee is russki (not anymore but still are) being salty about Battle of Tsushima
Completely disagree at colingwood is better then rodney and nelson. The turret angles are awesome the reload booster kills any ship when used right also has hydro so does way better at ranked and competitive.
I have Collingwood find it quite decent and Tone not so much but it is OK. For me the worst is the t9 German dd think it was for coal awful boat. Z ?? I can't recall lol
If wargaming made it so that premiums can be used to research ships in their national trees I might consider getting them. But otherwise its just a credit printing gimmick and none of the ships below T10 have bonuses large enough to be useful for that purpose.
Premium ships get you more free xp which can be used on any ships. Premiums are good for training commanders and don't require commander retraining to use commander on them.
Tier 10 premiums aren't true premiums either. Tier 9 have the best economy. Tier 8 premiums are still great for credits and rewards. Especially if you play well against higher Tier ships.
I got Collingwood from a Christmas container, played a few battles in the Collingwood, immediately sold her. That’s how bad the Collingwood is. Also, I don’t think you can buy the Oklahoma right now
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If you don't like Tone, you aren't playing her correctly. She's a great ship when played correctly. I love my Tone. I also got very very lucky and got Chikuma II a couple events ago. She's a bit better than Tone but still a blast to play when you do it right.
All ships are great ships when played correctly ... with very few exceptions. However, a great ship should be great even if played mediocrely.
@@andreascj73 oh my gosh New Mexico how did you get into this conversation? (I know she's not awful but in my mind she is)
@@billcipher8942 But if played correctly ...
@@andreascj73 what's the right way to play her? She's ass at long ranges, has shit secondaries, awful speed, shit AA
This is why I like brawlers lol
@@andreascj73 To be fair Tone is still good even when played averagely as well, she's not that much worse than Atago in terms of DPM, has better turret angles, and has planes and better concealment to fall back on when she needs to heal. She's an overall solid cruiser that I would argue is better than Atago. Though by this point in the game that's not a high bar. Sorry Atago lovers, but she's just not special anymore.
Honestly, despite what her name may imply, Congress is actually useful, mostly where limited MM is a thing, slightly worse guns, but the same armor as Alaska, but a tier lower, making the armor better due the higher likely hood of facing a 381 or smaller armed BB. I really liked her in ops, and while now this has somewhat changed with this update, she still acts more like my T8 Pensi in ops, especially Killer Whale, where none of the BBs overmatch her (like Pensi was back in the old, T6 version of the op)
I'm surprised the Tiger '59 is not on this list
Was on the previous premium ship list
I got Tone in a Santa crate. She is useful when there are "Get X torp hits in a cruiser". The plane's torps do count towards the mission.
Collingwood rocks. I've cit tier IX's and had plenty of plus 100k games. Tone is great also.
I actually liked the I-56 before the nerfs. Now, since it's so slow and everyone has ASW, the 3km nerf makes it way too easy to just run down. You had to play it like a slow torp DD with great concealment. With single fire it can pump out a torp every 6 seconds. It still has the highest torp DPM in the game and since it's torps are all front fired and you don't have to spin around to get your other torps off it's even higher in actual usable DPM. It's DPM is almost 50% higher than the Gato but that's assuming you are firing front and back both out of the Gato. It also has individual loaders, so you don't have to fire off 3 torps before it starts reloading. It's turning is hideously slow and its underwater speed is even worse. As far as the speed being realistic underwater. A battleship takes in excess of an hour to get to full speed from a dead stop. So realistic speeds are thrown out the window to make the game playable as you know. Sadly, I wish when they nerf a premium to death that you could sell it back to the armory for the price you paid for it (steel, coal, doubloons). It's always struck me as odd how one ship is considered OP so they nerf it to death and others they just don't make available anymore creating an uneven playing field. Great video like always SLM.
It depends what you'll use the ships for. While Congress and Collingwood aren't the strongest in Random battles, both work in other gamemodes such as Ranked/Brawls.
I think he said the Congress works in ranked
Collingwood is a terrible choice for rank/brawl.
@@faynk.6247lmao bruh im winning games in ranked with colingwood and its better then nelson due to reload booster and the reload being better. Also has hydro. You just stay away from bbs that overmatch and he spam u dont brawl with colingwood. Even nelson dies fast af if u brawl
Congress is horrible in clan battles.
@@xviperous bruh congress is op for t8 and below
The planes on the Tone weren't designed for combat. They were designed to search out enemy ships for the carriers to attack. The main reason the Japanese were so late in finding the US at Midway was one of the search planes from Tone had problems launching and the US fleet just happened to be in the area it was supposed to search.
Another 'actually post', the planes on Tone in game are the M6A2 Seiran designed for the I-400 submarines and were designed to carry bombs (or a torpedo) so they were attack aircraft. Historically the Tone carried the E13A 'Jake' which were just scout aircraft. The Tone could have carried the F1M 'Pete' also but didn't as they were not scout aircraft but more gun spotters.
The Tone is a difficult fit in the game. Like the USS Halford it's mission fit conflicts. DDs, and many cruisers, need to be closer to the action so the possibility of getting spotted and blaped while using the planes is much higher than the BB based hybrids. WG making the load time of three minutes make the planes hard to use and discourages their use. (it would be better if the planes were ready to go at spawn instead of waiting to load, (same for all torps) WG probably made the load time long to discourage their use and the planes are just a gimmick.) I like playing the Tone, in CoOp, as there is always something to do with it. Like other IJN CAs the guns are good and so are the torps. The plane's battle power is rather poor but the spotting near the end of the match is useful. But that may change if WG nerfs aircraft spotting as posted.
The Tone, Maya and Kitakami are possible more sales gimmicks for the historical crowd without great in game features. Like the Maya was modified to be better at swatting planes but WG could not actually let it hurt the fun police. The same will probably be true for the HMS Rodney when it ever enters the game.
Not sure I agree on Congress, I can think of MANY other even just T8 premium cruisers I would put there over it. It's a solid battlecruiser that can never meet superships. Decent 10km radar, lots of HP and a heal at T8, sure you only have 7 guns, but they are still the same AP shells Alaska gets, they still have improved pen angles, they still devastate other cruisers, only with Congress, ~40% of the ships you meet will be T6/7.
As for a ship that's more worthy of being avoided? You don't even have to look far, Witchita. She's flat out worse than Baltimore. You have to pay money to lose 1km of radar range, trade your heavy AP for standard AP, and not really gain anything.
Oklahoma... I got her for free and I still feel ripped off. The 38 second reload paired with AP that would be right at home on a T3. The secondaries being okay but still worse when compared to even other secondary ships of her tier. She's just bad, and honestly I can't think of a ship that's worse than her. The only benefit I can see is she's free.
I can't agree the Tone is bad ether. She's got amazing concealment the same 16 second reload on her 8 guns as Atago has on her 10 guns, but while also having more tools for dealing with situations. Sure her torpedo bombers are a bit weak, and do take a while to recover, but it's still a nice thing to have on a T8 cruiser. All 8 guns being on the front of the ship also allows you to get your entire firepower while poking just your nose around an island and staying undetected. You also only need to give 26-ish degrees of angle to fire your guns off the rear of your ship. Atago for example has to give 35 degrees.
Ironically, I'd say to avoid the Atago, sure you have a heal, but aside from that you are basically just a Myoko a tier higher. You have no extra tools other than the heal, you have the same reload as the Myoko, and you would be far better off just getting Mogami and slapping her 203s on her if you really want a pure gun IJN CA. I will always disagree with the notion that Atago is somehow this amazing ship, all because she has a heal. We have PLENTY of other T8 cruisers with a heal at this point. Atago isn't special anymore. We have Pyotr Bagration, same HE DPM as Atago, far better AP, better armour. We have Congress has a heal far more HP, less HE DPM sure, but FAR better AP. We have San Diego FAR higher DPM, basically the same concealment and even more team utility by being a decent AA platform. Then we start getting to tech tree ships like Cataluna, Cherbourg, and Haarlem. I'm sure I missed some as well. Atago is nothing special, was always a slight downgrade over 203mm Mogami, was always a fairly big downgrade over 155mm Mogami. Atago is the ship I would avoid.
I don't have the other two so can't really say ether way. Though Collingwood seems fine, and performs VERY well stats wise. So I'm not sure why it should be avoided? Improved heal, hydro, reload booster that gives her a 13 second reload on what is effectively 6 Duncan guns 2 tiers lower. Yeah not seeing why she's bad? Also you say she's inaccurate... of 7 salvos you landed 19 shells, with two of those salvos being poorly aimed, only full out missing because of bad aim. So taking every salvo into account you had a 45% hit rate. Taking the full miss out, you had a 52.7% hit rate. The average BB accuracy in game is 33%. You were landing shells above the average, your brain was just making you THINK you were missing a lot because you only had 6 shells to begin with, Collingwood has a 2.0 sigma, she's far from inaccurate.
Oklahoma is what you get when you name the ship after a capsized, non-recoverable battleship instead of the only battleship to get underway and make an effort to exit the harbor, Nevada.
Very odd that we haven’t gotten Nevada yet
Check the penetration of Collingwood shells compared to Nelson, Rodney, or basically any other Tier7 ship, you'll be surprised...
Congres Is a good ship, very tanky with Amazing guns and other stuff.
I had already got Alaska long time before getting congres, so It doesn't mean that if you play congres Is because you dream to have Alaska.
Have to agree with a lot of the posts here re Congress & Collingwood. Congress is a mini-Alaska and a fav of mine, it works even in randoms although if up-tiered it needs some care. Collingwood also works & it's guns aren't the same as Nelson, they're 419's (16.5") not the 406's of Nelson.
Hopping into my T-11 BB Maine feels the same way as in BB Oklahoma, Your right!, Those looong Reloads. WoWS Please Buff the Oklahoma it needs it. great vid Mountbatten, take care. ty!.
Collingwood? lol The one leads the statistics for performance in a lot of categories? You have to play it carefuly shure but in t7 exclusive formats its a beast.
I feel some of the ships on the list aren't bad but require an understanding of how the ship works.
tone is amazing, use planes to force people to turn into your main torps.
Overall Tone is alright at T8. Those planes are too weak and slow reloading to be much of a threat and the ship gives up a lot of dpm and survivability Vs Atago and Mogami.
I like it, but it's not particularly amazing.
Chikuma on the other hand is a monster in the right hands.
Oklahoma was worth all of the effort that it took me to get her, but only because fulfilling the mission chain required no effort. Admittedly, the only value I get from the Oklahoma is the two freebies a year for a tier V vessel in my port. In the bad old days when you had to play each ship to get each reward, playing the Oklahoma in a co-op match was not so bad that I would not claim the reward.
Even with the nerf, I still have fun with my I56. I play like a torp DD and there is still nothing as satisfying as sinking a DD with her deck gun.
Oh great, I got the Collingwood from anniversary SC's... xD
She's a solid ship, it's effectively 6 T9 guns with a reload booster at T7. She's literally in the top 3 for average damage at T7 with her average damage matching some of the best T8 BBs. I'm not sure what Sealord is on to say she should be avoided?
Nonsense to see Congress here. It got Alaska armor with less dpm on lower tier, where these guns are are more effective due to lower armor. Its same good as Alaska tier for tier
Did not like Yukon so I was happy to trade it in for HMS Agincourt. Decent chance to get an easy kraken for a mission
Collingwood is my #1 tier 7 Battleship by damage, kills, & XP. And yes, I do also have a Nelson. No the guns are NOT Nelson guns minus a barrel.
Right, they've got waaay better penetration. Citadeling BBs left and right...
Love the Tone for spotting and having all guns in front...if you're not 50% around the island you can stealth shoot...if something is in range to be fair ^^ +8,8 stealth and repair!!! Even without the planes it is better than Atago and Mogami
I've had excellent games in the Congress and Collingwood. I even sent you a 200k Collingwood replay a while back. Congress always surprises novice battleship players and destroyers. Collingwood has massive guns that are accurate with AP that shreds other battleships and cruisers. You just can't get caught overextended just like the Nelson. I'd say the Yukon is considerably worse than either of these because of the horrid gun range.
Disagree with Collingwood. That stupid dd with the planes should definently be on this list. That ship is just trash.
Bought the Tone don't regret my purchase.
Agreed on the Congress , only works tier 8 or below. Great for getting citadels with AP, I use it mostly in co-op
Now that there has been a few of them would like to see your thoughts on the best and worst of the dockyard ships
I think I agree with some on this list except for Congress. Congress is good enough that even a medicore player can at least contribute to the team by tanking, fire at enemy cruisers and radar the enemy dd. Tone is pretty much useless if the player just rely on the planes. Most Tone players rarely use their guns and prefer to stay dark.
i picked up a random submarine yesterday, the Pan Asian T6, deepwater torps or underwater acuostic homing.
I'll have to put in my support for the congress, although "bootleg alaska" is definitely the most apt description of her.
Tone on the other hand is better than you think, but she's very tricky to play, and you have to build into her planes and torps to make them count. Also, due to her gun layout, her dispersion is unbelievable.
Finally, Collingwood. Oh, wow. I truly looked through every t7 battleship I could find to see if one could be worse than her, and I'm still searching. Even California and Poltava are somehow better.
Her guns have truly abysmal accuracy, and have simply too much armor pen for her tier. So you barely hit anything, and most hits overpen. Lovely.
Then, her armor. Gigantic citadel, and absolutely no external plating whatsoever. She is basically a pinata for 380mm guns.
The sad part, is that the other parts are decent if not good. Collingwood has an amazing 75% pen repair, same as the Conqueror line (Nelson/Rodney are 60%). She also gets a hydro, a rarity for non-brawling BBs. Plus, her gun layout is very nice for a slow ship, with even better 20 degree gun angles. Too bad you have no armor to bow tank, and can't hit anything even if you try.
The follow up video to this should be premium ships that haven't aged well!
Those low tier BBs with high reload times are better to single fire the guns IMO. You seem to get better dispersion and, by the time you do 5 turrets worth of shots, your first turret is loaded again.
I have Alaska and Congress...I can't remember how I ended up with Congress, but it isn't bad as Sea Lord said...but situational for sure. Alaska OTOH, is sweet! I do like Agincourt. I'd definitely go with Atago over Tone. I have really dabbled in subs yet...I should put some time in on those to better grasp how they work. Not big on the UK battleships...
I have three out of five (Oklahoma, Tone and Collingwood).
Both Tone and Coll were gotten through supercontainers and Oklahoma through the Always Courageous collection, so don't you judge me.
Judge the RNG.
You'll be glad you are in the Oklahoma not the Agincourt when the carrier starts focusing you.
Surprised Tiger 59 didn’t make the list. You can get her if you have the Rochester
You get the Oklahoma for free in a collection. It's not enough Christmas container or a super container, or you can't buy it.
I'm glad Tsurugi isn't on the list. However, You can't get her anyway, but I guess that's not a pro 😅. My favorite ship in the game.
Bad take on Tone. Having all four guns in the front is a blessing, as it allows it to play around islands extremely effectively, and you can stay angled without losing essentially any firepower. The torpedo bombers give it a ton of utility in mid-game scouting and have a good enough spread to take out stragglers. Pretty much every negative you listed about it is a result of playing the ship wrong. (Why would you try to kite with it? Or anything like it?)
Same bad take on the I-56. It's a cruiser-sub, not a normal sub. You're supposed to play it like a destroyer, not a sub. You should be crapping out your excellent unguided torps at long ranges, where you can shotgun spam them for maximum damage. If you try to play it like a Cachalot, Salmon, or other traditional sub, you're going to fail because it's not meant to play like that. Watching the video of you deck-gun fighting with it was just painful. Skill issue.
Texas should be able to fill its torpedo belt with water to lean the ship and increase it's range.
I never saw the Rodney for sale. Apparently it was removed before I could even check. Another shovel full removed from the grave of world of warships.
The Hybrid ships should all have AI planes you fire like torps. Target a ship, launch planes, keep fighting your ship.
my list is Oklahoma California Brandenburg Anhalt and Shornberg (something like that tier 6 german dd) and Z-38 with 6km torps that one (tier 8 german DD) Tiger 59, Orkan
I like my Tone. It would be nice if WG would it would be nice if WG would have scout planes scalp and then the Tone would be awesome. Having to choose to use your bombers as scouts for carriers but also fix a lot of the CV problems
Funny enough, Collingwood was my first ever premium ship, I got it from some container featuring British ships. (Don't remember the event.)
And OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK-lahoma... Wasn't worth the coal for the containers, but she _has_ grown on me a bit.
I like the Tone and do pretty well with it. I don't buy gold ships anymore. Got Oklahoma free.
Hey sealord. I played another game with you today. You were in libertad. You were on enemy team this time tho. It was like my 2nd game ever playing shima. I did pretty good and unfortunately your team didnt fare too well. I saw you trying tho.
Good overall list i have 325 ships and only own the Oklahoma (due to she was at Pearl) .
I'm going to get Oklahoma, though container. Thanks for the information on the Tone. I still get it.
Don't waste the coal on the containers. You can get any number of better premium ships for the amount you spend on them.
-One who bought the containers.
I do not think Collingwood is a lemon, those guns hit very hard, it's not really slow, armour is not amazing, but ship is way better than Americans bar Florida, which has speed.
Collingwood has bigger guns than the Nelson. The Nelson has 406mm guns and the Collingwood has 419mm guns.
There are many premiums much worse than the ships on this list
Off the top of my head: Krasny Krym, Tiger 59, Elli, Pan Asian Charles Martel (whatever it's called), Picardie
He’s most likely mentioned them in a previous video
@@Joshua-fi4ji Krispy Creme can be a lot of fun though.
@@Joshua-fi4ji Adding more Wichita, West Virginia 41, Yahagi, Tokachi, Tsurugi, Mikoyan, Leipzig, De Grasse, Sun Yat-Sen, and Wujing are the others I can easily think of.
@@Stephen__WhiteLeipzig and De Grasse are excellent premiums. You just have to know how to play them.
The all-time worst premium - was THE most expensive. You had to surrender all your premium days and all your doubloons and all your coal, all your steel and all your research points to get a Kitakami which is a sorry POS. How would you feel if you paid for a Lamborghini and got a Yugo?
Oklahoma is literally a mini Arizona. 😂
Damn dude and i have all of those and i got i56 on one of those super containers, i was wow is the sub with sap gun and lost the first game lmao
Well, i disagree except for Oklahoma. Really bad ship, very situative.
Congress: got her for the tier 8 clan battles a few years ago, and even not a good player on most cruisers, i performed very well with Congress. Opponent cruiser with a little too much broadside? Eat American Piercing! I devstriked a few 100 % healthy cruisers with just her front turrets. She performed not so well in the 3 randoms i played with her, but was a blast in that clan battles. In the randoms, i was just close to a cap, giving radar and hydro support and this was enough to keep the DD`s away from it. So a cheap cap for my team, but not much damage. All 3 randoms were wins.
Oklahoma: yes, that`s a hard to play ship, but in some situations she could shine. In my 2 battles with her, i never got into such a situation. Slow speed and inaccurate guns makes playing her a pain in the a..... well you know.
Tone: don`t have it, but a buddy plays and loves this cruiser. He performs well with it in our divisions.
I-56: needs more dive capacity, then she could be a good submarine. Her unguided torpedos are very dangerous!
Collingwood: only played her in asymmetric battles, and it was funny to nearly devstrike some tier 5 and 6 BB`s. She has good accuracy and a very good punch. Better than Nelson in my opinion, with only little disadvantages. Really forgot to play her in some randoms, shame on me!
Do you remember your very first premium ship you purchased? Mine was Imperator Nikolai I, the soviet BB at tier 4. It looks so ugly that you can call it beautiful. She has the biggest guns at tier 4, but only some peashooters as AA. Tried a battle with her a few days ago, but after firing 2 salvos i got torped by a Kamikaze R. Map Big Race, so the destroyer was too fast close to this ugly gun platform with 36 seconds reload on her 305 mm guns. In her better days, i was able to score 160K damage with her in one battle, sinking 5 ships. She was removed quickly because "OP" with her guns. As i purchased her, i was just fascinated from her look, a gun platform with only the most needed superstructure, not more. Now she needs a buff, more accuracy or better reload time.
I agree with your 5 don't buy ships . I have a couple of them from winning them, and I never play them.
I must have misheard, there was no mention of a certain British light cruiser
It was in the last one
I got Collingwood from last year's Mega Santa Crates. I cannot tell you how freaking disappointed I was that I got that garbage instead of a Nelson. And further back I got Oklahoma. They're both just awful ships, utterly miserable to play.
Puts congress and collingwood and doesnt even mention HMS Tiger
Tiger is the worst T8 cruiser most people should know taht
Definitely regret getting i-56.
I-56 is very strong and is getting buffs. You just need to have the right captain skills and know what you're doing.
Honestly. I feel like he left out the real reason I-56 is rough. No Sub Surv. Give it that and I might respect it in a sub v sub fight.
@@Goldenfire49 but they're giving it exactly that, so why put it in a list of bad ships when they've already announced buffs to fix it's asw issues.
@@Joshua-fi4ji I was not aware of that! Thank you~
For whatever reason, I have better stats with the Tone than I do with Atago. No idea why that is.
I know the shortcomings of the congress and I do agree, but she is likely the next premium I buy because I want the alaska and cant have it XD. It suffers from the curse of t8: it doesnt belong in t9+ games... well it can probably handle t9s but absolutely NO t8 ship has any right being in a t10 game.
Wargaming literally just needs to make MM +/-1 because the same can be said for a t7 in a t9 game. At least as you get lower the gap doesnt feel as bad, like a 6 vs and 8 doesnt feel as bad as a 7 vs a 9 or an 8 vs a 10.
Oklahoma's free from a collection anyway.
Got mine for FREE 2. Love IT, can't really see why IT should be worse than agincourt. Both r slow dreadnoughts with slow reload. Agincourt has more guns but IT has literally no AA and is as long & thinly belted as Tiger 13, the tech tree battlecruiser.
OK reminds me of warspite, being compact and pugnacious.
Secs might be a bit worse, but u can dodge torps & IT has some AA. Love the camo 2
Ugh ... 70+ super containers from 9th Anniversary event, Ship i got Collingwood.
Remember when it used to be a 17 super containers and then ship pity drop something..
They've totally bricked the economy with early access and tech tree ship give away's as high at T8 in various other rewards.
So now thats a lot of economy not being spent to go through the grinds including paying to do so. Signals buffs etc..
Quick cash makes the books look good weegee staff as it exceeds earnings quota for $ now, then they get a bonus or whatever...
But players are paying the price with utterly scuffed economy leading to a inflation of containers troll drops such as less popular signals and an abundance of grey buffs for xp credits etc... now thats a clip in its own right.
I still haven't got a ship :( I am getting close to a guaranteed drop tho. Hopefully I don't get another tier 6 or 7. I keep getting those anytime I get a free container ship. I guess the Arizona I recently got is cool for historical reasons but I don't really like battle ships
@@clmwrx
Well weegee has weird mechanics .
Evident across many events and container drop based events and so called rng.
Including the rather well known makarov drop one, where everyone got one. In a Snowflake event / similar to anniversary.
Now on top of all this
There is a mechanic where Weegee may release a % of prizes = ships in the event.
BUT
Not all of them at once
Indeed there has been some events of some 3 weeks in duration, where the Ships were not dropping for the player base in the first week, very few accounts at all.
Blah blah to summarise all the goings on, weegee hadn't put all the ships into the pool to drop. Thus people are spending on containers thinking they have a fair RNG shot at a drop, but the ships aren't even in the pool to be gotten!!
So you think next container, no no next container woo new event! But nope weegee is revenue gathering without the ships in the pool and the player base has absolutely no way of knowing about this, or when its ships released to be part of the drops.
The only way is to keep an eye in chat and see what other players are saying, have they gotten a ship, once people start to say well i got this and that and not nope haven't got one yet, that's your best guide that the ships released into the prize pool.
As bizarre and nope it cant be like this, i will remind any long term player that it is weegee with one of the most predatory economy and container drop rates up there with the worst mobile games and other pc games in all of gaming history.
Every time I have an I56 in my team u can be sure he will die quickly with noob captain overcommitting
@sealordmountbatten do think the Navarin will ever come back to the shop?
Couldn't help but notice that Constellation wasn't on this list.
This is coming from someone who purchased her about 24 hours ago lol, if anyone has any tips on how to use her, that would be awesome
Collingwood also loses the armor scheme of the nelson.
@@Subbias2024 that is the very reason I dislike her, those 32mm sides on the proper Nelsons make them fairly tanky, especially with the main battery being almost perfect for teaching you how to angle,
no shot you are trying to tell people collingwood is bad... my 100k+ damage a game would beg to differ
I have only Oklahoma and Collingwoodvfrom this list but agreed, they are not good to buy.
Oklahoma is common US low tier speed (maybe 20 knots) you trying to get into secondaries range.
Collingwood 6guns they are 419mm (Conqueror caliber) with 26s reload(i guess) +reload booster. The ship is fully plated 26mm armor. I had single good match with it (sailed for Anniversary rewards only) but it is in my
list of avoided ships.
I would personally not go for Rodney (if not you after worse Nelson). It was in some bundles, seems FOMO, also very low chance to get from D Day event free containers.
It has even less alpha dmg both on HE and AP vs Nelson - 950less HE and 1200 less AP (10800 AP alpha 16 inch/406mm guns is terrible).
The ship is even 0.2knot slower than slow Nelson to get speed booster. Torps look terryfying (St Vincent 29K torps) but try get it into effective range.
Texas. Got this ship to shoot down planes. It now can't shoot down planes. Wish they would allow me to trade it in for something else.
I loved the recent trade in event. I wad able to trade agir for kidd. The event was good if you were ok with getting a ship a tier lower than what you trade in. I hated agir. Kidd is amazing and I'm a beast in it so far with unicum stats atm. Could change as I think I only have like 47 games in the ship
@@clmwrx I traded in my Napoli since I had gotten a Napoli B and never used it once.
Collingwood, that sad thing, the thing I got from Santa, it deserves 9 guns
With 9 guns she'd be even more stupidly overpowered. She's effectively rocking T9 guns in dual mounts at T7. With a reload booster.
Tone is not Takao’s Hull. It is basically the same concept design of Mogami Class and the hull were as close as Ibuki Class.
Oh? I heard I-56 is being bad? Man, I hope WeeGee not decided to give Shima Torps on Subs in the I-400. Or they are just doing the classic hate on IJN ships because WeeGee is russki (not anymore but still are) being salty about Battle of Tsushima
And Mountbatten has it all.
Completely disagree at colingwood is better then rodney and nelson. The turret angles are awesome the reload booster kills any ship when used right also has hydro so does way better at ranked and competitive.
I have Collingwood find it quite decent and Tone not so much but it is OK. For me the worst is the t9 German dd think it was for coal awful boat. Z ?? I can't recall lol
RIP if you bought one of these before watching this
If wargaming made it so that premiums can be used to research ships in their national trees I might consider getting them. But otherwise its just a credit printing gimmick and none of the ships below T10 have bonuses large enough to be useful for that purpose.
Premium ships get you more free xp which can be used on any ships. Premiums are good for training commanders and don't require commander retraining to use commander on them.
Tier 10 premiums aren't true premiums either. Tier 9 have the best economy. Tier 8 premiums are still great for credits and rewards. Especially if you play well against higher Tier ships.
Tier 10 are special ships or whatever they're called. The don't have the better built in economy.
Forgetting Chikuma II, Sealord? Although it isn't that different from Tone, lol
Top 5 this, top 5 that....
Carnot is pretty bad. FFs give her a reload booster.
Why does he post at 2 in the moring
Maybe he doesn't live in your time zone.
american claims congress is useless lol. we heard that so many times now and it doesnt matter who they elect to it (this was today's politics joke).
Alot to be said about Mikasa! Ok just kidding
I got Collingwood from a Christmas container, played a few battles in the Collingwood, immediately sold her. That’s how bad the Collingwood is. Also, I don’t think you can buy the Oklahoma right now
Tiger '59
What, no Tiger 59?
If you give wg money to make a sucky game suck less youre doing it wrong
What about Picardie? That ship literally has nothing going for it except for having a reload booster
I think he forgot about it because almost no one has it and it's not for sale. A ship that bad should have at least been given out for free.
I got it for free....@@Joshua-fi4ji
Wait! No Tiger 59? What witchcraft is this?
The monaghan dd should be in there it is terrible
Not the Tiger '59? Awful ship
I don't think the Alaska is all that great.
Wait there are bots in standard tier 5...
No California ?
She’s a bit better since the buffs
abit hard if you have almost evrything LOL
I56 is worse than cwood