Alter Sleeves - Product Review!
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- www.altersleeves.com/alters
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Thanks for the review! We seriously appreciate the feedback and are already working on improvements. As others have pointed out, these are artists submissions. We have no direction in what is made. Even our tokens are at the direction of the artist who made them. We hope the marketplace will eventually have something for all tastes, full art, art extensions, art box only replacements. Hope when we've moved from prototype to what our final product looks like we can get you a few more samples for a final review. Cheers!
Well the fact that you're an artist marketplace certainly changes that whole discussion. I would consider that a selling point of your product - you should make that more obvious on your website, I think a lot of people would be excited about that! :)
MTG Degree we definitely will. It honestly is a bit challenging to get everything out and clear with a totally new concept like this. Most focus is just on the alters not the business model 😉 We'll get there. Thanks again for your support
Gotta say, as a person who always wanted to alter their cards, but don't want to paint or draw on it this is a very cool idea!
I thought that the Sol Ring bleed through looked cool, just because the bright spot on the original Sol Ring lines up with God's fingertip
I disagree with his statement about art quality completely. The pieces that were shown are definitely something I think is super cool and am thinking about checking out and possibly buying when I have the money. That's where I disagree with the video, the art is fine lol.
As long as the original name, original CMC, and original rules text are unchanged and 100% readable the alter is generally tournament legal. It is still up to individual judges per event though. So that Sol Ring would actually likely be legal.
At least there are some smart people @you
Hey! I´m the artist that made both the Sol Ring and the Force of Will you showed. Thanks for the feedback! We´re working more and more to cater to most tastes. Thank you again!
Damaride Neurommancer that Force of Will was absolutely gorgeous, excellent work!
@@gavinhinden9895 Thanks! I saw it as the final product (the printed sleeve) and it looks amazing!
Pretty sure Michelangelo made the sol ring sleeve lmao
@@fred-ss4ym It was me, channeling Michelangelo while being drunk (I'm Italian)
No joke, I hand-painted the hands first, then built some of it digitally.
Damaride Neurommancer if you have a art Instagram, I’d love to support such a talented artist
Hello! Thanks for review AlterSleeves! I'm one of the artist that worked and he's still working on Sleeves for AS (The Ezuri you show in your video is mine). I have to let you know that Alter Sleeves doesn't have an Art Director, Alter Sleeves isn't commissioning directly artist like Wotc does, with instruction on what kind of art a precise Sleeve/card needs to have. It'll be a marketplace system, not a production product: every artist will have his marketplace where he'll upload his own alters. Buying the Sleeves will support AS and the artist you're buying from. I hope this clear a lot. Cheers.
Hey, that sleeve was great, good work. I looked at the website and Kickstarter, and I guess it wasn't obvious that it was a marketplace setup. I agree that changes the discussion about the art direction.
Couple of things.
1. Customers will be able to order sleeves based on the set. So there will be different option for different set prints of the same card.
2. It is set up as a market place system. Similar to Inked Gaming mats. The art that is up on the site mostly isn't commission by AS. So in theory, the better art for a Top will sell more than a 'poor' art.
3. People will be able to commission their own art to print onto the sleeves if they don't like what is available on the site.
Couple of things. One, that is a very interesting concept, it wasn't really clear to me that it was more of a marketplace. And two, anyone who likes alter videos should definitely check out your TH-cam channel :)
@@MTGDegree 😮 thank you! I haven't been able to make videos in a while because of the baby.
I disagree on the art, i actually really liked the divining tops art. It is not hyper real, but more impressionist and I really enjoy that style myself. I dont think it is nessesarily a quailty problem but more of a taste thing.
Not a fan of alters but making the sleeves show alternate art seems like a pretty cool idea that doesn't affect the original card.
I actually really like all of the art and style for the sleeves and human token
I think the way the sol ring art was made is really good because when something glows, the center is supposed to be more "opaque" than the light that surrounds it.
Altering without altering. Genius!
These things look freaking amazing. I haven’t gotten into paper magic in a while but if anything could convince me to build an edh deck, it would be getting to customize all the card art.
I wouldn't use these in my main decks but I can see it being very nice for all my commanders in my edh decks
*cough cough* someone please do scion of the ur dragon and mizzix of the izmagus
I just recieved an alter for Meren of Clan Nel Toth. I love the artwork and it looks great! Only thing for possible improvements would be what this gentleman said about putting the matte finish over the completed product to reduce that glare from the sleeve and help blend the alter with the card itself. But please keep up the great work and I will definitely be ordering more soon!
I feel like mabey you were supposed to still be able to see the bright parts of sol ring on the alter. It would make sense at least because it seems like it should be giving off light.
Cool concept, best of luck!
Are these the full-sized sleeves or perfect fit inner sleeves? It would be great if I can fit them in dragon shields.
I mean don't know for sure, but it looks like inner sleeve just by the fact that there doesn't appear to be any room for moving
@@robertwhittick6427 I see. I wonder how bad the glare is when double sleeved. Wished he could've showed that
they are perfect fits
While these look really awesome, I have one question? Do these work with normal sleeves, or not as a commander player, I'd love to use these, but will they work with my dragon shield sleeves?
Any comment on double sleeving? Do they fit, does it change the glare issue, does it make it more or less obvious the alter is on the sleeve and not the card, shuffle feel without being double sleeved, art longevity after sleeving?
This is a pretty good review with the information you have, great ideas!
What do they fit into? I know katana's don't like non ultimate shield perfect fits
I've been following them for a while! I want some so badly
www.altersleeves.com/alters
There's the gallery, best part of their website :)
I might pick some of these up
Do the alter sleeves fit inside normal sleeves?
Dope they're enhancing the art
sorry the question maybe pops, but why put the envelopes by inserting the cards from below? Is not the opposite better?
Dave Nibbio these are meant to be inner sleeves for double sleeving. Put the card in from the bottom for the inner sleeve and from the top for the outer sleeve basically makes the card waterproof.
What deck builders toolkit is concentrated with big creatures. I was thinking ixalan but idk ive been having trouble looking for one plz help
Focus on singles, net deck to help you keep prices low and brew what you want to build irl
Very cool! Great review! 10/10 content!
That top though OMFG *drools*
This might be a stupid question, but... since that particular alter sleeve isn't going to mesh with anything other than a Sensei's Divining Top anyway, why not just copy the art from the visible part of the card to the sleeve art, instead of have that gap there for the card art to show through? It would solve the glare issue. So the product would be like the first Sol Ring shown here, with the art being what the end result of using the Top alter sleeve looks like.
We cannot copy or use any part of the original card, it's copyright infringement.
I like the videos that are more in the vein of "how to be a nicer player" video concept.
Alter Sleeves are legal as long as you can have the original text and cmc of the card plus the real card under the sleeves then it's 100% legal I played a 80% alter sleeved deck at a MTG event that had judges watching and they told me that
Can you play with altered cards?
Are they tight enough fit to put a sleeve over it? Also do they make foils? Lol
Eric Schaeffer they're perfect fit size so they fit inside any outer sleeve. We don't make foil inner sleeves yet but will be exploring options like that for sure after launch.
All alters are up to the discretion of the head judge at the event you're playing at. Being if these are perfect fit style sleeves in my opinion are likely to be allowed.
I like the idea of this a lot. Looks like once they are up and running the store it will be about $5 per sleeve. Hopefully they will have package deals. For Example, my EDH deck has 15 mountains. That adds up. After browsing the site there is a large variance of styles so while some I felt were sub par or not my taste, there were others that looked great.
The only issue I’d have is when they introduce new artwork for reprints. You’d have to wait until they design a new one for the same card.
no matt finish needed. It's athing you can play with this in your altert art. Wright way done it looks better and more interesting. I think they can improve on resolution.
I've been in many of tournament s will fully altered cards and the judge allowed it. Changing the art isn't the issue. Rather it's changing it to look like a different one. As long as you keep the name of the card in tact and the cmc
Id buy it
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I'm buying an alter sleeve to cover up the art for my Nether Void, because the artist is a... how shall we say... fan of the german government of the 1930s and early 1940s. Interesting use case for the product, lol
What they should do is focus on making sleeves for famous decks so that they can all look on flavor. Thats something I would buy. Like imagine if you could get sleeves for your entire Hollow One deck which would make the entire deck look egyptian based and on theme or sleeves which would make every card in an infected deck appear sick/infected. Thats something people would buy. Entire deck sleeves.
We currently have some working on Tron!
So that is a thing in the works. :)
As Hurley Burley said the first one of those you'll see is Tron: here's a few signature pieces: instagram.com/p/BvwSJIwnD27
@@altersleeves thats really cool. Like really awesome. Mind if I ask what your predicted price point will be for entire deck sleeves like that? Also, you might want to think about putting the Artist's name on the bottom left and the year on the right. If everything goes well, they might end up being collectible.
Joe Schmo we're not sure about a deck price yet. Single sleeve price is $8 including global shipping and a guarantee on fit and alignment. Price for a completed deck will be cheaper than 75 time that though. As for signature we do not have a policy on that instead relying on the artist to decide how to display the original or their own artist name. The nice thing is that due to the sleeve design it's easy to move the alter and check an artist info or even remove it if it's declined by a judge for a tournament.
Alter Sleeves should definitely think of a policy. Push your artists front and center. If you could get price point to $30-40 for a full 75. Maybe do a package with on theme outer protector sleeves and deck box all for around $50-60, I think you would do really well. Good luck!
7:24 totally agree. I think they should go with higher standards
thats neat but how is this tournament legal at all?
I want this so much c:
Shat an interesting product!!!!
I love them
Why are complete art alters not legal?
Probably something to do with the feel of the cards.
It's up to the judge, but they generally are tournament legal. Not sure where he's getting that they aren't from.
I think its good that you can tell that its a sleeve and its not the real art otherwise anytime you play with someone your opponent will be comfused
What about old school sol ring
If the art is on the sleeve, then the art will decay just by shuffling and you will have to buy new sleeves again and again, no ?
Not if you double-sleeve your cards, which you should be doing anyway. A bit of care and you'd be able to keep the sleeves for a long time!
@@CyanideLilith Ah ok i didn't even notice that these are inner sleeves. Thanks :)
You're welcome! It's a common misconception, but I can see why.
Unless the art (unlike the text boxes) of the card is in the same place each time, I think you would have to produce different sleeves for each set.
obviously divining top sleeve doesnt work with anything else
Monthly video?
:edit: this doesn't apply ay more - read the comments for clarification
I was really debating there kickstarter, but there was one artist, the one who did the cats that made me question how serious they were. his art was the same kind, and all over the place so i didnt know if they would be funnling alot of there money into that artist, and if they were i didnt want to support them.
WaitingForPlayers the artist your speaking of is one of the guys from StrictlyAverageMTG and designed that cat as their mascot. What's cool is we don't funnel our money anywhere. We created a platform so that he could create those and other artists could create what they like. If you like his work you can buy one if not you don't need to. It's an open marketplace that requires the work to be original. Hopefully you'll find other work by the time we open to the public you enjoy. Www.altersleeves.com/alters
@@altersleeves oh that's alot different then i thought, thanks for the clarification
And war of the spark?
Like the idea. At $8 each, not a chance.
Are they perfect fits?
They are!
Didn't know you were still around.
Wow honestly forgot this was a channel
To the "art" point, i think they are trying to make it still look like a "painted alter" so thats why things arent as defined. It's supposed to look like a painting just like the original MTG artworks.
i would find it hard to believe that the "alter" would make it non tournament legal, if a player had a question about the card it could be easily removed from the sleeve, also unless im mistaken or the rules were changed, the official stance on alters was that the name and mana cost must not be altered in any meaningful way.
I find that some of the criticisms could have been validated by using the product as intended: as an inner sleeve. Put it in an outer sleeve then evaluate it like you already said in the video. And since art taste is subjective, they can't cater to everyone. What if some people loved the Divining Top art? And changing them to be more realistic or whatever to suit your or your friend's taste would turn other people off?
Why can't you use alters in a tournament lol?
Can stand altered cards above $10 mint price
I'm a fan of the token sleeves's artist(Baerthe), right now I'm aware he is working on more Alter Sleeves and I'm looking forward to it. I donated to the KS, just waiting to place my order now.
Cool, but can never be used for competitive play
ah man I thought they were selling actual alters lol
I don't like that dissing of the Doomblade alter, the sensei divining top art or art deco as a whole. I know you don't think some of the art to your personal standards, but that art is by no means objectively low quality art. I am glad it's just a marketplace and not a company, but you sounded a little bit too authoritative about what art should and shouldn't be included.
It's a good review, but every time it was a subjective opinion on art I had to disagree. Art is like that guess. You try to not care about something that is said about some random art but all can't help, but want to say "I disagree".
I believe he means that that kind of art will be less universaly liked and bc of that it wont sell as much, he is thinking how they can make their product better
The concept is cool but I don't think is is a product I would ever buy.
Please look up the rules about alters in tournaments next time before talking about them.
Don't criticize them too much I think they did dam good job for their 1st time and we should praise them for doing so
No, we gotta compliment what we like and (constructively) criticize what we don't so that they improve and make their products even better.
Instead of sleeves that should use clear cards to stack on top of the normal cards
Clearly he’s got a very low understanding of art. They look wonderful.
I think this product is way too niche to ever succeed. How can they make money when you at most want 4 of the same sleeve? Plus the quality of the sleeve looks pretty bad, especially compared to other perfect fits like KMC's.
We print to order, like RedBubble or Inked. We can print a single design once or a thousand times it makes no difference to our inventory or supply chain. As for quality, it's hard to see that in a video but we use blank sleeves that are indistinguishable from KMC. Same material, size, etc. I guarantee you would not be able to pick them from KMC in a pile. Hope you get a chance to see them in real life sometime, the quality has consistently been reviewed well.
Bad takes all around, that’s crazy.
low budget stuff.