Bought a ford econovan converted into a camper for my first car last year and have been stuck with it since, worst purchase I ever made. As soon as my tax return came in I sold it and bought a 2010 xr6 NA and I'm in love, as soon as I took it for a test drive I was sold lol. As someone who knows fuck all about car and wants to start learning more I want to thank you for these videos, hardly any one uploads videos on NA xr6s and its nice to watch people work on the same car that I'll be taking on in the future ✌
@Mav Morgan Sure your new XR6 is going to feel pretty quick compared to the old Econovan! I agree, not many people give the NA any attention but, while it's never going to be the quickest, you can definitely have some fun. The mods I've covered should be fairly similar but I'd expect the FG to make more power with the better intake manifold, and will be much quicker again if it has something other than the 4 speed auto. What do I know though, I'm always learning as I go too and am certainly no expert! Hope you enjoy your new rig mate 👍
Thanks mate! And awesome to see another Kiwi brother watching, there seems to be a few others that drop into the comments as well. Good luck mate and hope you enjoy the result once done 👍
Beautifully done Browney! It's always nice when a job goes to plan! I think the note is pretty good too - perfect volume. Any louder on a stock 6 banger might sound a bit iffy. Cant wait to see what all this translates to down the 1/4 (when things eventually open back up..) Cheers! Marc
@Meatball Garage Thanks Marc! Was very happy with how smoothly it all went for once! That’s it, louder isn’t necessarily always better unfortunately, I’m happy with it now. Itching to get back to the track but still got a bit to go - just as well, think I may have some time to kill before I can get!
Maaaaaate! Another good video! But I have a tip for you. Find something else instead of those cable ties to hold the heater hoses away from the exhaust. Over time they will rub their way through the rubber and cut them open. I've seen it happen to steel fuel line. Even if you get some old hose to go between the ties and the heater hose is better than what you have there. I'd hate to see a video of you doing an engine swap or head gasket how to video because of them :) Good work keeping the videos through the "lock down".
@Matthew Black Awesome! If you get a chance I’d be keen to here how it all goes and what you think of the system, after you’ve had a chance to ply around with it of course 👍
I noticed a gain in bottom end power when I had to replace my catalytic convertor (it was throwing P0420 fault code- efficiency below threshold error) so I fitted a hi flow cat from E-Bay cost $60, that alone with factory exhaust made a noticeable difference and was also noticeably louder but not annoying.
@@cameroncalder4911 Hi Cam, I purchased a simple 100 cell hi flow Cat, stainless can type, you have to purchase a O2 sensor spacer adapter as well to stop the code from returning because 100 cell doesn't meet Euro 3 standard, about $19.
Think i shoulda gotten this exhaust instead of getting the hotdog centre, hotdog makes it way louder then I expected, you picked the right one here browney
@Jakob Lee Thanks Jakob! I sometimes wonder if I should have gone slightly louder as it could be just a touch louder and still be great for me but you've just helped reassure me. Each to their own but I'm with you in preferring these cars to be a little quieter 👍
You mean 1 x rear muffler and 1 x centre hot dog? Yeh it's because of running only 1 muffler that it's loud. A hotdog actually does reduce the volume, but only across certain frequencies. I used to run a Gemini wagon with just 1 x hotdog in the system, no mufflers. It could be driven in the quiet spots but definitely opened up the noise at mid and high revs. It was quite obnoxious really. You can't get a good note from them. Straight through sports mufflers are the best, but yeh, still quite loud with only one.
Tip for those rusted out bolts: Crayons!! Get some crayons or some wax heat up the nut or housing of 02 sensor and jam a crayon in there. Was having trouble with mine did this and works a treat!
maybe i need some of those pipes under my 2 tonne terry, and browney you are not talking to yourself in the garage, you are having a staff meeting. hahaha
@bryan skerry Can't hurt mate, or maybe you should just go for weight reduction as well and remove the exhaust? Kill 2 birds. Haha thanks mate, if that's the case I think staff have been very unhappy with the working conditions out there at the moment!
@@BrowneysGarage my old EF only had the stock headers on at one stage while I replace the engine, it sounded great and scared the s**t out of the neighbours when i fired it up for the first time. As for the weight, I cant reduce it without cutting a lot out of it, mind you I tink I just added extra weight to it with the sound deadening the doors and heat and sound on the roof
had contemplated replacing the exhaust system in my Fairmont Ghia S3. mechanic thinks it only needs a weld fix done or section replaced. watching this makes me want to get an aftermarket one lol.
A lot of these are only filmed by myself so it’s normally a rush back to the camera before it gets flogged! 🤣 So when I have a helper I make sure they don’t have to walk home… as long as they get the shot
another kiwi here mate, sweet vids, hey would you benefit much from a tune after this exhaust install? some people tune after every little upgrade to their car, some don't. ??
Awesome, love hearing from our Kiwi mates, and thanks! You would see some benefit from a tune after the exhaust install but you would from stock as well. In saying that you absolutely don't need to in an NA car, and if you plan on doing more mods I would certainly wait for those first. I really couldn't see any reason to tune after each little mod, the money you would spend could go a long way else where and would only really be for small changes in the tune, again at least for an NA car. Cheers and hope you enjoy what we have coming up mate 👍
I got mine fitted at workshop for $1500 9y ago on 03BA. It's 3 Inch hotdog output. Police pulled me over around 4 times, got letter from environment protection act that the exhaust is noisy and need to be tested. When tested was 98db and need it to be 90db and below. Managed to get it 94db the guy at the shop gave me certificate it is 90db.
The muffler in my BA cracked a month or so back and it sounded just like that at 9:20. It's always fun to give it a little blat in your garage but it's pretty embarrassing driving home from work through the city like that. It's bloody deafening too, even inside the car with the windows up. Doesn't matter how easy you take it either. That was a long drive home...
😂 That’s the trade off I guess with louder exhausts. Straight pipes can sound good in a very specific scenario or rev range but rubbish otherwise. Actually come to think of it are you sure it cracked and you didn’t just try the old ‘free exhaust upgrade’ by drilling a few holes in a muffler!?
No just the gaskets in each section. Have since removed this exhaust to go turbo and had no signs of exhaust leaks that I could see so seemed to be enough.
Nope, hasn't been a problem for me with this one. A big part of going the quieter, 2 muffler system was to try avoid that and it seems to have worked out.
Hey mate love your content,I actually did the same on mine but used the competition pacemakers-venom hi flow cat with redback 2.5" sports exhaust. Also did the fg inlet manifold at the same time.vids on my J. Looking forward to seeing more mate👍
@Johnny HCF Just went over to your channel and checked it out. How do you like the FG inlet manifold, did you end up getting it tuned? Much gain in your opinion from the intake? Thanks for watching mate 👍
Hey Brownie,no haven't had the money to get it tuned yet,but this is the second time I've done the fg manifold,on the ba it has a flat spot down low-but beyond that with the K&N panel filter & exhaust it definitely breathes better. First time was on my Barra swapped XG which had 25% underdrive etc-not tuned but adjusted to drive the auto manually with the tiptronic and it drove incredibly well compared with the BBM.
Another awesome video thanks Browney. Just out of curiosity, where did you get the rubber supports on your chassis stands please? I wouldn't mind some like that myself.
@Andrew Green Hey Andrew, thanks mate. I picked them up from the below listed eBay seller out of the UK. Expensive postage but I bought a heap to make it worth while (he's got a load of different sizes including for jacks), and at the time I was looking at option to get something similar going over here but never happened. I do like the idea and product though so maybe one day I'll revisit it, believe they are machined super solid rubber hockey pucks! www.ebay.com.au/usr/cav.mar1?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
@Alan L Hey mate, thanks for watching. Have never actually tried but have just gone out and had a look to see if it would sit over - doesn't look like it would work, or at least not easily. It dips down too quickly/hugs too close, would need to be bent up but the way it's made I'm not sure how well you'd go doing that. As an alternative you can pick up universal heat shields to cut and form, something like this - www.carbuilders.com.au/aluminium-embossed-heat-shield
Yes. Mine is set up with the factory shield over the same headers. I have LPG gear hanging around so I guess it's called for. I didn't fit it, but it looks rather snug and has definitely been adjusted with a precision tool : P Seems like it mostly needed clearance for the 3rd primary pipe from the front of the motor. There are 5 grooves in the shield, and the 2nd groove from the front has been modified to clear that 3rd pipe, seems like. It's been belted out to roughly level in a small area; just a few inches of the lower end of that 2nd groove (closest to the ground). So maybe a third of the groove was flattened out. The shield may have also been flared / pulled out somewhat along the lower edge towards the rear. It's a bit hard to tell. None of the lower mounting bolts for the shield are fitted obviously, it's just the upper ones holding it on, but it's firm and doesn't rattle or anything. Hope that helps. You could also thermal wrap them or send them off for a nice and shiny (expensive) ceramic coating.
What I want to know is can you bolt on the factory heatshield after installing the new extractors? Unlike a lot of people I personally actually like the look of the heatshield attached to the engine, just makes it look more bulky and more powerful haha
Hey Browney great video mate! Just wondering how are you finding the exhaust kit after sometime? Still reckon it could be a bit louder? Thinking of getting the same kit as the one you use or the one without the front muffler. Thanks
Thanks mate. Exhaust is going great, very happy with it so far and in hindsight I think it’s the right system for me. Has a great balance of being nice when cruising but noticeably louder when driving it hard, don’t think I’d want to go playing with it now.
Mate, you didn't show how the extractors connected to the cat pipe. I'm having issue with my sons 2.5inch cutback exhaust and extractors. It doesn't look like the extractors are going to fit to the cat pipe.
Hey browney-how are your heater hoses holding up with the radiant heat from the extractors? Ive wrapped my fg heater hoses in self adhesive heat shielding to prolong the life of them,i just had a set of wildcat 770 extractors fitted with high flow cat,middle muffler delete going into a 3.5 inch xforce rear exhaust system.
Hey mate, all seems fine with them, not showing any signs of heat damage or getting hard or anything like that so far. Mind you I haven't done a heap of KMs with this setup but has had plenty of heat through them.
Couple of reasons but you nailed one of the big ones, budget. From memory I don’t think I’ve seen a quad tip/twin exit system for less than $1-1.5k compared to something like $300 for the current cat back. Add to that that the quad system would then likely need modifying to line up with the end of the cat, which makes it something that not everyone can do at home, that this exhaust setup will likely all be replaced when the car goes turbo and that the rear diffuser and bumper on this car are fairly rough and need replacing anyway. Too many factors against it for now. Fair question though, if this exhaust was staying I may have been motivated to do it cause it does look great when done right.
i just got headers installed on my BA,,I feel like the sound got thinner and I am not sure performance wise it made any difference??I had a hot dog and 2,5 inch cat back before headers,,and with headers I have the pacemaker and also a high flow cell,,any ideas why the sound sort of got thinner?
Hey Browney, slim chance you see this but im putting a ba back together and was wondering if you recall the size bolts used to connect the exhaust manifold to the stock cat converter, thanks mate.
Hey mate fantastic work I'm not sure if this will be answered I have a lpg system so I have alot more heater hoses will my hoses burn if there right to the exhaust there not touching the exhaust but they are close any answers from anyone will be appreciated
Interesting, never seen pacemakers on a late model falcon before. Do they come with longer primary version? These seem really sort for what I have known pacemaker to make. I was expecting more of a raspy sound to be honest but still sounds better than the stock egg beater sound that's for sure.
Hey Browny! I got what you got with the catback, but instead of another replacement centre-muffler, I accidentally got a straight piped through the centre. Do you think this would be too loud with a set of same headers that you have installed? Cheers , Max.
I think it would have been too loud for me personally and may have been a little droney. Hard to say for sure though, and it’s big time a personal preference thing… oh and I’m getting old so that’s a factor too 🤣
Hmm I couldn't see it listed as a kit for FG, but looks like they do each individual component. Maybe shoot them an e-mail and see if they can put a complete kit and price together?
@@Recklessbah i got one for my fg no worries. looked on ebay and got the flow through center muffler with muffler delete together. gonna get it installed in a couple of days
@@Recklessbah I’m just testing the waters with this to see if it’s a cop magnet or not first😂 I’m thinking of getting them once I know how it sounds. It’s not like browney’s where it has two mufflers in the kit
@Duncan Cameron All costs are in the video description but the kit was $950 (ebay.to/2V2XID0) plus about $50 for the extra manifold gasket and oxygen sensor plug I used. Headers are great, Pacemaker have been doing this for a long time 👍
@Sam MacDonald Hi Sam, that was anti-seize on the O2 sensor. They get a decent amount of moisture and corrosion and can be a real pain to remove at times so it's handy to do this if you can. Rest of the system was assembled without any loctite, have done so in the past with no dramas. Thanks for watching mate.
@Lakota Perrone Hey mate, I believe this is due to clearance issues with the converter. Perhaps it's possible with or without moving this and I don't have any personal experience with this but I'm not aware of any kit advertised as LPG equipped car friendly. If you try a knowledgeable exhaust shop like DEA they may be able to give you a concrete answer/solution though? Good luck mate
Are the revs any lower then before the upgrade like mine is 2000revs at 110 kilometres per hour with just standed what would it be lower with the performance exhaust system and extractors?
Hi Browney, Did you use a standard header gasket from ford? They told me they only have the one sort. Can I mention your name in my video when I install my exhaust system. You have shown me a lot to fix my car, I have a bf xr6. Thanks for all your help mate. Maybe I can buy you a beer one day we are both in Vic
@jade saccuzzo Hey mate, that’s right just the standard Ford gasket. Of course you can, no problem at all. Let me know when it’s out, I’ll definitely check it out. Glad I’ve helped mate, I’m just a backyard hack working it out as I go like most of us! Cheers
Hi again Browney, iv got a problem. Can you please help. New exhaust kit like yours only with a hot dog, New oxygen senses, and my Engine light has come on? Where should o go from here?
@@DAWNDCREW Hi Jade. Bugger, being a later BF I’m guessing it has 2 oxygen sensors? Sorry I’ve overlooked this as I haven’t had to deal with it on mine. That second sensor as far as I know (and remember I’m no expert!) is for diagnostics, that is checking the cat is functioning as expected rather than for fuel adjustments. Cat now flows better/is cleaning less exhaust gases and so it thinks there’s a cat issue. Tuners will normally turn off this second sensors function, and this is the ideal solution. Can be done to just remove this and not have a full tune done I believe if you don’t want to go down that path and you find a good tuner happy to help, not sure on cost but less than a full tune obviously. Alternatively you can try one of the below adapters on that rear oxygen sensor (all much the same and plenty from other companies about too, have just given different angles depending on what will best suit you). I can’t guarantee this will work but the idea seems sound and has been done on many different models as well, and of course is much cheaper again. These add some further catalyst material before it gets to that sensor, hopefully making the sensor think the cat is running efficiently. Up to you if you try the cheaper option, honestly I probably would if I wasn’t going to get a tune in the future, but just bear in mind that using the cheaper solution sometimes means you pay twice! bit.ly/2WtBSKl bit.ly/2OvDrD1 bit.ly/2CDhVK2
Nothing special, 2 are Kincrome 3T I believe and the others I've had for that long I couldn't be sure, think they're a Total Tools brand of probably 3-4T again.
Hey mate, if we're doing this for the first time is there anything you can emphasise to double check. I would be installing a system on my au xr6. Has a stuffed head gasket right now and I'm gonna get it back on the road eventually but I feel like experimenting with the exhaust while it's just sitting around. I've heard 4480s are good with a middle or rear muffler delete.
Double check as far as removing/fitting? Hard to get too much wrong but getting the rear section over the diff can be tough, watch for rusted bolts wanting to snap (penetrant and heat may help, some may be unavoidable though) and of course be careful of cross threading/over tightening in the softer head material. On muffler setup, my old EB had middle muffler and rear resonator which I was happy with, depends on muffler styles too of course though.
I’ve been giving a 2inch xforce catback that brand new I have the same ones on already what could I do to modify it to make louder, sorry about the dumb question but I’m new to car scene and I wanna make my ba sound a bit louder
Could remove a muffler and replace it with a straight section of pipe or a resonator, any exhaust shop could do it fairly cheap if you can’t yourself. You’ll get a million opinions on what sounds good and not and it’s all personal preference, see if you can find sound clips of cars you like and be careful of going too loud - often sounds good for a while/at the right times but can become a real headache quickly.
Haven't personally owned a car with one but my brother had a mid muffler delete of his BA Turbo for a bit. All personal preference but it was probably a bit loud for me and would drone a little at cruise/lower speeds. I prefer the note of the system I have now too, maybe a bit deeper. Plenty of videos around and people who have posted sound clips on groups though, see what sounds best to you. Good luck mate 👍
Not this system specifically, but they will have a near identical system to suit utes. The rear section of the exhaust will be different to suit the rear axle differences between utes and sedans. Thanks for watching mate!
@Simon Gruevski I believe it’s injector or lifter tick, or a combination of both. Seems to be fairly typical in these to varying degrees. If you find out for sure though let me know!
@ty tee Thanks mate, all good points 👍. I’d been meaning to reply in here actually, found when I was changing spark plugs that not all the rubbers between the coils and coil cover were there and sorting this has made things a bit quieter under there... not perfect, but seems that was some of it at least!
Hey Browney i’ve noticed a significant bit of lag when applying a large amount of throttle even having it in first gear any idea as to what it could be? i’ve had a very solid look online and most point towards the injectors but i’m not 100% certain what i do know for sure is that it’s definitely a fuel related issue and it’s seems to be most profound around the engine block itself i don’t really notice any signs that it could be a sticky pump as i’ve replaced the pump recently; another noticeable thing is a very gassy smell from the exhaust but no signs of leakages from fuel lines or anything like that any sort of help would be appreciated.
@Gregoire Soler Sorry mate I've never done it or looked into it. Last conversion I did was the other way, BTR to T5, and it was E-series stuff so dead easy - that's going to be quite a bit more difficult I'd say.
@Benson Hedges Imagine you’d be pretty close performance wise but would probably be a decent bit louder. May even be pretty close to the price of the full system though if you get someone to to cut and replace the muffler, up to you though. Good luck 👍
@Alick Lambeth Yes and no. If you're just going cat back then this will likely bolt up to the stock gear (just confirm with manufacturer before ordering). If you're going headers/extractors then the cat section will need to be cut and re welded, which will obviously cost money unless you can do it yourself at which stage you may just be better off upgrading the rest.
Not that simple I'd say, different diff makes the rear section guaranteed to be different and I believe the front section will be as well. Same same for headers/extractors and maybe cat section. Easy enough to get exhaust for wagon anyway though.
Came as part of the kit, standard with the Pacemakers from memory. Pretty standard hardware though and the specs should be online somewhere if you need them by themselves, don’t have them handy at the moment sorry.
Only difference will be the very rear tip area. XR have a cut out in the bumper, XT likely won't and needs to be dumped down to suit. DEA/most exhaust shops should have the same system with allowance for this to suit though if you look for it or let them know when you order.
@Maximum occupancy 120 Haven’t really compared sound or looked into it but wasn’t Di Filippo the go for these at one stage? Not sure if you can still get your hands on one, maybe have a search over at FordForums.com.au for more info if you haven’t already?
Browney's back let's go, thanks for the video mate especially in these tough times
@Dacey O'Donnell Legend! Thanks mate.
Bought a ford econovan converted into a camper for my first car last year and have been stuck with it since, worst purchase I ever made.
As soon as my tax return came in I sold it and bought a 2010 xr6 NA and I'm in love, as soon as I took it for a test drive I was sold lol.
As someone who knows fuck all about car and wants to start learning more I want to thank you for these videos, hardly any one uploads videos on NA xr6s and its nice to watch people work on the same car that I'll be taking on in the future ✌
@Mav Morgan Sure your new XR6 is going to feel pretty quick compared to the old Econovan!
I agree, not many people give the NA any attention but, while it's never going to be the quickest, you can definitely have some fun. The mods I've covered should be fairly similar but I'd expect the FG to make more power with the better intake manifold, and will be much quicker again if it has something other than the 4 speed auto. What do I know though, I'm always learning as I go too and am certainly no expert!
Hope you enjoy your new rig mate 👍
I personally can't stop watching your video as I'm taking it step by step
Thank you so much big fan over the ditch new Zealand
Thanks mate! And awesome to see another Kiwi brother watching, there seems to be a few others that drop into the comments as well.
Good luck mate and hope you enjoy the result once done 👍
Nice shed mate, very jealous. Glad to see someone playing with a NA Barra.
Thanks mate, it’s only a small/basic set up but it sure beats the years of working on mum and dads front lawn! Hope you enjoy the channel 👍
Great video, excellant audio, and well edited. Thanks for sharing.
@Yes Man Thanks mate, really appreciate it. Cheers for watching!
Sounds good, if you wanted a touch louder, replace the front muffler with a 14 inch long hotdog muffler👍
Beautifully done Browney! It's always nice when a job goes to plan! I think the note is pretty good too - perfect volume. Any louder on a stock 6 banger might sound a bit iffy. Cant wait to see what all this translates to down the 1/4 (when things eventually open back up..)
Cheers!
Marc
@Meatball Garage Thanks Marc! Was very happy with how smoothly it all went for once! That’s it, louder isn’t necessarily always better unfortunately, I’m happy with it now.
Itching to get back to the track but still got a bit to go - just as well, think I may have some time to kill before I can get!
Maaaaaate! Another good video! But I have a tip for you. Find something else instead of those cable ties to hold the heater hoses away from the exhaust. Over time they will rub their way through the rubber and cut them open. I've seen it happen to steel fuel line. Even if you get some old hose to go between the ties and the heater hose is better than what you have there. I'd hate to see a video of you doing an engine swap or head gasket how to video because of them :) Good work keeping the videos through the "lock down".
@GlensGraphix Hey Glen, thanks mate. Good call, I’ll get on to it... may take me longer than it should but it will happen! Appreciate it mate.
Love it. Getting mine installed on the BF tomorrow. Can’t wait for your next video!
@Matthew Black Awesome! If you get a chance I’d be keen to here how it all goes and what you think of the system, after you’ve had a chance to ply around with it of course 👍
Oh and you’re in luck, new video out tomorrow morning.
Did you need to get it turned afterwards mate
Top show mate. Just got myself an FG sedan. Love all your tips and advice. Cheers
Sweet, enjoy the FG mate they’re great cars. Thanks for watching 👍
Great video mate. Just put a xforce exhuast on my ba and couldnt be happier. Yours sounds great
@Jedd Tatam Thanks mate! XFORCE looks like they make some really nice stuff, good to hear an actual review from someone whose fitted one.
New to your channel. Good to see more aussie content coming out.
Well done with the videos. Keep up the good work
Thanks very much mate, I couldn't find nearly enough Aussie content so decided to try make some myself. Plenty more to come and in the works 👍
I noticed a gain in bottom end power when I had to replace my catalytic convertor (it was throwing P0420 fault code- efficiency below threshold error) so I fitted a hi flow cat from E-Bay cost $60, that alone with factory exhaust made a noticeable difference and was also noticeably louder but not annoying.
Not sure if you’ll see this but what car converter did you buy as my bf xr6 has that same error code
@@cameroncalder4911 Hi Cam, I purchased a simple 100 cell hi flow Cat, stainless can type, you have to purchase a O2 sensor spacer adapter as well to stop the code from returning because 100 cell doesn't meet Euro 3 standard, about $19.
A shame I didn't come across ya sooner, nice mate
Perfect timing mate, few to catch up on and plenty more to come 👍
Hope you enjoy!
Nice keen for more videos one of the best Australian TH-camrs
@OneGreenVY Legend thanks mate, that's very kind. Plenty more to come very soon!
Thanks mate! Love what you’re doing!
Legend, thanks mate 👍
Haha mate I love your sense of humor!
Think i shoulda gotten this exhaust instead of getting the hotdog centre, hotdog makes it way louder then I expected, you picked the right one here browney
@Jakob Lee Thanks Jakob! I sometimes wonder if I should have gone slightly louder as it could be just a touch louder and still be great for me but you've just helped reassure me. Each to their own but I'm with you in preferring these cars to be a little quieter 👍
You mean 1 x rear muffler and 1 x centre hot dog?
Yeh it's because of running only 1 muffler that it's loud. A hotdog actually does reduce the volume, but only across certain frequencies. I used to run a Gemini wagon with just 1 x hotdog in the system, no mufflers. It could be driven in the quiet spots but definitely opened up the noise at mid and high revs. It was quite obnoxious really. You can't get a good note from them. Straight through sports mufflers are the best, but yeh, still quite loud with only one.
Great video man helped me decide what to do with my FG and definitely going to give this option a go!!
@The_Realist_MSV Thanks mate, glad it helped. Definitely very happy with the kit for the price.
Tip for those rusted out bolts:
Crayons!!
Get some crayons or some wax heat up the nut or housing of 02 sensor and jam a crayon in there.
Was having trouble with mine did this and works a treat!
wooo baby loving it keep up the good work
@BGAMERMAX Thanks mate!
maybe i need some of those pipes under my 2 tonne terry, and browney you are not talking to yourself in the garage, you are having a staff meeting. hahaha
@bryan skerry Can't hurt mate, or maybe you should just go for weight reduction as well and remove the exhaust? Kill 2 birds. Haha thanks mate, if that's the case I think staff have been very unhappy with the working conditions out there at the moment!
@@BrowneysGarage my old EF only had the stock headers on at one stage while I replace the engine, it sounded great and scared the s**t out of the neighbours when i fired it up for the first time.
As for the weight, I cant reduce it without cutting a lot out of it, mind you I tink I just added extra weight to it with the sound deadening the doors and heat and sound on the roof
Awesome video mate. I got that exact catback on Gumtree for $70 almost new. Good first mod to the missus fg. Extractors and hi flow cat next!
@Jazzaford Thanks mate! Damn good score there, the rest of the system should really wake it up a bit more. Good luck and enjoy 👍
had contemplated replacing the exhaust system in my Fairmont Ghia S3. mechanic thinks it only needs a weld fix done or section replaced. watching this makes me want to get an aftermarket one lol.
Sounds like the perfect excuse, why not! 👍
Love your work mate!
Please keep the video's coming :)
Thanks mate, I'm working on it 👍. Cheers for watching
Sounds good mate. Nice job 👌👍
@Chris Cumming No XR8 still but it'll do for now 👍
Thank you for sharing. Good one.
Love ypur vid man keen to see what makes down the track
@Tim_ Arnold Thanks mate. Me too, can’t wait till we can get back out there. Few more mods to go before then, hope you enjoy mate
I’m in love with your car
Hope you didn't forget to pickup the camera person/missus at the end there....you just kept going haha. Cheers 4 sharing sir.
A lot of these are only filmed by myself so it’s normally a rush back to the camera before it gets flogged! 🤣 So when I have a helper I make sure they don’t have to walk home… as long as they get the shot
@@BrowneysGarage hahaha atleast ya went back hey...
another kiwi here mate, sweet vids, hey would you benefit much from a tune after this exhaust install? some people tune after every little upgrade to their car, some don't. ??
Awesome, love hearing from our Kiwi mates, and thanks! You would see some benefit from a tune after the exhaust install but you would from stock as well. In saying that you absolutely don't need to in an NA car, and if you plan on doing more mods I would certainly wait for those first. I really couldn't see any reason to tune after each little mod, the money you would spend could go a long way else where and would only really be for small changes in the tune, again at least for an NA car.
Cheers and hope you enjoy what we have coming up mate 👍
Thanks again Mr B
I got mine fitted at workshop for $1500 9y ago on 03BA. It's 3 Inch hotdog output. Police pulled me over around 4 times, got letter from environment protection act that the exhaust is noisy and need to be tested. When tested was 98db and need it to be 90db and below. Managed to get it 94db the guy at the shop gave me certificate it is 90db.
Love the sense of humour XD XD
@Over Flow Legend, glad you do cause the missus sure doesn't! 👍
Great vid. I like the black tips better than Crome. Sounds good 👍
@Chris Smith Thanks mate, will definitely work for now at least! 👍
The muffler in my BA cracked a month or so back and it sounded just like that at 9:20. It's always fun to give it a little blat in your garage but it's pretty embarrassing driving home from work through the city like that. It's bloody deafening too, even inside the car with the windows up. Doesn't matter how easy you take it either. That was a long drive home...
😂 That’s the trade off I guess with louder exhausts. Straight pipes can sound good in a very specific scenario or rev range but rubbish otherwise.
Actually come to think of it are you sure it cracked and you didn’t just try the old ‘free exhaust upgrade’ by drilling a few holes in a muffler!?
Underdrive pulley and tune for up coming videos?
@Finn Sillibourne Got a few more things planned, lets see how much further I can stretch the budget! Thanks for watching mate.
Looks n sounds good!
Could the heat shield not be fitted over new header?
Don't believe it would fit without a decent amount of hackery and bending, could be wrong though. Thanks mate 👍
Thanks for the vid bro
Awesome video mate, did you use any sealant products when connecting all the piping together?
No just the gaskets in each section. Have since removed this exhaust to go turbo and had no signs of exhaust leaks that I could see so seemed to be enough.
You get any drone noises at certain rpm. Had catback it drone with hotdog. I took it off
Nope, hasn't been a problem for me with this one. A big part of going the quieter, 2 muffler system was to try avoid that and it seems to have worked out.
Hey mate love your content,I actually did the same on mine but used the competition pacemakers-venom hi flow cat with redback 2.5" sports exhaust.
Also did the fg inlet manifold at the same time.vids on my J.
Looking forward to seeing more mate👍
@Johnny HCF Just went over to your channel and checked it out. How do you like the FG inlet manifold, did you end up getting it tuned? Much gain in your opinion from the intake?
Thanks for watching mate 👍
Hey Brownie,no haven't had the money to get it tuned yet,but this is the second time I've done the fg manifold,on the ba it has a flat spot down low-but beyond that with the K&N panel filter & exhaust it definitely breathes better. First time was on my Barra swapped XG which had 25% underdrive etc-not tuned but adjusted to drive the auto manually with the tiptronic and it drove incredibly well compared with the BBM.
Sounds so good
@The Sellout Thanks mate, I’ve been really happy with it.
Another awesome video thanks Browney. Just out of curiosity, where did you get the rubber supports on your chassis stands please? I wouldn't mind some like that myself.
@Andrew Green Hey Andrew, thanks mate. I picked them up from the below listed eBay seller out of the UK. Expensive postage but I bought a heap to make it worth while (he's got a load of different sizes including for jacks), and at the time I was looking at option to get something similar going over here but never happened.
I do like the idea and product though so maybe one day I'll revisit it, believe they are machined super solid rubber hockey pucks!
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@@BrowneysGarage , Excellent thanks heaps :-)
Glad I could help mate 👍
Good series of videos. Just wondering if the original heat shield will fit back over the "Pacemaker" headers.
@Alan L Hey mate, thanks for watching. Have never actually tried but have just gone out and had a look to see if it would sit over - doesn't look like it would work, or at least not easily. It dips down too quickly/hugs too close, would need to be bent up but the way it's made I'm not sure how well you'd go doing that.
As an alternative you can pick up universal heat shields to cut and form, something like this - www.carbuilders.com.au/aluminium-embossed-heat-shield
Yes. Mine is set up with the factory shield over the same headers. I have LPG gear hanging around so I guess it's called for. I didn't fit it, but it looks rather snug and has definitely been adjusted with a precision tool : P
Seems like it mostly needed clearance for the 3rd primary pipe from the front of the motor. There are 5 grooves in the shield, and the 2nd groove from the front has been modified to clear that 3rd pipe, seems like. It's been belted out to roughly level in a small area; just a few inches of the lower end of that 2nd groove (closest to the ground). So maybe a third of the groove was flattened out.
The shield may have also been flared / pulled out somewhat along the lower edge towards the rear. It's a bit hard to tell. None of the lower mounting bolts for the shield are fitted obviously, it's just the upper ones holding it on, but it's firm and doesn't rattle or anything. Hope that helps.
You could also thermal wrap them or send them off for a nice and shiny (expensive) ceramic coating.
What I want to know is can you bolt on the factory heatshield after installing the new extractors?
Unlike a lot of people I personally actually like the look of the heatshield attached to the engine, just makes it look more bulky and more powerful haha
Nah you they don’t fit you’ll have to get an aftermarket one
@@victordoran7514 dang
Hey Browney great video mate!
Just wondering how are you finding the exhaust kit after sometime?
Still reckon it could be a bit louder?
Thinking of getting the same kit as the one you use or the one without the front muffler.
Thanks
Thanks mate. Exhaust is going great, very happy with it so far and in hindsight I think it’s the right system for me. Has a great balance of being nice when cruising but noticeably louder when driving it hard, don’t think I’d want to go playing with it now.
@@BrowneysGarage thank you
Mate, you didn't show how the extractors connected to the cat pipe. I'm having issue with my sons 2.5inch cutback exhaust and extractors. It doesn't look like the extractors are going to fit to the cat pipe.
Hey browney-how are your heater hoses holding up with the radiant heat from the extractors? Ive wrapped my fg heater hoses in self adhesive heat shielding to prolong the life of them,i just had a set of wildcat 770 extractors fitted with high flow cat,middle muffler delete going into a 3.5 inch xforce rear exhaust system.
Hey mate, all seems fine with them, not showing any signs of heat damage or getting hard or anything like that so far. Mind you I haven't done a heap of KMs with this setup but has had plenty of heat through them.
I know you went on a budget, but you have twin exhaust diffuser, why did you not get the quad tip kit?
Couple of reasons but you nailed one of the big ones, budget. From memory I don’t think I’ve seen a quad tip/twin exit system for less than $1-1.5k compared to something like $300 for the current cat back.
Add to that that the quad system would then likely need modifying to line up with the end of the cat, which makes it something that not everyone can do at home, that this exhaust setup will likely all be replaced when the car goes turbo and that the rear diffuser and bumper on this car are fairly rough and need replacing anyway.
Too many factors against it for now. Fair question though, if this exhaust was staying I may have been motivated to do it cause it does look great when done right.
Hey browney did you have to silicone your gaskets on the exhaust system ? Cheers
No silicone mate, just the gaskets.
i just got headers installed on my BA,,I feel like the sound got thinner and I am not sure performance wise it made any difference??I had a hot dog and 2,5 inch cat back before headers,,and with headers I have the pacemaker and also a high flow cell,,any ideas why the sound sort of got thinner?
Hey mate if your in vic and looking for a tune to compliment all yours mods id be more then happy to help
@Nick Humphreys Hey Nick thanks mate. Are you able to shot me an email so we can have a chat? browneysgarage@gmail.com
@@BrowneysGarage yeh no worries
Hi Nick I’m in Vic I would like mine tuned also
Hey Browney, slim chance you see this but im putting a ba back together and was wondering if you recall the size bolts used to connect the exhaust manifold to the stock cat converter, thanks mate.
I saw it! My factory manifold has studs, just measure the exposed end as M10 x 1.25 so hopefully same both ends. Hope that helps, good luck mate.
@@BrowneysGarage thanks mate really appreciate it!
Hey mate fantastic work I'm not sure if this will be answered I have a lpg system so I have alot more heater hoses will my hoses burn if there right to the exhaust there not touching the exhaust but they are close any answers from anyone will be appreciated
Interesting, never seen pacemakers on a late model falcon before. Do they come with longer primary version? These seem really sort for what I have known pacemaker to make.
I was expecting more of a raspy sound to be honest but still sounds better than the stock egg beater sound that's for sure.
Great video man gonna do the same thing on my BF love those Falcons
Awesome mate, glad you enjoyed and they’re great cars.
4480 pacemakers and a cat back 2.5" hotdog with straight rear pipe with the same 100 cell cat you are using
Real nice.
Gather the factory heat shields wouldn't fit ?
Not from what I could see sorry mate.
@@BrowneysGarage Hey it's all good, chances are i wouldn't be able to use the factory heat shield which i was hoping i'd be able to lol
Can always get some of the universal heat shield material and bend/cut to the shape you need?
Hey Browny! I got what you got with the catback, but instead of another replacement centre-muffler, I accidentally got a straight piped through the centre. Do you think this would be too loud with a set of same headers that you have installed? Cheers , Max.
I think it would have been too loud for me personally and may have been a little droney. Hard to say for sure though, and it’s big time a personal preference thing… oh and I’m getting old so that’s a factor too 🤣
I have that exhaust but did rear muffler delete not bad system ay 👌
Just wondering did you use the standard gasket when installing the headers? Cheers
No problem mate, just used a new genuine Ford gasket so yes just standard.
Sweet cheers mate
Don’t they make this package for a fg???cant seem to find it. 😩
Hmm I couldn't see it listed as a kit for FG, but looks like they do each individual component.
Maybe shoot them an e-mail and see if they can put a complete kit and price together?
@@BrowneysGarage ok thanks mate. 😀👌
@@Recklessbah i got one for my fg no worries. looked on ebay and got the flow through center muffler with muffler delete together. gonna get it installed in a couple of days
@@coreyhargravebrady8011 yer I found its individual. Are u getting pacemakers??
@@Recklessbah I’m just testing the waters with this to see if it’s a cop magnet or not first😂 I’m thinking of getting them once I know how it sounds. It’s not like browney’s where it has two mufflers in the kit
Yeah the boat!
Good job
What's the approx cost of the kit ?
like the headers they look well made
@Duncan Cameron All costs are in the video description but the kit was $950 (ebay.to/2V2XID0) plus about $50 for the extra manifold gasket and oxygen sensor plug I used.
Headers are great, Pacemaker have been doing this for a long time 👍
I noticed you put loctite on the o2 sensor, do you need to put any on the bolts to the heads?
@Sam MacDonald Hi Sam, that was anti-seize on the O2 sensor. They get a decent amount of moisture and corrosion and can be a real pain to remove at times so it's handy to do this if you can.
Rest of the system was assembled without any loctite, have done so in the past with no dramas.
Thanks for watching mate.
Apparently they dont work for LPG, (thats what the website says) Do i have any options or am I stuck with Factory?
@Lakota Perrone Hey mate, I believe this is due to clearance issues with the converter. Perhaps it's possible with or without moving this and I don't have any personal experience with this but I'm not aware of any kit advertised as LPG equipped car friendly.
If you try a knowledgeable exhaust shop like DEA they may be able to give you a concrete answer/solution though? Good luck mate
I run these headers and aftermarket LPG (Vialle) with no problems.
Are the revs any lower then before the upgrade like mine is 2000revs at 110 kilometres per hour with just standed what would it be lower with the performance exhaust system and extractors?
Hi Browney, Did you use a standard header gasket from ford? They told me they only have the one sort. Can I mention your name in my video when I install my exhaust system. You have shown me a lot to fix my car, I have a bf xr6. Thanks for all your help mate. Maybe I can buy you a beer one day we are both in Vic
@jade saccuzzo Hey mate, that’s right just the standard Ford gasket.
Of course you can, no problem at all. Let me know when it’s out, I’ll definitely check it out.
Glad I’ve helped mate, I’m just a backyard hack working it out as I go like most of us! Cheers
Browney's Garage, thanks mate. I will let you know when I post the video
Hi again Browney, iv got a problem. Can you please help. New exhaust kit like yours only with a hot dog, New oxygen senses, and my Engine light has come on? Where should o go from here?
@@DAWNDCREW Hi Jade. Bugger, being a later BF I’m guessing it has 2 oxygen sensors?
Sorry I’ve overlooked this as I haven’t had to deal with it on mine. That second sensor as far as I know (and remember I’m no expert!) is for diagnostics, that is checking the cat is functioning as expected rather than for fuel adjustments. Cat now flows better/is cleaning less exhaust gases and so it thinks there’s a cat issue.
Tuners will normally turn off this second sensors function, and this is the ideal solution. Can be done to just remove this and not have a full tune done I believe if you don’t want to go down that path and you find a good tuner happy to help, not sure on cost but less than a full tune obviously.
Alternatively you can try one of the below adapters on that rear oxygen sensor (all much the same and plenty from other companies about too, have just given different angles depending on what will best suit you). I can’t guarantee this will work but the idea seems sound and has been done on many different models as well, and of course is much cheaper again. These add some further catalyst material before it gets to that sensor, hopefully making the sensor think the cat is running efficiently.
Up to you if you try the cheaper option, honestly I probably would if I wasn’t going to get a tune in the future, but just bear in mind that using the cheaper solution sometimes means you pay twice!
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What jack stands did you use trying to find 4 good ones to help with lifting my xr6
Nothing special, 2 are Kincrome 3T I believe and the others I've had for that long I couldn't be sure, think they're a Total Tools brand of probably 3-4T again.
Hello mate..those 449 pace maker.. Can they be fitted to a territory also
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Their website lists the same part number so I believe so.
Good video bro
@Goldyzzz Z Thanks mate 👍
Hi Browney What size sockets need to take off cat pipe and exhaust please
Hey mate, if we're doing this for the first time is there anything you can emphasise to double check. I would be installing a system on my au xr6. Has a stuffed head gasket right now and I'm gonna get it back on the road eventually but I feel like experimenting with the exhaust while it's just sitting around. I've heard 4480s are good with a middle or rear muffler delete.
Double check as far as removing/fitting? Hard to get too much wrong but getting the rear section over the diff can be tough, watch for rusted bolts wanting to snap (penetrant and heat may help, some may be unavoidable though) and of course be careful of cross threading/over tightening in the softer head material.
On muffler setup, my old EB had middle muffler and rear resonator which I was happy with, depends on muffler styles too of course though.
I’ve been giving a 2inch xforce catback that brand new I have the same ones on already what could I do to modify it to make louder, sorry about the dumb question but I’m new to car scene and I wanna make my ba sound a bit louder
Could remove a muffler and replace it with a straight section of pipe or a resonator, any exhaust shop could do it fairly cheap if you can’t yourself. You’ll get a million opinions on what sounds good and not and it’s all personal preference, see if you can find sound clips of cars you like and be careful of going too loud - often sounds good for a while/at the right times but can become a real headache quickly.
Hey mate, just wondering what the xforce sounds like, been looking into it a fair bit but I’m worried it just won’t be loud enough
how does this system compare to a stock system with a muffler delete?
Haven't personally owned a car with one but my brother had a mid muffler delete of his BA Turbo for a bit.
All personal preference but it was probably a bit loud for me and would drone a little at cruise/lower speeds. I prefer the note of the system I have now too, maybe a bit deeper.
Plenty of videos around and people who have posted sound clips on groups though, see what sounds best to you. Good luck mate 👍
Should do a gps install or alarm install 🧐
Did you noticed better low end torque?
Was a while ago now but from memory a little, real gains were in the mid and top end though.
Nice detailed video mate, can i fit these on BF falcon ute?
Not this system specifically, but they will have a near identical system to suit utes. The rear section of the exhaust will be different to suit the rear axle differences between utes and sedans. Thanks for watching mate!
Bit off topic and late, but why is my 03 ba immobiliser light flashing, and doesn’t allow me start the car
Any changes in economy ?
Browney do you have any idea what that ticking noise is when you start it up after you put on the exhaust system? I have it too cant figure it out
@Simon Gruevski I believe it’s injector or lifter tick, or a combination of both. Seems to be fairly typical in these to varying degrees.
If you find out for sure though let me know!
Browney's Garage i tried the “quiet lifter noise bottle” but doesn’t seem to help. I guess i just have to deal with it🤷♂️
@Simon Gruevski If I ever find a fix I'll let you know but as long as it doesn't cause any issues I'll go on in ignorant bliss 🤣
@ty tee Thanks mate, all good points 👍. I’d been meaning to reply in here actually, found when I was changing spark plugs that not all the rubbers between the coils and coil cover were there and sorting this has made things a bit quieter under there... not perfect, but seems that was some of it at least!
Hey Browney i’ve noticed a significant bit of lag when applying a large amount of throttle even having it in first gear any idea as to what it could be? i’ve had a very solid look online and most point towards the injectors but i’m not 100% certain what i do know for sure is that it’s definitely a fuel related issue and it’s seems to be most profound around the engine block itself i don’t really notice any signs that it could be a sticky pump as i’ve replaced the pump recently; another noticeable thing is a very gassy smell from the exhaust but no signs of leakages from fuel lines or anything like that any sort of help would be appreciated.
Get your gearbox serviced. I had same issue, a gearbox service from a reliable professional did justice for me.
How hard is it to go from a BF manual to ZF trans? Sick of the manual.
@Gregoire Soler Sorry mate I've never done it or looked into it. Last conversion I did was the other way, BTR to T5, and it was E-series stuff so dead easy - that's going to be quite a bit more difficult I'd say.
I feel that will be the best option. Too much hassle converting the transmission. Is there going to be a turbo upgrade soon? :) :)
@Gregoire Soler Stay tuned to find out 😉
Would pacemaker extractors and then just cutting out a muffler and adding a high flow cat do the same thing, I wanna keep my shit stock as possible
@Benson Hedges Imagine you’d be pretty close performance wise but would probably be a decent bit louder. May even be pretty close to the price of the full system though if you get someone to to cut and replace the muffler, up to you though. Good luck 👍
Browney's Garage cheers, thanks for your thoughts man
Mine has rear muffler deleted and it’s not that much louder
Sharon S got the centre muffler cut out the other day and replaced it with a hotdog
Way better off with a full system and good quality mufflers / cats. Cat delete is even better.
Hey browney just wondering will have to get the whole system or non
@Alick Lambeth Yes and no. If you're just going cat back then this will likely bolt up to the stock gear (just confirm with manufacturer before ordering). If you're going headers/extractors then the cat section will need to be cut and re welded, which will obviously cost money unless you can do it yourself at which stage you may just be better off upgrading the rest.
you should remove the rear muffler and put in a 3 inch straight pipe
what happens if you dont plug that second oxy sensor? leak or something?
I got a ba wagon do you think this would fit without having to extend any piping
Not that simple I'd say, different diff makes the rear section guaranteed to be different and I believe the front section will be as well. Same same for headers/extractors and maybe cat section. Easy enough to get exhaust for wagon anyway though.
Jus got me a ba where shud I start for upgrades
What was the sound like inside of the car?
Where did you get the extractors bolts from
Came as part of the kit, standard with the Pacemakers from memory. Pretty standard hardware though and the specs should be online somewhere if you need them by themselves, don’t have them handy at the moment sorry.
Love the vid looking at doing the same or maybe the mid muffler delete for a bit more sound. anyone tried the single muffler version by chance
Thanks mate. Plenty running single muffler or middle muffler delete about I believe, may even be some other videos on here?
@@BrowneysGarage been looking but only finding vids of turbo models either way loving the series gonna use a few of your ideas for my bf
Does anyone know if a xr6 exhaust is the same as a ford falcon bf xt exhaust?
Only difference will be the very rear tip area. XR have a cut out in the bumper, XT likely won't and needs to be dumped down to suit. DEA/most exhaust shops should have the same system with allowance for this to suit though if you look for it or let them know when you order.
Where's the link for the site
Does anyone know the best exhaust system for a fpv gt im trying to get one with a deep Tone medium loudest but can’t find one I like
@Maximum occupancy 120 Haven’t really compared sound or looked into it but wasn’t Di Filippo the go for these at one stage? Not sure if you can still get your hands on one, maybe have a search over at FordForums.com.au for more info if you haven’t already?
Browney's Garage yeah I can only find really good ones for holden that have a deep Tone in it
I can’t get the steering shaft back on it doesn’t extend and reach all the way down. Anyone got pointers ASAP
I'm struggling to get mine off did you manage to get back on?
Will it fit on an 05 ba wagon?