Book CommuniTEA Tuesday: Authors Behaving Badly [CC]
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“Girl, go write another book.” 😂 I’m using this the next time I see an author behaving badly.
😂😂😂
This is Nigel’s world and we’re all just living in it to be honest
Yep!
that review didn’t make me want to avoid elin hilderbrand’s books but elin hilderbrand’s awful behavior sure did.
I second this and now will be starting a list of authors not not read because of their problematic behavior.
Same !
This, exactly!!! It wasn't even a negative review.
That review would have probably made me add it to my to read list. Shame the author is a twit.
@@FabulousFrostine I’m with you I might have picked them up based on review, the books did seem like they would be fun. But I won’t support an author like this
What made me feel even angrier about the whole "Worst books of the year" situation was seeing a few book bloggers also joining in the conversation to say they don't agree with these type of lists.
Someone actually tweeted me to say "Negative reviews aren't helpful because they're subjective" to which I replied "Yes, and so are positive reviews..."
... where is the logic? 🙃
Right! It gives me an idea of who I have similar taste with. Bad ratings don’t necessarily stop me from reading something new (I’m such a rebel!). But sometimes, when I read through reviews afterwards and notice someone with similar comments to mine or whatever, I feel I’m more likely to enjoy books that they recommend as well as be mindful that I may not enjoy ones they don’t.
@@KellyAnotherAdventure Exactly! I think negative reviews can be just as helpful as positive reviews.
For example if I see someone hated a book because "there was too much romance" you can guarantee I'll suddenly become a lot more interested in that book because I love romance in books 😂
@@GriffReads I’m the same with things like unhappy endings or super dark themes, I’m often more intrigued by that!
I love reading negative reviews because I often find what I'm either a) looking for or b) that I have similar issues in the content. It's hard for many writers to accept that books are also products. That means reviews are going to vary based on reviewer needs. I try to not destroy books I dislike but my genuine reaction is what makes it authentic. I talk to authors all day long. But that doesn't mean I'll promote for the sake of it.
@@deconstructingdamsels2746 absolutely! I get that no one wants to be ripped apart, especially not after spending so much time on something. But, for example, if they don’t think their work is worth the time for editing (or at least proofing!) and just throw out a shitty draft into the world, I’d personally rather not spend my time on it. I’ve been burned by this too often that I sometimes do check reviews for new authors (esp Indie) so I know that that’s the case.
Everyone: Got any romance recommendations?
Julie Matlin:
Everyone:
Julie Matlin: Me.
For the butthurt authors, this all comes down to the big rule. Do not connect your value as a person with your work. It never ends well and you only hurt yourself. Readers are critiquing the book, not you as a person. If you know you can't take negative reviews, don't go looking for them.
And seriously a bad review gives a more balanced opinion. I question a book that only has good reviews. Honestly I look for bad reviews as much as good ones. A good review will go on and on about for 2 minutes on how they loved this and that, which is great and awesome. A bad review will spend 5 minutes, or 5 paragraphs ranting about the magic system alone. You can get better details about what the reviewer didn’t like. And honestly decide to read it for yourself because it’s something you would like. And if you can’t take the criticism of your work, don’t look at reviews. Only listen to the people who swear it’s the best thing ever and move on. I get you crafted it and it’s important to you but it isn’t you. The reviewers mention, and most reviewers in general, don’t ever insult the author. Go out of their way not to in fact. They talk about book only.
The thing with covers, romance covers especially, is that 90% of them look the same. Sometimes almost exactly the same, like the same Stock-image just cropped and the color slightly altered.
That’s true
I don’t have receipts, but I think the selection covers were not stock photos. It’s also not just the ‘girl in dress’. It’s the girl in x colour dress, surrounded by mirrors/reflections, with the light spots and the exact font.
Also the book cover matches The Selection. LJ Shens books are like mafia romance or something. How is that at all relevant to the her books.
@@simmoneclark4363 That's possible, authors also rarely have any control over their covers. The covers is less an issue than the other stuff, for me anyway.
I've never read her books, nor had any interest to.
@@Marie45610 LJ Shen is indie, so I’d say she has control of covers. These are also ‘alternate’ covers. Original ones look more like mafia romance that they are. Looks like she’s trying to capitalise on The Selection popularity, especially since it’s being made into a show. Either way she’s not my taste either. Just saw more about this on Facebook from others.
"I put a bra on for you guys," should be the slogan of 2020. I have not left my pajama pants in six months. xD
I love how Gavin later posted his unhaul.... Including books by several authors who came at him. This sort of non sense will 100% make me not read the author and not recommend them. Sigh. Also, Nigel is the best.
Yes! I watched Gavin’s unhaul too, good for him. Those authors acted a fool
Authors really need to leave reader space to readers. Reviews (specifically ones where the author isn't tagged) are mostly geared for fellow readers to have a better gauge whether a book will be more or less worth their time. There are so many damned books that we need for a way to cull our TBR, and reviews are one of the ways we do it.
Im an author and I like reviews. To me a review shows someone takes time out of their day to read a book and comment on what they think. But what you said wasn’t wrong either.
You dealing with nigel’s chaotic energy is so relatable
Never ending story in my house 😂
About the ace thing. I'm 50/50 about it. I agree that we (ace people) should be open towards the person (or people) who is a potential romantic relationship person. Speaking vaguely is good enough at first e.g. 'I have no intention of having sex but I want a romantic relationship with you' or something. But at the same time, can sexual people also be forward? e.g. if you're someone who needs and wants sex with a partner every day. It's all about communication. We also need to know. Everyone should be like 'yo this is what I want in a relationship' and then if it's not your thing, walk away, OR if you can compromise and try and figure it out, go for it.
But it's also hard for ace people to come forward (especially so early in a relationship or dating) and explain because a lot of people who aren't ace just think there's something wrong with us, that we just have a low sex drive, that we just haven't met the right person, that we're missing hormones or chemicals and that's why we're touch or sex-averse etc. We get a lot of bad comments, responses and lashback (even in the LGBTQAI+ community) so... It's hard to say from the start.
100% agree it’s a hard balance of gaining trust in a relationship to talk about what everyone wants in the relationship but also actually talking about it. You need to build trust to have the harder conversations. This is what I would like in our relationship and here are my hard limits. And the other person gets to do theirs as well. Maybe you figure out what works for both and maybe you part as friends. But I think trust matters first. I know most people assume sex is part of a relationship but one would think a conversation about when and how often, ect is still something you should do. The ace part just adds a different layer
I am an author, and I honestly found the review of Elin Hildebrand's Winter series kind of complimentary. The reviewer was basically calling it a guilty pleasure. She got to book three, so she was obviously enjoying the books on some level. Now she might not be reading another Hildebrand book again because of all the unnecessary drama.
Negative reviews hurt. That said, they can also help an author grow, especially if they are constructive.
Also, "the rising tides lifts all boats is the trickle down economy of publishing," is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Thank you Ms. Devlin for saying it! The idea of "uplift in baby steps" is tantamount to "Let them eat cake".
Yes, Ms Devlin’s thread was a great read. And I’m sure negative reviews hurt but I would never seek them out or comment to the reader
Thank you for being honest and your whole approach to the situation and reviews. I’d image a bad review would personally hurt, we’ve all received bad feed back. But like you said constructive criticism can help you on the next project. I think you hit the nail on the head though in this case. The reader was finding an enjoyment to the series and seemed like she was going to just keep reading them. She was also talking about it in a way that would spark interest but also but set not high expectations and others might have picked them up as well for a fun read and simple enjoyment as well. But now her enjoyment is ruined and that’s not ok.
The situation with Gavin made me so sad. There are loads of “worst lists” in all categories! Why would authors take something like that as such an attack? Reviews sell their products too. I am tired of people being so self centred. Would love that to be a thing of the past. Thank you for bringing to my attention so that authors acting a fool don’t get my money any longer!
Those authors coming for Gavin was really uncalled for when everyone in the booktube community does that type of video and he’s one of the biggest champions for middle grade books. Smh
Weird that she thinks 3 stars - 4 stars is a bad rating.
I know, right? For me, 3 is “I enjoyed it but there are some issues/areas that need work” or “it isn’t my personal taste but x, y & z means I understand why others might like it”.
Exactly, I think a 3 star is a good book not perfect, 4 is a good book and 5 star are books that are amazing. I generally thought was common knowledge but I learnt it’s not.
@@gracem1363 I agree with you but it seems like so many people think 4 stars is only a good book and 3 stars means you hate it or something. And I always want to ask what they think a 1 or 2 star rating is even for
The most ridiculous thing about Gavin situation was that none of the authors coming after him were even in the video. It was mostly extra popular ones who won't lose any sleep over someone disliking their book.
I just think that there is a pressing need for all the new writers taking a mandatory course in dealing with reviews cause this is getting beyond ridiculous.
I think they're mad because he's a bookseller doing it. They see him as someone who should never say anything bad, but then he also did a new video unhauling the authors and stressing that he had supported their work in the past but apparently they forgot that. So the drama continues.
I've been wondering for a while if certain authors go up and call all their author friends and whine about the "negativity" and they piled on him because of that. It's very similar to what happened with Sarah Dessen before we found out the truth.
@@skullfullofbooks7398 The dumb part on the authors side is the more they attack Gavin the more fans they lose and will never get. I don’t not pick up a book because of a bad review, most bad reviews actually go more in-depth and you can get a better feel for what’s in the book and maybe it’ll work for you even if the reviewer didn’t like it. But this crap the authors are pulling, nope I’ve seen a lot of people starting DO NOT BUY lists and I’ve got one going as well. You don’t attack a reviewer in mass and tell them to be nice. That Gavin works at a bookshop means he has more access to books people have never heard of and can find lots of gems to share. I’d be supporting him even if he didn’t like my book because it’s still an advertisement of the book
About the cover stealing: there's a whole bunch of romance book covers that are just "attractive girl in ballgown" I'm not sure it's stealing if your ballgowns are the same color. I see the similarity, but it is a different photo with a different model ins different dress. The illustrated covers are also becoming increasingly common. The devil wears Prada one is the most sketchy to me and that seems like more of a reference than outright stealing
I agree, look at pretty much 90% of historical romance covers. They're either pretty girl in ball gown or attractive couple in romantic clench. My problem with LJ Shen has more to do with her very lack luster writing. It's all essentially 1 of 3 of her books just with different character names.
@@TheGoofy1932 I hadn't heard of her until this video. I don't think I'm interested in reading her work. Thanks for the context!
I saw that Devil book the other day, and thought to myself "Oh look The Devil Wears Prada - wait..."
I was under the impression that most authors had little to do with cover design choices? Maybe until they get a lot of exposure and clout that lets them have more cover design input?
@@ArteoftheMist It depends on if the author is self published. Looking at some info, seems like many are independently published. However, The Devil Wears Black is Montlake, which is an Amazon imprint. And the Playing with Fire cover is an alternate. But I understand what Jess noticed about the covers. I did too. Looking over more of Shen's covers, it's usually a handsome guy with stubble and the Cockygate style cover font. The tonal shift is interesting since the covers are very different.
And authors are STILL coming for Gavin. He's literally on hiatus because the toxic positivity authors and reviewers won't let him go. Like I'm about ready to make a TH-cam channel just to post a worst books video in solidarity. 🤣 (not really but it's close lol)
Besides being something everyone does honestly he wasn’t that critical of the books and literally none of the authors attacking him were mentioned in the video, NONE.
“Alexa play some clown music” - it took me out
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😂😂😂
Some actors are harder to work with than others, Nigel is just high maintenance 🤣
This comment is underrated. 🤣🤣🤣
Idk why “girl go write another book” took me outttttt
I think that book reviews are less likely to be honest if there becomes this fear of authors bullying those who say anything less than glowing. A review is an opinion and everyone’s entitled to them and to express them. If I ever publish, I imagine I won’t enjoy a bad review but I also understand that sometimes that happens. If I read reviews, it’ll hopefully be to learn something about what to do better next time.
With regards to hashtags, I would still say that an author or fans may still follow them. I work in PR & Marketing so hashtags are followed to enable us to monitor & respond where appropriate (from a customer service POV, typically). People sometimes use them like they would a mention.
Yeah if you worry about an author seeing your review or coming after you, definitely could change your review
Nigel: I must be H E L D
*30 seconds later*
Nigel: Nah, I'm bored.
What's happening with authors not handling opinions anymore?! Am I tripping? In which timeline am I, am I wrong to think it should not matter that much, especially when there's so many people they can read rave reviews from to make up for this one person's different opinion? Something doesn't make sense and I know it's not me lol 😣
i think it's because there's such a little barrier between reviewers and authors now. it takes only a second for them to find every ounce of feedback and it's so damaging to both sides
Im dying laughing at the look on your face when your doorbell went off. I always react that way when someone is at my door.
I don’t think asexual people “have to” disclose they are asexual to everyone they meet. But I do think that if you enter a relationship, you can’t get mad when they other person (at some point) expects sex out of it.
There is a conversation to be had about the role sex has in any given relationship and how important or unimportant we think it is; but that conversation (the one in which we judge the people who like sex enough to end a relationship over it) is different from the fact that everyone deserves to get into a trusting relationship.
And I do understand the controversy over this. I mean, I have a problem with transphobic people. And I hate people who say they wouldn’t date trans people even if they are attracted to them because of some archaic belief about gender roles. But a trans friend can’t get mad when their partner is willing to end a relationship upon finding that out! (And please note I said “end a relationship” because I don’t want anybody commenting to this with the assumption that I support the gay/trans scare or any of that bs)
A relationship is a bond of trust between two people. Things like mental and physical health as well as politics should be discussed beforehand.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 this its all about trust and communication and if that not there we can't get mad at the other person who wantvto end the relationship because this wasn't talk about at the being of the relationship
this!! nobody needs to disclose their sexuality to everyone, but if someone wants to get into a relationship they need to communicate their needs, what they like and what they don't. it's basic, especially on a romantic relationship, to communicate!! to know with what your partner is comfortable between the sheets there's the need for a sincere conversation. you can't get mad if you don't even attempt to communicate. there's plenty of allo folks who won't mind a relationship without sex, but they need to know that their partners aren't comfortable with sex or they'll just keep expecting it
@@larissabarreto8879 exactly. You don’t need to wear a button that says” hi i’m ...” so everyone knows your business. But a real relationship, not a date but you and another person or persons, whatever, should sit down and have an honest conversation. I am ..., and for me this is what it means. And the second part is super important because there is a lot of personal area for the ace spectrum, that’s what it’s a spectrum. One persons limits are their own and for a relationship an honest conversation about what your limits are should happen. And while feelings can be hurt especially if one partner can’t be in that relationship for whatever reason then better to find out in the beginning. No one is OWED sex or allowed to make you cross your limits. But at the same time it’s not fair for them not to get a full relationship either.
I agree. I see not wanting sex as on par with not wanting kids. Different people are going to feel differently about it, but there are people for whom it is a dealbreaker, so you should have a conversation about it fairly early in a relationship. Not like first date early but “hmm this is getting serious, let’s make sure we’re compatible” early.
As a member of the ace community I completely agree with your statement the problem I see is that the original poster came off as negative and left a bad taste in my mouth. It was clear that she didn’t have kind intentions with her post.
I feel like... if you’re gonna make the choice to publish your work... you have to be ready for negative feedback as well as positive feedback. This is part of the writing process. Authors are super privileged in that our work some how makes it above the slush and noise of submissions, so if a few negative reviews (or really, less than stellar reviews) are gonna put you off... don’t search for them? It can’t be this hard.
"i put a bra on for y'all so you should be GRATEFUL" is my life motto
🙌🏾🙌🏾 it’s such a task
"Better behave if you want a treat"
Nigel: Nah mom, my channel, my chair. 🤣
He rules the house
A lot of authors say that they don’t watch/read reviews of their work when it’s so clear that they do. Let’s just be honest about it. Publishing is tough, highly competitive and not everyone will like a writer’s work. Authors need to have a thick skin and be professional--no matter what year it is.
Authors: "2020 was such a rough year and now a book I put out for public criticism is being critiqued 😥💔"
Gavin went on to do a video unhauling books "by authors behaving badly"
Idk about the asexual one as I'm not asexual. As someone who has "physical love" as a love language, a relationship where the other person never wanted that to the same level just wouldn't work out. I don't see me being mad about it if a man told me he wasn't interested in anything physical, we would just have to end that relationship at that capacity and move on. And like, it would be found out way before anything got too serious. 😅 But if I were asexual, I could see myself not always telling someone from the get-go because that has to get old after a while. That would be like me telling every man I meet I 100% don't want children the minute we're introduced. Like sure, it should be brought up, but it doesn't have to be a scarlet letter I wear either. It can happen as the relationship progresses.
This is so true. It's also interesting that the burden is put exclusively on someone who is Asexual to disclose that, but it can just as easily go the other way too. Why is it not also the fault of the other partner for not saying that sex was a must for them and disclose that into from the start? It works both ways.
I'm with you. Marriage, sex, kids, expectations , desires... A healthy relationship must tackle these eventually. But it can take time and to build trust first as things get more serious.
I am ace, and most aces I've spoken to think that you need to disclose that you're ace near the beginning of a relationship, before it gets serious. Alice not disclosing that while in a serious relationship is (in my experience) frowned upon by the ace community.
And, from what I've read of the book, Alice is 100% in the wrong. Maybe later in the book they'll reveal she did try to discuss it and wasn't allowed to, but from the first part it seems like she presented herself as bisexual, got into a serious relationship, and then had the nerve to be upset that her girlfriend bailed out of a relationship she didn't sign up for.
I still can't believe everything that went down with Gavin! So many people do this video every year, he didn't deserve that kind of reaction!
We need a “girl, go write another book” t-shirt.
YES
I'm a writer and I love "most disappointing reads" videos. If I ever saw one of my books I would just jump out. Mind you I only have one book out so far, but the point stands. I will be looking for Gavin's video after this.
When I tell you I RAN to this video after seeing the drama around Gavins video! I was provided with way more tea than expected, thank you for keeping me up to date on all the happenings. Also loved the positivitea last week! 💕
By the way, speaking of Julia Quinn there’s also been threads on Twitter about the consent in her book and also on the TV show. In Julia Quinn’s book, the heroine doesn’t let the hero pull out because she wants to have a baby, and he’s the one that has to apologize or something. And now that there’s a TV show, people are upset because of the layers that the race of the characters add to it. Essentially, in the show, a white woman is the one that takes the consent of the Black man. There’s several debates as to wondering if it’s rape or not. I think the fact that this is being debated is not a good look. But I’ve also never read the book, and don’t wish to watch the whole series... 🤷🏽
I'm a part of the community and it's a huge debate. Sasha was one of many that are calling out the lack of change. Including romance scholars. There are very clearly two sides in the fandom right now. I haven't read The Duke and I because of the story line. I am also not watching for the same reason. Forewarned. Of course there's also drama with one of the journalists who kick started the reviews. A year ago, the community wasn't fond since the writer did a really bad disservice in representing the RWA mess. But people forget.
@@deconstructingdamsels2746 Thank you for letting me know. I love the thread Sasha put out, and I hope people listen to what they have to say because it’s really disturbing.
@@mirnatius I've noticed a lot of conversation on Twitter since the thread went up. Sasha often has insight. I follow a few really good curators who help keep me in the loop.
I woke up to a thread about this and after piecing it all together I was like “oh, it’s THAT book,” bc I’ve heard romance booktubers (rightfully) tearing it apart. There’s all these people bending over backward to excuse sexual assault because...it’s a romance trope?? I saw this author talking about how dub-con is a “feature, not a bug” of erotic fiction and it’s meant to be a ~fantasy~ so don’t like, don’t read basically. Like ma’am...that’s a fucking bad thing.
@@myconfusedmerriment Exactly this. I think if you want to watch the show or love the books, it’s fine. But there’s people who for personal reasons are hurt by it and are just speaking out to warn others, and defending it is a really shitty thing to do.
I really couldn’t believe what happened with Gavin! He honestly did nothing wrong, didn’t tag the authors & still got so much heat for it for no reason! Catherine came for Gavin so hard & her book was never mentioned in his video
Please educate me, because I don't understand why authors think, that their year was sooo hard.
Ok, their releases got probably pushed back & they didn't made as much money. But other than that, they always working from home, so not a lot changed for them.
I mean there are a lot of people that lost their job or couldn't do it, because they need to go outside for that. That is way worse in my eyes.
I would love to know. We all struggled this year in some way. Like, should we not critique anything because there’s a pandemic ??
I wonder how many of these authors are trying to be bigger so they can quit another one. But the thing is...mant people have second jobs that suck their soul out and rip it up in the too dull blender.
you do realize that the majority of authors don't work from home and that writing is a side job, right? The majority of writers aren't getting paid millions like Stephen King, JK Rowling, Rich Riordan, etc. So yeah their year was still sooo hard, they possibly lost their main job and didn't get the expected pay out from their book.
My take on emails: Email me whenever, that's fine. I just won't open the email until work hours. When it comes to discussing relationship stuff... it's personal. Everything in a relationship is about compromise and figuring out what works best for each partner. No two relationships will look or work the same. And discussing things such as being trans, sexual interests, etc. make people very vulnerable and, depending on childhood/dating background, can be extremely difficult to open up about. Definitely not that person's place to enter the conversation.
Ugh, that take on "Let's Talk About Love" has me HEATED!!!! 😤😤😤
But Nigel is adorbs.
You said "Alexa play clown music" and it triggered my Alexa and she started to play music lol
ACE people don't owe a coming out to anyone, but anyone getting into a relationship with someone else should be grown enough to discuss and articulate their boundaries--including not wanting sex.
So much respect for all the links you left in your description. Thank you for not excluding so many causes that often go unnoticed in the west ❤️
Every time I check in on the book world, some new author is out here treating a bad review like it’s the kid that bullied them in middle school. No one is obligated to give you a good review. Grow up. (Side note: your interactions with Nigel are wonderful and I love him so much 💕)
I thought it was a general rule that editors and agents gave to authors not to read reviews of their books? Not everyone is going to like your book, and sometimes those people will be vocal about it. Yes, you put your heart and soul and time into that work of literature. However, there will be readers who like it, readers who feel it was just okay, and readers who think it's not worth the time to read. There has never been a universally loved book and I doubt there ever will be!
That beginning, lol. Pets, Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. Simba will climb up on my lap and sit on my clipboard when I'm coloring or doing school work.
That review of the Hildebrand book didn’t even trash the author badly imo? Yeah it said they weren’t deep novels, but the reviewer said they kept reading them for the drama. Be happy your books are someone’s guilty pleasure.
Her review made me want to actually go read her books. I love books like that! 😂
idk about the other allegations against L.J. Shen, but at this point, there is no original cover. Plenty of romance books have very similar covers, same with YA fantasy and so on. I mean, I've seen the model on the original cover of Obsidian by Jennifer L. Armentrout on around 5 other book covers...
Tbh I kinda agree with that Instagram post about let’s talk about love. Im a pan ace and I always tell people that first thing more for my sake than theirs cuz I don’t want to be put into a situation that is potentially dangerous or uncomfortable
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personally I feel that searching your hashtag is akin to googling your name. you're going to find things you don't like, so don't search or be prepared for it. unless someone directly @'s (tags) you, its generally not for/towards you, its for readers & to get the post seen by the people looking for it specifically.
Aww Nigel is sooo cute 💜 and his yawning face is adorable 🥰
Thank you so much for your communitea videos that are awesome ❤❤❤
I saw Gavin's video where he talked about it and was upset. He is a respected booktuber especially for middle grade. Why would anyone come for him? Lol...they deserve the unhaul that he did of some of those authors books. Since he is in my opinion the biggest booktuber I know who does focus a lot in middle grade, those authors just shot themselves in the foot because he has such a large audience and people more than likely will not read them, I certainly won't.
This also lends to people who want to become a booktuber decide not to. My Booktube channel is small, but I will always be honest and he did his tactfully as do most others. It's our opinion, but what I don't like maybe someone else will. We're not trying to turn people away from a book, we're just explaining why it wasn't a good journey for us.
I am not author, a writer, mainly of fanfiction. Are there negative reviews? Sure. Does it hurt my feelings? Depends. If you're being nasty about it then yes, but if you're offering a critical review then no, or if you're saying how it didn't work for you and still sending people to read it for their opinion, definitely no problem.
Booktube is for people who love to read and to share their journeys with those books with others as well as recommend and keep each other in the loop when books come out. It is not for authors to troll and if you're sensitive then why the hell are you an author? You have to develop a thick skin to be an author because you're going to get rejected a ton of times before what you think is gold turns into gold, until then it's a pile of shit to publishers. Even then after you've cleaned it up and made it sparkly, it will be a piece of shit to someone, you will never please everyone. Authors need to understand that, art is in the eye of the beholder. I will not buy from crybabies that can't handle a negative review nor will I coddle you with a fake review. Either stop trolling or stop writing!
Love you Neeks for standing up for Gavin!
I actually had a couple of the unhauled titles on my tbr and now they aren't. This shit runs deep and hurts authors' pockets more than just keeping their mouth shut.
Well said!
@@ginnyvanoh yep, all of the authors are now on my do not buy list, a list I literally created because of them. I can support a ‘bad’ book but I won’t support a bad author.
I love everything you just said but I also have to tell you how much I love your dog (so smart too!) 🥰
I'm an author (still in the post-agent pre-published phase, though), and I will never stop being shocked and dismayed that authors actually reply to, harrass, and/or atttempt to guilt-trip reviewers for, y'know, REVIEWING. Elin's Hildebrand's thing about it being rude to include the author's name as a hashtag? BS. What's considered rude is @ the author with a negative review, because it feels like shoving the review in their face. But there's no reason you need to search your own name, unless you have an obsessive need to know what everyone is saying about you, which is frankly something you should be discussing with a therapist.
And all those authors clutching their pearls and acting like Gavin personally invented the concept of Best/Worst lists just to be mean to them... don't get me started. It burns me that "We need to lift each other up, not tear each other down," which is a useful phrase/concept for people trying to work together, has been co-opted by priviledged adults who can't tolerate criticism.
"Not arguing that bad reviews shouldn't exist" You basically told that reviewer that they should not write anything bad about your books or any other author's books ever because it hurts your feelings! It is called constructive criticism. Not everyone in the world is going to love your books. You are a grown woman and you definitely should have handled it better. Saying the review "made you wish you were never born" is NOT a zinger. It was pathetic and shameful and you should be embarrassed. I am embarrassed for you. Did you think everyone would back you on your "zinger"? You only said it was uncalled for when the backlash came. Some of these authors act like they are above criticism and no one should ever say anything bad about their books ever. Take the criticism and you can either learn and grow from it, or just ignore it and keep moving on. The review was not a personal attack on you. If your book wasn't that good to that person, then it is just not that good. If it is one bad review out of hundreds of good reviews, just let it go and move on. You want to create a book community in 2021 that is less hurtful to others, which translates to me as "Never ever write a bad review about me or any of my fellow authors again!"
Honestly. Please only write positive reviews - as if the world works like that ??
"This review makes me wish I'd never been born" okay I laughed. Like why would you say that??
WHO SAYS THAT ? So ridiculous
0:19 he did not hear "behaved" he only hear "**_TREAT_**"😂😂
I strongly disagree with the "reviews are for readers, not writers" argument.
If you're a writer and you don't care about your readers opinion, then what are you writing for? The money? I'm not saying authors should read reviews on a case to case, but to listen to the general idea of the readers and their general opinion.
Listening to the general criticism might help you be a better writer and damn - if you're in it for the money, listen to the big book tubers because those are the ones getting the masses to read or not your book.
But yeah. Don't get butthurt over the reviews.
I really think the genre and the kind of person attracted to that genre is what directs that interaction. I haven't seen any Booker level authors hop on social media to say critical reviews are bad, for instance. I saw one youtuber rip a book to shreds in a critical review, going so far to say it's the worst book he has read all year, and the author responded that he agreed. 😂 But I think if the response these authors have is to try to shut up reviewers, then they don't have the level of maturity to be consuming those reviews. They must only get positive praise for their books or something. Hildebrand was a real shock to me, she writes like a book every year or so and is always a big seller.
I wonder if Authors are allowed to read the reviews of ongoing series? They're not supposed to read fanfiction of their work because it would open them up to a plagiarism lawsuit. In many reviews people add predictions and expectations for series I wonder if that's off limits too. Maybe they have someone tell them the general public opinion 🤔
What I found eventually was that reviews contradict each other. There’s not much for authors to learn from them because everyone’s taste is so different. Communicating with the readers who enjoy my books is wonderful and that’s done more through my email newsletter and social media rather than in reviews.
I’m with you: My general understanding is that direct author tags are a no, hashtags are for readers/reviewers 🤷🏻♀️
Quickly, about the asexual thing. I'm ace. I don't tell people I'm ace immediately. I don't owe anyone my coming out. With the modern relationship we have with sex, there's a good chance the topic is going to come up soon enough, as we don't wait months anymore to have sex nowadays. So I'll be able to have a conversation about it before the relationship gets too involved. However, you know what I'm not gonna do? Put my identity out there, towards someone I barely know, when the reaction to ace people is still very much gear around "you're ill", "you have trauma", "you haven't met the right person yet", or worse but just as common "lemme fix that for you" (which more often than not, leads to assault btw). However, having that conversation with someone I already like and who, normally, likes me too, otherwise we wouldn't be dating, offers a sort of security, as well as the time to gage how they're gonna react. That's just basic safety, people. And the way this reviewer just expects things of ace people, and expects certain behaviours as well as judges us for our identity, is just disgusting. If it was in reverse and ace people were expecting things of allo people, we would be bashed to no end. And the argument of "I have ace friends!" is just gross. I pity your friends, and they really should stop seeing you.
I loved the colour treatment Bridgerton got, and the queen was life. This is the first big historical romance adaptation and hopefully it won’t be the last.
18:31 I'm so sorry for laughing but that is so relatable! I always jump whenever my doorbell rings as well 😂
"Alexa, play some clown music." 🤣🤣🤣
🤡🤡😂😂😂
I think there's a huge difference between telling everyone you meet you're ace and telling someone you are in a committed relationship with that you are ace. I haven't read the book in question yet so idk how deep in their relationship they were before they broke up because of sex, but I think there's probably a rule of thumb about when that comes up. If the ace character discovered their identity over the course of the relationship, that's one thing, but if the ace character entered the relationship knowing their identity and progressed in the relationship for a period of time without ever breaching the subject, that shows that the ace character doesn't trust their partner.
Relationships aren't just about one person, they are about the pair and finding the partnership that works best for both people involved. The ace character absolutely deserves to have romantic love without any pressure or expectation of sex, but that means finding either a partner who is also ace or demisexual, or a partner who values sexual contact low enough in their needs to be able to give it up without anger or resentment towards their ace partner. And the only way to find a partner like that is to be open with the partner at some point near the beginning. It doesn't need to be a first date topic, but sometime before like 5 dates you should probably have broached the topic. It's unfair for both people involved to draw it out for a length of time before talking about it. It's not like when the problem is when a partner wants to wait to have sex and the other partner isn't willing to wait. This is a partner that will never want to have sex, and it doesn't make the other partner the bad guy for realizing that isn't something they are willing to give up entirely and ending a relationship that can't go anywhere.
It's like the topic of children but in some ways more pressing. If one partner definitely wants kids and one is solidly child-free by choice, then a lasting relationship between the two cant last because one will have to completely give up their want in favor of the other. Both the decision to have children and the decision to have sex in a relationship is a zero-sum game. There is no compromise, one will get their way and one will not. And no relationship can or should survive that. There are so many people in the world, you shouldn't force a relationship where there is a critical difference. There are many differences that can be worked around and compromised and strengthen relationships, but these differences are not it. And concealing it from your partner and then getting upset when they decide it's not something they can live with is unfair. The ace character deserves better but so did their partner. It can be a bad match without saying that either partner themselves is bad.
okay but why did I replay your doorbell ringing like five times 😂😂
I just love your videos. I have learn so much about the publishing industry and authors. I would have never knew that authors can be such babies. Nigel is a bundle of joy.❤️.
“Girl go write another book.” 🤣
omg when you said: Alexa play some clown music.... My Alexa reacted to that lmao
🤣🤣🤣
ALSO... I now have an image in my head of Jennifer Lewis and Rita Moreno at a high tea shading each other and I NEED IT.
That comment on thinking "ace people need to disclose" is exactly the same way people talk to trans people. It isnt cool to trans folks, and it isnt cool to ace people. Also there's like an assumption that you are more or less owed sex when you enter a relationship with someone thats inherent in that insta comment. Regardless of whether or not your partners ace, you're not owed sex from your partner(s), and you shouldn't just assume you're gonna get it instead of just having a conversation with your partner(s).
I would just like to gently push back that at least in my culture - in Canada - there is a societal expectation that sex is a part of romantic relationships. Although, the reviewer probably did not communicate their point well. I interpreted that the person was saying if you are ace, before you agree to a relationship, the person should probably know that you are ace. That is probably not the best way to describe it.
I think it's better to say that if sex is completely off the table for you, as in not something you are willing or able to provide to a partner at any point ever, you should probably make that clear to them sooner rather than later. Not just for their sake, but for your own, so that you don't get too invested in a relationship with someone who is not comfortable within your boundaries. The same way you should communicate if you do not want to marry or do not want to have children.
Ultimately, if there is something that you are not willing/able to provide to your partner, you should let them know as soon as possible (and they should do the same with you). Just as you should with any of your dealbreakers. It's not just for the sake of the other person, it is for your own sake so that you don't end up investing in someone who is fundamentally incompatible with you.
I don't know the author, but I think a lot of authors have no control over the choice of the book cover? Not that this excuses the rest :')
I'm amazed how much energy authors have to go through the publishing process only to get irritated by some reviews on the internet. Completely agree, go write another book instead :'D
Thanks for sharing this with us, hope you have a good start into 2021 💖
One thing I will never understand is fiction authors, especially SSF/speculative fiction authors, not including POC characters because it's not "historically accurate" or whatever tf. I'm not reading a textbook, what history are we talking about!?
Okay this intro is all of us in 2020 and I freaking appreciate it.
I’ve never seen any of Gavin’s videos, but I specifically paused this video so that I could subscribe to him. I respect the way he didn’t back-track or apologise because we all know he did absolutely nothing wrong. If authors don’t want to watch their work being talked about in a less than perfect light, I suggest NOT clicking on a video specifically stating “most disappointing reads of the year”... Like, how hypocritical can you get?
Exactly! I’m so glad he stood his ground. Those authors are ridiculous
I'm ace, and while I didn't love LTAL as much as I hoped I would, that take on it has me FUMING. If you want to tell every person you meet exactly what your sexual preferences are immediately upon meeting them, fine, you do you. But I am under no obligation to do so. It is up to me to decide when and how to tell others about my sexual orientation, just the way it is for anyone of any sexual orientation.
That being said, I personally like to let people know relatively early on. But even if I didn't, it wouldn't be anybody's business to tell me otherwise.
I might be wrong, but to me it sounded like the character didn’t say anything until after being in an official exclusive relationship. Like if you’re going on dates, no need to say right away. But isn’t it odd to get into a actual relationship and then say, btw I don’t ever want to have sex? Am I misunderstanding that?
I feel so bad about the whole thing with Gavin. He's just the purest soul out there and his video was in no way mean-spirited. He doesn't offend any of the authors of the books he talks about, he just gives his opinion. Honestly I don't follow too many booktubers consistently, but he's one of the most positive people that always brings a smile and passion with his videos, and he's done great things to promote middle grade. He REALLY didn't deserve this in my opinion.
Toxic positivity is a thing and we shouldn't stand for this as a community.
You need an Ipad for these videos for Nigel's comfort lol. Its so cute how he snuggles.
I should get an iPad for Nigel 😂
Authors behaving badly 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you come up with the funniest things! Your face when the bell goes off 🤣🤣🤣 I’m not gonna lie I rewound and watched that part like 5 times I’m dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂 when I was editing, Nigel kept barking in real life to the sound of the doorbell in the video 💀
Nigel is just I was going to say a mood, but let's be real he's several moods. 😂 😍 him-Best Co-Star Ever!
On the topic of the very similar covers: It's not like its a new phenomenon for lesser known works to make similar covers to very popular works. That's why we have cover trends in general. pretty girl in a ball gown facing away from the camera, and even having similar colors, does not constitute "stealing" covers. The models arent even in the same pose. I think at worst you could call it a knockoff. Also: with the Devil Wears Black cover - like... wedding cake and a trident fork seems like.... like I haven't read the book - but those are both very common, obvious symbols for weddings and the devil....... so, again, can't really say that was stealing - it's not stealing to use common tropes in your visual design.
That jump scare 😱 I also was not expecting a visitor lol. My life flashed before my eyes.
MINE TOO
Book folks were overreacting over the Netgalley breach yet doing their rants on Twitter which was also breached this yr and they didn't even know.
If I ever wrote a book and it ended up doing okay, I'd immediately hire a P. R firm to take my phone from me. These authors get wild on Twitter
0:18 Nigel: yes hello i'm hosting this week's video
Negative reviews are a part of EVERYTHING. Movies, books, shoes, food, the list goes ON. They're part and parcel of the process. Not all books are to everyones taste.
To me, reviewing etiquette is that you don’t @ the author, hashtags are fine- it’s how other readers find relevant reviews 🤷♀️
We love casual aphobia in the book community... :) As someone who is on the a-spectrum this is really just fucked up to demand of aces to disclose our sexuality when we are not ready to do so. I could literally rant over how aphobic the whole world is, but being in the book community and finding people like said example... Man, I'm really just exhausted of allos... Let's Talk About Love was the first book I saw myself represented, and while it is not without its flaws it's not for allos to say anything about the representation, especially when they are not at all familiar with said sexuality.
I love that your dog's name is Nigel, like a fancy British guy.
As someone who works in the deep weird cybersec space, this isn't a new trend but it is definitely a growing one. I'm super pumped to see a booktuber actually report on it. And if you're curious it's rare that these types of phishing schemes end up having a large, organised goal regarding the published/unpublished work, and rather it is about compromising the email or agent. If you can get someone to send an unpublished manuscript why can't you get them approve a wire fund transfer (which is particularly lucrative when phishing publishers that use overseas suppliers) or to later trick the agent into somehow compromising the actual email account itself. Also... it's possible the attackers know the business lingo and processes used by those publishers because they're already in the publisher's/agent's network and passively monitoring their email traffic. Many of these attacks are multi-tier so this could be a first step of many to meet scammers actual goal. (AND USE DIFFERENT PASSWORDS for every site!! And you can check your "breach status" at haveibeenpwned.com
Oh wow!! I wouldn’t think of that 😮. And I have so many different passwords 😩😩😩 I can never remember them all. I checked that site and I’ve been compromised like 6 times 😂
@@JessOwens It's great that you use different passwords! I know people that use the same two on everything and it gives me heart palpitations! 😂 And it happens to us all - I even work in cyber sec, and I've been compromised a few times because of corporations getting hacked (usually due to their negligence...not yours or mine). I now use a password manager and absolutely recommend it. (I use 1Password, but there are tons out there). :)
I honestly don’t know about the cover stealing. A ton of indie romance authors use the same stock photos for their covers, so they don’t have any exclusivity with the photo, but it’s a lot more affordable for them. Because of this, I see the same model photos (sometimes different things added on over the models) on multiple book covers, and that’s not stealing. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t instances when they are flat out stealing. And I’m a romance reader who will not be reading L. J. Shen so I’m certainly not defending her. ♥️🥂
I feel like this happens a lot and no one really "poo-poos" it because it can work in your favor at some point. And really, how many baking cozy mysteries are there with the same idea of a kitchen and a baked good with something forming a skull? Tons.
Okay, so I’m finally catching up on this Book CommuniTEA, and I have some thoughts on the “Let’s Talk About Love” story as an ace woman.
*edit, because I initially said it was the first story in the video when it wasn’t. I’m binging the playlist and they blurred together haha
I’m 20, and am potentially just entering my first relationship (we’re not on campus now, I’m in college, so we’re hoping to be able to hang out and get to know each other in person when we go back for spring semester).
I’ve always felt behind my peers and terrible about myself because of this, and my asexuality in our sex crazed society. One of the first things I discussed once we had talked for a while and began to think we could be a good match was my asexuality. I found out, while he isn’t as familiar with the terminology, he had never had sex either and wasn’t really interested. It was a relief to hear this- we were in the same place in a crucial part of romantic relationships.
I agree with the original poster that it is, in general, a good thing to know before entering into a relationship. However, I also agree with the critiques that there are cases where people might not be ready to disclose that and shouldn’t be forced to (though broadly sprawling I think that might be a sign you’re not ready to date).
What I 100% agree with the original poster, however, is that this main character had NO right to get upset at her ex for breaking up with her because they wanted sex in the relationship. It sucks and it hurts, but that is a natural consequence of not being on the same page in such a central part of relationships from the beginning. The main character had every right to grieve, but should understand (or perhaps have a journey of growing to understand) that her partner had every right to break things off and look for a relationship where she can be fully fulfilled in what she wants.
I understand if someone is not ready to share, but if they chose to enter into a relationship before they are ready, they have to accept the possibility of this outcome.
The whole section of Nigel getting in the way and you trying to work around him is like a regular occurrence between my cat, Ace and I 🤣
I always hashtag authors and titles because I, like you, thought it was a good way for fellow readers to find peer reviews! I’ve never read from Elin before and looks like I won’t ever. Also MaryKay is being put on that list as well. A sassy review like that especially referencing Passions would have gotten me to actually pick up that book or series. If I’m honest. Sometimes you really just want a little trash reading. Some authors need to realize that while their books aren’t Pulitzer winners if there is readability it has value and if you have a loyal following hell yes! But those of us who read diversely and a little bit of everything are probably not gonna love every mainstream authors book that gets published. (Nora Roberts, James Patterson, etc. )
I didn't expect people to start using "I am not aphobic, I have ace friends" yet here we are...
Yet here we are.
My manuscript was stolen after it was already released for sale on the market. Now there is a fictional story and a non-fiction ( mine) version. Mine was sold to a publisher from the repeat infringing leader of the gang. I tried to sue but the four women kept going from Country to Country, never letting me catch them all at once. Auctioned their mansions off in one day, had family stalking me, sending stuff to my home during the lawsuits. It was nuts. I've spent close to $30,000 for nothing. Nobody got served and two different attorneys took my $10,000 cash and ran. I have found a lot of authors use the same designer for covers and that could be why so many covers are so similar more than likely not stealing on purpose. I use the same two cover designers and they produce very similar covers (not to each other but to their other work) pretty often to stay on the top ten cover list.
Omg 😯😯😯 I’m so sorry
"I put a bra on for ya, so you should be grateful." --- that is my motto.