Snek. Also...I hope this video doesnt have any...rendering + processing errors. It's been through a bit of questionable processing and I think it finally killed my PC.
I know this is off-topic with the video, but I noted something suspicious about artifact lore. Remember how the Pale Flame artifact set talks about the harbingers? Well I recently found that the description of the Surpassing Cup piece, which describes Scaramouche, doesn't change after you complete the 3.3 archon quest, in which this knowledge should have been erased from all records of Teyvat. Thoughts?
@@Generalofthe5001st It seems very much like a gameplay motivated decision. Because if they remove that lore, then they'd have to do *something* about HoOD, right? They can't keep some artifact lore and remove that same lore, just from a different set. That just wouldn't make much sense. But then... what DO they do with an ENTIRE SET dedicated to a person who doesn't exist anymore as far as Irminsulis concerned? While I can see how they'd handle Pale Flame's lore, (like having a paragraph about how the 6th seat has always been empty and whatever) but they'd have to remove Husk from the game for it all to not be a bit illogical after the memory wipe, no? And that would just be a very, very dumb move. So, instead of having to deal with that, they just decided to keep all Wanderer's artifact lore. They might explain it later down the line, but right now? Probably don't have an idea of how the artifacts aren't affected.
Wait, wasnt there lore that said that Orobaxi actually made a contract with Celestia that he would give his life in order for them to be allowed to live up at the surface again? That means that his invasion actually was forced by Celestia so that Ei would slay him.
Yeah, they are on surface, then what, their island cannot do basic farming, people are starving. Orobaxi can't take it longer so decide to commit suicide and by the way receive celestia's punishment so his people can be under Makoto's rule
@@antm9771 dude, I wasnt trying to say those issues didnt exist. Just that there is lore that say Celestia would have pushed him to suicide no matter if the conditions were perfect for them. Its another layer, not a contradiction.
@@Sakuyamon Oh but thats not what I meant. They were outcasted as we know from the celestial atlas, Byakuyakukou was an ancient civilization linked to the primordial rule. They knew of Ishtaroth, the godess of time, the primordial one and its other 3 shades. They knew of the time before sun and moon, and the reign of the drakes and the cycle of life and reincarnation of these same drakes. They had disclossed information about the very begining of Celestia and the time before that because they were part of it. They had this information written in the book before sun and moon, and the problem was that they knew too much. Celestia outcasted them from Teyvat into the sea of monsters, and they ended up stranded in the collision of the realms between Vishaps , Void and Humanity. Once they were brought to the surface by Orobashi, whom created Watatsumi island for them it was that during the transition between both places that Orobashi found and read before Sun and Moon, and knowing that these people was in danger, Orobashi made a pact with Celestia in which he would relinquish its life and Celestia would forgive Byakuyakoku for their sins. We dont know the specifics of the details, but yeah Orobashi sacrificed itself in order to save Byakuyakoku from the celestial wrath.
Orobashi was never presented in any voiced form? They can retell the story if they want to for that. One of the reasons i think they do not is because... its possible he was not killed because of reading the book but because he doubted the contents. And thats a pretty huge blow
majority if not all of inazuma story shouldve been handled better. some of the decisions didnt make sense and if its behind obscure lore as in books or artifacts or 5* characters that is horrendous story telling for game/comic media. The phrase "Show dont tell" comes to mind also the decisions of raiden shogun/ei made no sense and her bastard that is wandabeesh didnt fall too far from the tree. Hence why sumeru's story is such a breath of fresh air so far.
It’s truly tragic how they butchered Inazuma’s Archon Quest. Just imagine how awesome it would have been if it was handled the same way they did Sumeru😔😔😔
@@Tm-dy2bp Wow overreacting a bit? The only thing Inazuma really is criminal for is the rushed pacing from event to event that made what were supposed to be important plot points trivial as things just kept moving on. Sumeru worked fantastically primarily because things were allowed to breathe and characters were treated with purpose. Surprise surprise that Ei's reasonings for her actions are disagreeable to us when that's the intended point and flaw to her character that's supposed to be challenged. Are they understandable for her circumstances yes, does it justify the ramifications no hence conflict.
Imagine an Inazuma Archon Quest where things were allowed to slow down and build. Teppei's death more naturally build up than just consecutively popping up and back with cough until death. The Resistance playing a planned role with Yae, Kokomi, and Ayato to get the Traveler their last chance at Raiden instead of being offscreened. Maybe have such a plan concocted after Signora's defeat and the Traveler leaves afraid to get close to Tenshukaku after seeing Raiden's power. Instead it was quick escalation of events until the end.
2:06 A little fun fact: Engulfing Lightning is called Grasschnitterstrahl in the german version of the game. This roughly means grass cutting beam which is very similar to Susanoo‘s weapon
I feel like Ei's story quest should have explored Orobashi's lore, similar to how Zhongli revealed the truth of Havria. But in general Ei's quests should've centered around her youkai friends and gods not a tea npc (as you can see, I'm still so salty on the wasted potential tbh).
Ei's second story quest is the perfect story quest for her. It revolved around Inazuma, how important she was to the people and what the Electro Archon meant to the people during a time of crisis. Your "Tea NPC" also showed how Ei and Makoto behaved and how they treasured everyone in Inazuma. The quest showed that Ei is taking actions in order to undo the wrongs she committed because she knew she had a duty to every single dead Inazuman who died for her country, doesn't matter which NPC it was. Ei cares about everyone in the country and her 2nd quest showed that.
lmao no. Ei's quests being about her dead friends is just beating on a dead horse, while yes, they should be brought up in regards to her initial pursuit in eternity, they don't have the importance to have such focus after that.
@@itsmewhoknows What if she got a 3rd story quest? One where a young Ronin (15-16) is seeking revenge after his father went crazy due to losing his vision and ended up killing his mom and himself. And the story quest is about her and the Traveler getting an anonymous tipoff, (The Ronin) which Kujou Sara shared with them. It said that someone would be hunting the Traveler. Little did they know, that they were hunting Raiden rather than the Traveler. Most of the story would be Raiden spending the day with Traveler and intimidating anyone she found suspicious or too close to the Traveler. Around the middle the Ronin would reveal himslef during a one man ambush and immediately go for Raiden who blocked his attack. After being asked he would state who he is and his intentions. (Killing Raiden after what happened) After hearing of this, Raiden would tell the Traveler to stay out of it as it was her fault and her fight. Near the beginning of the fight she convinced him not to fight her which worked. Or so she thought. He pulls a surprise attack in, Slashing her right cheek and stomach which pisses her off. She'd fight more fiercely until he gets tired and loses his sword while blocking and she stabs him. The story quest would have a sadder ending with the boy laughing as blood drips from his mouth taunting her sisters and her friends and their deaths. Raiden gets fed up, and says something along the lines of "I, have shown you ENOUGH mercy." And then she finishes him off. The Traveler can either comfort her or disagree stating that she should have spared him as he was young, foolish, and angry and ultimately didn't want to harm anyone other than her. She would either thank the Traveler for their comfort, or get Angry for a moment but ultimately relent realizing they were right.
Hell no, that tea old man alongside all the memories of the samurais being reawakened are what gave Ei a chance to see how people looked at the former Electro Archon, Makoto with love and care. She realized that she neglected these people and their wishes of ages long past, and how she was still doing the same
I feel the snake around Baizu neck is orobashi, kinda same what happened to guba, look like he sacrificed his original body to avoid getting killed and turned to that tiny snake, if I am not mistaken when first time we met Baizu that snake was talking
I don't think the tatarigami are remnants of Orobashi's wrath, but rather of his sadness and resentment. He always thought of himself as "not worthy of being a god", and was ultimately forced by his people (and Celestia) to sacrifice his life. His lingering feelings and remaining power would manifest the tatarigami.
Theres abit of info you missed about orobashi's inspirations Hes also based on the sea kami, ōwatatsumi,which is also believed to be another name for Ryujin.
What confuses me is Celestia said no to Orobaxi's pacifism, but yes to Deshret's sharing of the title with Nabu Malikata and Rukkhadevata. While yes, Deshret and Nabu Malikata eventually both died, there was still a point in time where all 3 ruled Sumeru together. Maybe one of the Orobaxi's profanities is not having human followers
I always interpreted it as Orobaxi fled to stay alive, and the Sumeru gods all seemingly had a truce to not fight/kill each other for the gnosis so there was no need for fight vs flight afaik?
@@adiaphoros6842 Didn't Celestia offer him the Dendro gnosis, with him replying roughly, in modern broken English parlance: "lol nah fam I ain't need that shit, we good."?
@@Preaplanes Yes, but Celestia left Sumeru alone even after he unleashed the forbidden knowledge onto the world. Only really appearing before Rukkhadevata to give her the Dendro Gbosis.
I don't his her reincarnation but Kokomi being reincarnation of water sovereign of water probably beside maybe watatasumi can revive orobashi since his remain still their tbh
its stated that the divine priestess has the will of orobashi in her, and is meant to fulfill his role of protecting the island due to that will being given to them. Kokomi is most likely somewhat related to orobashi if not by blood then at the very least by purpose. she doesnt have different eyes, coral coloured hair, and an affinity for water for no reason that much is clear.
I personally interpret the tatarigami as a manifestation of some underlying resentment Orobaxi had towards their fate. After all, you can still feel resentment while accepting it.
Enkanomiya is one of the lores that I hold dearest, because I initially wanted to speed-run it to get Yae Miku's ascension mats, and thought it was filler content... but boy was I wrong. Learning about Orobashi and Before Sun and Moon, this is when I finally convinced myself that Celestia had a lot to hide. The truth about Vishaps, Enkanomiya, and the Sunchildren, and definitely to note the music... Hoyo really knows how to create a beautiful convoluted mess of a story. Thanks for this vid Aster!
orbashi seems to of had a cool human form to teach them how to fish and so on he seems to be quite wise but maybe just lonely so yeah also the fact he did experemnts and stuff is cool i kinda want more watastumi charcters
i mean moussin hitotachi or whatever the sword ei uses kinda slashes the island in half and naturally divides narukami territory from watatsumi territory. So yes maybe he did it intentionally and if he didnt then id say Ei did.
@@arbalest327 what i meant was that if shogun wanted to invade watatsumi They could just sail around the island and reach watatsumi that way And at that point orobashis thing wouldn't do anything
I vaguely remember something about a Whale type entity that went too into Inazuma direction when Orobashi was Killed, and I have the theory that Orobashi Knew that the people he protected would have been cursed too if Celestia Finds out that he Knows the truth, Being killed by the Narukami was just a coincidence, he went out to die avoiding the possible fate for Watatsumi
One thing I wonder is that the Tataragami is purple, much like the dark mud of the Chasm. I wonder if when he was slain, it caused a small rupture between the human realm and abyss, which contaminated his remains into Tataragami…?
If we assume that this coloring is meant to show that both are a form of corruption, we can tie them also to the depiction of the "forbidden knowledge" spreading through the sumeru desert, as well as the mist (representing the encroachment of the void realm), shrouding the towers around Enkanomiya, which were also purple so perhaps you might be on to something. So far I think it would be safe to conclude that, most of the time dark purple is related to the void and the gold light is related with the elemental (light) realm.
The immortal snake or the snake that chases life is a fairly common concept in mythology, not as common as the malicious snake but still quite common. This is rooted from the way snakes shed skin and seemingly deaging as well as the way snake venom was sometimes used as medicine. The immortal snake is depicted in honkai through mobius and in genshin through both orobashi and baizhu, but ironically, orobashi is the one who chases life while baizhu is the one who seeks immortality.
Do you intend to make more videos about gods? Decarabian and Andrius would be two very interesting gods to debate, especially decarabian, because some of the actions he committed are very similar to Ei's but with different reasons, besides that he is a god that is not much commented on in the community.
Decarabia at the beginning he only wanted to protect his people but like the Greek myths of creation, he in his desperation to protect him became a tyrant taking away his freedom and imprisoning them, but unlike Ei, this was for fear of losing his status, his people , for his own ego. In the case of Ei it is similar but it was because she had suffered all the losses and was left alone, no matter how surrounded she was and seeing all the suffering that happened to her nation and all that was lost in the war against Khaenri. 'ah she wanted to prevent this from suffering again, but of course Makoto her sister had possibly seen this and she knew that one day her sister Ei would understand what she was looking for in eternity. Ei changed but not his ideals, he still continues to protect what inazuma promised his people eternity, he did it for his people without seeking reward, power, adoration or anything that benefits him, just to protect his people.
@@Rozherhn Decarabian was disconnected with the people, but that doesn't make him a tyrant. Decarabian created a barrier to protect his people from the Andrius he was at war with, while Ei shut down Inazuma to protect his people from what?? There is a difference between protecting yourself from a real threat and a hypothetical threat. The fact that Ei suffered is not a justification for the sakoku decree she implemented, which was apparently not that long ago implemented, such a decree that basically, almost everyone in Inazuma is against, including people from the Tenryou Commission. this alone shows that Ei is just as disconnected with the people as Decarabian, but unlike Decarabian, Ei neglected the people, putting a puppet to lead the nation. Ironically, her "Eternity" did more damage to Inazuma than the Fatuis themselves. All things considered, it can be argued that Ei and Decarabian aren't very different, just with different justifications, plus it's obvious that if things had continued as they were, Ei would have ended up the same as Decarabian.
I agree with Absalom. Decarabian shut people inside to protect them from being frozen to death at that moment, and the snowstorm outside can actually kill every single mondstadtian at that moment. Ei closed off inazuma because she afraid of the changing of the future, a future threat. So yea, it's kinda different. Besides, Ei's suffer doesn't mean she could control people (by taking away their visions) in order to "not suffer" like her, it sounds kinda unhealthy to me
@@dizzynecro9944 The Shogun or Ei does not control with an iron hand as many believe, he only sought the visions but never did any harm to them, if anyone had their own emotional problems beyond their vision but it was not that they took away the vision itself but that I already had that problem from the beginning. the rest of the people were well protected with some supply problems but nothing great. but with all that, people continued and continue to believe in his archon that he did everything in their favor, which is true. the civil war is more complex, deep down it was not because of the vision users or what it said on the surface, it was something else transmitted from generation to generation, the death of their god orobaxi, still despite the hundreds For years, they have been looking for a shield to fight, not all of them, but they continue with that grudge, that's why they used that shield from the vision capture to go to war, this is something that one can see when talking to the Watatsumi NPCs.
Orobashi's Yashiori campaign would probably be remembered as a tragedy on par with the deaths of Guizhong and Venti's friend's death... if only not everyone involved had died. Because the only way to find out about it is by reading books and weapon descriptions, that'll probably never be unless maybe if the game decides to focus on Watatsumi again for some reason in the future (*ahem* Sovereign of Water)
and Deshret too. Deshret was vilified by the Akademiya even tho Greater Lord RKDVT reconciled with him before he died. he might've been an idiot but in the end, he died a hero's death. only to be vilified by those Sages.
Another lovely lore video Aster! There is definitely some connection between Orobashi's death and that of the other God's during the Archon War. Simply put Orobashi seems very much like a martyr taking on the sins of his people and thus sparing them from the wrath of Celestia. In many ways I believe his death was a chosen fate for the benefit of his people, even the place of his death was the creation of a poisoned area of land marking a lasting border between his people and the rest of Tehvat. There is one bit of his lore that truly stands a part from the rest and that would be the experimentation with the Vishaps. I can only think to consider that doing so was an attempt to weaponize them for Enkanomiya's defense and to safeguard his people. Another means to carry on his Will after his sacrificial death. Perhaps the purpose of which has not yet fully been revealed as we still know very little about the Vishaps themselves. However given what we learned of the serpents in Sumeru it is quite possible there are highly intelligent Vishaps we just have yet to encounter and by helping them to evolve Orobashi had worked out some form of pact with them as well. Orobashi does seem to be quite good at making pacts and this could be yet another assurance for his people.
I can see a future storyline an interlude archon quest perhaps focused on Kokomo (She and Watatsumi really deserved that) focus on finding out that Kokomi or the bloodline of the divine priestess are actually divided spirits or Bunrei of Orobashi. Who over time the power within them weakens but the ideals and belief of Orobashi remain as strong as ever. Similar to how in Fate Shutten douji is a divided spirit of Yamato no Orochi and a stronger form of her can manifest that can dominate the Oni of Mount Oe
A thought crossed my mind. What if the Tataragami was Orabashi's way of trying to secure the land for their people? If we follow the idea that they was willing to do everything for their people, then it would make sense if Orabashi (knowing that his power would be a lot to control once he died) accepted their fate with the hopes that the people of Watatsumi would use the land he died upon. This sounds a bit absurd but it is possible
Definitely absurd, but it reminds me of something else that is absurd - The thought process that people have when affected by forbidden knowledge. Perhaps Orobashi was 'contaminated' by forbidden knowledge (before sun and moon) and in the throes of his madness believed that through dying he would make the land better for his people... When it was actually the opposite.
About Orobashi's sacrifice: it's super easy. Celestia made him do that, because he happened to have read the forbiden book "Before sun and moon", which reveals that Celestia are aliens. As Sakuyamon says below, this info was placed witin the game directly. I dont't really remember where exactly, but I'm pretty sure that there was some kind of note or part of quest or a writing on a stone etc.
Orobashi actually lived at peace (For a while lease because you know our archon war times and all) with Inazuma for a while, but was sentenced to death by Celestia for reading "Before Sun and Moon,"Orobashi then struck a deal with Celestia, where by he took the sins of the people of Enkanomiya onto himself and then accepted a death sentence so that the people of Enkanomiya could return to Teyvat and live under the sovereignty of Seven Archons.The people living on Watatsumi are not aware of this. As far as they know a which Declared war On the twins was later killed Ei by . And As far as Ei was concerned at that time she was simply defender home But Regardless He Decision to go to war still got his So many of people killed and created an eternal grudge against their new god for killing him. If he wanted them to be cared for, he should have negotiated with makoto and found another way to die. but Celestia likely would’ve not allowed that
Orobashi, my beloved! So glad to see a video on him, I loved his story, so tragic and powerful! Snesus (snake jesus) did nothing wrong, he loved his people enough to make the ultimate sacrifice of life and legacy for them 🥺💕
My take on the Tatarigami is definitely on the former theory more related to the God of Salt's demise with sprinkles of the latter. It could simply be an excessive amount of pure god-like energy that mortal beings/objects/life in general couldn't handle. It could be remnants of his will to please his people and grant their wishes no matter how taxing to his health it was to grant them. Maybe even, he was tainted from his time in the Dark Sea. His existence got corrupted by some unknown taint which may have affected the land of Watatsumi; thanks to him planting his coral all over the island, rendering all attempt of rejuvenating fertile soil hopeless. Just as Rukkhadevata had sensed, he probably sensed something was amiss and chose to accept his sacrifice in an attempt to "get back" and affect Yashiori island in the form of a Kamikaze. This was probably a battle plan of his to weaken the enemy for his people to have a better chance at fighting for themselves as they're fueled by their faith in their image of him. Little did he know that it wouldn't fall in his favor and that his body would be used as a resource against his own people. Unfortunately showcasing how foolish he was in attempting to defy fate in the sliver that he might've done. This could be a subtle example of a different form of Forbidden Knowledge, perhaps. Also explains Kokomi's whole theme too as i'm completely sus of her being a hydro vishap sea serpent in human form who was raised to follow in Orobashi's leadership but with more skill and experience in protection than that poor god. But at least he tried and partially succeeded.
When you thought of orobashi as a crazy snake the whole game then you learn as the game progress that he was a kind god sentenced to death on behalf of his people
A very interesting thing about Genshin is how a subject can change depending on how you look at it, Orobashi is just one example, but there are many others that are more hidden. Example of what I said would be like: Why does the Yashiro Commission, an institution responsible for Ceremonies and Event cultures, have an Assassin group? that group that Sayu is part of. It's kind of out of place if you think about it, it would make sense that the Tenryou Commission would have such a group (They probably have one of these) but it's not said in the story if they do or not, which makes the situation that much weirder, ( without mentioning the fact that the Kamisatos brothers pulled you into a problem that wasn't yours and then used you as a scapegoat to save Thoma) There are more examples of this, such as: Are the Tianquans of Liyue the new Lawrences? Etc.
The Tianquans of Liyue all hold different positions within the the city. They also act as checks and balances for each other as things come to a vote when it comes to the nation as a whole. As it stands contracts are what hold everyone together in Liyue it's legally binding on both parties behalf that's why it works so well. If someone doesn't uphold the contract it's easy to pull it out and prove it and send them off to jail or have them pay some form of compensation.
In Monstadt Freedom is a good and bad thing you are aloud to do as you please so it was pretty easy for the Lawrence clan to just take over the nation over time (at least I believe that's how it happened) with the information and influence that they had as one of the biggest clans. Who was going to stop them really?
And if Orobaxi had a fairly strong connection with the energies of the abyss, but being a serpent that many myths have it as the bad one, it would not be strange that those who called him blasphemers or his blasphemy was not against celestia itself, but against the abyss. itself, and its power came from it, that is why its death and energies have an enormous resemblance to these. This would also fit with the Norse myths and the yggdrassil, which is where the structure of the world of genshin is based, because there in the depths lives a snake. It would not be strange for him to know about celestia either, since in Sumeru he tells us at least in one of the artifacts that there was an open conflict between celestia and the abyss that ended with the fall of the pillars, and all the leaders and powerful beings know about the celestial laws It could be said that he was a god who renounced the abyss that was destined to destroy that area of Inazuma, but he was not bad, he ended up becoming fond of humans and sacrificed himself for them, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
THANK YOU SM ASTER. I WAS SO CONFUSED HOW HE DIED EITHER FROM GETTING FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. GETTING IT AND CELESTIA SENDING EI TO KILL HIM, OR EI KILLING HIM FOR KILLING HER FRIEND SUSSY YURI
Why i feel like Celestia is just some insane institution that supported the archon war to enjoy suffering and orobaxi was forced to participate in the war cuz either he didn't agreed with the them or pheraps elimination of competition
well the history book often written by the victor: maybe orobashi make a move because the watatsumi is invaded for their minerals, or since he already sentence to death he wanted the battle or the calamity caused by his death doesn't fall upon his people. or maybe both
Knowing what I know in practicing Shinto - I don't think tataragami was Orobashi no Mikoto deliberately "leaving" it there for future Inazumans. I think it was just a state of matter from pollution relating to natural life. In Shinto, there is the idea of kegare or pollution that you accumulate over time, by just being alive and living your life. You gain this kegare from negative thoughts and emotion, dealing with things related to death, harming others in anyway, lying, stealing, on days when you're upset about any number of small things, hate, sadness, etc and also through just neutral things like forgetting things or growing old... that kegare weighs you down, it effects you and those around you more and more negatively which leads to a cyclical feedback if you don't do anything because your kegare can then continue to accumulate due to you feeling more and more negative emotions and having more negative thoughts etc. So, Shinto is about purifying that kegare. You go to jinja/shrines, cleanse yourself with different rituals, perform things like Oharae, misogi, dances, matsuri, etc to rid yourself of this. Grand Narukami Shrine is an example of this ritual in action - from the temizuya to the torii to the vermillion color to the fortunes and things like the Sacred Tree. All these elements and more cleanse the area as a sacred space and cleanse the people there. You can see this also at Mouun Shrine, Sango no Miya Shrine, and VERY VERY clearly at Asase Shrine (the one with the cats on Seirai). That shrine is an oasis from all the fallout of tataragami from the crystal marrow that was being processed by the forge there. You're dealing with a gods death, a martyr at that- where the body was left to rot and fade with time, accumulating a lot of pollution in that time, not cleanse or dealt with (sidenote: this is what Japanese people prefer cremation as it is a form of purification). Processing that almost raw pollution was bound to have catastrophic effects - like in the case of Havera (sp) and the other gods that died leaving big amounts of energy from their deaths too.
Given the caribert archon quest recently: I think the sinner was directly involved in orobashi's behaviour, moreso the tatarigami is the remnants of the sinners influence. The sinner is as he says NO GOD but his power is way above the archons (which is why I also think he;'s the second who came) He's currently directly influencing the abyss twins behaviour and likely other entities along the timeline (as dain says time is no impediment to him). The book that orobashi read was likely cursed in some way (forbidden knowledge itself?) which allowed the sinner to take control and influence, (whisper dark thoughts into his mind) which would explain the sudden shift in his behaviour after reading it. I know a lot of poeple dont like the "sinner" is behind it all theory but I'm still following that theory :)
Orobashi's tale in game, in addition to being vague- may also be intertwined with the rest of the Archon War events, which would twist/hide the truth to one degree or another even more. Just considering what we know (even second hand) Orobashi's tale is surrounded by the unknown as Enkanomiya even with its fake sun at brightest is amid darkness at the moment (only wheh they reveal more will we really get Orobashi's true story..) it seems to intertwine with both the Abyss and the Calamity surrounding Khaenriah perhaps from the "forbidden knowlegde" or some other (Like King Deshret in Sumeru and his story is intertwined with the 'calamity' seeming to include contact with Kheanriah and forbidden knowledge [it is only "comfirmed" in Sumeru, all other places it is suggested at best]).
In Mondstadt Dvalin vs. Durin and Barbatos, are all that directly connect it with the Archon War or any of its contemporary causes affects. The Fatui were known as part of a plot when Eula helped protect Yanfei. And the Dandelion Sea potential in that it points to more than a fox or fox spirit/group of kitsune is the likely reality behind the story [like Nahida's Fox and the Kitten tail which kept Scaramouches' memory safe] are all that directly connect "The City of Freedom" to the cataclsym. Whether Venti is a gate keeper or merely covering up the direct link to Kheanriah/the Abyss somehow connected to the Barbatos Statue in Mondstadt plaza (and the movement of Mondstadt from stormterrors lair to where it is now) leave most potential connections to the past Teyvet in mystery.. In Liyue the Guyun Stone Forest, Guili plains, the Chasm and in a way the side link to Sumeru via the chasm do link it with the Cataclysm somehow but other than the Millilith and the adepti the real issue of what the Archon war was is covered up. In Inazuma there was a surface attack, and aside from Orobashi and Enkanomiya with its potential link to Khaenriah and some underground passages the only major side group like those who became the Sankonomiya civilisation who tried to hide or escape was the God of Salt and whoever died with her in Liyue. Makoto left Ei to go to Khaenriah, and she and Kitsune Saiguu protected the surface. The only other link to the Cataclysm in Inazuma is the Kitsune (maybe originally from Mondstadt) and the Youkai (In a recent Festival Quest). Tsurumi Island seems to have been a side story similar to Orobashi's, where calamity occurred and a favored one was killed whereas those who climbed to the surface were lost to the dark sea and were only reclaimed years after. Sumeru showed part of what the cataclysm left, the Akedymia trying for control after the loss of their favored Archon.. The people oppressed using what had been to help them. And finding the greater lord/restoring the Irminsul tree only lead back to not far where we were at Mondstadt in terms of what happened. The red sky, the boxes, the destruction, and the curious burning Irminsul we don't see till Sumeru. The dream quests (Freeing Nahida/shutting down the Akasha and balancing out dreams) only filled in what the Irminsul did. The Wanderer quest only revealed a bit of our sibling and what Scaramouches' past was, reintroducing the Fatui. The desert quests revealed some of the forbidden knowledge lore, and in a side ways manner connects the fall of King Deshret to the Cataclysm and Khaenriah- as an underground civilisation it could have hidden links to wherever Khaenriah was. Fontaine, at a guess of sorts, could in part explain what the tech in part of the ruin guards were or were based on, if "reverse engineered" rather than having a direct link to what they were. And revealing, as 'Justice' suggests, the wheres/whys/whos of what happened (unknown as yet..) 500 years ago. Somehow restoring peace, balance and Justice as the traveler has been doing since Mondstadt.
The tale of Yamato no orochi and the grass cutter sword of Susanoo... wasnt engulfing lightning original name grass cutter ? Also I wanna talk about Ourobos, lore says that he was worshiped along side Orobashi right ?! So why is he like ... inexistant... we need more of him
In the german translation its called grass cut beam. I just looked at the other languages names for this polearm and most of them call it either grass cutter or grass cutting light
The book before sun and Moon is an Enkanomiya book. It was Enkanomiya the ones who showed to him unporpousely... and we know that based off in game descriptions and the book itself.
before sun and moon is likely written by ancient enkanomiya people, judging by the word choice and its content for specific history, for instance Abrax. So Orobaxi read the book after ascending to the ruling god of enkanomiya people who are hinted to be the exiles dating back to the days before celestia.
I think the tataragami incident is related to orobaxi's power. Just like havria (the god of salt), when she died all surrounding things and creatures turned into salt. If we relate that logic to orobaxi his power is probably related to that of snakes such as poison and hallucinations. Which we can relate to how he admitted that he is no match for the narukami ogosho which has more destructive power compared to his.
It also makes sense that Narukami would take at least some ownership over Watasumi if it was won as a sort of prize from the war. Even if it's treated as nothing more than an outpost, it (Watasumi) serves a better chance of being supplied (even if only just a little) by Narukami if it was possessed as a spoil of war. Were I Orobashi, that would be a thought that crossed my mind.
This makes me believe that either raiden ei or raiden shogun will be killed at some point of the story. Finally the karma for killing so many gods will catch up to her. Makes sense
Dude You do realize morax was doing the exact same thing too, right……? If you read the Archaic Petra You would know that at one point Zhongli was An extremely ruthless and an merciless God he and killed everyone that he concluded to be a threat because of his bloodlust and vengeance for his dead friend, All of gods did the exact same thing…
Problem with that is that not only are you poisoning the very land your people wanted to settle, you also create even more resentment for the people of Watatsumi from those of Inazuma. Why would Makoto/Ei want to help the people who not only broke their treaty, but then killed who knows how many people in the conflict? I’m genuinely curious to know what Makoto was thinking after the conflict since she seemed content to just leave Watatsumi in one piece.
But... Orobashis death wasnt during the archon war. It was later, where the victors had already emerged and the resentful gods were driven to the black sea.
It's complicated, king deshret was the strongest god between ruka and GoF, so by that logic he would be the archon. However, he shared his seat with ruka and GoF. He and GoF, later rediscovered forbidden knowledge and GoF dies. Deshret then goes mad and ruka stops the forbidden knowledge, deshret dies/sacrifices himself in the process. I believe this happened during the archon war and that GoF death was intended. I think celestia wanted to kill her from the start but just need a good reason to do it.
No after, so im supecting the "golden god" to be either him or Zhongli ... but zhongli never had such title but Al-Ahmar do so IN MY OPINION, its Deshret.
Al Ahmar and the GoF died after RKDVT ascended. Deshret was actually offered the seat but declined it. so yeah, these three already won the War in Sumeru.
Inazuma is still my favourite region in lore because I like Japanese history and mythology a lot which Inazuma draws a ton from. But because it is so poorly written there are so much misunderstanding of every single aspect of Inazuma by the general audience. Watatsumi itself is actually the weakest link in Inazuma's story and they shouldn't have been set up as the "hero faction" to go against the Shogunate, because of the invasion of Yashiori they were literally the aggressors and the villains in this case. Regardless of the Celestia interference, Makoto already had a peaceful agreement with Watatsumi and they broke the agreement and invaded Inazuma. The current Watatsumi isn't "rebelling" against anything, they are literally continuing their invasion, instead of acknowledging their own fault as initial aggressors towards a friendly nation, they think of themselves as rebels, and then got themselves exploited by the Fatui. This became such a poor setup which further adds to the actual most misunderstood character of Inazuma, Raiden Ei. Given no time to mourn at all, she was forced to take the place of Makoto while she was in deep depression, so much that she had to cast aside her emotions and become an actual emotionless robot so that she can continue to serve Inazuma and protect her people forever and never fail again. She then gave Inazuma 499 years of prosperity and peace until 1 year ago the Fatui corrupted members of the government to pass the laws of Vision Hunt and Sakoku and exploited the people of Watatsumi to go against Raiden Shogun. Now most people don't even understand how much Raiden gave herself to protect Inazuma and instead see her as a villain when she was literally the one person who sacrificed everything down to her very soul, and think the actual antagonists, the rebels were the heroes. Raiden gave her all and protected Inazuma and in the end she was betrayed by her own corrupt government and invading Watatsumi who she gave mercy to.
Actually I see some similarities between him and king deshert , both knew something about forbidden knowledge and both sacrificed themselves for their people though I think king deshert is more stupid
How can Orobashi have read the book of before Sun and moon before coming to Enkanomiya when the book was written in Enkanomiya? That theory doesn’t make sense
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Snek.
Also...I hope this video doesnt have any...rendering + processing errors. It's been through a bit of questionable processing and I think it finally killed my PC.
I know this is off-topic with the video, but I noted something suspicious about artifact lore. Remember how the Pale Flame artifact set talks about the harbingers? Well I recently found that the description of the Surpassing Cup piece, which describes Scaramouche, doesn't change after you complete the 3.3 archon quest, in which this knowledge should have been erased from all records of Teyvat. Thoughts?
@@Generalofthe5001st It seems very much like a gameplay motivated decision.
Because if they remove that lore, then they'd have to do *something* about HoOD, right? They can't keep some artifact lore and remove that same lore, just from a different set. That just wouldn't make much sense. But then... what DO they do with an ENTIRE SET dedicated to a person who doesn't exist anymore as far as Irminsulis concerned? While I can see how they'd handle Pale Flame's lore, (like having a paragraph about how the 6th seat has always been empty and whatever) but they'd have to remove Husk from the game for it all to not be a bit illogical after the memory wipe, no? And that would just be a very, very dumb move.
So, instead of having to deal with that, they just decided to keep all Wanderer's artifact lore. They might explain it later down the line, but right now? Probably don't have an idea of how the artifacts aren't affected.
@pozzsicle I haven't been farming husk, so I'm not aware of its lore, but you do have a point, I might just be looking too far into it.
The most misunderstood creature that came to my mind was Durin.
This can't be your real voice can it?
Wait, wasnt there lore that said that Orobaxi actually made a contract with Celestia that he would give his life in order for them to be allowed to live up at the surface again? That means that his invasion actually was forced by Celestia so that Ei would slay him.
Yeah, they are on surface, then what, their island cannot do basic farming, people are starving. Orobaxi can't take it longer so decide to commit suicide and by the way receive celestia's punishment so his people can be under Makoto's rule
@@antm9771 dude, I wasnt trying to say those issues didnt exist. Just that there is lore that say Celestia would have pushed him to suicide no matter if the conditions were perfect for them. Its another layer, not a contradiction.
No, Orobashi made a contract of not letting Byakuyakuko being killed in exchange of his life.
@@johnokazaki7967 no. They were living in "peace" down underground for a long time. It was them coming up to the surface that was the issue.
@@Sakuyamon Oh but thats not what I meant. They were outcasted as we know from the celestial atlas, Byakuyakukou was an ancient civilization linked to the primordial rule. They knew of Ishtaroth, the godess of time, the primordial one and its other 3 shades. They knew of the time before sun and moon, and the reign of the drakes and the cycle of life and reincarnation of these same drakes. They had disclossed information about the very begining of Celestia and the time before that because they were part of it. They had this information written in the book before sun and moon, and the problem was that they knew too much. Celestia outcasted them from Teyvat into the sea of monsters, and they ended up stranded in the collision of the realms between Vishaps , Void and Humanity. Once they were brought to the surface by Orobashi, whom created Watatsumi island for them it was that during the transition between both places that Orobashi found and read before Sun and Moon, and knowing that these people was in danger, Orobashi made a pact with Celestia in which he would relinquish its life and Celestia would forgive Byakuyakoku for their sins. We dont know the specifics of the details, but yeah Orobashi sacrificed itself in order to save Byakuyakoku from the celestial wrath.
for such a major role I'm kinda upset he didn't even get an animated cutscene, enkanomiya should've been handled better
Orobashi was never presented in any voiced form? They can retell the story if they want to for that. One of the reasons i think they do not is because... its possible he was not killed because of reading the book but because he doubted the contents. And thats a pretty huge blow
majority if not all of inazuma story shouldve been handled better. some of the decisions didnt make sense and if its behind obscure lore as in books or artifacts or 5* characters that is horrendous story telling for game/comic media. The phrase "Show dont tell" comes to mind also the decisions of raiden shogun/ei made no sense and her bastard that is wandabeesh didnt fall too far from the tree. Hence why sumeru's story is such a breath of fresh air so far.
It’s truly tragic how they butchered Inazuma’s Archon Quest. Just imagine how awesome it would have been if it was handled the same way they did Sumeru😔😔😔
@@Tm-dy2bp Wow overreacting a bit? The only thing Inazuma really is criminal for is the rushed pacing from event to event that made what were supposed to be important plot points trivial as things just kept moving on. Sumeru worked fantastically primarily because things were allowed to breathe and characters were treated with purpose.
Surprise surprise that Ei's reasonings for her actions are disagreeable to us when that's the intended point and flaw to her character that's supposed to be challenged. Are they understandable for her circumstances yes, does it justify the ramifications no hence conflict.
Imagine an Inazuma Archon Quest where things were allowed to slow down and build. Teppei's death more naturally build up than just consecutively popping up and back with cough until death. The Resistance playing a planned role with Yae, Kokomi, and Ayato to get the Traveler their last chance at Raiden instead of being offscreened. Maybe have such a plan concocted after Signora's defeat and the Traveler leaves afraid to get close to Tenshukaku after seeing Raiden's power.
Instead it was quick escalation of events until the end.
2:06 A little fun fact: Engulfing Lightning is called Grasschnitterstrahl in the german version of the game. This roughly means grass cutting beam which is very similar to Susanoo‘s weapon
Back during the 2.1 beta test, it was called Grasscutter's Light
That's actually really interesting and lore-wise it makes a lot of sense even though in Japanese mythology it was a sword.
@@thienphucn1 exactly
Kusanagi no inabikari = grass cutting ligthning
Funny how it's related to grass because it was believed that places where lighting struck where good for harvesting
I feel like Ei's story quest should have explored Orobashi's lore, similar to how Zhongli revealed the truth of Havria. But in general Ei's quests should've centered around her youkai friends and gods not a tea npc (as you can see, I'm still so salty on the wasted potential tbh).
Don't speak on Furuyama, he was one of the best parts about that quest.
Ei's second story quest is the perfect story quest for her. It revolved around Inazuma, how important she was to the people and what the Electro Archon meant to the people during a time of crisis. Your "Tea NPC" also showed how Ei and Makoto behaved and how they treasured everyone in Inazuma. The quest showed that Ei is taking actions in order to undo the wrongs she committed because she knew she had a duty to every single dead Inazuman who died for her country, doesn't matter which NPC it was. Ei cares about everyone in the country and her 2nd quest showed that.
lmao no. Ei's quests being about her dead friends is just beating on a dead horse, while yes, they should be brought up in regards to her initial pursuit in eternity, they don't have the importance to have such focus after that.
@@itsmewhoknows What if she got a 3rd story quest? One where a young Ronin (15-16) is seeking revenge after his father went crazy due to losing his vision and ended up killing his mom and himself. And the story quest is about her and the Traveler getting an anonymous tipoff, (The Ronin) which Kujou Sara shared with them. It said that someone would be hunting the Traveler. Little did they know, that they were hunting Raiden rather than the Traveler. Most of the story would be Raiden spending the day with Traveler and intimidating anyone she found suspicious or too close to the Traveler. Around the middle the Ronin would reveal himslef during a one man ambush and immediately go for Raiden who blocked his attack. After being asked he would state who he is and his intentions. (Killing Raiden after what happened) After hearing of this, Raiden would tell the Traveler to stay out of it as it was her fault and her fight. Near the beginning of the fight she convinced him not to fight her which worked. Or so she thought. He pulls a surprise attack in, Slashing her right cheek and stomach which pisses her off. She'd fight more fiercely until he gets tired and loses his sword while blocking and she stabs him. The story quest would have a sadder ending with the boy laughing as blood drips from his mouth taunting her sisters and her friends and their deaths. Raiden gets fed up, and says something along the lines of "I, have shown you ENOUGH mercy." And then she finishes him off. The Traveler can either comfort her or disagree stating that she should have spared him as he was young, foolish, and angry and ultimately didn't want to harm anyone other than her. She would either thank the Traveler for their comfort, or get Angry for a moment but ultimately relent realizing they were right.
Hell no, that tea old man alongside all the memories of the samurais being reawakened are what gave Ei a chance to see how people looked at the former Electro Archon, Makoto with love and care. She realized that she neglected these people and their wishes of ages long past, and how she was still doing the same
I love Orobashi, so sad he died😔
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I doubt he did 🤔
I feel the snake around Baizu neck is orobashi, kinda same what happened to guba, look like he sacrificed his original body to avoid getting killed and turned to that tiny snake, if I am not mistaken when first time we met Baizu that snake was talking
Of ligma?
Kapatcir...
I don't think the tatarigami are remnants of Orobashi's wrath, but rather of his sadness and resentment.
He always thought of himself as "not worthy of being a god", and was ultimately forced by his people (and Celestia) to sacrifice his life. His lingering feelings and remaining power would manifest the tatarigami.
Theres abit of info you missed about orobashi's inspirations
Hes also based on the sea kami, ōwatatsumi,which is also believed to be another name for Ryujin.
Exactly my thought
What confuses me is Celestia said no to Orobaxi's pacifism, but yes to Deshret's sharing of the title with Nabu Malikata and Rukkhadevata. While yes, Deshret and Nabu Malikata eventually both died, there was still a point in time where all 3 ruled Sumeru together. Maybe one of the Orobaxi's profanities is not having human followers
I always interpreted it as Orobaxi fled to stay alive, and the Sumeru gods all seemingly had a truce to not fight/kill each other for the gnosis so there was no need for fight vs flight afaik?
because behind deshret is apep
@@flower5175 No, Deshret still got his authority from Celestia. Apep didn’t give him power, only permission to build a civilization in the desert.
@@adiaphoros6842 Didn't Celestia offer him the Dendro gnosis, with him replying roughly, in modern broken English parlance: "lol nah fam I ain't need that shit, we good."?
@@Preaplanes Yes, but Celestia left Sumeru alone even after he unleashed the forbidden knowledge onto the world. Only really appearing before Rukkhadevata to give her the Dendro Gbosis.
I just wish Kokomi is a reincarnation of Orobashi. Orobashi is one of the few benevolent gods who truly cares for his people.
I don't his her reincarnation but Kokomi being reincarnation of water sovereign of water probably beside maybe watatasumi can revive orobashi since his remain still their tbh
Or a descendant of him. But I really doubt Mr. Snek had any children :(
its stated that the divine priestess has the will of orobashi in her, and is meant to fulfill his role of protecting the island due to that will being given to them. Kokomi is most likely somewhat related to orobashi if not by blood then at the very least by purpose. she doesnt have different eyes, coral coloured hair, and an affinity for water for no reason that much is clear.
@@lolmemes8447wait, what about baizhus pet?
I personally interpret the tatarigami as a manifestation of some underlying resentment Orobaxi had towards their fate. After all, you can still feel resentment while accepting it.
Enkanomiya is one of the lores that I hold dearest, because I initially wanted to speed-run it to get Yae Miku's ascension mats, and thought it was filler content... but boy was I wrong. Learning about Orobashi and Before Sun and Moon, this is when I finally convinced myself that Celestia had a lot to hide. The truth about Vishaps, Enkanomiya, and the Sunchildren, and definitely to note the music... Hoyo really knows how to create a beautiful convoluted mess of a story.
Thanks for this vid Aster!
“Y’know the book we read.” BAGAHAHAH THE WAY SHE SAID THAT WAS EXACTLY MY REACTION WHEN I WAS READING IT
orbashi seems to of had a cool human form to teach them how to fish and so on he seems to be quite wise but maybe just lonely so yeah also the fact he did experemnts and stuff is cool i kinda want more watastumi charcters
I think Orobashi SELECTED the island to die on, knowing his death will create some what of a natural barrier between the Shogunate vs Watasumi
I mean,what is the point of the barrier?
If shogunate had a intention of attacking watatsumi that barrier wouldn't do much.
i mean moussin hitotachi or whatever the sword ei uses kinda slashes the island in half and naturally divides narukami territory from watatsumi territory. So yes maybe he did it intentionally and if he didnt then id say Ei did.
@@Archerrrrr-jz7iqyou have no idea how powerful the nauseating hatred of a god becomes, much like in liyue, the chasm, etc.
@@arbalest327 what i meant was that if shogun wanted to invade watatsumi
They could just sail around the island and reach watatsumi that way
And at that point orobashis thing wouldn't do anything
I vaguely remember something about a Whale type entity that went too into Inazuma direction when Orobashi was Killed,
and I have the theory that Orobashi Knew that the people he protected would have been cursed too if Celestia Finds out that he Knows the truth,
Being killed by the Narukami was just a coincidence, he went out to die avoiding the possible fate for Watatsumi
That whale is also part of his army...
The lore of this game never ceases to amaze me.
Right !?
The snake looks like the bigger version of Baizhu's snake that he has
uwubashi :3 rip in peace snek homie
One thing I wonder is that the Tataragami is purple, much like the dark mud of the Chasm. I wonder if when he was slain, it caused a small rupture between the human realm and abyss, which contaminated his remains into Tataragami…?
If we assume that this coloring is meant to show that both are a form of corruption, we can tie them also to the depiction of the "forbidden knowledge" spreading through the sumeru desert, as well as the mist (representing the encroachment of the void realm), shrouding the towers around Enkanomiya, which were also purple so perhaps you might be on to something. So far I think it would be safe to conclude that, most of the time dark purple is related to the void and the gold light is related with the elemental (light) realm.
The immortal snake or the snake that chases life is a fairly common concept in mythology, not as common as the malicious snake but still quite common. This is rooted from the way snakes shed skin and seemingly deaging as well as the way snake venom was sometimes used as medicine. The immortal snake is depicted in honkai through mobius and in genshin through both orobashi and baizhu, but ironically, orobashi is the one who chases life while baizhu is the one who seeks immortality.
Do you intend to make more videos about gods? Decarabian and Andrius would be two very interesting gods to debate, especially decarabian, because some of the actions he committed are very similar to Ei's but with different reasons, besides that he is a god that is not much commented on in the community.
Decarabia at the beginning he only wanted to protect his people but like the Greek myths of creation, he in his desperation to protect him became a tyrant taking away his freedom and imprisoning them, but unlike Ei, this was for fear of losing his status, his people , for his own ego.
In the case of Ei it is similar but it was because she had suffered all the losses and was left alone, no matter how surrounded she was and seeing all the suffering that happened to her nation and all that was lost in the war against Khaenri. 'ah she wanted to prevent this from suffering again, but of course Makoto her sister had possibly seen this and she knew that one day her sister Ei would understand what she was looking for in eternity.
Ei changed but not his ideals, he still continues to protect what inazuma promised his people eternity, he did it for his people without seeking reward, power, adoration or anything that benefits him, just to protect his people.
@@Rozherhn Decarabian was disconnected with the people, but that doesn't make him a tyrant. Decarabian created a barrier to protect his people from the Andrius he was at war with, while Ei shut down Inazuma to protect his people from what?? There is a difference between protecting yourself from a real threat and a hypothetical threat.
The fact that Ei suffered is not a justification for the sakoku decree she implemented, which was apparently not that long ago implemented, such a decree that basically, almost everyone in Inazuma is against, including people from the Tenryou Commission. this alone shows that Ei is just as disconnected with the people as Decarabian, but unlike Decarabian, Ei neglected the people, putting a puppet to lead the nation. Ironically, her "Eternity" did more damage to Inazuma than the Fatuis themselves.
All things considered, it can be argued that Ei and Decarabian aren't very different, just with different justifications, plus it's obvious that if things had continued as they were, Ei would have ended up the same as Decarabian.
I agree with Absalom. Decarabian shut people inside to protect them from being frozen to death at that moment, and the snowstorm outside can actually kill every single mondstadtian at that moment. Ei closed off inazuma because she afraid of the changing of the future, a future threat. So yea, it's kinda different. Besides, Ei's suffer doesn't mean she could control people (by taking away their visions) in order to "not suffer" like her, it sounds kinda unhealthy to me
@@dizzynecro9944 The Shogun or Ei does not control with an iron hand as many believe, he only sought the visions but never did any harm to them, if anyone had their own emotional problems beyond their vision but it was not that they took away the vision itself but that I already had that problem from the beginning.
the rest of the people were well protected with some supply problems but nothing great.
but with all that, people continued and continue to believe in his archon that he did everything in their favor, which is true.
the civil war is more complex, deep down it was not because of the vision users or what it said on the surface, it was something else transmitted from generation to generation, the death of their god orobaxi, still despite the hundreds For years, they have been looking for a shield to fight, not all of them, but they continue with that grudge, that's why they used that shield from the vision capture to go to war, this is something that one can see when talking to the Watatsumi NPCs.
Just so you know, it was out of fear of the heavenly principles
not because she was suffering
Poor giant danger noodle just wants happy people.
Thank you Aster for posting this video that is related with and to celebrate kokofish's birthday
Orobashi's Yashiori campaign would probably be remembered as a tragedy on par with the deaths of Guizhong and Venti's friend's death... if only not everyone involved had died.
Because the only way to find out about it is by reading books and weapon descriptions, that'll probably never be unless maybe if the game decides to focus on Watatsumi again for some reason in the future (*ahem* Sovereign of Water)
and Deshret too. Deshret was vilified by the Akademiya even tho Greater Lord RKDVT reconciled with him before he died. he might've been an idiot but in the end, he died a hero's death. only to be vilified by those Sages.
Watatsumi being guilty and then orobashi dyeing so that they can take the crimes away...
Me: "SO HE'S JESUS!?" >:O
Another lovely lore video Aster! There is definitely some connection between Orobashi's death and that of the other God's during the Archon War. Simply put Orobashi seems very much like a martyr taking on the sins of his people and thus sparing them from the wrath of Celestia. In many ways I believe his death was a chosen fate for the benefit of his people, even the place of his death was the creation of a poisoned area of land marking a lasting border between his people and the rest of Tehvat.
There is one bit of his lore that truly stands a part from the rest and that would be the experimentation with the Vishaps. I can only think to consider that doing so was an attempt to weaponize them for Enkanomiya's defense and to safeguard his people. Another means to carry on his Will after his sacrificial death. Perhaps the purpose of which has not yet fully been revealed as we still know very little about the Vishaps themselves. However given what we learned of the serpents in Sumeru it is quite possible there are highly intelligent Vishaps we just have yet to encounter and by helping them to evolve Orobashi had worked out some form of pact with them as well. Orobashi does seem to be quite good at making pacts and this could be yet another assurance for his people.
I don't think he hates inazuma. I believe it's more likely that he hates celestial/the fact that he can't see his people prosper.
I can see a future storyline an interlude archon quest perhaps focused on Kokomo (She and Watatsumi really deserved that) focus on finding out that Kokomi or the bloodline of the divine priestess are actually divided spirits or Bunrei of Orobashi. Who over time the power within them weakens but the ideals and belief of Orobashi remain as strong as ever. Similar to how in Fate Shutten douji is a divided spirit of Yamato no Orochi and a stronger form of her can manifest that can dominate the Oni of Mount Oe
thank you Aster for the always amazing content. My level of intellect (razor level) needs your guidance for lore
A thought crossed my mind. What if the Tataragami was Orabashi's way of trying to secure the land for their people? If we follow the idea that they was willing to do everything for their people, then it would make sense if Orabashi (knowing that his power would be a lot to control once he died) accepted their fate with the hopes that the people of Watatsumi would use the land he died upon.
This sounds a bit absurd but it is possible
Definitely absurd, but it reminds me of something else that is absurd - The thought process that people have when affected by forbidden knowledge. Perhaps Orobashi was 'contaminated' by forbidden knowledge (before sun and moon) and in the throes of his madness believed that through dying he would make the land better for his people... When it was actually the opposite.
About Orobashi's sacrifice: it's super easy. Celestia made him do that, because he happened to have read the forbiden book "Before sun and moon", which reveals that Celestia are aliens. As Sakuyamon says below, this info was placed witin the game directly. I dont't really remember where exactly, but I'm pretty sure that there was some kind of note or part of quest or a writing on a stone etc.
Great job on the vid Aster! Keep up the great work
Orobashi actually lived at peace
(For a while lease because you know our archon war times and all) with Inazuma for a while, but was sentenced to death by Celestia for reading "Before Sun and Moon,"Orobashi then struck a deal with Celestia, where by he took the sins of the people of Enkanomiya onto himself and then accepted a death sentence so that the people of Enkanomiya could return to Teyvat and live under the sovereignty of Seven Archons.The people living on Watatsumi are not aware of this. As far as they know a which Declared war On the twins was later killed Ei by .
And As far as Ei was concerned at that time she was simply defender home
But Regardless He Decision to go to war still got his So many of people killed and created an eternal grudge against their new god for killing him. If he wanted them to be cared for, he should have negotiated with makoto and found another way to die. but Celestia likely would’ve not allowed that
Orobashi, my beloved! So glad to see a video on him, I loved his story, so tragic and powerful!
Snesus (snake jesus) did nothing wrong, he loved his people enough to make the ultimate sacrifice of life and legacy for them 🥺💕
New Aster video = new happy.
I love Watatsumi island and its lore
My take on the Tatarigami is definitely on the former theory more related to the God of Salt's demise with sprinkles of the latter.
It could simply be an excessive amount of pure god-like energy that mortal beings/objects/life in general couldn't handle. It could be remnants of his will to please his people and grant their wishes no matter how taxing to his health it was to grant them.
Maybe even, he was tainted from his time in the Dark Sea. His existence got corrupted by some unknown taint which may have affected the land of Watatsumi; thanks to him planting his coral all over the island, rendering all attempt of rejuvenating fertile soil hopeless. Just as Rukkhadevata had sensed, he probably sensed something was amiss and chose to accept his sacrifice in an attempt to "get back" and affect Yashiori island in the form of a Kamikaze. This was probably a battle plan of his to weaken the enemy for his people to have a better chance at fighting for themselves as they're fueled by their faith in their image of him. Little did he know that it wouldn't fall in his favor and that his body would be used as a resource against his own people. Unfortunately showcasing how foolish he was in attempting to defy fate in the sliver that he might've done.
This could be a subtle example of a different form of Forbidden Knowledge, perhaps. Also explains Kokomi's whole theme too as i'm completely sus of her being a hydro vishap sea serpent in human form who was raised to follow in Orobashi's leadership but with more skill and experience in protection than that poor god. But at least he tried and partially succeeded.
When you thought of orobashi as a crazy snake the whole game then you learn as the game progress that he was a kind god sentenced to death on behalf of his people
A very interesting thing about Genshin is how a subject can change depending on how you look at it, Orobashi is just one example, but there are many others that are more hidden. Example of what I said would be like: Why does the Yashiro Commission, an institution responsible for Ceremonies and Event cultures, have an Assassin group? that group that Sayu is part of. It's kind of out of place if you think about it, it would make sense that the Tenryou Commission would have such a group (They probably have one of these) but it's not said in the story if they do or not, which makes the situation that much weirder, ( without mentioning the fact that the Kamisatos brothers pulled you into a problem that wasn't yours and then used you as a scapegoat to save Thoma) There are more examples of this, such as: Are the Tianquans of Liyue the new Lawrences? Etc.
The Tianquans of Liyue all hold different positions within the the city. They also act as checks and balances for each other as things come to a vote when it comes to the nation as a whole. As it stands contracts are what hold everyone together in Liyue it's legally binding on both parties behalf that's why it works so well. If someone doesn't uphold the contract it's easy to pull it out and prove it and send them off to jail or have them pay some form of compensation.
In Monstadt Freedom is a good and bad thing you are aloud to do as you please so it was pretty easy for the Lawrence clan to just take over the nation over time (at least I believe that's how it happened) with the information and influence that they had as one of the biggest clans. Who was going to stop them really?
And if Orobaxi had a fairly strong connection with the energies of the abyss, but being a serpent that many myths have it as the bad one, it would not be strange that those who called him blasphemers or his blasphemy was not against celestia itself, but against the abyss. itself, and its power came from it, that is why its death and energies have an enormous resemblance to these.
This would also fit with the Norse myths and the yggdrassil, which is where the structure of the world of genshin is based, because there in the depths lives a snake.
It would not be strange for him to know about celestia either, since in Sumeru he tells us at least in one of the artifacts that there was an open conflict between celestia and the abyss that ended with the fall of the pillars, and all the leaders and powerful beings know about the celestial laws
It could be said that he was a god who renounced the abyss that was destined to destroy that area of Inazuma, but he was not bad, he ended up becoming fond of humans and sacrificed himself for them, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
THANK YOU SM ASTER. I WAS SO CONFUSED HOW HE DIED EITHER FROM GETTING FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. GETTING IT AND CELESTIA SENDING EI TO KILL HIM, OR EI KILLING HIM FOR KILLING HER FRIEND SUSSY YURI
Why i feel like
Celestia is just some insane institution that supported the archon war to enjoy suffering and orobaxi was forced to participate in the war cuz either he didn't agreed with the them or pheraps elimination of competition
well the history book often written by the victor: maybe orobashi make a move because the watatsumi is invaded for their minerals, or since he already sentence to death he wanted the battle or the calamity caused by his death doesn't fall upon his people. or maybe both
Knowing what I know in practicing Shinto - I don't think tataragami was Orobashi no Mikoto deliberately "leaving" it there for future Inazumans. I think it was just a state of matter from pollution relating to natural life.
In Shinto, there is the idea of kegare or pollution that you accumulate over time, by just being alive and living your life. You gain this kegare from negative thoughts and emotion, dealing with things related to death, harming others in anyway, lying, stealing, on days when you're upset about any number of small things, hate, sadness, etc and also through just neutral things like forgetting things or growing old... that kegare weighs you down, it effects you and those around you more and more negatively which leads to a cyclical feedback if you don't do anything because your kegare can then continue to accumulate due to you feeling more and more negative emotions and having more negative thoughts etc.
So, Shinto is about purifying that kegare. You go to jinja/shrines, cleanse yourself with different rituals, perform things like Oharae, misogi, dances, matsuri, etc to rid yourself of this.
Grand Narukami Shrine is an example of this ritual in action - from the temizuya to the torii to the vermillion color to the fortunes and things like the Sacred Tree. All these elements and more cleanse the area as a sacred space and cleanse the people there. You can see this also at Mouun Shrine, Sango no Miya Shrine, and VERY VERY clearly at Asase Shrine (the one with the cats on Seirai). That shrine is an oasis from all the fallout of tataragami from the crystal marrow that was being processed by the forge there. You're dealing with a gods death, a martyr at that- where the body was left to rot and fade with time, accumulating a lot of pollution in that time, not cleanse or dealt with (sidenote: this is what Japanese people prefer cremation as it is a form of purification). Processing that almost raw pollution was bound to have catastrophic effects - like in the case of Havera (sp) and the other gods that died leaving big amounts of energy from their deaths too.
Given the caribert archon quest recently: I think the sinner was directly involved in orobashi's behaviour, moreso the tatarigami is the remnants of the sinners influence. The sinner is as he says NO GOD but his power is way above the archons (which is why I also think he;'s the second who came) He's currently directly influencing the abyss twins behaviour and likely other entities along the timeline (as dain says time is no impediment to him).
The book that orobashi read was likely cursed in some way (forbidden knowledge itself?) which allowed the sinner to take control and influence, (whisper dark thoughts into his mind) which would explain the sudden shift in his behaviour after reading it. I know a lot of poeple dont like the "sinner" is behind it all theory but I'm still following that theory :)
I hope one day hoyo will reveal his human form. He must have been a wholesome guy
I imagine his human form is reminiscent of Hakuoro from Utawarerumono
@@davidxencaster6406 please explain why you think this cause this is what I pictured too, but I've no idea why.
You can see his human form in one of the statues in Enkanomiya, he's depicted holding a lamp, having a snake body and holding coral.
Baizh- jkjk
Orobashi's tale in game, in addition to being vague- may also be intertwined with the rest of the Archon War events, which would twist/hide the truth to one degree or another even more. Just considering what we know (even second hand) Orobashi's tale is surrounded by the unknown as Enkanomiya even with its fake sun at brightest is amid darkness at the moment (only wheh they reveal more will we really get Orobashi's true story..) it seems to intertwine with both the Abyss and the Calamity surrounding Khaenriah perhaps from the "forbidden knowlegde" or some other (Like King Deshret in Sumeru and his story is intertwined with the 'calamity' seeming to include contact with Kheanriah and forbidden knowledge [it is only "comfirmed" in Sumeru, all other places it is suggested at best]).
In Mondstadt Dvalin vs. Durin and Barbatos, are all that directly connect it with the Archon War or any of its contemporary causes affects. The Fatui were known as part of a plot when Eula helped protect Yanfei. And the Dandelion Sea potential in that it points to more than a fox or fox spirit/group of kitsune is the likely reality behind the story [like Nahida's Fox and the Kitten tail which kept Scaramouches' memory safe] are all that directly connect "The City of Freedom" to the cataclsym. Whether Venti is a gate keeper or merely covering up the direct link to Kheanriah/the Abyss somehow connected to the Barbatos Statue in Mondstadt plaza (and the movement of Mondstadt from stormterrors lair to where it is now) leave most potential connections to the past Teyvet in mystery..
In Liyue the Guyun Stone Forest, Guili plains, the Chasm and in a way the side link to Sumeru via the chasm do link it with the Cataclysm somehow but other than the Millilith and the adepti the real issue of what the Archon war was is covered up.
In Inazuma there was a surface attack, and aside from Orobashi and Enkanomiya with its potential link to Khaenriah and some underground passages the only major side group like those who became the Sankonomiya civilisation who tried to hide or escape was the God of Salt and whoever died with her in Liyue. Makoto left Ei to go to Khaenriah, and she and Kitsune Saiguu protected the surface. The only other link to the Cataclysm in Inazuma is the Kitsune (maybe originally from Mondstadt) and the Youkai (In a recent Festival Quest). Tsurumi Island seems to have been a side story similar to Orobashi's, where calamity occurred and a favored one was killed whereas those who climbed to the surface were lost to the dark sea and were only reclaimed years after.
Sumeru showed part of what the cataclysm left, the Akedymia trying for control after the loss of their favored Archon.. The people oppressed using what had been to help them. And finding the greater lord/restoring the Irminsul tree only lead back to not far where we were at Mondstadt in terms of what happened. The red sky, the boxes, the destruction, and the curious burning Irminsul we don't see till Sumeru. The dream quests (Freeing Nahida/shutting down the Akasha and balancing out dreams) only filled in what the Irminsul did. The Wanderer quest only revealed a bit of our sibling and what Scaramouches' past was, reintroducing the Fatui. The desert quests revealed some of the forbidden knowledge lore, and in a side ways manner connects the fall of King Deshret to the Cataclysm and Khaenriah- as an underground civilisation it could have hidden links to wherever Khaenriah was.
Fontaine, at a guess of sorts, could in part explain what the tech in part of the ruin guards were or were based on, if "reverse engineered" rather than having a direct link to what they were. And revealing, as 'Justice' suggests, the wheres/whys/whos of what happened (unknown as yet..) 500 years ago. Somehow restoring peace, balance and Justice as the traveler has been doing since Mondstadt.
YES FINALLY A VIDEO OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE GENSHIN GODS AND RVEN CHARACTERS YEEESS
Was cry-eating while watching this video in my breakfast. Thanks aster.. very cool 👍
The tale of Yamato no orochi and the grass cutter sword of Susanoo... wasnt engulfing lightning original name grass cutter ?
Also I wanna talk about Ourobos, lore says that he was worshiped along side Orobashi right ?! So why is he like ... inexistant... we need more of him
In the german translation its called grass cut beam. I just looked at the other languages names for this polearm and most of them call it either grass cutter or grass cutting light
The profecy could also refer to the information in ley lines. As we know, ley lines much like Akasha can predict the future
The book before sun and Moon is an Enkanomiya book. It was Enkanomiya the ones who showed to him unporpousely... and we know that based off in game descriptions and the book itself.
This reminds me of.... Wanting more watatsumi events. Or you know a permanent quest about it. I just think it's cool
Btw Aster really enjoyz ur video..
orobashi is my favorite genshin npc and god, his story is so intriguing to me
before sun and moon is likely written by ancient enkanomiya people, judging by the word choice and its content for specific history, for instance Abrax. So Orobaxi read the book after ascending to the ruling god of enkanomiya people who are hinted to be the exiles dating back to the days before celestia.
I think the tataragami incident is related to orobaxi's power. Just like havria (the god of salt), when she died all surrounding things and creatures turned into salt.
If we relate that logic to orobaxi his power is probably related to that of snakes such as poison and hallucinations. Which we can relate to how he admitted that he is no match for the narukami ogosho which has more destructive power compared to his.
I really love your vids! I was hoping if you can also cover the ruler of mondstat before barbatos. I feel like he is also a misunderstood character.
It also makes sense that Narukami would take at least some ownership over Watasumi if it was won as a sort of prize from the war. Even if it's treated as nothing more than an outpost, it (Watasumi) serves a better chance of being supplied (even if only just a little) by Narukami if it was possessed as a spoil of war. Were I Orobashi, that would be a thought that crossed my mind.
clicked as fast as electro seelie. Best lore analysis from you as always
I think orobashi is same as goodies of salt to nice for the time they lived
kinda crazy how I know the story from reading Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint
He's a good snek
This makes me believe that either raiden ei or raiden shogun will be killed at some point of the story. Finally the karma for killing so many gods will catch up to her. Makes sense
Dude You do realize morax was doing the exact same thing too, right……?
If you read the Archaic Petra You would know that
at one point Zhongli was An extremely ruthless and an merciless God he and killed everyone that he concluded to be a threat because of his bloodlust and vengeance for his dead friend,
All of gods did the exact same thing…
Before Lore: Local Snake god pick fight he cannot win.
After Lore: Snek Jesus!
Very interesting video!!!
Orobashi simply didn't have what it takes to thrive in this fast paced environment
They really could stand to learn a thing or two from electro seelies.
Meanwhile Nicki Minaj did
True
You need to look at the timeline of all the events for a complete understanding of Orobashi's lore
I hope the anime will cover the war between ei and orobashi
Orobashi willing to be a martyr is sad man, damn that line made me tear up 😭
I love your voice!
Orobaxi built his Army and After He attacked Raiden. He deserved it
Nah. It's his fate. He knew he has no chance against ryden
Can you please do the thunderbird's tale from tsurumi island later?
I wonder if Devs wanted to use Kannabi no Mikoto from "Air" as an additional obscure refference for Orobashi
Is the snake Raidens familiar besides Yae and that thunder bird?
No, he is a god like Raiden, just dead
Could it be that Oribaxi knew the Tatarigami would create a dangerous border, further isolating/protecting the people of Watatsumi?
Problem with that is that not only are you poisoning the very land your people wanted to settle, you also create even more resentment for the people of Watatsumi from those of Inazuma. Why would Makoto/Ei want to help the people who not only broke their treaty, but then killed who knows how many people in the conflict? I’m genuinely curious to know what Makoto was thinking after the conflict since she seemed content to just leave Watatsumi in one piece.
But... Orobashis death wasnt during the archon war. It was later, where the victors had already emerged and the resentful gods were driven to the black sea.
Orobashi sacrificed himself
But it was mad disrespect that ei didn't have to go where Orobashi is to kill him lol
he could’ve just asked raiden makoto for a trade offer… 😭
Wait did deshret and the goddess of flowers die before the archon war?
No it was after
It's complicated, king deshret was the strongest god between ruka and GoF, so by that logic he would be the archon. However, he shared his seat with ruka and GoF.
He and GoF, later rediscovered forbidden knowledge and GoF dies. Deshret then goes mad and ruka stops the forbidden knowledge, deshret dies/sacrifices himself in the process.
I believe this happened during the archon war and that GoF death was intended. I think celestia wanted to kill her from the start but just need a good reason to do it.
No after, so im supecting the "golden god" to be either him or Zhongli ... but zhongli never had such title but Al-Ahmar do so IN MY OPINION, its Deshret.
Al Ahmar and the GoF died after RKDVT ascended. Deshret was actually offered the seat but declined it. so yeah, these three already won the War in Sumeru.
Inazuma is still my favourite region in lore because I like Japanese history and mythology a lot which Inazuma draws a ton from. But because it is so poorly written there are so much misunderstanding of every single aspect of Inazuma by the general audience.
Watatsumi itself is actually the weakest link in Inazuma's story and they shouldn't have been set up as the "hero faction" to go against the Shogunate, because of the invasion of Yashiori they were literally the aggressors and the villains in this case. Regardless of the Celestia interference, Makoto already had a peaceful agreement with Watatsumi and they broke the agreement and invaded Inazuma. The current Watatsumi isn't "rebelling" against anything, they are literally continuing their invasion, instead of acknowledging their own fault as initial aggressors towards a friendly nation, they think of themselves as rebels, and then got themselves exploited by the Fatui.
This became such a poor setup which further adds to the actual most misunderstood character of Inazuma, Raiden Ei. Given no time to mourn at all, she was forced to take the place of Makoto while she was in deep depression, so much that she had to cast aside her emotions and become an actual emotionless robot so that she can continue to serve Inazuma and protect her people forever and never fail again. She then gave Inazuma 499 years of prosperity and peace until 1 year ago the Fatui corrupted members of the government to pass the laws of Vision Hunt and Sakoku and exploited the people of Watatsumi to go against Raiden Shogun.
Now most people don't even understand how much Raiden gave herself to protect Inazuma and instead see her as a villain when she was literally the one person who sacrificed everything down to her very soul, and think the actual antagonists, the rebels were the heroes. Raiden gave her all and protected Inazuma and in the end she was betrayed by her own corrupt government and invading Watatsumi who she gave mercy to.
Can I ask for your help in my comments?
@nightmare I can definitely agree that the Inazuma arcs definitely has its problems
FINALLYYYY OROBASHIIII
Best snek
you should become voice actor for the game
wud you ever consider putting in captions?
he's so important to inazuman lore but no cutscenes ? 💀
Damn bro deserved better ☹️
Nice reference to Yamato no Orochi, but Orobashi is probably also inspired by the dragon water deity Watatsumi en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watatsumi
I wish I knew people in real life that care about genshin lore
Orobashi and Kanna Kapatcir stans we’re seen! Orobashi and Kanna Kapatcir did nothing wrong especially Orobashi
Actually I see some similarities between him and king deshert , both knew something about forbidden knowledge and both sacrificed themselves for their people though I think king deshert is more stupid
How can Orobashi have read the book of before Sun and moon before coming to Enkanomiya when the book was written in Enkanomiya? That theory doesn’t make sense
We need his human form
😢😢i swear i wish he was actually still alive😢
Holy shit this is so sad
snek.
SNEK
either way he would have never been a god for long, there could only be 7 archons.
Oroboshi, sigma god