The Kingkiller Chronicle | The Adem - Lore and Theories
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ม.ค. 2020
- This video contains spoilers for The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss.
One of the treats of reading fantasy is learning about fascinating peoples and cultures. One such culture from the Kingkiller Chronicle is the Adem.
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Kvothe: "I know by heart the first ninety sympathetic bindings. I can double-distill, perform titration, calcify, sublimate, and precipitate solution. I am well versed in history, argument, grammars, medicine, and geometry."
Penthe: "Where do babies come from?'
Kvothe: "Beg your pardon?"
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I think that the Ardem attitude towards music and loud voices is largely due to the fact that ardemra is a windy country and shouting becomes not only a waste of time but eventually secondary to physical closeness and the motions of the hands. Add that to the likelihood of being able to get an emotional expression across while the wind is in your face and hair and the whole thing falls into place.
The other explanation i liked is that the Adem and Ruh both value sound, but treasure it in different ways.
The Adem find it precious. It is something to be treasured, protected, and kept private.
The Ruh find it wonderful. It is something to be shared with all.
@@taishoukinjiro i like your idea. i had a short lived theory that they were influenced by the member of the chandrian who never speaks, though.
I like the possibility of all these things. I had thought the the Ruh and the Adem were the same, just polar opposites . The Ruh are in complete control of themselves, and totally expressive. The Adem while in total control, their expression takes the form of extreme will to action. I think at one time, maybe the two groups were of one family.
I love how the audio book reader gave the Adem a somewhat Swedish accent, like they're a society of hyper skillful warrior Swedish Chefs.
I am calling it. The Edema Ruh/Adem are the exiled Knowers from the Creation War. The Lethani is both descriptive and prescriptive. It is the one story all others are a piece of. The Adem are fixed on knowing the Lethani. Knowing the Lethani is keeping and learning from History. The Edema Ruh, perhaps, began as teachers who taught the Lethani (that is, recited history and moral lessons) through plays.
The Amyr and Adem are closely related. The Amyr follow/embody the Lethani. Think of the Lethani as stage direction and performance. Skill relies on both propositions (linguistically and imagistically* encoded?) and sensorimotor articulations**... *Kvothe sang colours to a blind man.
Perhaps Yllish knots are trace back to Ergen and are akin to Sygaldry, but they make states of affairs/stories true/happen for being proposed in knot form. **Consider that actual sensorimotor articulations and imagined sensorimotor articulations activate identical brain regions; the same is true of imagine speech and real speech, if I am not mistaken...
Very interesting! I like your theory about the Amyr/Adem connection and hadn't thought about the Yllish knots like that. What I love about these books is how so many pieces fit together.
Alex Markadonis this theory is similar to the main creatures from The Dark Crystal. I thought of them when hearing the origin story.
@@strictlyfantasy Yeah, it feels like there's only 1 giant puzzle at the center of the plot and every subplot is but a piece to be fit in it. The only problem is the question is not very clear, let alone the answer.
i read the books at least once per year. I never thought about that. Thank you so much for that.
"One side valued strict teachings of discipline and control, whereas the other puts a high emphasis on public displays of affection, music and passion."
"In fact, the need for the Adem to hide their emotions may stem from the teachings of the lethani."
"According to Skarpi, it was Lanre's grief for the death of his wife, Lyra, that drove him to reek havoc apone the world. Such passion is dangerous, especially when couples with extreme power."
Bit of a correction when you talked about the Adem calling singing Taboo. It's not in fact, but singing is viewed to the Adem as the rest of the world viewed sex. This was even mentioned by Vashet when she asked Kvothe what he did when she inspected his hands. She laughed and called him a "whore" which confused Kvothe.
For the Adem, someone's voice and facial expression and even more so emotional expression are the most intimate things one can share in their culture. And what is the one medium that can evoke great emotion in the setting? Music and song. To the Adem, singing and playing music publicly is akin to someone in the rest of the world stripping down and having sex in public.
Vashet even said (not the exact quote, but close) "We do not sing, only when two are very much in love and very much alone"
It's like a very religiously conservative person talking about sex after marriage, though I don't recall the Adem having any official ties for marriage, but that's basically how they view music, not that it's dirty or taboo, but an expression of the deepest intimacy only to be shared among very close loved ones.
You're both right. The distinction is between private and public. Having sex in public is still taboo in our society...mostly lol
I do love the Fremen, err, Aiel, err, Adem. Joking aside, I do love this book series.
As far as the link between the Adem and the Edema Ruh, that is almost straight out of the Wheel of Time. I don't want to post spoilers but there are two groups that are very similar to these that are linked in the same way.
my thought too
@@rmarieshen862 What do adem and fremen have in common other then being great warriors and being closed off?? Nothing I believe, or is there more ?
@@paulbierschenk6350 I was thinking of the Aiel parallels.
The Lethani always struck me as being inspired by Tao (or Dao if you prefer). They're not the same but have similarities.
I thought Zen, but yeah, I see the influence of Eastern philosophy
Definitely struck me as Daoism and tai chi inspired
@@joshfloyd7755 to be fair, Zen takes a lot of influences from Daoism.
@@AlexGoldhill trying to separate Daoism from Eastern philosophy would be like taking the sand out of glass.
I always thought more as Bushido because the Lethani also fundamental for their warrior philosophy
The idea that the Adem don't know how human procreation works is just insane to me. Just breaks my suspension of disbelief.
Not my theory and I apologize to whoever came up with it but I once saw an explanation that works.
Basically Adem women who are actively serving dont become pregnant and it's not until they retire that they can have children, right?
There is a real world condition called athletic amenorrhea. Essentially if a womans body fat is below a certain level ovulation does not occur and therefore no pregnancy. The body "decides" for lack of a better term that there isnt enough spare fuel to carry out a pregnancy.
Adem warriors are said to be EXTREMELY fit with the women being the pinnacle. This satisfies things physiologically and also aligns with the Adem belief that a woman wont become pregnant until she chooses/is ready/retires.
It bothered me so much that the Adem seem so wise yet they have this one belief about procreation I just could not wrap my head around.
@@jschoma11 this was my understanding while reading also
@@jschoma11 you can literally not have a period from being too athletic.
@@jschoma11 yeach but they are not fittnes Masters, they are warriors, if they fat in the body would be that low, they would be usless on the battlefield, becouse they would simply faint.
The warriors NEED fat, not only for the organism to works, but also for the long journeys.
The person with a Little bit of fat can survive longer than a "fit" person, becouse...
Guess this for yourself.
Edit:
For example look at the culturist.
They have so Little fat during contest, that they are on the verge of fainting.
I believe there may be something we don't know about yet (physical, magical, dietary, genetic) that causes their women to either miscarry early in the pregnancy so they don't know about it or causes them to ovulate only very rarely.
Something like this could explain their attitudes toward sex. If they struggle to have babies then they will have alot of sex to compensate.
Soon they are having sex with lots of people. A few generations later you have a culture that has forgotten what sex is actually for and is just a pastime with no consequence for either party.
Our culture figured out what sex meant before we knew the science of it because we saw the cause and effect. Now imagine a woman who has had sex once a week in the past decade with nothing happening now suddenly she is pregnant. They won't make the connection that it's because she had sex.
The "Anger" is a remnant of the past knowledge that a woman needs a man to make babies, but it is so lost in their philosophy that they have forgotten the actual cause.
It could be that the third group of the ruach were tasked with spreading the knowledge of what had happened and ensuring it never died. The edema are tellers of stories, passing on legends to all people of the land, while the Adem are guardians of ancient secrets. This could be another reason for why they split, disagreement on what to do with their knowledge.
So cool! just on my second re-read of awmf ☺️ enjoying your kingkiller videos!
Thank you :)
Thank you. I've been waiting for more!
I just discovered your channel today. Your Kingkiller videos are awesome! Please keep making them!
I think you might be a genius. This kind of theoretical discussion enthralls me as a reader and (obviously) completely intimidates me as a writer. I'm so glad I finally found your channel. I'm currently binging all your KKC videos.
The Adem are fore sure as old as Lanre. The battle where Lanre kills the monster and dies and get resurrected by Lyra, the battle of Drossen Tor in German, is the same battle as one of the people from the atas of kvothe swords dies
Now the Adem are definitely inspired by other fantasy fighting cultures like the Aiel. But as for as I know, the language is original and very interesting.
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Nice catch about the adem and edema ru
Love your channel you have helped me so much
Can we talk about how if they really don’t know how babies are made they could be doing it and procreating with half siblings and half cousins?
Suscribed just fot the kkc videos! nice!
Just a quick correction: you mentioned that the Adem are paid about 5 times more than the average mercenary. They're actually paid 20-30 times more. Tempi mentions that he gets paid about 2 or 3 jots a day, while Tam says that he gets paid 2 coins a day, and that's above average.
Awesome
I love you content you're making me want to do a reread
Same
Were there any Adem hand signals on the jar that was shown at the wedding, where everyone was killed. Perhaps the hands told something that wasn't to be told.
While the culture is so fascinating and I especially loved when the Adem thought being like us was so difficult like when to I smile and how long do I hold eye contact. but this was definitely the weakness part of the two books for me. I listened to the audio book not that long ago and hearing "the lethani" 700 times did my head in.
Absolutely amazing. Dude you should make a video Every day
I'd love to, but a man's gotta work for a living ;)
Waiting for third one
I wonder if Adem is similar to the Aiel from Wheel of Time?
Make some The Doors of Stone prediction videos!!
HECK YEAH.
Ruach is literally an ancient Hebrew word for spirit. It doesn't mean people it means spirits. Some became angels, some the first Amyr, some the fae and some turned Into the first people (humans) sometime later.
lol thats Fiddler's squad in 7:28
why is the backround music louder than the voice?
I think the Aden’s curious take on reproduction or creation comes from an ancient understanding or schism between the makers and the seers. When Kvothe has his exchange with the women, he may not be understanding how they see the creation of something. Sort of the same way the Adem see the difference between barbarians and people.
The contrast between the two peoples reminds me of the concept of the Apollonian and Dionysian
Ah yes. The Italian Ninjas of the Kingkiller universe.
Ademre
Edema Ruh
It's also funny how the rest of the world's nobility consider the Edema Ruh barbarians while the Adem consider the rest of the world and its noblity barbarians themselves.
I mean no disrespect but the Adem/ Adema Ru and the music thing is a lot like the Aiel/ the GenAiel and weapons/killing...
The Adem and the Edema Ruh give me such Aiel / Tuatha'An vibes haha
Their thinking on how babies are made was a little ridiculous. Other than that, very cool.
I find the Adem's views on reproduction fascinating
This seems interesting but I can't understand English so good, could be cool that we can find this with subtle in Spanish
This is done by an individual, maybe a fun project to translate some subtitles to Spanish?
@@jt364 I could try to translate to Spanish if I had the subtle in English
Hola mohh
That large crossguard on the Adem mercenary picture bothers me. None of their swords have such a large guard, as it would make much of the Ketan impossible.
You made a huge mistake, you think the Adem restrain their emotions but thye don't, they just express them in a different way. You can smile or express that you're sad, angry and so on with your hands in adem, therefore they don't suppress their emotions and your theory of thye trying to protect themselves from a "Second Lanre" has a wrong conclussion, although it does have the right bases.
Soooo they are mostly like my family, more or less at least
Bud it isn’t lawnray it’s the shadow dancers controlling them
I think what he's trying to clear up is something that's caused a lot of confusion to some people about Shehyn's story: how many cities were there? People get confused by the "There were seven cities and one city" and all that jazz. As far as I understand there was Lanre who tried to convince 7 others to betray the Ergen empire but 1 of them didn't, making the Chandrian Lanre + 6.
But regarding the skin dancers theory, I personally think Lanre was so desperate he went to the doors of stone and somehow allowed Iax (who I'm thinking was a skin dancer) inside him, that's why Lanre went from no naming prowess to being able to bound Selitos for days. That and the idea that Haliax means breath of Iax, as in Iax is the one talking (using naming) though him.
Admittedly the Adem were my least favourite culture from the kingkiller chronicles
Hybris same. I am on that part right now and I can’t wait for it to be over
@@arletbode4847 Yeah I just did not like them very much, they seamed to be a martial culture lead by women which dose not make much sense if you look at martial cultures throughout history all were male dominated, you could explain it away with magic somehow but the author dose not do this.
Maybe because he's not sexist.
@@hybris8383 The point about fiction, and in particular fantasy, is to explore things that don't happen in the real world. As far as I know no culture has developed breakable money (1 penny can be broken into 2 halfpennies, same for a bunch of other coins)
@@pairot01 In the middle ages they cut coins if the denomination was to large so that did exist, what I mean is there was not really an explanation of why it was a martial culture. It would have been fine if he mentioned a magical difference in how their fighting style worked to make women better than men at it but he did not, when you break a rule in fantasy you need to give an explanation of why that rule was broken. It dose not have to be a very complex explanation they just have to mention that there is some difference here between a fantasy world and a non fantasy world that makes it how it is.
audio is too low, my phones speaker is on max volume and i can barely hear it,
if kvothe was not already a gary stu, make him a deadly martial artist and force sentient while you´re at it
Cool video. Pronunciations are wrong. KVOTHE...K'Vothe not quothe, Katen...Ka Ten, not K10, etc. There is a video of Mr. Rothfuss giving the correct pronunciations.
I hope you know how pedantic you come off as
@@pairot01
That wasn't my intention. I felt the video was good but that constantly hearing the names being mispronounced was distracting. Although looking back I see your point and that it wasn't exactly the best constructive criticism.
You forgot to mention a couple of the most interesting aspects of the Adem society. The women are the dominant gender and the best fighters. Also, sex to them is just a thing that happens and is regarded as normal as like a handshake or a hug.
i really hated this arc in the book grrr
Just chiming in to say that the artwork picked is martially useless and portrays fighters that are competent in the books as utter fools who'd get stabbed in the next moment, realistically thinking.