The Vatican has the largest astrological library in the world. I know a woman who's brother was working in there, not as an astrologer but he talked about all these ancient breathtakingly beautiful books in there. Be a good place to get locked in overnight except you would have to be able to understand and read many languages.
Various systems and techniques work because astrology is alive, the way the Universe and WE are alive. It's not "just" a set of rules to follow and symbols trying to tell us something. I used to think of astrology as a tool I used. Now I feel it is the other way around. Or perhaps astrology is working through me. Or all of these. Reciprocal in some way. We are a part of, not apart from, what we observe and the lens through which we live.
I have always found that the knowledge of one's astro personality can assist one not only to understand themselves in their actions and reactions but also assist others to know and understand the same. It can be useful in many realms in personal affairs as well as business. Everyone can have help in both areas. To know and understand yourself and others is a blessing in disguise. Never underestimate the power of that knowledge.It is far from boring and it is what the world could use more of, especially in this day and time.
"Working for enlightenment is a waste of time. What you have to do is get the garbage out of the way, and enlightenment will follow." -Robert Hand Absofuckinglutely true. This is how logic works. It is a filter for everything that is untrue and irrelevant... Work on that, and then you find that all things that are true are also always relevant.
"it feels stuck"... "as if we needed to be more stuck" 57:24 - imho that is the majority of astrology videos on youtube. takes truly great astrologers (and/or humans) to understand the role of astrology within the unlimited field that lies beyond it. and that is exactly what i find valuable in astrology: it can help you understand your character, the place where you tend to get *stuck* and perhaps then free yourself through insight. everything that has been created can change. i too am stuck every time i cannot see it, or hold on to it for fear of what might happen when i let it go.
The idea of (a true) diversity (of astrologies) reminds me of Jodorowsky's comment about The Tower card in his "Way of Tarot" book. He notes how in the bible the Tower of Babel, its destruction and the proliferation of languages is more a blessing than a catastrophe to mankind.
So eye opening. Thank you. We need to stop being afraid to fail, to be different, as long as we have will, reason, faith and the ability to understand we can be wrong as long as there is a good purpose. I see is a lot in my spiritual practice, where there may be negative visions but we immediately try to look for ways of changing those negative possibilities. I can see the relationship a bit better between different forms of divination now, and eases my mind a bit from trying to pursue the elusive truth, which there are many. Thank you so much!
It is relative to the observer. As an electronic tech a long time ago, I learned of a phenomenon called the Miller effect across a capacitance from the input to output of the amplifier. The capacitance had the effect of electrically appearing larger amount of capacitance as compared from the other side because of the gain of the amplifier. This is physics. It is relative to your position of observation; neither is wrong. I think maybe similar to both of your two different approaches with astrology. I have learned from both of your works.
Hi there! After long years of deep searching I finally stick to the conclusion that our best astral chart is the one of our conception date, around 9 months before our birth... best regards to all, Andrea.
Both can't be true. They give contradictory delineations of the same configuration. Imagine having two maps that tell you where New York City is, and each one takes you to a different place, then claiming they are both correct. No. There is one right answer.
I think at 45 minutes into it, is the most interest I had in the two speaking when S. Forrest espouses his philosophical views on deterministic astrology. That to me, says it all. Didn't need to hear the rest
It seems to me as though Vedic astrology is more accurate for you going forward, and Western astrology is more accurate for you and your past self. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.
What is Rob Hand talking about ''same results''? A good book is Under One Sky, where 12 Astrologers, including the two here, looked at a chart. 12 at times very different people were described. Outcome is, most Astrologers are talking nonsense, even all of them, since their ideas lead to profoundly different perceptions of reality.
Chris Brennan, despite the meek exterior, is a Scorpio, and like many Scorpios seeks to dominate. But he is very boring. 😂😂😂 So it won't work. How he gets the views I don't know but it mainly relies upon the people who go on his podcast, not him!
He gets views for 1 producing a ton of content that no one else is talking about, and 2 is sucking up to literally everyone out there in an attempt to be inclusive of every astrological mutant with a corrupted, post modern view of astrology.
You made a broad spectrum determination regarding Hindu astrology based on one reading? Astrology, first and foremost, is about science and mathematics. The interpretation is secondary.
I never realized Steven Forest was such a dinosaur: old fashioned, afraid and extremely self-conscious. His books are very useful but he is so in love with hearing himself speak, so self-referencing and so judging of others’ astrological choices and styles. His mercury must be Quincunx my mercury, haha. Robert Hand is where it’s at. Talk about enlightened objectivity.
Rodger Hodgson being that I made that comment 9 months ago, I imagine I was commenting on how they are navigating the changing astrological business environment, but not sure
What a fabulous discussion and such honor to listen to these two great legends. Thank you.
The Vatican has the largest astrological library in the world. I know a woman who's brother was working in there, not as an astrologer but he talked about all these ancient breathtakingly beautiful books in there. Be a good place to get locked in overnight except you would have to be able to understand and read many languages.
good enough for me
Maybe one day, the Vatican will open its libraries and catacombs for universal access.
@@mainerockflour3462 they'd rather burn down the library....then letting the public know the truth ;-)
They never did obey their bible.
@@mainerockflour3462 I think Hell will freeze over before they open the Vatican library 😂
Various systems and techniques work because astrology is alive, the way the Universe and WE are alive. It's not "just" a set of rules to follow and symbols trying to tell us something.
I used to think of astrology as a tool I used. Now I feel it is the other way around. Or perhaps astrology is working through me. Or all of these. Reciprocal in some way. We are a part of, not apart from, what we observe and the lens through which we live.
TWO GREAT MEN.
It's a true pleasure, to listen in on this discussion.
I have always found that the knowledge of one's astro personality can assist one not only to understand themselves in their actions and reactions but also assist others to know and understand the same. It can be useful in many realms in personal affairs as well as business. Everyone can have help in both areas. To know and understand yourself and others is a blessing in disguise. Never underestimate the power of that knowledge.It is far from boring and it is what the world could use more of, especially in this day and time.
RESPECT. You two are the real MVPs
"Working for enlightenment is a waste of time. What you have to do is get the garbage out of the way, and enlightenment will follow."
-Robert Hand
Absofuckinglutely true. This is how logic works. It is a filter for everything that is untrue and irrelevant... Work on that, and then you find that all things that are true are also always relevant.
Brilliant discussion....I could listen to Robert Hand laugh all day!!🤣🤭♥️
WHAT A WONDERFUL INTERVIEW ! maybe the best astrology interview i have ever heard.
"it feels stuck"... "as if we needed to be more stuck" 57:24 - imho that is the majority of astrology videos on youtube. takes truly great astrologers (and/or humans) to understand the role of astrology within the unlimited field that lies beyond it. and that is exactly what i find valuable in astrology: it can help you understand your character, the place where you tend to get *stuck* and perhaps then free yourself through insight. everything that has been created can change. i too am stuck every time i cannot see it, or hold on to it for fear of what might happen when i let it go.
I look up to and respect these two men so much and love reading their work.
Two grandmaster's enjoying a wonderful conversation 🔥👍🎉🙏
The idea of (a true) diversity (of astrologies) reminds me of Jodorowsky's comment about The Tower card in his "Way of Tarot" book. He notes how in the bible the Tower of Babel, its destruction and the proliferation of languages is more a blessing than a catastrophe to mankind.
This is a delightful talk!
Thank you for this enlightening talk!
So eye opening. Thank you. We need to stop being afraid to fail, to be different, as long as we have will, reason, faith and the ability to understand we can be wrong as long as there is a good purpose. I see is a lot in my spiritual practice, where there may be negative visions but we immediately try to look for ways of changing those negative possibilities. I can see the relationship a bit better between different forms of divination now, and eases my mind a bit from trying to pursue the elusive truth, which there are many.
Thank you so much!
Great interview...
"The only things I read are in Latin. It's my fave, what the hell." - Rob Hand
Hmm..Yes...
he is always funny even when he does not mean to be
Two wise sages...
These two and Jeff, who got me started so very long ago.
💙🧡💜💙🧡💜
Who is Jeff?
I totally agree with both great astrologers about different kinds of astrology. Any kinds have their own correctness, no need to discredit any kinds.
What a treat to watch. Thank you.
I would love to hear the talk in the yar 2020!
Different groups and information and astrological ideas grow our knowledge, applications, and improve our readings.
It is relative to the observer. As an electronic tech a long time ago, I learned of a phenomenon called the Miller effect across a capacitance from the input to output of the amplifier. The capacitance had the effect of electrically appearing larger amount of capacitance as compared from the other side because of the gain of the amplifier.
This is physics. It is relative to your position of observation; neither is wrong. I think maybe similar to both of your two different approaches with astrology. I have learned from both of your works.
Gold.
Hi there! After long years of deep searching I finally stick to the conclusion that our best astral chart is the one of our conception date, around 9 months before our birth... best regards to all, Andrea.
Interesting...I started into Astrology in 1979 with all Robert Hand's books...I don't know Steven Forrest at all yet...
wow so long time
Thank you
Excellent.
cool you got robert in an interview. wow
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Where do the character traits attributed to astrological signs/houses/planets come from? Any good study source recommendations? Thankya kindly :)
Maybe Sumerian?
Retro jupiter in cancer first haus 🥺❤️❤️❤️
Rick Levine is not here. Who knows what's in the Oort Cloud?
est-il possible d'avoir les sous-titres ? merci
Essayez-le maintenant. Merci.
Placidus Orbs match between two people 10 out of 12 what does that mean?
Plenty of Vedics on You Tube.
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cookies 🍪 the Twins 👯♀️
To me, it's never 'either or' but BOTH are true. Vedanta and Western. It's only up to us individually to understand why.
Both can't be true. They give contradictory delineations of the same configuration. Imagine having two maps that tell you where New York City is, and each one takes you to a different place, then claiming they are both correct. No. There is one right answer.
I think at 45 minutes into it, is the most interest I had in the two speaking when S. Forrest espouses his philosophical views on deterministic astrology. That to me, says it all. Didn't need to hear the rest
Too bad they aren't supported by anything other than his own desires.
It seems to me as though Vedic astrology is more accurate for you going forward, and Western astrology is more accurate for you and your past self. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.
What is Rob Hand talking about ''same results''? A good book is Under One Sky, where 12 Astrologers, including the two here, looked at a chart. 12 at times very different people were described. Outcome is, most Astrologers are talking nonsense, even all of them, since their ideas lead to profoundly different perceptions of reality.
Those were all modern astrologers, of course they were wrong. They aren't doing real astrology.
Chris Brennan, despite the meek exterior, is a Scorpio, and like many Scorpios seeks to dominate. But he is very boring. 😂😂😂 So it won't work. How he gets the views I don't know but it mainly relies upon the people who go on his podcast, not him!
He gets views for 1 producing a ton of content that no one else is talking about, and 2 is sucking up to literally everyone out there in an attempt to be inclusive of every astrological mutant with a corrupted, post modern view of astrology.
You made a broad spectrum determination regarding Hindu astrology based on one reading? Astrology, first and foremost, is about science and mathematics. The interpretation is secondary.
I never realized Steven Forest was such a dinosaur: old fashioned, afraid and extremely self-conscious. His books are very useful but he is so in love with hearing himself speak, so self-referencing and so judging of others’ astrological choices and styles. His mercury must be Quincunx my mercury, haha. Robert Hand is where it’s at. Talk about enlightened objectivity.
So Astrologers can’t even come to grips with the Times? You should probably just live your life.
Well these can't I guess lol. There are better astrologers than these two imo. Anne Ortelee is very good.
Olavo de Carvalho
brought me here.
Doesn't matter because it's all fiction anyways - so do what you want to do.
Hmm, how do you know it's all fiction?
Two old men trying to be relevant and make a living.
Rodger Hodgson excuse me?
Rodger Hodgson being that I made that comment 9 months ago, I imagine I was commenting on how they are navigating the changing astrological business environment, but not sure
cool you got robert in an interview. wow