You are 100 percent correct. They don’t make them like they used to. Thank god for TH-cam. And high quality history content creators like Drachinifel and Mark Felton
I would like to have my last adventure to be on the Bowdoin. My friend and are getting old. Our children and grand children are in their 40s and 50s. We live on an Island in Maine. Our dear husbands have long since departed. The harbor we live in is called Southwest Harbor. Most of our lives we have watched those beautiful boats glide by which still deliver cargo here and there up and down the coast of Maine. We can but dream. Lovely video. Thank you so much.
I was a Schooner Crew on the Ernestina-Morressey with Captain Dan Moreland on the 1987 Great Lakes Tour. The Ernestina-Moressey, then Moressey with Captain Bob Bartlett was sheathed in Greenheart wood to withstand the Arctic Explorations in the 1940s.
Macmillan's Bowdoin was not the first schooner designed to withstand being caught in the ice pack. Fridtjof Nansen's "Fram", designed by Norwegian shipwright Colin Archer, was similarly designed with a nearly V-shaped hull strengthened on the inside with thick beams and sheathed in greenheart. She was launched in 1892 and was of c. 400 tons, rigged as a three-masted schooner with square sails on the foremast and also carried a steam engine with a retractable propeller. As opposed to the Bowdoin's one year in the ice, the Fram was intentionally caught in the polar ice pack north of Siberia and stayed in the ice for three years. Nansen's original plan had been to let her drift with the ice straight over the North Pole, but she took a more southerly course. Fram was later used by Otto Sverdrup to discover the islands west of Ellesmere in the Canadian Arctic and she also carried Amundsen's party to Antarctica, where they won the race to the South Pole.
@@JadeDelphi 1) I didn't say "New England schooner"; a schooner is a schooner based on its rigging, not on its provenance. 2) I am home, where my ancestors have lived since the Stone Age. If you aren't Native American, you are the one who should go home. 3) Keep a civil tongue in your head, this isn't Facebook.
Schooners are beautiful boats, but to sail around the world, I would prefere a ketchrig. Because the schooner's mainsail is too big and too far back on the boat, now, if you have a constant tradewind from the stearn, you will have to take the mainsail down, to prevent the boat from jibing. On a ketch, you can take the small mizzen down, and that leaves you with a big mainsail way forward on the deck, which is pulling the boat. Much better.
In talking about the Thomas W Lawson wrecking and showed a picture of the Peter Ardale wrecked near the mouth of the Columbia River on the Oregon coast. You forgot the most famous schooner. The America, that sailed to England and entered a race for the 100 Guinea Cup, won it and returned home with what was to become the "Americas Cup".
Webb Trekker: There would have been more famous ones I expect from the War of 1812 and there was even a schooner passing messages at the Battle of Trafalgar AND I think it took the news of the Victory and Nelsons death back to England Which to a Brit is more important than a Cup
Yarmouth, Nova Scotia built some of the finest schooners that sailed. No mention of that famous ship the "Bluenose" , appearing to this day on the Canadian dime.
OUTSTANDING JOB!! To; Mr. Renny Stackpole, It is great to see you still alive and healthy. I should have known that after teaching would come curatorship. ALL-A-TAUT-O aboard "CAPELLA" sdh in CT
The name schooner "Bowden" was launched in 1921, Hodgdon Brothers Shipyard, East Boothbay, Maine, built with a v-shaped hull to withstand the ice, following the wish of Mr. Donald B. MacMillan. The first ship to follow this principle but was the norwegian 3-masted schooner "Fram" (="ahead") of the Polar scientist Mr. Friedtjof Nansen. The order to build it, was given then to Mr. Colin Archer (remember the name?). The "Fram" was built in 1892 and was the first ship to follow the circular drift of the arctic ice. It is a museum ship in the harbour of the Norwegian capital Oslo now. Schooners are still used commercially in Indonesia as far as I know. Perhaps the earth is too flat in the USA to recognize the efforts of other countries and people from time to time?😉
I watched the movie Captains Courageous with Spencer Tracy. I was interested in the livelihood of these brave sailors and how they lived. Now I want to ride one feel what they felt and share even on a small scale what it was like.
A "schooner" has a main mast is taller than the fore mast or masts, some photos of single mast boats they are not schooners they are "sloops". The reason they were so popular by the US and Canada was that there pro-dominant wind is a land sea or sea land breeze and the schooner was best suited for reaching across the wind therefore the ideal ship for their waters and trade routes. Where as the rest of the world sailed the trade winds that blow the ships along therefore suiting the square rigged ships they managed to completely miss this fact out. Great footage of classic sailing boats if you don't mind the story telling of the narrator giving a very one sided account. I was hoping to see some footage of the Grand Banks Schooner sailing there is some great footage out there I realise its Canadian but it is more interesting.
As a newbie to sailing, and speaker of EASL, I thank you for helping me finally understand the meaning of "reaching", the operative word being "across" the predominant wind direction. just race, no tacking, clever.
Partially correct what makes a schooner unique is they can sail 30° to 40° into the wind. A square rig can only sail 60° into the wind at best. Schooners are also faster due to there more shallow draft and narrower width.
The advantages of schooner rigs are obvious. What needs explanation is why they did not replace notoriously clumsy and labour-intensive square rigs much earlier. Nobody ever mentions this.
Right, how can this be about schooners and never define what a schooner is, a fore and aft rigged ship with the mainmast being the aftermost mast, carrying the largest sail. It would also have been interesting to have a little more practical comparison of the support and running rigging of fore and aft rigged ships compared to square rigged ships. Poetry and folklore wouldn't have been the point to people spending their money to build a working boat.
Man i hope this small sail cargo movement growing today keeps going. The environmental benefit of wooden sailing cargo is worth it i.m.o. Screw giant tankers as a species we need to prioritize and subsidise greener more substanable methods.
and I hear nothing about Lake Superior schooners! Once metal ships came around, the schooner had her masts cut down and serve as lowly barges which were towed. :) had to get my bit in about the U.P. early sailing vessels :)
The title of this should be, Great Ships Schooners of the United States. I love the United States however in their love of country Americans tend to overlook other nations that are great as well. In every way the Bluenose, which was a working ship, sliced through water best. It was fastest even when it was an old ship at the end of its career. Simply put American money could not take away the reputation of the craftsmen who built the Bluenose in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia.
@Luffaman You are correct that there is nothing wrong with this. It does however promote the stereotype that Americans don't know or care about anything beyond their own borders. This show provides a very incomplete picture.
@@NorthernFirehawk There is a history of American schooners in the US and there is also a related history of American schooners in Canada. I think you can learn something of the US heritage here. Why dont you put together a matching film of the Canadian heritage. I would love to hear about the ships Canadians built that led to the Bluenose.
@@ONECOUNT They are suited to the east coast of America and Canada as the prevailing wind is a reach . Unfortunately not popular in the UK as they were not ideally suited to going to windward . We favoured a narrow cutter type. Not such a good type overall in my view.
There were Brigs and Brigantines, Barks and Barkantines, ships and sloops and schooners with two masts, and three, sometimes four, five and even six. Large or small, freshly painted or faded and frayed it made no difference for each seemed destined to leave its' nameplate on the sands of Hatteras. Oak and cedar, mahogany and teak wood with hand hewn pegs, iron spikes, bolts and rivets...
Rolf Krake, a Scottish-built ironclad turret ship serving in the Danish navy and seeing action in the 1864 Second War of Schleswig, was a schooner-rigged vessel which allowed it to be propelled by sail as well as its steam-powered single-screw propeller.
I am corrected. The USS CONSTITUTION is the oldest sailing ship still afloat. And it was built in 1797. BTW its nickname OLD IRONSIDE was because the Brits cannon balls bounce off it like iron in the war of 1812. The brits called her ironside. And she scared the Limeys. Reason the canbon balks bounced off was due to her haul design and she was made of American Oak. Which is superior in strength to the wood the British had. ( why they didn't use Canada oak is beyond me.)
To start with it is nonsense Constitution never fought a ship it wasn't 50% bigger than and ones that carried 18lb guns vs Consitution's 24 lb guns. THe President built to the same design as the Constitution and generally consider a better ship was badly shashed up by the 24lb guns of HMS Emdymion
I'm pretty sure that the first schooner, probably to be found soon, was flash-frozen north of Maine, USA in the huge wave caused by the impact of the comets that ended the last Ice Age and it was crewed by Atlanteans some 12 to 15 thousand years ago. I'm good with that even if some ancient aliens were part of the crew. Gracias por tu video. RT sends, Colonia Centro Histórico, Puebla, México.
I love watching docs about the history of sailing ships. Fucking beautiful they are. I hate that the docs are actually mostly about war. Worse yet, that men still argue about whose beloved tax farm killed more people.
Why is it, that people watch an American Documentary, originally from an American TV channel...then Bitch about it being more focused on American portions of that history ? That's the same as if I watched an Italian documentary on Sports Cars and then complaining that they focus more on Ferrari or Lamborghini, instead of Aston Martin, etc ! WTF ? Simply Moronic.
Romantic? Aura? There is no sailing ship more beautiful than a schooner. This may be debatable, but when you add in how well she handles into the wind compared to a square-sailer, and how beautiful she is compared to modern stuff, the schooner is, by far, the best of the sailing ships ever created. Now, if these modern idiots could get this idea across, more people would be on the water. Fuck, come to think of it, let's NOT tell the high-tech about these wooden wonders, and keep sailing the way we should. Nature and science meet at navigation, and agree at beauty. But it wasn't the schooner that started the American revolution, it was a little mailing vessel, the Hannah. It was not a Washington commission, but a private vessel. Hannah led the chase by running from British customs schooner *Gaspee* , and due to the little Ketch's non-existent draft, the Gaspee was caught at what's now known as Gaspee Point. She was promptly and duly looted, plundered, and burned to the waterline, with no survivors. Piracy, or nation-forming? I can bus-ride there in an hour and a half or bike ride (Schwinn, not Harley) in 45 minutes. Welcome to United States Zero. King, bring it on. Now: "What have we done?" Maybe we should give it all back to the UK?
the Naratator is confusing Schooner with Gaff rig. These sails are Gaff rigged. Schooner refers to the way the masts are set. And the type of haul for many. As for where it comes from? Where their where gaff riggs in the time of the Roman Empire. So where it comes from is a long time ago and unknown. Also a Gaff is close to a Junk rig. One can see how they are alike. I would on a guess say at least 1000 BC and from the Mideast. It wasn't clear. Though there were clues that the narrator doesn't know his rigging until the British ship with a rear Gaff sail. He called it a Schooner sail.
As always: everybody explains the advantages of schooner rigs as compared to square rigs. But nobody ever explains why square rigs weren't replaced much earlier by schooner rigs.
Several reasons: materials strong enough to make it reliable were rare prior to the era in which schooners were common, as rigging and sails would tear or break too often, and the trade winds on the ocean meant that so long as you needn't worry about schedule, you could just change latitude until you found favorable wind, and tacking and wearing were not so disastrous. But Lord only knows how much more work they are to sail and run and how many extra lines there are. With the development of the Gaff Rig, as the most common Schooner Rig is called, even now it remains competitive against the Bermuda Rig in its various incarnations, which is the other common one. The two dominate modern pleasure craft, even those too small to be Schooners.
the term 'ship' is wildly misused. It properly refers to a square rigged sailing vessel of three masts and this design was most common in larger vessels. A schooner is a vessel with fore and aft sails with two or more masts with the foremast (the one in front) being shorter than those aft of it. A vessel with a square rig on the foremast and fore and aft sails on the mast (s) behind is a brigantine, a vessel with fore and aft sails and one mast is a sloop. Many think that sq rigged vessels can only sail with the wind behind (downwind) this is simply not true and they could make good speed with a beam wind and mayb even a little forward of that. Fore and aft rigged vessels such as schooners can sail much closer to the wind and can do what no sq rig can do, turn into the wind when they come about (reverse direction), this is called coming into irons and quickly reduces the forward motion of the ship that makes steering impossible, this problem can box in a ship on a lee shore and explains many ship wrecks. generally a schooner can sail with a smaller crew than a ship of the same general size.
The whole documentary is misleading. Schooner is only a sort of rigging a medium-sized sailing ship. It is not a particular or even worse, it is NOT an American vessel. Schooners were and still are found throghout the world, all of them with the higher mast aft. Heavy seagoing ships were squareriggers.
In Dutch the name is schoener, this sounds exact as the English schooner. While the o in the Dutch Schoner sounds like the oa in boat. (means cleaner and in old Dutch more beautiful ) So I do not think schooner has something to do with it gorgeous looks. The schooner is an American development, so I think you guys invented the name schooner and we Dutch just copied that and wrote it down like it sounded your "oo" is written in Dutch as "oe" so schoener. The schooner sailplan became very populair in The Netherlands around 1900. But in a totally different hull form. We call them platbodems (flat bottoms) . Most have swords (most times one on each side) but not all flatbottoms are schooners.
I very much enjoyed this film but I have one question....Why are the wheels out in the open? What not have the wheels in a wheel house/ pilot house??? I would not want to stand there out in the open in the rain, blazing sun and rough winds trying to steer the ship.
The OLDEST sailing ship in the US is the USS Constitution. Built around 1812. Which BTW is still in service. And perhaps the oldest war ship still in service. Now the Brits have s rival of the USS Constitution. It's older. HOWEVER its not in service. And unless something happen to OLD IRONSIDE, USS Constitution's nickname, even if the Limey is put back into service. The USS Constitution has served more years in service. On a side note. The US Coast Guard also has a sailing ship. But its haul is made of steal. Made around WWII. Dont get me wrong. The Coasty ship is pretty as well. I understand that Coast Guard officer serve a short time on their sailing ship. I also understand it on one of the great lakes. But has served on the oceans at times.
What longevity of old sea craft technology. Reminds me of certain aircraft that are also continuously being built brand new 60 - 80 years later. Meanwhile look at the vulnerability of automotive technology to demand for advancement for commercial purposes, but has durability been lost.
well as a marine technician I can tell you that new boats are sometimes well but as new and improved resins and infusion had made good progress (fiberglass boats) but as for the cars they have too much unusefull things and electronics that in no time will make those boats too expensive to maintain,
@@teknotikpointbiz the plan is to make things obsolete in a few years. Just past the final payment. I am also a boat builder. Over 40 years. Infusion is no better. Big waste of resin. Compensates for a lack of skilled laminators. I can achieve better resin to glass ratio with a bucket and roller. Or a wet out gun. Traditional vacuum bag is a very good method to bond core material. But F.G could last forever. Depends on an owner wishing to rehab. Or no. Skilled men are becoming a rare commodity.
No memtion of the Blue Nose. Pride of Canada and immortalized on the Canadian dime. Fastest schooner ever built it beat every American schooner in every race and retired undefeated. Of course the Americans don't mention this.
How could they leave out the great and last unlimited international yacht race from US to England. The race was won by the magnificent three masted schooner Atlantic. It crossed the Atlantic in 10 days, a record that stood for nearly a century.
Back then when Benjamin Franklin sail to England to talk to the king about the taxation of whiskey it would take at least 2 months prior to get from Boston to England Shores.
Is he sure about the name 'Nancy'? The Brits had 3 ships named Nancy, all built to late for this war. There was an HMS Nancy that was scuttled by it's crew in a river off Lake Huron in Ontario so the Americans who were breathing down their necks couldn't capture her. This was the War of 1812 though.
Schooners were built by almost all seafaring nations. If you want to see your favorite nation's schooner history, you are free to film, edit and post it. Otherwise, be silent and enjoy these beautiful ships.
Believe it or not they devised a method of storing it in crates with hay. It was devised just outside of Boston where there are many freshwater ponds. One is even called "Fresh Pond". Ice from these ponds made it around the world.
This film focused on schooners that were built & used in America, and the importance they played in some of the country's history. The schooner Bluenose was & still is a Canadian vessel, built for the purpose of fishing & racing. The original was wrecked on a reef, but replicas have since replaced it. I had the pleasure of boarding her & walking the deck of this handsome vessel when visiting Halifax, Nova Scotia, in the 1980s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluenose th-cam.com/video/CAuAXjyDv6A/w-d-xo.html
If it came from “schöner” then it means nicer or pretty then the “c” is pronounced as in “shoe” or “shore” German and Dutch don’t have a hard C sound. They use K
@@eddie1078 German, the "ö" in the german word "schöner" (meaning "more beautiful") sounds like the "u" in the english word "murder" or the "e" in the word "herd" (as in "cowherd") or the "i" in the english word "bird" or the "o" in "word".
I would love to sail aboard one of these, not as a crewman but as a passenger! I would mush rather be on one of these than a modern cruse ship that are just overpriced and overrated floating hotels and resorts!
Should you ever get the chance to travel to Turkey(country) you can sail aboard one of their sailing ships called a „Gulet“. You can even rent one and sail it yourself or hire a captain and crew. Beautiful boats to be sure. I was stationed in Turkey from 1991-1993 while in the USAF. I did a lot of exploring on my days off work. Russian boar hunting, deep sea fishing, snow skiing, hiking and camping. I had gotten a Turkish drivers license and drove to many sites not available to most visitors. Small coastal villages and towns were some of the best treasures. Cheers
Beautiful images, but cr@p narration ... heads almost directly into the wind? not possible, maybe 45 degrees off the wind at best ... and a lateen or sloop rigged vessel can do the same.
You know what the beauty of those ice carrying schooners was? They were unsinkable!! Think about it, ice is lighter than water. If a ice ship loaded with an ice cargo completely flooded its holds, it would actually sit HIGHER on the water, because all the ice in the hold would be pressing its way up against the ceiling of the hold trying to reach the surface!!
yeah because British intrusion into the West now know as Great Lakes region and British impressment of US citizens into the Royal Navy wasn't two of the reasons for the war... The war was as much a try by Britain to reverse the revolution as it was America trying to set boundaries to the rest of the world it was also a bit of impetuous... The war had the effect of setting the boundaries of the US and Canada and it laid the ground for James Monroe to issue his famous doctrine later...
So why did the schooner not get bigger and become a standard For ocean crossing ships? Is there something in its design that limits its size to a smaller vessel?
Wood! The Thomas James, out of Massachusetts! What's a 7 Mass Schooner that bowed and split under its own weight! After that they started using steel to build the 7 Mass schooner!
YES Schooner refers to the master set up. The narrator is confusing Gaff rigged ( type of sail), as the master set up. A single mast gaff is a sloop. a double mast where the main is slightly larger then the other forward mast is s Schooner. A large front mast and small rear mast is a Ketch. There are more combinations. Also Schooner refers to the cut of the haul. Schooner are full kiln but are made for speed. As for length. Where there seem to be a maximum length for wooden ships. Though I've heard of over 150 foot. Which is ok for shipping goods Its nothing to the freighters today. Also, the longer it is the worst it is in bad seas. When it comes to wood. 150 foot isn't bad. But 800 foot would not work. It would need very thick sides. Not to be confused with too small. Ideally you want over 40 foot plus for blue water (ocean crossing) But people have done it in 20s. It can be done with a 8 foot boat. But you would be crazy to sail across the Atlantic in one. No less the Pacific.
Discussing the schooner as if it were a single type of vessel is nonsense. Some were swift, some were capacious but slow. Some were weatherly, some could scarcely make ground to windward. Schooner rig was seen as an economical alternative to square-rig, but not faster.
John H Schooner: two masted, rear mast taller than the other. Foresails may be similar to those of a cutter, which is a single-masted vessel with 2 foresails.
I guarantee this is better than anything you’ll find on TV today
You are 100 percent correct. They don’t make them like they used to. Thank god for TH-cam. And high quality history content creators like Drachinifel and Mark Felton
I totally agree ... and my feel is that 'TV' should be used only and in very low doses as background noise these days 😗
better than spongebob ??
I would like to have my last adventure to be on the Bowdoin. My friend and are getting old. Our children and grand children are in their 40s and 50s. We live on an Island in Maine. Our dear husbands have long since departed. The harbor we live in is called Southwest Harbor. Most of our lives we have watched those beautiful boats glide by which still deliver cargo here and there up and down the coast of Maine.
We can but dream. Lovely video. Thank you so much.
I was a Schooner Crew on the Ernestina-Morressey with Captain Dan Moreland on the 1987 Great Lakes Tour.
The Ernestina-Moressey, then Moressey with Captain Bob Bartlett was sheathed in Greenheart wood to withstand the Arctic Explorations in the 1940s.
Built intricate models of Bluenose II, the America
and Golden Hind...so fell in love with this indescri-
bable video! Many thanks!! 👏👏🤗🤗🌹🌹❤❤
Good film on some of the important roles schooners played in American history.
ver funny Bagsy really this was great - history and present
Romantic stuff! And clever info about Schooners!
That was a fascinating video...
Macmillan's Bowdoin was not the first schooner designed to withstand being caught in the ice pack. Fridtjof Nansen's "Fram", designed by Norwegian shipwright Colin Archer, was similarly designed with a nearly V-shaped hull strengthened on the inside with thick beams and sheathed in greenheart. She was launched in 1892 and was of c. 400 tons, rigged as a three-masted schooner with square sails on the foremast and also carried a steam engine with a retractable propeller. As opposed to the Bowdoin's one year in the ice, the Fram was intentionally caught in the polar ice pack north of Siberia and stayed in the ice for three years. Nansen's original plan had been to let her drift with the ice straight over the North Pole, but she took a more southerly course. Fram was later used by Otto Sverdrup to discover the islands west of Ellesmere in the Canadian Arctic and she also carried Amundsen's party to Antarctica, where they won the race to the South Pole.
Nope, no, and no. Norway didn't know a snowball's ass from a New England schooner. Go home. Maine perfected these and no Euro-trash can say other.
It's an american documentary, do you really expect them to even just make a side note of a non-american achievement?
@@JadeDelphi 1) I didn't say "New England schooner"; a schooner is a schooner based on its rigging, not on its provenance. 2) I am home, where my ancestors have lived since the Stone Age. If you aren't Native American, you are the one who should go home. 3) Keep a civil tongue in your head, this isn't Facebook.
Kiitos Jarmo :)
Used to love shows like this. Damn you Discovery channel for changing things.
Bruh it's history channel
Guys I really enjoyed this amazing documentary many many thanks for uploading n wish you all a Merry Xmas n a happy new year Please keep posting
Schooners are beautiful boats, but to sail around the world, I would prefere a ketchrig.
Because the schooner's mainsail is too big and too far back on the boat, now, if you have a constant tradewind from the stearn, you will have to take the mainsail down, to prevent the boat from jibing. On a ketch, you can take the small mizzen down, and that leaves you with a big mainsail way forward on the deck, which is pulling the boat. Much better.
Another great schooner, the Grand Turk, was also built by the French family, my ancestors, in Columbia Falls, Maine.
You should be proud Jade!
Cool!!! I'm from Maine as well and I'm (hopefully) headed to see on a schooner soon :)
Where is the effort on the minesweeper that changed the world?
One important use of slaked lime was in the outdoor toilets of the period. It kept odors from overwhelming toilet users and helped control flies.
In talking about the Thomas W Lawson wrecking and showed a picture of the Peter Ardale wrecked near the mouth of the Columbia River on the Oregon coast.
You forgot the most famous schooner. The America, that sailed to England and entered a race for the 100 Guinea Cup, won it and returned home with what was to become the "Americas Cup".
Webb Trekker: There would have been more famous ones I expect from the War of 1812 and there was even a schooner passing messages at the Battle of Trafalgar AND I think it took the news of the Victory and Nelsons death back to England Which to a Brit is more important than a Cup
Beautiful video
Yarmouth, Nova Scotia built some of the finest schooners that sailed. No mention of that famous ship the "Bluenose" , appearing to this day on the Canadian dime.
kwambam1 or the T. K. Bentley from advocate N.S one of the largest tern schooners
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@@stuarttren3701 My family are from Spencer's Island and Advocate.
Nope we just built the best one of the one's we built was the Bluenose.
I think it was the yanks who were the pirates/rebels or in todays words terrorists.
Great documentation i Love it
OUTSTANDING JOB!! To; Mr. Renny Stackpole, It is great to see you still alive and healthy. I should have known that after teaching would come curatorship. ALL-A-TAUT-O aboard "CAPELLA" sdh in CT
The name schooner "Bowden" was launched in 1921, Hodgdon Brothers Shipyard, East Boothbay, Maine, built with a v-shaped hull to withstand the ice, following the wish of Mr. Donald B. MacMillan. The first ship to follow this principle but was the norwegian 3-masted schooner "Fram" (="ahead") of the Polar scientist Mr. Friedtjof Nansen. The order to build it, was given then to Mr. Colin Archer (remember the name?). The "Fram" was built in 1892 and was the first ship to follow the circular drift of the arctic ice. It is a museum ship in the harbour of the Norwegian capital Oslo now. Schooners are still used commercially in Indonesia as far as I know. Perhaps the earth is too flat in the USA to recognize the efforts of other countries and people from time to time?😉
I watched the movie Captains Courageous with Spencer Tracy. I was interested in the livelihood of these brave sailors and how they lived.
Now I want to ride one feel what they felt and share even on a small scale what it was like.
Excellent stuff bro
Great documentary well done thanks.
I love this ! 💖
My eye swept over the screen, and I got excited. Then I noticed the video clip was not about Oklahoma football.
If you said schooner in a Australian pub , you would get a cold beer.
A "schooner" has a main mast is taller than the fore mast or masts, some photos of single mast boats they are not schooners they are "sloops". The reason they were so popular by the US and Canada was that there pro-dominant wind is a land sea or sea land breeze and the schooner was best suited for reaching across the wind therefore the ideal ship for their waters and trade routes. Where as the rest of the world sailed the trade winds that blow the ships along therefore suiting the square rigged ships they managed to completely miss this fact out. Great footage of classic sailing boats if you don't mind the story telling of the narrator giving a very one sided account. I was hoping to see some footage of the Grand Banks Schooner sailing there is some great footage out there I realise its Canadian but it is more interesting.
As a newbie to sailing, and speaker of EASL, I thank you for helping me finally understand the meaning of "reaching", the operative word being "across" the predominant wind direction. just race, no tacking, clever.
Partially correct what makes a schooner unique is they can sail 30° to 40° into the wind. A square rig can only sail 60° into the wind at best. Schooners are also faster due to there more shallow draft and narrower width.
Finally !! somebody explaining why square rigs (which seem genuinely impractical) anyway were used over centuries! Thank you!
The advantages of schooner rigs are obvious. What needs explanation is why they did not replace notoriously clumsy and labour-intensive square rigs much earlier. Nobody ever mentions this.
Right, how can this be about schooners and never define what a schooner is, a fore and aft rigged ship with the mainmast being the aftermost mast, carrying the largest sail. It would also have been interesting to have a little more practical comparison of the support and running rigging of fore and aft rigged ships compared to square rigged ships. Poetry and folklore wouldn't have been the point to people spending their money to build a working boat.
Very good, and nice pice of history.
A great tale of schooners on the US east coast, too bad the schooners in the rest of the world got skipped!
Doug Mcdonell like the Bluenose and a slew of other great schooners from Nova Scotia
Man i hope this small sail cargo movement growing today keeps going. The environmental benefit of wooden sailing cargo is worth it i.m.o. Screw giant tankers as a species we need to prioritize and subsidise greener more substanable methods.
Very enjoyable and educational.
and I hear nothing about Lake Superior schooners! Once metal ships came around, the schooner had her masts cut down and serve as lowly barges which were towed. :) had to get my bit in about the U.P. early sailing vessels :)
Sailing ships are so beautiful.
The title of this should be, Great Ships Schooners of the United States. I love the United States however in their love of country Americans tend to overlook other nations that are great as well. In every way the Bluenose, which was a working ship, sliced through water best. It was fastest even when it was an old ship at the end of its career. Simply put American money could not take away the reputation of the craftsmen who built the Bluenose in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia.
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This was made for American TV consumption, not for TH-cam.
@Luffaman You are correct that there is nothing wrong with this. It does however promote the stereotype that Americans don't know or care about anything beyond their own borders. This show provides a very incomplete picture.
@@NorthernFirehawk There is a history of American schooners in the US and there is also a related history of American schooners in Canada. I think you can learn something of the US heritage here. Why dont you put together a matching film of the Canadian heritage. I would love to hear about the ships Canadians built that led to the Bluenose.
@@ONECOUNT They are suited to the east coast of America and Canada as the prevailing wind is a reach . Unfortunately not popular in the UK as they were not ideally suited to going to windward . We favoured a narrow cutter type. Not such a good type overall in my view.
That was really good.
Super interesting
My uncle's 4 masted schooner, the C.S. Holmes lasted until WWII. Photographs of 4 masted schooners are likely this one.
There were Brigs and Brigantines, Barks and Barkantines, ships and sloops and schooners with two masts, and three, sometimes four, five and even six. Large or small, freshly painted or faded and frayed it made no difference for each seemed destined to leave its' nameplate on the sands of Hatteras. Oak and cedar, mahogany and teak wood with hand hewn pegs, iron spikes, bolts and rivets...
Lovely words
Rolf Krake, a Scottish-built ironclad turret ship serving in the Danish navy and seeing action in the 1864 Second War of Schleswig, was a schooner-rigged vessel which allowed it to be propelled by sail as well as its steam-powered single-screw propeller.
100 years ago the Bluenose was built in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. You're welcome.
Fantástico...Espetaculo!!!
Bravo Zulu, Great job.
I am corrected.
The USS CONSTITUTION is the oldest sailing ship still afloat.
And it was built in 1797.
BTW its nickname OLD IRONSIDE was because the Brits cannon balls bounce off it like iron in the war of 1812.
The brits called her ironside. And she scared the Limeys.
Reason the canbon balks bounced off was due to her haul design and she was made of American Oak. Which is superior in strength to the wood the British had. ( why they didn't use Canada oak is beyond me.)
To start with it is nonsense Constitution never fought a ship it wasn't 50% bigger than and ones that carried 18lb guns vs Consitution's 24 lb guns. THe President built to the same design as the Constitution and generally consider a better ship was badly shashed up by the 24lb guns of HMS Emdymion
The most beautiful schooner ever built was the Bluenose, from Lunenburg Nova Scotia.
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Amen
Fishing schooner maybe ... but may one propose the William Fife designed "Susanna" as the most beautiful?
About 30 minutes in, he pronounces kiln,
as "kill." FINALLY! Someone gets it correct!
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"A tall ship and a Star to sail her by"
The most spiritual ship in the recorded human history so far ! Made to do many different jobs as possible #
I love schooners, and I agree in a historical way, but seen a racing cat lately? Holy flying boat....!
I'm pretty sure that the first schooner, probably to be found soon, was flash-frozen north of Maine, USA in the huge wave caused by the impact of the comets that ended the last Ice Age and it was crewed by Atlanteans some 12 to 15 thousand years ago. I'm good with that even if some ancient aliens were part of the crew. Gracias por tu video. RT sends, Colonia Centro Histórico, Puebla, México.
Great ships
The sea and the sailing ships are in my blood and I enjoy anything about them. In fact my name is the original word for the "sails" of a ship.
I come from a long line of riffraff myself.
They’re trying to say it can point better! Going into the wind more. 🖖🏼😏🇺🇸💨
When I was a kid, I used to cut the grass at Oliver Hazard Perry's birthplace. A beautiful old house, then owned by a stockbroker.
I love watching docs about the history of sailing ships. Fucking beautiful they are.
I hate that the docs are actually mostly about war. Worse yet, that men still argue about whose beloved tax farm killed more people.
Why is it, that people watch an American Documentary, originally from an American TV channel...then Bitch about it being more focused on American portions of that history ? That's the same as if I watched an Italian documentary on Sports Cars and then complaining that they focus more on Ferrari or Lamborghini, instead of Aston Martin, etc ! WTF ? Simply Moronic.
Romantic? Aura?
There is no sailing ship more beautiful than a schooner. This may be debatable, but when you add in how well she handles into the wind compared to a square-sailer, and how beautiful she is compared to modern stuff, the schooner is, by far, the best of the sailing ships ever created.
Now, if these modern idiots could get this idea across, more people would be on the water. Fuck, come to think of it, let's NOT tell the high-tech about these wooden wonders, and keep sailing the way we should. Nature and science meet at navigation, and agree at beauty.
But it wasn't the schooner that started the American revolution, it was a little mailing vessel, the Hannah. It was not a Washington commission, but a private vessel. Hannah led the chase by running from British customs schooner *Gaspee* , and due to the little Ketch's non-existent draft, the Gaspee was caught at what's now known as Gaspee Point. She was promptly and duly looted, plundered, and burned to the waterline, with no survivors. Piracy, or nation-forming? I can bus-ride there in an hour and a half or bike ride (Schwinn, not Harley) in 45 minutes. Welcome to United States Zero. King, bring it on.
Now: "What have we done?" Maybe we should give it all back to the UK?
I really enjoy these marine documentaries, they are very educational, thanks . Only I am suspicious of the claim you guys got your independence.
Independence? by 2030 you will own nothing, be “chipped” like cattle, and eating bugs…
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These were very popular with The Royal Navy in the Med.
the Naratator is confusing Schooner with Gaff rig.
These sails are Gaff rigged.
Schooner refers to the way the masts are set. And the type of haul for many.
As for where it comes from?
Where their where gaff riggs in the time of the Roman Empire. So where it comes from is a long time ago and unknown.
Also a Gaff is close to a Junk rig.
One can see how they are alike.
I would on a guess say at least 1000 BC and from the Mideast.
It wasn't clear. Though there were clues that the narrator doesn't know his rigging until the British ship with a rear Gaff sail. He called it a Schooner sail.
As always: everybody explains the advantages of schooner rigs as compared to square rigs. But nobody ever explains why square rigs weren't replaced much earlier by schooner rigs.
Trade routes where used with the wind as it was faster to get goods across the planet 🌍
Several reasons: materials strong enough to make it reliable were rare prior to the era in which schooners were common, as rigging and sails would tear or break too often, and the trade winds on the ocean meant that so long as you needn't worry about schedule, you could just change latitude until you found favorable wind, and tacking and wearing were not so disastrous. But Lord only knows how much more work they are to sail and run and how many extra lines there are. With the development of the Gaff Rig, as the most common Schooner Rig is called, even now it remains competitive against the Bermuda Rig in its various incarnations, which is the other common one. The two dominate modern pleasure craft, even those too small to be Schooners.
I'm more of a Spooner.
Hold Fast ! 👊👊
the term 'ship' is wildly misused. It properly refers to a square rigged sailing vessel of three masts and this design was most common in larger vessels. A schooner is a vessel with fore and aft sails with two or more masts with the foremast (the one in front) being shorter than those aft of it. A vessel with a square rig on the foremast and fore and aft sails on the mast (s) behind is a brigantine, a vessel with fore and aft sails and one mast is a sloop. Many think that sq rigged vessels can only sail with the wind behind (downwind) this is simply not true and they could make good speed with a beam wind and mayb even a little forward of that. Fore and aft rigged vessels such as schooners can sail much closer to the wind and can do what no sq rig can do, turn into the wind when they come about (reverse direction), this is called coming into irons and quickly reduces the forward motion of the ship that makes steering impossible, this problem can box in a ship on a lee shore and explains many ship wrecks. generally a schooner can sail with a smaller crew than a ship of the same general size.
The whole documentary is misleading. Schooner is only a sort of rigging a medium-sized sailing ship. It is not a particular or even worse, it is NOT an American vessel. Schooners were and still are found throghout the world, all of them with the higher mast aft. Heavy seagoing ships were squareriggers.
Wrong. Designed in America, as is the use of white oak, you cretinous wanker. Go back to Europe.
In Dutch the name is schoener, this sounds exact as the English schooner. While the o in the Dutch Schoner sounds like the oa in boat. (means cleaner and in old Dutch more beautiful )
So I do not think schooner has something to do with it gorgeous looks. The schooner is an American development, so I think you guys invented the name schooner and we Dutch just copied that and wrote it down like it sounded your "oo" is written in Dutch as "oe" so schoener. The schooner sailplan became very populair in The Netherlands around 1900. But in a totally different hull form. We call them platbodems (flat bottoms) . Most have swords (most times one on each side) but not all flatbottoms are schooners.
I very much enjoyed this film but I have one question....Why are the wheels out in the open? What not have the wheels in a wheel house/ pilot house??? I would not want to stand there out in the open in the rain, blazing sun and rough winds trying to steer the ship.
Mostly because you had to steer the ship with the wind 🌬 and you needed visual and sensitive inputs to achieve that !
The OLDEST sailing ship in the US is the
USS Constitution. Built around 1812. Which BTW is still in service. And perhaps the oldest war ship still in service.
Now the Brits have s rival of the USS Constitution. It's older.
HOWEVER its not in service. And unless something happen to OLD IRONSIDE, USS Constitution's nickname, even if the Limey is put back into service. The USS Constitution has served more years in service.
On a side note. The US Coast Guard also has a sailing ship. But its haul is made of steal. Made around WWII. Dont get me wrong. The Coasty ship is pretty as well.
I understand that Coast Guard officer serve a short time on their sailing ship.
I also understand it on one of the great lakes. But has served on the oceans at times.
What longevity of old sea craft technology. Reminds me of certain aircraft that are also continuously being built brand new 60 - 80 years later. Meanwhile look at the vulnerability of automotive technology to demand for advancement for commercial purposes, but has durability been lost.
well as a marine technician I can tell you that new boats are sometimes well but as new and improved resins and infusion had made good progress (fiberglass boats) but as for the cars they have too much unusefull things and electronics that in no time will make those boats too expensive to maintain,
@@teknotikpointbiz the plan is to make things obsolete in a few years. Just past the final payment. I am also a boat builder. Over 40 years. Infusion is no better. Big waste of resin. Compensates for a lack of skilled laminators. I can achieve better resin to glass ratio with a bucket and roller. Or a wet out gun. Traditional vacuum bag is a very good method to bond core material. But F.G could last forever. Depends on an owner wishing to rehab. Or no. Skilled men are becoming a rare commodity.
@@boatguy64 Long live the skilled craftsman!
Anyone know anything about a private yacht named intrepid from ~ 1920 my dad first job ~19yo as radio operator ?
7:32, that is a 90's tie if I have ever seen one!
No memtion of the Blue Nose. Pride of Canada and immortalized on the Canadian dime.
Fastest schooner ever built it beat every American schooner in every race and retired undefeated.
Of course the Americans don't mention this.
Her wishes to be spooned came about, and suddenly found that she had been schooned!
Schoon is Flemish, means beautiful. In the Netherlands they use the word mooi. Ooooo not oe. OO like in oh.
We just love to argue!
How could they leave out the great and last unlimited international yacht race from US to England. The race was won by the magnificent three masted schooner Atlantic. It crossed the Atlantic in 10 days, a record that stood for nearly a century.
In 23.08.1851. schooner AMERICA won cup 100 pound sterling later-AMERICA CAP.
Back then when Benjamin Franklin sail to England to talk to the king about the taxation of whiskey it would take at least 2 months prior to get from Boston to England Shores.
Is he sure about the name 'Nancy'? The Brits had 3 ships named Nancy, all built to late for this war. There was an HMS Nancy that was scuttled by it's crew in a river off Lake Huron in Ontario so the Americans who were breathing down their necks couldn't capture her. This was the War of 1812 though.
Schooners are originali grom Croatia
And it is calld škuna
Schooners were built by almost all seafaring nations. If you want to see your favorite nation's schooner history, you are free to film, edit and post it. Otherwise, be silent and enjoy these beautiful ships.
No Schooner! Is greater than a Yankee Schooner! Regardless of what nation designed them the Americans perfected them.
@@robertschooner1812 Yankee Clipper
around aproximately 6:50 that looks fun
If the engineers at TH-cam had any b@llz they’d let us comment on the ads.
a donkey engine refers to the motion the connecting rod made being similar to a mules kicking leg
How do they keep the ice from melting while traveling across the world?
Believe it or not they devised a method of storing it in crates with hay. It was devised just outside of Boston where there are many freshwater ponds. One is even called "Fresh Pond". Ice from these ponds made it around the world.
@@myradioon thank you it took me a few seconds to remember what that video was about.
Unbelievable that you could do an entire show on schooners without mentioning the Bluenose. I was going to subscribe until I watched this 👎🏻
This film focused on schooners that were built & used in America, and the importance they played in some of the country's history. The schooner Bluenose was & still is a Canadian vessel, built for the purpose of fishing & racing. The original was wrecked on a reef, but replicas have since replaced it. I had the pleasure of boarding her & walking the deck of this handsome vessel when visiting Halifax, Nova Scotia, in the 1980s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluenose
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The Cuahutemoc from Mexico - what kind of sailing vessel is that designated as? A Schooner perhaps as well??
That is an excellent question! I'm not sure I would have to go through my family ship logs to find that question. But I'll get back to you.
Perhaps this video should be called "background music drowning out narrator."
And now Francois Gabart is about to finish a round the world solo sailing record in the trimaran Macif in about 44 days! No cargo on board of cause.
Schoon means clean in Dutch. Flatbottom means less barnicles..
Thanks :O)
If it came from “schöner” then it means nicer or pretty then the “c” is pronounced as in “shoe” or “shore” German and Dutch don’t have a hard C sound. They use K
From which language is this?
@@eddie1078 German, the "ö" in the german word "schöner" (meaning "more beautiful") sounds like the "u" in the english word "murder" or the "e" in the word "herd" (as in "cowherd") or the "i" in the english word "bird" or the "o" in "word".
Hahahaha funny
I would love to sail aboard one of these, not as a crewman but as a passenger! I would mush rather be on one of these than a modern cruse ship that are just overpriced and overrated floating hotels and resorts!
Should you ever get the chance to travel to Turkey(country) you can sail aboard one of their sailing ships called a „Gulet“. You can even rent one and sail it yourself or hire a captain and crew. Beautiful boats to be sure. I was stationed in Turkey from 1991-1993 while in the USAF. I did a lot of exploring on my days off work. Russian boar hunting, deep sea fishing, snow skiing, hiking and camping. I had gotten a Turkish drivers license and drove to many sites not available to most visitors. Small coastal villages and towns were some of the best treasures. Cheers
Beautiful images, but cr@p narration ... heads almost directly into the wind? not possible, maybe 45 degrees off the wind at best ... and a lateen or sloop rigged vessel can do the same.
3'' planks, though!
You know what the beauty of those ice carrying schooners was? They were unsinkable!! Think about it, ice is lighter than water. If a ice ship loaded with an ice cargo completely flooded its holds, it would actually sit HIGHER on the water, because all the ice in the hold would be pressing its way up against the ceiling of the hold trying to reach the surface!!
yeah because British intrusion into the West now know as Great Lakes region and British impressment of US citizens into the Royal Navy wasn't two of the reasons for the war... The war was as much a try by Britain to reverse the revolution as it was America trying to set boundaries to the rest of the world it was also a bit of impetuous... The war had the effect of setting the boundaries of the US and Canada and it laid the ground for James Monroe to issue his famous doctrine later...
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Too bad that there was no mention of the lumber schooners of the western coasts.
So why did the schooner not get bigger and become a standard For ocean crossing ships? Is there something in its design that limits its size to a smaller vessel?
Wood! The Thomas James, out of Massachusetts! What's a 7 Mass Schooner that bowed and split under its own weight! After that they started using steel to build the 7 Mass schooner!
YES
Schooner refers to the master set up.
The narrator is confusing Gaff rigged ( type of sail), as the master set up.
A single mast gaff is a sloop.
a double mast where the main is slightly larger then the other forward mast is s Schooner.
A large front mast and small rear mast is a Ketch.
There are more combinations.
Also Schooner refers to the cut of the haul.
Schooner are full kiln but are made for speed.
As for length. Where there seem to be a maximum length for wooden ships.
Though I've heard of over 150 foot. Which is ok for shipping goods
Its nothing to the freighters today.
Also, the longer it is the worst it is in bad seas. When it comes to wood.
150 foot isn't bad. But 800 foot would not work. It would need very thick sides.
Not to be confused with too small.
Ideally you want over 40 foot plus for blue water (ocean crossing)
But people have done it in 20s.
It can be done with a 8 foot boat. But you would be crazy to sail across the Atlantic in one. No less the Pacific.
Discussing the schooner as if it were a single type of vessel is nonsense. Some were swift, some were capacious but slow. Some were weatherly, some could scarcely make ground to windward. Schooner rig was seen as an economical alternative to square-rig, but not faster.
Schooner tuna, the tuna with a heart.
Was that on Gung Ho ??? What movie was it ???
Lol
Most of the ships in this video appear as a "Cutter" , but yet all are called "Schooners" . What is the difference ?
John H Schooner: two masted, rear mast taller than the other. Foresails may be similar to those of a cutter, which is a single-masted vessel with 2 foresails.
Later, more masts were added