History of WWI Primer 031: Italian Carcano Carbines Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Cartridge: 6.5x52mm
Capacity: 6 rnds
Length: 36.25"
weight: 6.9 lbs
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The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle
A Detailed Developmental & Production History
Giovanni Chegia & Alberto Simonelli with Ralph Riccio
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Italy's Battle Rifle
Russ Arendell and Steve Woodrum
Il Novantuno Mannlicher-Carcano Das italienische Waffensystem Modell 1891
Wolfgang Riepe
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I'm proud of you both. You did this whole Carcano series together without once mentioning Lee Harvey Oswald.
No need until the M38
A lot of younger people don't have a clue who Lee Harvey Oswald is nor what he did to become notorious.
@sman7290 I've had people tell me the damdest things trying to make a sale. One guy had a p38 which I'd have liked to have bought but this jerk told me that the small chips you could see in the grips where the bones of Jews that had died in concentration camps. While logic told me he was full of bleep and it was more likely to be wood chips used as filler what I told him was I didn't want the bleeping thing in my house. I don't think that was the reaction he wanted. 😂🤣😂🤣😉🤢
sman7290 I bought a 91/28 Carcano last year for $200 at a gun show, after he sold it to me the guy asking “Are you gonna be hunting any Kennedys?”
@@dwightehowell8179 Says you.
"...and 360 no scope like no-one's business."
I laughed out loud, and laughed at the thought of the rampant tea-bagging that would follow a trench raid.
Lefty is Earl and righty is Grey
I'm sure the fact that Italy is basically a long strip of annoyingly rugged, hilly, even mountainous land had something to do with the ambivalence towards cavalry and a reliance on highly mobile infantry. EDIT....months later: The Bersaglieri are badasses. The feathers look a little 'dandy' at first but somehow on modern kit they actually look pretty cool. Wonder what the Afghans thought about the Italian plumage walkin' down the roads a handful of years ago.
yes my uncle was a bersagliere in ww ii in albania...shot a few and he was a badass!!
@@louispisani7110 I'd love to hear more!
Sounds like Jackson's 'foot cavalry' in the Shenandoah campaign. They tied up something like three divisions, so they were pretty bad ass.
''hi, I'm Othias''
prove it.
Well j mean he does have a beard and THE hat...
Oh yeah? Then who was that guy who tried to pass as Othias a few weeks back? He had the beard and the hat too. (yes, someone noticed. I wasn't born yesterday, you know. I had to watch the vid several times to see it, though.)
you realize that was mae right. . .
AKA "Beardy"
So what I get from this WW1 series is that:
- 6.5mm good
- larger calibers bad
To be fair , 6.5 seems to be the Goldilocks diameter for both full power and intermediate cartridges for its high accuracy, low recoil affects while still having enough “ stopping power” similar to a 7.62 diameter cartridge. Of course , none of that mattered for the Italians since they never switched to spitzer bullets, reducing a lot of the positive effects of a light 6.5 cartridge while not getting any of the power of a 30 cal bullet.
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 man you have the most polish last name i ever encounter in my lifetime.
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 Jesus christ, its Brzeczyszykiewic
I'm just imagining a guy on a bike using a full length carcano for jousting
I think you mean a Vespa
Great supplement to the long rifle! I enjoy these "multi-part" or "family" oriented series... Family oriented..... that didn't come out right...
sounds right to me.
@@Candrsenal i have a ts carbine with a beat up stock and handgaurd, to replace them to make the gun functional could i replace the damaged original with a 91 calvery carbine stock? Or even a m38 stock and handgaurd. Love the show and keep on truckin forward with it.
High praise indeed when it is from BML
The M91 TS was made in a larger number was because of the constant fights the Italians had on the Isonzo front. The weather there was horrendous and when the winter arrives, they found that those that did not have gloves were finding the bayonets to be more of a nuisance as when they accidentally touch it, some of their men's skin would stick on it thus they decided to issue more M91 TS there. Soon, with the constant attacks on the Austrians on the steep slopes, the TS does seem as a better choice.
Makes sense
My father was in an Italian armor unit before and during WW2. The Carcano carbine was issued to them as a tankers rifle. I have photos of Dad with his Carcano and CV33 light scout tank.
After the photo of the bicycle cavalry, I'm picturing a variation on the Bill Mauldin cartoon with the tearful cavalry sergeant about to shoot his disabled Jeep, except it's one of these guys with a busted front fork, getting ready to put his bike out of its misery.
As italian Gun owner and gun reviewer on TH-cam i have to say that you have done a great and beautiful job with this video Guys!! =D
Keep going just like that!! =D =D
No u
They totally stole the bayonet design from the chinese SKS.
Not sure if trolling?
+Luzian Wasescha me neither
+Edson Rodriguez Rivera since this is way older.
rofl
Awesome xD
Ok, seeing Mae's face light up when she held the M1 Carbine was a great way to start the day.
Also, I agree, these carbines are ADORABLE.
s'neat
9:29 The shell casing flying by the camera.... That was cool.
Right. Hollywood needs to set up shots like that more often, ha.
Awww...Italy...the beautiful weather, food, women, and Cacano rifes...Love it ALL!!!
16:33 360 no scope like nobody's business, I laughed very hard!
Super important skill
...If I make videos about BF1's weapons, could I use this line in a video somewhere? If ONLY they have short barreled carbines in the game.
That line just shows why this channel is in the God-tier of gun channels.
Zach Meynarez h
I think the TS is way cuter, because it's definitely a mini-Carcano. I will say I saw an M1891 Carbine in a gun shop the other day and had the exact same safety issue moving the bolt that Mae keeps talking about, which amused me to no end.
It's... annoying.
18:12 This is why I like the Kar98AZ so much. Down-turned bolt handle that's shaved off on the inside AS WELL as a notch cutout in the wood. It's incredibly easy to operate
Certainly gives more room.
C&Rsenal And it's knurled too, which aids in grip.
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16:40 - Mae pantomiming Othias jabbering is priceless! All future episodes should Ave a loop of this close captioned during all of Othias’s narratives😹!
Good job dude. First couple couple videos of yours i watched i thought they were too long winded. Then i figured out your gig. Love your stuff now. Really appreciate the history lesson. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad we converted you into willful boredom!
gotta get one of these now....love the muzzle flash
Sorry, Othias, but I watch these videos just to enjoy Mae's smile after each shot!
16:28 Was not expecting that on this channel. LOLed very hard at that.
my bad
I definitely approve of more Mae as a replacement for the lack of animation! The mischievous grin she sports whenever she's on the range never fails to make me laugh.
Watching the show from the beginning is pretty sweet
Finally caught up on all 31 episodes. As a fairly new collector of military surplus rifles and handguns, I am REALLY enjoying this series. Thanks for all the effort on a quality product!
Glad to hear it! I hope the improvements show
They ARE adorable and very handy. I have shot the folding bayonet version, and the full stocked version looks like it offers ergonomic advantages. However, Mar has shot both and I will go with her opinion. Glad to see a reliable, simple rifle get a fair shake for once.
unloved?! i love the carcano carbines! why i watched this video. and i loved it, you have an awesome gun collection and make a fantastic video!. subbing. keep up the work, cant wait to see when you get to ww2. Carcano carbines get too much hate.
Glad you enjoyed it!
NeuKrofta I my opinion the Carcano Carbine is the true carcano, it's better than the full sized version, I have one and it is amazing
I love my 91/24, ammo so expensive though.
@@arthurbradshaw7035 want to buy some 6.5?
I've shot a carcano carbine today. It's light, handy and very soft recoil. I liked it !
Absolutely fantastic hands down my favorite series on TH-cam. Also for those who don't appreciate mays (not sure how to spell it) contributions to the show don't see how her lighter frame and smaller stature adds to how you would perceive things like recoil, ergonomics, etc also I enjoy her commentary and its contrast to othais's
Thanks!
Don't know if it's been mentioned earlier - I stopped reading the comments when the name calling started - but no less a shooter than George Patton had a 6.5mm Carcano carbine sporterized for medium game during WWII. If it was good enough for Georgie...... IIRC, the rifle is on display in the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox, KY. Great series; keep up the good work.
Never heard that one, interesting!
A thing he had in common with the King Victor Emmanuel III. He too used a Carcano TS Carbine for hunting.
@@neutronalchemist3241 the king used that becouse the full size caricano was too big for him, seriously he was 1,5 meters tall
@@pregno1421 full size for hunting was too big for everyone.
Patton probably had respect for the bravery of some Italian units and individuals. Maybe the closest he came to death during the second war was when he came ashore (his real landing, not his later, "original Hollywood" version) on Sicily and a Macchi made repeated strafing passes in suicidal AA cover. Dying for "Lo Zucchone".
been watching since the beginning and you guys keep getting better... never change gun nerds... never change, love you guys!
u no it
Just watched this video and think you guys did a very awesome job. Very impressed with your info and format.
Very good two part series on the Carcano. I've been reading up on the various iterations lately. These rifles got an unfair bad reputation through the years.
Excellent video as always, keep up the good work! My knowledge of Carcano rifles is quite limited and I have learned a lot from you guys.
Thanks
very interesting. a heartfelt thank you to you all, from the bayou in Kent, England.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video guys! Informational and fun. Keep it up!
Im not even a gun fan and I find these vids fascinating
Awesome review and thanks for mentioning the Bersaglieri.
I just bought a Carcano carbine, thanks in part to you guys
So did Italian soldiers get acheivements, bonuses and awards for ten 360 no scope kills?
Yes.
LOL
Some were shot as a punishment for using aimbot.
the shooter was stunning, and a great shooter!
Very impressive your knowledge and presentation was top shelf!
9:59 Annie Oakley step aside, almost 1moa standing unsupported! Incredible shooting Ma'am.
Great video
"I'm gonna go with my preferences, and you guys can just deal with it." Mae's getting SALTY!
Thanks for another great video, O and M!
Also, I think the M1 Garand is off laughing somewhere at the "ping" comment.
I adore how compact this thing is.
Congratulations, you've convinced me to give one a shot (literally)
it's not often I can actually afford or even find the rifles you talk about in this series but Royal Tiger imports has those 1891 Carcano carbines for only $140 right now
Thank you both for another top notch video. You two really are awesome.
Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it and us!!
More Mae! MORE MAE!
MOAR!
Bought one, hard to find ammo, but my oldest son agreed, its a great shooter. Solved the bolt sticky issue, polished all the surfaces and very light Kroil oil oiling (thanks Mark!). Found grooves and flats had too much friction.
Great info..
Very nice 👍
I'm military sniper from Sardinia and no more people know all these history facts .
Thank's
There's just something about really, really short rifles that I love.
I live my carcanos!! I own 12 ans still counting! These rifles and carbines are so fun to shoot and so simple.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA more Mae and her smiles
Another worthwhile watch.
There are times, Othais, that your humor is so dry it could be used as a desiccant. A useful quality in your line of work.
What humor?
Love the series. Keep it up
Thanks!
Very nice put together video, chock full of great information and numbers! I'm a pretty proud owner of a Trophy send back M-38 one in 6.5mm and one of which was converted by the Nazi's to 8mm Mauser, which I will never fire due to the fact it was known to kill more Fascist than the Allie's when they were over pressured by the German ammunition! BUT the M-38 in 6.5mm is a very sweet gun for hunting being so short and lightweight! Plenty of stopping power but definitely not overbearing to shoot it all day long! Appreciate your video and thank you for sharing your information on these semi rare rifles!
"Sounds delicious, but it's actually a carbine. Let's go take a look in the light box." That is just the perfect way to put it.^^
imho the coolest looking rifle of ww1 and ww2
Very nice thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Those look and seem to be some pretty handy and dandy carbines.... great vid.
THanks!
You did an excellent all inclusive video and Mae is a real cutie...I like her enthused smile.
I just ordered one of the Carcano M91/24 carbines yesterday from Bud's guns, hopefully I get a good one.
Wonder if soldier used to teabag their victims after those 360 no scopes.
only the 420th Faze Regiment
I'm pretty sure some bersagliare did
Damn ! nobody going to give any mention of Mae? Beautiful!
great vid as always
Thanks!
Compliments, i am Italian , you know very well the italian Hystory, Best regards
That bayonet is the biggest switchblade I've ever seen. Brings new meaning to the phrase "the short sword of the Romans." :-D
PS: An the truth comes out - Othias' hair is _exactly_ the same shape as his hat. LOL
The more I learn about carcanos the more I like them.
That special troop carbine looks like it's be a heck of a handy little stalking rifle
Great video. I just got my mitts on a carcano carbine and I'm having a time figuring out when it was modified into carbine configuration. Anyways, I'm looking forward to getting some of the clips and ammunition to feed it.
I like her hair, not sure if it's new, as I haven't been watching many videos recently, but it is really nice.
Thanks! I chopped it off a few episodes back.
I have a carcano that was made in 1940 and it works good,and thanks to you i now know it's a carbine.
Unloved? That makes me sad. These are awesome!
I got one of those carbines haven’t fired it because I haven’t had time to clean it up first, I have another one a m91 TS, but that one runs like a Swiss clock except for the fact that last round just does NOT want to chamber without assistance, it tries to stick itself straight up in the sky, which means you have to push it down with a finger while trying to rack the round into the chamber but all in all a great rifle.
Thanks for the video, guys. There's no Italy represented in my C&R collection, so I guess I need to do something about that.
(Nice slow-mo ammo fountain, btw)
Time to go SHOPPING
I like the Carcanos. I have a 91, calvery carbine and a 38.. I agree with May and like the carbine the best. Fun to shoot.
Yus!
Great episode! Great shooting! This question is for Mae, what is the sight picture you are using to get such a fine group? I’ve read that the front sight post is held at the bottom of the V-notch. You said a 6 o’clock hold, how deep in the rear sight is your sight picture? I’m a collector of a number of Carcano’s that I plan to shoot when weather permits. Thanks in advance.
All your videos are superb. The bayonet on this nifty death dispenser is nothing more than a device for picking up litter. It is a bad idea. And when they dicker over the locking mechanism I want to cry, "Enough!".
awesome channel...
Thanks
I accidently stumbled over your channel this morning and was VERY impressed, so much so I subscribed three minutes into the video. Very informative ! I have been circling two of these little carbines for several months but knew so little about them that I've been holding off. Come Tuesday (when the gun store I do most of my business at opens it's doors again) I plan on buying either both for shooters or one for shooting and the second for parts....and they are both in excellent condition with almost "like new" bores!.....Heck, I may just shoot both and rotate their usage so as not to wear either of them out. By the way, have you ever done voice over work for PBS or another TV network that carries a lot of DYS type programming? I'd swear I've heard your voice on TV describing projects that the otherwise mostly silent carpenters, electricians, etc., etc. were doing. It's the cadence, tone, and word usage that sounds so familiar. Thanks for an excellent video. Now all I have to do is catch up with your previous uploads.....
Glad to hear the episode came in handy! No voice acting work though I'm sorry to say.
Private Luigi Macaroni, posthumously awarded the highest Italian honors for his use of 360 no scopes in the trenches
I purchased a 1935 FNA Brescia manufactured Moschetto that somehow avoided British or American test proofing before it made its way to me in Canada. The stock and hand guard serial numbers don’t match but they’re written in pencil inside which is really cool. The hand guard appears to be much taller than the factory hand guard and the slot where the rear sight folds down into is crudely hand hand carved out. It is a fascinating piece of history and I wish I could find out where it found itself upon Italian army acceptance.
A buddy of mines grandad had passed that rifle down to him. Sat in his garage for a long time and he didn't know what it was. I told him it was a 6.5 Italian carcano carbine. The bolt had a split right down the middle, the action was locked up and wouldn't open. After doing some work on it I got it to cycle and function. Unfortunately it's not really in shooting conditions, rather in terrible shape. But it's neat history that he'll pass on and on
Hi, great video, very well documented. I've found your video researching about Carcanos, since I've just bought a M38 Cavalry with fixed iron sights. I am accostumed to WW1 and WW2 bolt action rifles, but I just don't understand the sights of this specific model, I miss every time, even at 50yds... Do you know how to aim with Carcanos fixed iron sights ?
Not that it could be done during either war, but it would be interesting to see what might be accomplished with the use of a lighter spitzer bullet out of the same cartridge. Both this and the Arisaka are practically intermediate cartridges when compared to many of their contemporaries.
Credit to the Isonzo game for making me aware of these guns in the first place
LOL @ Miss Mae with her comment on girling out too much ! she has alot of cute factor with short hair and glasses! huggs to Mae she reminds me of my oldest niece
My interest in the Carcano currently is because I've been watching videos about the JFK assassination and I reckon that Lee's Carcano looks pretty slick. I love all historic firearms but the Carcano has my full attention currently. It's a shame I'm Australian and will never be able to enjoy any of these weapons for myself but I love that I'm able to enjoy the in depth description and history of these amazing firearms. Love your work Othias! And Mae ain't a bad shot either.
I thought you guys could have bolt action?
We can, I own 1.
My dad had a 91 rifle. Didn't the safety lock the bolt, I'm not sure now. Anyway, I liked the safety for a couple of reasons. When the safe was on , you knew it because it blocked the sights (if I remember correctly). And I like that fact that it works as a de-cocker. I guess there's no great advantage to having a de-cocker on it, but I like it anyway.
Nice rifle 👍
I did enjoy Miss Mae's control and shooting of both carbines. I am impressed with the results - shot groups. Which made me wonder; At what range does Miss Mae engage those targets? You (either) have no doubt mentioned that before, but I've either missed it or forgot it.
By the way, one of my recent WWI finds is a Carcano TS carbine, stamped on the barrel boss "Bresica" and 1917, which I assume are obvious. (I do have the M1891 long rifle as well, but I would rather have one of the shorter guns than lug the big one over hill and dale.) This video and subject is of personal value. Thanks.
I got one of these just in time for all of the 6.5x52 ammo on the market to dry up
When Mae, in 2016, mentions that the US M1 Carbine will be about a year away, queue the TikTok song, "Oh no. Oh no. Oh no no no no no".
You answered the questions I had about why some preferred the TS over the Carbine. Are there modern versions or replicas available, perhaps in today's popular calibers?
Keep it up
I just ordered a Carcano carbine from Classic Firearms. My grandfather was a Alpini captain in the Italian armed forces in WW1 so I figured that was the weapon that his men used. Being an officer he probably just carried a pistol i’m thinking. The carbines were reduced in price from $269.00 to $229.00 on the Black Friday sale.