The Grumpy Guide To Class - Part Two
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The Grumpy Guide To Class, a fascinating and amusing look at the sometimes confusing British class system.
Broadcast: 02 October 2007
I loved the black and white footage of the children. So polite. I hope they all grew up to have happy and fulfilling lives.
"A house in the country and a country house are not the same thing." -Gertrude Stein. xoxo
I'm American and I'm loving this. The whole series is fabulous!
I'm Mexican-American upper class living in a gated community..If im out working in my front yard, a stranger will still sometimes slow, roll their window and ask for a quote for front and back yard!
The British are hilarious...in British sort of way. I’m very fond of them; I do wish I could travel round Blighty for any length of time, and study the natives in their natural habitat.
Get on a plane and go on UK Safari!
I'm Welsh living in Wales in Britain.👋. ....we are funny especially the valleys boyo.😂
@@jaynestag95 no you're not.
Wayne and Waynetta Slob weren't working class; they didn't work! They would be referred to now as the Underclass lol
Martin J Cooney
LOL
Martin J Cooney HaHa. Is there an over class or is it overlord? What about there hangers on? The pensioners, there real hangers on. Really they are literally hanging on.
The old school Marxists used to call them Lumpenproletariat.
I’m working class with upper class tendencies
This was such a laugh and so true from a middle class person who hates the daily mail!
The Daily Mail doesn't seem middle class to me, it is working class people who have done alright for themselves, plumbers and builders' wives.
Is there still middle class? Wales
The way Anne Widdecombe says 'Wayne' - hahaha!
Yes. How hilarious the utter contempt she has for the people she's trying to solicit votes from right now.
Working, middle or upper class, the British all aspire to live in old (looking) houses. This doc is proof. A contemporary design house is hard to find/sell in Britain.
GrumpyOldMan any more that's changing
Love these yes, it has character. You cant ‘buy’ character ..... so its appealing. New and shiny will always be second
That's because the British and Europeans have a keep appreciation for classic beauty, history and good taste. Modern architecture is so sterile and soulless.
It's tongue in cheek and done with a sense of humour so that means it's accurate.
2:43 Such sweet children. Seems all Hyacinth Bucket to me.
Adorable.
Interestingly though, to my non-British ear, they all sounded similar, regardless of what their father did. Does the variation in accent develop as they age?
2:50 "hes a solicitor sir" haha that kid cracked me up!!!
He already looks like a solicitor lol
Definitely my mother and my grandmother! Can marry anyone that isn't the same race or religion but never outside your class lol! 😂😂 I can hear their voices now! I marry whoever I'll bloody well like lol!
She’s so obviously vulgar and lower class.
"We used to dream of living in a corridor!" hahahahahaha
I don't think that wages make you one class or another to me a brick layer is working class no matter how much they earn
I particular liked the name tag 'Hugo Ponsemby' being sown into a school jumper.
i really like this documentary. i enjoyed watching it. thanks for uploading it.
I didn't realise names were so class-loaded. I don't think they used to be, when looking through old records all classes use the same names, Elizabeth, Susannah, Rebecca, Mary, Joseph, Jacob.....whether they are workhouse inmates or aristocrats.
In the posh resort of Newport, RI in the 1890s and early 20thC, one brought only one or two servants as one's direct support while spending the season with friends at one of the many seaside mansions ("cottages") there. But often enough, it was necessary to have the assistance of one's host's own chauffeur, gardener, upstairs maid, etc. to get through the day. Fun Fact: The servants at these great houses all had names, of course -- but their personal names were not used in calling/referring to them! Rather, their ROLE IN THE HOUSE had a fixed name assigned to it (across all or most of the houses), and these roles -- and by extension, the names -- all fit into a well-recognized hierarchy. You could always summon the help you needed without ever having to learn the true names of the myriad of unfamiliar servants. Typically, the butlers were all called Charles; the next most senior male servant was Edward; the next in rank IIRC was James; the housekeeper was always Elizabeth, and the most junior of the female charwomen and kitchen help were collectively called Mary! I believe things worked similarly in the great homes of New York City as well. This is perhaps the most fascinating thing (and the thing most revelatory of the nature of class) I've ever learned.
Lady Marjorie: I wonder what sort of people they are? Hudson: Oh, middle class m'lady but quite respectable.
James Willett Ha ha. My aristocratic grandmother had a saying, that any who didn't know if they were upper or working class had to be middle class, and she couldn't wish them worse than that.
here's a class difference:
Upper class do not fart
Middle class may not fart
working class can laugh at their farts
Disgusting
The English middle class send their offspring to public schools (those are the most expensive private schools BTW -who knows why?) usually boarding schools, in order for that offspring to be taught to be more upper-class and to despise their parents middle-classness!
North-England-ford-shire, haha
I think the little boy when the man was asking what does your daddy do? and he replies postman was so cute! x
Bec Locket And painful to watch too
They were all adorable
Love it lol 😂 net curtains were very working class ! The curtains were washed every week to keep white ! Apparently if not the neighbours would assume the house was filthy with no pride ! Do you call the room lounge or front room or sitting room etc 😀so so British !!
It's a parlour!
Living room
Interesting, very. The replies from children, ages ago, are fantastic.
at 8:00 that woman is hilarious! 😂
Don't be fooled by the interior, or indeed exterior (to a lesser extent), of houses belonging to people who have been posted overseas for a time in the military. People think my parents are rolling in it when they visit their house because they have furniture that would cost a fortune if they bought it here. They bought it cheap as hell in Malaysia, and the same goes for everyone else who was posted there.
DreamBelief same here, stuff from all over cheap as chips where we bought it but looks expensive back in the UK - hell, we don’t even own a house (Which I suppose by British standards must make us scum)
I hear you. Friends of ours have enough elaborately-carved hardwood furniture, framed mirrors, and dripping chandeliers to make a Parisian madam jealous, but they bought it all years ago, custom-made in India for small money, and hauled it around the world with them for several years before settling down in an American suburb.
I wouldn't be caught dead buying a "scratch ticket." How common.
I’m too cheap. Not going to spend a dollar buying nothing
Posh name nowadays in Portugal is Maria, oddly it was the name used for the maids in the old days.
Don't know much about mom,s side in Hungary.Dad,s side in Germany has a family history book relatives in Nuremberg keep.Thry were land holders, petty court officials crafts men and military men including two generals.They are entitled to use von in their name.One relative in the 1690s in Garmisch, had been a burger meister and also served as a steward to the Grand Duke of Bavaria.You find Hilda, Emma, Juliana, Apollonia, Barbara,etc.Fredrick, Fridolin, Johann, Georg, Ferdinand, Michael, Melchoir, Balthazar, Reinhold, etc.All German named, and many are saints names.Dadfy once said his family was a German version of the English landed gentry.I know some relatives on his mother,s side were knights according to German records.
Is it bad that I learn a lot about britsh society through this show? I mean, am I getting a biased wiew?
I'm from Sweden so I been over a few times, and it seems kind of accurate.
Think middle class is over and done with now.....Wales in Britain.👋
Thank you for uploading this!
Class? Nope
Money? Nope
Breeding? Yep, but what's the point; I have nothing to show for it.
😂😂😂 Soo funny!! I love it! I often think I'm an aristocrat from Niue! Haha honestly! Not a cent to my name, yet I see my self a Prince, doesn't everyone? ❤️ Very amusing video. Thanks awfully 😂😂😂😘😘😘
Brilliant :) good job guys
I have been a political refugee but went to Cambridge and read law and then into the City and off to UN. I have more than 300 books at home including some written by obscure German Philosopher. I have a received pronunciation -what was the BBC English. Question which class do I belong to?
hahaha! SoulMan786
The scumbag class. All lawyers are scum.
Peasant
I can't seem tuh muster up enough...brain constipation... tuh care...chum!
You finally became a real person, who cannot be defined by class. (Which is the perfect place to be.)
Thank you ,this is wonderful.!
Really funny, watching from my horse at the Polo match.
2:53 - the young Malfoy :P
Oh Sebastian :)
Strange a footballer earns more than a surgeon and a plumber earns more than a solicitor.
That's due to the USA and Media - they are Celebs.
USA - here and - of course its insane - but its the Ego of the Public and the Cunning of the Media to profit from us - every chance the get.
Plumbers deserve to earn more than a solicitor. At least plumbers are providing an actual service.
Even the Queen wants a working water closet!
@@Sunshine-zm1fx Most plumbers in the UK now do but only in Zloty which they convert their pounds to
@@Sunshine-zm1fx As long as they are not cowboys,the solicitors well????!!!!
The guy with the diarrhoea eyebrows looks like Wayne Newton and sounds like Tyrion Lannister.
It is ALL ABOUT - *E-G-O*
Humans have largely overlooked the subject of Parenting/Teaching Balance:
Human Ego Mindedness - which can be quite Adolescent - as it is the Lower Mind and requires some fostering to ensure the Emotional Development reaches Maturity.
Many miss Teaching the Value of *"Conscious Application of Thought with a Standard of Ethics to achieve Mature Mindedness"* - "the Higher Mind" - among the Upper Class it is noticable, and largely the Upper Middle Class seem to be absent on this subject" as they are preoccupied by material statement Ownership's and Social Climbing.
It is worth noting that the Owners of MS News Media and the Central Bamks are aware of this - as they play straight to it for manipulating the Public - it the Psychology of Advertising applied to Commentary News to steer opinion, gain viewers, profit from Produced Subjects that evoke opinion emotional - especially Political Subjects.
Bait the Ego - gain the reaction. There's Profit in Prejudice...
USA - "Sociologist/Journalist"
England isn't any different to any other country when it comes to wealth class divide we're just more honest and obsessed with it.
SILVERCLOUD141 it is actually
But in England class is less about wealth than in many other countries. In England, different classes are different subcultures - how you speak, the words you use, how you dress, your manners, how you interact with others, your pastimes, the sports you play or follow, the breed of dog you own, etc, etc. You can be president of a major international corporation and a multi-millionaire yet still be instantly recognisable as working class. Wealth is quite strongly correlated with class in England, but it's not what defines it.
In the U.S. poor people waste plenty of money on scratch off and other lottery tickets. Middle class and rich people don't waste money like this. They know more about managing money, and that's why they're doing better financially - generally speaking.
Yes, you are right !
You can bet your bottom dollar that generally speaking rich people or middleclass have had a huge kick start in life ie inheritance and want to hang onto it, while poor or working class will try any way to have a better life like the so called upper classes.
Notice how the children have respect and show a very modest demeanor not like the sorry excuse for youths we have now.
ive worked all my life doing various jobs, i consider myself working class and wear it as a badge of honour even though i live in a middle class neighbourhood and have a few bob, i get the best of both worlds.
With floors, I drastically prefer “wood shows.” Just hate fitted carpets.
Fitted carpets a deathtrap for asthmatics,and a haven for carpet moths and dust ,quite agree with you just absolutely hate them !!!
Sarah Jones I was about to say: with a dust-mite allergy, I cannot tolerate them!
re 03:40 : I have two friends who are gardeners in a wealthy area. One drives a BMW SUV with a trailer hitch for stuff and the other arrives in a rather new Porsche 911 - the latter one is the 'hand'.
Absolutely hilarious I loved this video ! :o)
I've never considered the 'class system' to be money based, but rather embracing genetics, education, IQ and culture. A super well paid drain cleaner isn't upper class, no more than the impverished 4th son of a failing aristocratic family is working class just because he's now doing agency work.
brought up in a paper bag...preferably in the North...lmfao
Yes but besides Penelope, the other names you listed may end with the letter 'e' but don't make the e sound. The 'e' at the end of Charlotte, Elaine, and Madeline are silent.
What about the professional class?
Clearly this is where Katie Hopkins does her research.
Middle class and proud
under-class and proud
I guess I’m slumming it. My family’s been going downhill for generations; although some of them have managed to go back up a little bit
If you work for a living you are working class. it doesn't matter if you are lower middle or upper . some people like to pretend that the type of job is significant or the amount they earn is important. its not
"She was poor, but she was honest --victim of a rich man's game"
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"It's the rich, wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame"
Earning good money doesn’t make you middle class. Like do you think John Terry’s middle class?
We come into the world and leave this world albeit some go out in a mahogany with silver or gold handled casket some leave in horrendous circumstance. we all have been given life and sadly death. NO ONE IS OVER VALUED TO ANOTHER!!!Narcissistic socialite personality disorder STINKS.
From where did they get Steve Punt. Monty Python revisited surely.?
I'd like to know what documentary this samples, the black and white footage that is. If someone could help it'd be awesome, thanks.
In Canada we had a lot of war brides who were so pretentious. It was comical in a country so humble. Most of the time we had a good chuckle at there expense. Class isn't a big deal snymore.
Spelling properly is still a big deal, if you want to be taken seriously, though.
@HellwrathUK Geoffrey Palmer the one and only!
lb1770 I was like: Hey sounds like Lionel!
Is speaking with a middle-class accent thought pretentious if you're from the working class? Curious from a Yank's perspective.
It's often the reverse, the middle classes trying to sound working class is probably more pretentious. Many of the working classes have always tried to sound posh in certain circumstances, e.g. on the phone, or speaking to a vicar or a doctor.
@@PLuMUK54 sounds like Brit writers would have great fun with that. maybe i missed the cues
@@curtbarnes4294 Look for "Keeping Up Appearances" to see Hyacinth Bucket (pronounced Bouquet). She had working class origins, her sisters Daisy and Rose stayed true to their roots, but Hyacinth tries very hard to show that she is middle class. There are lots of clips on TH-cam. There is another sister, Violet, who has money (drives a Mercedes and has room for a pony), but her husband, it appears, is a transvestite - an embarrassment for Hyacinth.
Unfortunately, the middle classes trying to sound working class would probably not be noticeable to anyone not British. It's very subtle, which Hyacinth Bucket is most certainly not.
@@PLuMUK54 Oh yes Bucket! very popular in the U.S in perennial re-run, and even WE can get that level of pretense! I'm old enough to remember Lawrence Harvey and (I think) "Room at the Top" in which he was humiliated for pronouncing brazier like brassiere. Played seriously then, not for laughs.
@@curtbarnes4294 OMG what must Americans think of us Brits if they watch "the Bucket woman" (as the vicar's wife would say) 😉
There are real life "Bucket women" though - I worked with one!
What class do people think the name 'Nicola' is? I always thought it seemed middle class personally.
I guess it's a real, free world, if a quiet group of, not too many, elders decides to validate the blue myth of a little bit of extra ease, before pure true expiration has no rhyme or reason. I have learned much but experienced absolutely little. Don't cry.
I realize they actually have weird, different sensitivities that severely judged being asked that. It's not Canada.
Middle class complain a lot because they are ambitious and ambition breeds dissatisfaction
We are all middle class now? What bollocks
Llewelyn-Bowen is a fool.
Stella Elkhenizy, Absolutely right since when????!
@@SarahJones-wy5us him and his friends haha
Can anyone tell me where the comedy sketch is from?
Thank GOD! We don't have these crap to deal with in the US
No, there is class differences in US, e.g.. "Old money, " etc.
Whoops, are class differences...
The British are surprisingly uncritical of class. I'm observing how different the political culture is there compared to Canada.
They might consider subtitles for this sort of videos. A glossery might help too.
william eason Ha Ha, you have a point!
Calling dinner, "tea," will slot you very quickly in the class to which you belong. Low class.
Few Americans will admit to belonging to the working class, even when they obviously do. Most identify with the middle class; that apparently a difference between them and folks on the equivalent rung on the socio-economic ladder in the UK. .
Americans are mostly temporarily embarrassed millionaires. They all think they are supposed to be rich, but something is keeping them from it.
I am US/kiwi . worked in a factory in Cleveland for 200 a week and everyone was like "i am middle class"....
sorry love
we ain't middle class yet.
2:53 Or the young Private Baldrick.
The names ending in the 'e' (sound) that she listed weren't a continuation of the nicknames, they're just regular names. Well except Katie, I believe there could be girls named Katie, but I think for the most part that's just someone's nickname.
Funny to hear that Sebastien is perceived as upper class.
When I was in Japan everyone used to tell me it was a butler's name...
These days class for me is do you own it.. cash down. Debit is high image is everything... receivership is just around the corner 2019.
Karen Willis I completely agree. (Are you based in the States? The UK? Elsewhere?) Here in the US, where high-society blue-blood families are now shadows of their former selves, and where virtually all wealthy individuals are new money, class is largely determined by one’s level of education, the significance of one’s professional contribution, and, perhaps just as important, HOW the money is spent. For example, a tenured MIT professor who lives in a renovated historic property and drives a Volvo station wagon will be held in higher esteem than a trust-funder who lives on an eco-unfriendly L.A. compound with a 1,500-square-foot closet to house their collection of Birkin bags-even if the former grew up dirt poor and the latter happens to descend from a Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Biddle, etc. It hinges on lifestyle, taste, and public comportment, not bloodline, and a lower-class status is entirely escapable. This is, as I understand it, different in certain ways from attitudes in Britain, where a hard-up, college-dropout son of a baron could still make the hallowed pages of Tatler.
Ha ha, 6:06. My mother got a lino in a marble print. Hideous. I don't understand why people do that - if it's not the real deal there's no way it looks authentic, so it just looks like you're aspiring to be rich but failing.
Lindelamare What rich person wants a marble floor? It would be exhausting to stand on and anything that fell would break into a million pieces. Lino is much more practical and a marble pattern hides the dirt until you have time to clean it.
Why must we endlessly be shown monty fucking python as an example of 'class comedy'? What would they know about other classes apart from their privalage of messing about in Cambridge with their posh mates. We need change and we need it now.
Maybe if you understood their background you would not be such a snob youself
Can anybody identify what show the clip at 1:55 is from?
Harry Enfield and Chums - a popular British sketch show. The characters are called Wayne and Waynetta Slob I believe.
The “posh” are the original Preppies.
My gaffer was the youngest of nine from a mining community and a rough backround . He made good money cos he was tight with our wages He foolishly put his 3 children through private education even tho He and his pretentious wife had NO idea of that world. Sadly those children became embarassed by their parents uneducated behaviour and moved away. WHAT a surprise. I warned him of this when i was only 18 and was shot down in flames. MMMM? He recently died so i can say this now
bee-chez...
palm trees...
bam boo...
'nuf said
i peed on myself a "little bit!" oh! those crazy brits! may i have some more, please? WHOO RAY HENRY!!!
Tarquin Oliver Nimrod...
Chelsea, Kylie,...Wayne
lol
Hilarious!
Teeth need to be a bigger priority
New rich , teeth are important. Old money or intellectuals, not important to have a perfect smile, but taken care of. Poor & drug addicts, unable to take care of.
I think I went from a middle class family who like to pretend they are posh, when they aren't, to I guess maybe working class? My husband is an aged carer and i'm a part time student and plan to go into research part time due to my disabilities. Anyone else dropped class? I'm curious if it's just some snobby middle classers like my parents who never cease to make you feel bad about it, as if you have disgraced yourself.
Makes one wonder, where does Meghan Duchess of Sussex fit in?
La La Land
Meghan? who, you mean the American gold digger broad.
I am so glad I don't live in Britain.
Do I feel the warmth of that 'special relationship' radiating through?
Me too! I'm satisfied with home sweet home Chicago. Though I've traveled extensively to all of the continents except for Africa and Australia I have absolutely no desire to tour Europe though my wife conned me into going to Rome once to see the Pope. I'm not against Europe its just that that part of the world just doesn't appeal to me.
@@catholiccrusader5328 How unfortunate, the culture you are missing.
So are we.
Is it more easily to achieve the British Dream than it is to achieve the American Dream?
Michael Lantz we don't have a British dream
The Beatles achieved the British Dream back in the 1960's.John Lennon and George Harrison both had mansions from the photos I have seen of them.John Lennon had a Rolls Royce.
Michael Lantz, SInce when????????
So let's see....Its not enough that the entire society is driven by a desire to work hard enough to earn enough money to never have to work.....but we also have to keep one eye on whose coming up behind us and the other eye on how far ahead the other guy is. Question: What happens if the average Joe stops caring so much about his place in the rat ra e compared to everybody else? Aren't the Real winners at this game the people who market what we need to have to validate our illusions?
Is this real or just a joke?
No
5:00 the snotty little snob of a woman jeering at ‘china dogs on the mantelpiece’.
Little did she know that ‘mantelpiece’ is a terribly non-U word.
Real upper class people say ‘chimneypiece’ or ‘overmantel’.
She may as well have said that she had a lovely ‘couch’ in her ‘lounge’.
Fail.
Fucking cheek l have lots of brick a brac. It's my house so l do as l like
What does your dad do ❓.. My dad's a knocker upper sir!... Who knows what I mean ❓❓
It means waking people up for work by knocking on their windows 6/16/2019
Is Fiona a posh name? :/
Slightly, but not frightfully so.
No, its common.