Gold In My Rock Saw?? How Much??
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- Join Jason in this intriguing video as he investigates the gold content left behind in the cuttings and shavings from his rock saw. After cutting through rich gold ore, Jason embarks on a quest to uncover the hidden treasure concealed within these remnants.
Discover the answer to the tantalizing question of whether the gold content in the rock saw cuttings holds enough value to justify further processing and potential profit. From panning and sampling to analyzing the results, this video offers valuable insights into gold recovery from unconventional sources.
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If you want to clean the oil and recover the sediments. You can use a centrifuge filter. It will clean your cutting oil back to new and remove all sediments and material.
A centrifuge is the best idea I've heard so far. Congrats.
Removing the sediment from the oil should be pretty easy. Add all of it to water and aggitate to get the oil to float on top of the water and the sedment to sink into the lower water layer. If the oil is a bit too viscous and is clinging to the sedment, add some gasoline or similar thin solvent to get it to release the sedmient.
Yeah , just trying to filter that gunk is probably going to be a protracted tedious PIA .
I think you have the right idea here .
Fire!!! Will remove it..
@@jessewilson8676I agree with roasting it 😉 Not very environmentally friendly but sure would be a lot easier… and fun!
Couldn't he just burn the oil off of the sediment using the kiln?
i believe they use mineral oil will it work with that
5:34 your chickens in the background seem impressed with the gold bead.
Cotton coffee filters in sieve over a container. Keeps rockdust, drops crystal clear oil for reuse in a couple of days. Cheers
I use 4 items to get the majority of oil out of the rock saw sludge. 1 5 gal bucket, 1 3 gal bucket dotted with 1/4 inch holes in the bottom, a plastic flower pot, and a stack Brown lunch bags. Put a second lunch bag inside the first open lunch bag, this makes a 2 layer filter bag which is placed in the flowerpot. This unit is put inside the 3 gal holed bucket that is stacked on the 5 gal collector bucket. Fill the lunch bag with sludge, the oil will filter thru almost clean as brand new oil.
It's slow, but cheap, unlike a centrifuge filter setup at a cost of 2 grand or more.
Wow, interesting technique.
@@geraldbrunckhorst8291 Yes, this is what I do with the oil after I do a clean out of my saw. I don't have to do it often because I have the centrifuge system on my saw. A better way though, is to make a bigger set up and use a 5 gallon bucket that you have put a lot of holes in with a hole saw or a drill.. The sea is to have a relatively smooth surface on your "sieve". You put a grocery bag in the bucket sieve and place it in another container that is just slightly larger such as one of those yard totes with rope handles. Elevate the bucket off of the bottom a few inches so the oil has somewhere to flow down to. Then you pour the slop from the saw into the bag inside of the bucket and let it filter through. It is not a fast process and can take weeks. You want to keep it out of the rain and other water sources. Heat will make it go faster but will not make it take less than a few weeks. I have one in the garage that is almost completely drained out. It has been sitting for about a month. After that, Jason will still have the rock snot. My recommendation would be for him to put the entire bag of rock snot in a metal bucket and place it in a well controlled fire, slowly vaporizing the oil that remains and burning it up. The results should be a poorly consolidated glob of hard powder.
My dad was in the automotive body shop business. The extremely fine paper filters he used to run his paint through before spraying it would be highly beneficial. They can be used for many applications on hold mining, particularly the last few steps in home gold recovery. I think the heating, grease emulsifier the filtering through one of the paint filters would do a great job. Great video!!
Wow I read some of the suggestions and they look great . Mine is clean the cutters out put the oil in a bucket , let the solids settle , skim the oil off , filter the top of the solids the more dense solids , use hot water and dawn soap to clean the oil off ( this will take a few runs) .
jason as always thanks for the vids ! for your oil saws an old mechanics trick to filter used oil was to place one 50 gallon drum atop another and using a siphon effect and capillary action draw the oil through a length of natural fibre rope..leaving clean oil in the bottom and a length of particulate contaminated rope. im guessing there is not much oil in the saw process but thin what ya get with a solvent and strain it through a rope ..takes time but a lot cheaper than centrifugal separators
Simple answer to recovering gold from oil saw dust: Go buy a 5 gallon can of the solvent mechanics use in their parts washing tanks. Pan your oil-dust as normal in a tray of that stuff. Outside, with gloves and pleanty of fresh air. Stuff cuts oil, grease, and grime like nothing else. Good luck, love the vids. Patiently awaiting you guys to get back up to your mine.
I use kerosene in my parts washer, diesel fuel also works great but I hate the smell. Most people recommend mineral spirits.
I agree with this and would suggest the same. BTW. I love your Opening My Mine Series. I am as impatient as an ADD kid waiting for more mine content. I am so intrigued by what it takes and how to recover gold from a mine. Jason you need a winter mine in the south LOL. I selfish like that. 😜
Great Job Jason! Keeping your eye on all the missed gold!
For the oil based fines, warm the oil to decant the oil off the top. The ash off the rest. We do an ash test at work where we muffle furnace a sample to 1000 F. Your muffle furnace is small, may need to slow heat it by putting in your smelt furnace with the lid off and the flame on low. The organic stuff burns off leaving the inorganic stuff behind. Then I’d use your recipe for smelting
0:07 I saw a video of someone who BOUGHT a piece of broken or worn gold processing machinery.
AND immediately after delivery washed down every square inch of it, every nook and carney ... And got over HALF the purchase price back the same day in recovered gold!!! :)
I'm a chef, not a rock hound. My initial reaction to getting the oil out of the sediment would be to put it into water and bring it up to a simmer. Combination of heat and water should pull the oil to the top so it can be easily scooped out and discarded.
Bad idea, gold is hydrophobic
@@DrSafely so gold could be trapped in the oil and float?
What if you burn off the oil, evaporate it as much as possible then bake the oily sludge
@jeffbybee5207 it would probably just turn to oily smoke coating everything, and you still would not be able to pan it.
I'm thinking pit in a cast iron.pan in a very hot camp fire maybe start from cold ?
Oil? One way or another, it has a hydrocarbon component. Let the material settle out, pour off the 'clean' oil, mix the material with lots of sawdust, then burn the whole pile. You should then have ashes and rock material that you can toss right into your crucible.
Hey Jason,
I have long wondered about the dust cut from the rocks having enough gold to refine.
Thank you so much for making this video, it answered my wondering.
I recommend burning the oil off, Jason...? I think the oil will vaporize at a much lower temp than it would take to smelt the ore. Also, I would smelt the clay fines for hyper-suspended gold particles...just to see if hyper-suspension locks up gold in the panning process. It would be an interesting experiment, at the very least.
Mount your water rock saw above a shaker table and do the entire process at once. Depends on how much gold slabbing you are planning.
Love this answer!! 😂 why not if the slabs became a big deal and went to an industrial scale! 😂
I have bought 2, 25lb sacks of muck from Jason's mine. I have sorted it as best as I could have by size. Have found several pieces with visual gold. I will eventually crush and pan what I have. The better pieces I hope to make cabs from, I do lapidary work. I have thoroughly enjoyed what I have received from Jason's mine. I recently won one of the 1KG bags of crushed ore, waiting on that, cannot wait to pan it out. Thanks Jason.
For the oil and sediment use brown paper bags, just ones that are approximately the same size as your drain tube. The oil will move to the bag (takes 2-14 days).
Just put this bag over the tube, ziptie it tight and wait. You may need to add fresh oil to lighten up the mix.
When it hits the bag the sediment clogs the bottom but the bag works as a capillary and wicks the oil up then ouy and down. With any luck you'll also be able to reuse the oil it separates.
Is that just mineral oil or is it petroleum based? If it's petroleum based get a can of Luiqi Moly from autozone or wherever and let the sediment sit in that if you're not comfortable burning it off. If you're ok buring off the oil and sludge let it soak in gasoline over night then filter again which should remove most the oil
Not sure about cutting mineral oil.
Look up in the hood too, it flies off hot, diamond blade, I was a mason, gotta clean the hoods too…
As someone who's never mined gold, or had anything to do with rock saws of any kind, I may have an idea about the gold in the oil saws. You can try filtering the oil through some of that cloth, and then burn whatever was left on the filter. Basically heat it to the point where it's neither burning nor smoking any longer. That should get rid of all oil residues and leave only the clean material along with with some ash. Then you just pan the thing and proceed as normal.
Harbour Freight used to carry but not anymore, an Air Blow gun pneumatic cleaning gun with 4 feet of hose Temu has it for $9.48, NAPA Auto parts have exact same thing for $35.00, also has an adjustment screw to regulate the size of spray. Put the tube in your favorite grease and oil cutting liquid and blast clean your rock saw. Dishwashing soap works well for removing oils and grease. That's what I use with hot water with my cleaning gun. Acetone, paint Thinner, Lacquer thinner, kerosene. Gasoline is for your transportation needs. We are sure with your creative mind you will find a way. Ask Dan Hurd what he uses. His may be dirtier than yours too!
Yep, I see Dan Hurd’s saws are filthy rich with gold dust 😂 so I doubt he’s ever cleaned them out 😂 Maybe he will now that Jason retrieved a button! 😂
To separate the gold from the oil saw residue, try putting it in a jar, bucket or whatever and mix with a solvent like Simple Green in a solution of water. You might have to repeat a few times to get the gold clean enough to further process.
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Dawn dish detergent was good enough for Exxon Valdez clean up, will work fine, if your concerned about breathing VOC's from any solvent. K-1 Kerosine will work with the lowest odor produced, with most oils. Always test a small sample to check first.❤
Very inspiring and motivating Good luck 🇮🇩⚒️⛏️💎👍👍
4:47 run the oil through a series of filters, even just some paint filter/funnels like they use for automotive paint or maybe something not quite as fine at first and the finest particles could probably be caught in a regular canister type hydraulic/engine oil filter or fuel filter and then cut off any metal/plastic and burn away the paper filter material
Just washed my saw out the morning before I watched your video. Been slabbing Jasper and agate that runs several grams to the ton gold. Going to save the sediment next time and see if I have anything in it. Thanks for the idea.
Mix the oil sediment mix with hot water and a little soap. The oil will rise to the top and can be siphoned off leaving the sediment in the water. Might have to heat but not boil the mix.
To get the oil out of the sediment (not entirely) you take a bucket, put some holes in it, set it above another bucket. In the top bucket you place 2 paper bags. In the bags you put the sediment/oil mixture. This will separate most of the oil from the sediment, and will give you back clean oil for the saw.
For the oil, might be able to react it with lye water to turn it into a soap, which would make it water soluble. Probably won't be practical if it's a large amount of oil though.
Great video as usual!
to clean the oil, use a drop of some sort of detergent plus water and mix with a stirrer to emulsify, the solids should gravity separate
"Synthetic fault gauge" may be a good description of the sludge at the bottom of the rock saw trays. I would be tempted to add some detergent when panning out the oil saw dregs, that's if you don't mind losing some cutting oil; don't forget to rinse with clear water afterwords and hope the suds don't carry off any gold.
Processing gold contaminated with oil requires careful handling to ensure both the recovery of the precious metal and the proper disposal of the oil. Here's a general outline of how the process could be approached:
1. The first step is to separate the oil from the gold sediment. This can be done through various methods such as using a centrifuge, gravity separation, or chemical treatments. Centrifugation can help in separating the heavier gold particles from the lighter oil.
2. Once the oil is separated, solvent extraction can be employed to remove any residual oil from the gold sediment. Solvents like alcohol or acetone can be used for this purpose. The sediment can be soaked or washed with the solvent to dissolve the remaining oil.
3. After solvent extraction, the gold sediment needs to be thoroughly dried to remove any remaining solvent. This can be achieved through air drying or using low heat to evaporate the solvent.
~ CHEERS
Just guessing you’re in California.
@@billschafer4531 In the gold recovery process, the initial step involves separating the gold from the oil, typically in a water-based solution. Once separated, the sediment containing the gold undergoes further cleaning with alcohol or acetone to eliminate any remaining oil residues. Subsequently, the solvent is vaporized to leave behind the gold-bearing minerals, ready for additional refining steps. Notably, the oil can be efficiently recirculated back into the saw, ensuring a sustainable and environmentally friendly approach. I'm familiar with regions like Portland, OR, as well as California, Washington, Colorado, and Alaska, having actively engaged in prospecting and mining for several decades.
You uploaded your first rock saw video more than 10 months ago. I watched like a week ago and left a comment about extracting gold in the sawdust.
I had that same thought a few years back. I asked Jason if he had ever tried to get to the gold dust. Here he is gong at it full tilt!
Alot of people cut agates, chalcedony and jasper. Most of their sludge is quartz. But all those rocks can contain uranium. Instead of getting gold from granites, i was wondering how much uranium yellowcake you could get from chalcedony
Roast the sludge from your oil rock saws to burn off the oil. Get an everclean centrifugal oil cleaner from highland park to help with the sludge maintenance in the saw. Then work with the sludge in the everclean waste can by roasting to burn off the oil..
Mix the oil and sediment up with a larger quantity of water and add dawn detergent. Oil and water will emulsify and the sediment should sink to the bottom.May take a repetition or two to clear all the oil but cheap and effective.
After settling and decanting, remove the last bit of oil from the sediment by rinsing several times with a little volume of solvent like gasoline each time.
If you're going to run it for longer before recovering the gold, is it worth agitating the tailings bucket to reduce the volume of impacted clay?
With the oil saws I assume you don't want to sacrifice too much of the oil in the recovery process. Could it be centrifuged/cycloned to maximise the volume of cutting oil that can be reused before dealing with the concentrated sludge for gold recovery?
I’ve also been wondered how to get all of the oil out of the cuttings in oil saws. Looking forward to tips from everyone. Obviously Dawn dishwashing detergent may help yet will it be enough?
Thanks for reading my mind, Jason (or perhaps you do a better job reading the comments than I do!)
Careful with that Bismuth - it's radioactive! Don't breathe it!!
When you looked in the pan & said U figured there'd be more Au, I was thinking U got a whole lot. I'm talking amt of colors tho, not total weight. Also not knowing how many passes were made, the cuts were made "blind" in relation to location of Au in situ & ?? # of bits off each particle. We now know U recovered 1/4 gr, but I think U let a lot of Au escape. Should have been run thru shaker table, finishing sluice or Miller table, not panned. Whoever buys those tailings should recover decent fine Au. Tnx 4 vids, Jason ^5!
From the oil saws, I would try normal but strong YES platinum, hot water in a bucket. IN with the material let it sit for a little while, do this process a couple of times. YES is very effectived with oil. I know, it sounds rediculous, but it might work. If not, try pretty strong NAOH together with hot water.
Gold is hydrophobic meaning it doesn’t stick to water; also it does stick to anything oily or greasy.
Thanks for the look from Australia happy days good luck
Typically we put some narrow containers installed right side inside our oil saw, we will periodically scoop up residue it will settle in container, after awhile oil layer can be decanted off the top, we then have two 5 gallon bucket, secured together with the top bucket with multiple drilled holes which also has a lid secured to the bottom this then fits to the top of the other bucket, we then take and make filters using news paper which then put the residue to drain, filter out any more oil ( key for us it to reclaim oil)
I think you got the bucket at right time, think you either need to drain the water out of the bucket or get a bigger tub as a replacement for the bucket otherwise youd need to changed out the buckets constantly.
Love the use of the muffin pan and spatula…see kitchen tools are useful 😂
Try a sample of the oil/ore dust mix with a few different solvents. I'd bet either gas or alcohol will thin it out enough to filter the particles. Perhaps give the shop towel a pre-burn before it goes in the furnace to prevent a fire.
Solvents? like acetone? gets the oil in an watery substance! No need to worry about adding water to it and having some oil left. if you wash/pan out the gold the oil/acetone/water should stay in one layer/mixture.
Simple Green Industrial Strength for the sludge. For your dirty oil, a deep oil filter for a truck with a few holes poked in the outer shell but not through the filter material. Attach the filter to the bottom of a bucket as a hopper and pour.
I'd have been happy to get a pan like that from a good spot on a river lol
That's excellent 👌👍
Depends on the type of oil but I would think use turpentine or brake cleaner to thin out the oil to allow the cuttings to fall out then depending on the oil type again get the cuttings in to a crucible and cook off the oils then pan it or depending on the volume just melt it down to a Gutenberg
With the oil saw I would try putting the sludge in water and slowly heating to force the oil to the top and pour off the oil. I don't think that I would try dish soap because that is and emulsifier and would cause the oil to drop down not float off. Just an idea...
Jason you can try to find some emulsifiers that will separate the oil from water, they make a chemical that's in powder form that is made for diesel/ oil spills. They also make a chemical called microblaze you can check out
Thin the oil out maybe petroleum, decant the oil off as if you were paning add more thining agent and repeat once all the oil is gone you can just sit it aside and let it dry. If it doesn’t dry repeat a few more times, of course you could burn the oil off but I suspect the ore would spit every were it would get caked in carbon plus what ever else is in the oil . Hope this helps
Work out the type of oil and there will be a solvent , we used a water and oil mix with our machining coolant and it was as simple as hot soapy water to remove and flush .
I'd be willing to bet that you could run the oil saw sediment through the shaker table and it should in theory separate the oil and mud.
If you use some soap to prewash the mud you could possibly get the oil to separate there too
Ethyl alcohol is a good degreaser and is available in commercial quantities. I'm not sure how you'd set it up, but if you're not trying to keep the oil it might work - you're the process guru.
Heat the oil up and run it through 10 coffee filters turned inside out and separately stacked within themselves. You will have to figure out how to remove the residual oil from the cuttings or the super fine gold will never settle properly. Perhaps the oil can be broken down via enzymatic activity? Soap/borax n hot water? or just smelted?
Centrifuge sounds like the best idea, then stick it in a crucible and heat it up to burn off the oil. The centrifuge that is cheapest is a bucket with a lid and a rope attached. I learned it in college!
Also, keeping your saws clean helps them last longer. So little clean ups are good. You can just stack the “paydirt” for bigger gold!
What kind oil are you using in the saw? Years ago we used diesel in the rock saws now my brother uses a mineral oil in all of his saws, primarily cutting petrified wood.
Try using a paint filter to clean the sediment from the oil. That way you don't have waste the oil.
Very nice collection of gold.
I would suggest mixing the oily sludge with water and a little dishwasher liquid. Water should separate underneath an oil float to the top and the solids should settle to the bottom.
Use a paper, grocery bag as a filter. Just put the bag in a bucket and pour mineral oil through it takes a while but it cleans it up real well.
If the oil is to bound up in the rock dust, try boiling it in plenty of water with a healthy amount of dush detergent.
We learned yesterday that a smelt brings 2 times more gold/silver!
Try using orange extract to dissolve the oil
Heat the oil to make it as thin as you can then run it through a giant coffee filter a few times then smelt what you get out of it! the gold may be super fine and float with the oil if you add water to it...
there is a lot of solution to separeret sediment from oil, one is to use a good amount of water and good amount of soap so the water and oil, emulsify an all the "heavy" material like gold at rock dust will sink to the Bottom and the "oil and water" soap mix will be on the top like a white cloud (white cloud if the oil is clean, but it will probably be more brown than white)
when i get exploded brake cylinders and they are full of brake fluid i use Brake or carb cleaner...and it just drops off and is spotless when done
For the oil saws, why not pyrolyze the oil into carbon. It shouldn't be sticky at that point, and theoretically could be separated from the rest of the sediments and gold mechanically.
The oily muck...
It seems you could get it in a filter of some sort and wash with solvent, but I would probably just put the muck in a steel container and burn the oil off.
Jason you have the equipment to crush glass into a powder much like sea foam. Filter your oil and you should be able to recover your oil. As a bonus fine sea foam should stop even flour gold although it could be slow. And then just melt the glass and gold.
Can’t you burn the oil off ?
Maybe add JetDry to the water in the pan to prevent the flour gold from floating out the pan.
Mineral spirits or laquer thinner should break down the oil and allow all the metallics to drop out of it, acetone might work as well and then you can just rinse it with distilled water afterwards. I wonder how much more gold is locked up in the stuff you panned off if you smelt it all down.
Smelt the gold out of the oil slurry: pre-bake it in a crucible to burn the oil off, let it cool, then add your borax and oxidizer and smelt it like you normally do 🤔🤷🏼♂️👍🏻
ive heard say that an emulsifier added to the oil sediment mix might work
Just filter the oil through a square of cotton from an old tee shirt. The cotton will burn off leaving the concentrated behind. One old tee shirt cut up into a bunch of 6"x6" squares should be about enough material to grab the itty bittys.
Maybe a funnel filters and a vacuum pump? Might be to thick though.
As long as the oil seperates with water i think putting what you cant skim off the sentiment in a bucket with water and letting it do the work for you is the easiest, and cheapest though not the quickest way. If it doesn't work 100% your out time but not much else. Then you can get more complicated if you have to. And a container that is taller and skinny will make skimming the oil off easiest I would think as well less surface area to spread out on. For fun you could make a centrifuge with a container that you put the contaminated debri in closest to the motor shaft and a screen with coffee filter or finer sandwiches between two screens so that as the container spins around the shaft it pulls/pushes liquid to furthest end of the container through the screens and filter. I like those ideas the best and would tey mechanical means before solvents myself.
Love the long sleeve shirt might have to pick me one up
You can clean up the oily sediment with a little gasoline. Just throw the sediment into a glass gar and add a little gasoline to the mixture and shake. The gasoline will thin out the oil enough to allow the heavys to sink, then just pour out the gasoline. You can then set the ore out in the sun on a plate or you can light it on fire to evaporate the gas.
think i would go with chemical extraction for this fine stuff. if you had a larger volume of cuttings it would make financial sense to extract the valuables. as for the oil saw i would probably say burn off the oil, then remill and extract chemically too along the other fine material. using water on fine material like this would risk the water surface tension lifting up the dust during panning.
What happens to the platinum and silver that might be in concentrates, once they heatedin a cupel?
I don't know, but maybe acetone will break up the oil. Might also try dawn dish soap lol.
salad spinner centrifuge for the sediment/oil stuff. or you could just let the oil float to the top of a big container which should get all the oil to the surface
Centrifugal force or adding water would probably be most effective to remove sentiment from oil
Might be able to loosen up the oil sludge with kerosene diesel or mineral oil. Then wash/mix with degreaser or soap?
That's funny...
Is there gold in my rock saw. Turns out there is. 😅😅😅😅
Was wondering if you collected the dust when you cut the rocks.🇺🇸
I’ve got two solutions maybe ideas to your oil saw debacle number one. What if you just went to the parts store like a Napa and bought an oil filter that goes on maybe a semi truck or even a car and pump that oil into that filter and then back out the other holes and then maybe just use that oil filter as your crucible🤷🏻♂️ number two why not just drop a little bit of mercury in there and roll it around a few put it on some sort of vibration and then straighten it out with some cheese cloth😅
Try Dawn dish soap to remove the oil.Or a degreaser
Dawn dish soap is what is used to clean water fowl that get caught in an oil spill.
Remove the oil without disturbing much of the sediment. Remove the sediment, add water, remaining oil will separate to the top, finish like normal.
I would say maybe use a good cloth to slowly drip or squeeze remove gold from oil but it looks way to thick for that so maybe probably better methods, or lol literally just wash it with a bucket of water and dish soap or petroleum not much petroleum tho you wouldn't need much i take it , anyways love the channel and hopefully one of us give you a idea 😊😊
For the oil you could use like dawn dish soap, maybe 🤔
A small Miller's table. Use Dawn soap.