I don’t know what you’re talking about. Giraffe as Interesting has always been an integral part of the show and is already established in the lore as a recurring character
I'm here for a different debate, either way it's established that right now giraffe as interesting is a full time real character. So what's his pay? Is the wage hourly or by commission, is it full time or part time. I NEED THE ANSWERS PEOPLE
Same. Actually everyone was confused why I'm not going middle in the first move, so THEY moved in the middle, so most of the time game ended with a tie. When I was second, the output of the game was more random since I didn't figure out the sure tie strategy for some reason.
There's a bit more to it then starting either in the middle or a corner. Start from the side to stump someone who thinks they got the basics figured out. Mathematically, the odds of winning are smaller but psychologically this works better against more experienced players. This line of play is covered in the wiki page but not the one way you could end up in a winning "fork" position when you do not go first. It requires your opponent to make a mistake that only veteran players tend to make. Tic-tac-toe is figured out for sure, just not quite in the way most people say it is, which goes for much else in life too. Have fun working it out!
That's why where I'm from, we always played tic-tac-toe in an "infinite" board (like a whole page), where you have to collect five marks in one line. That way the game is much more interesting, with way more possible outcomes.
One of the first things I ever coded (that wasn't a part of my course on how to code) was a bot that plays Tic Tac Toe against you and will always win or end in a draw if you're smart enough to counter it. It took a couple days to code it all, but I was really happy with the result considering that I wasn't following anyone else's instructions and figuring it out all on my own. Coding that bot has permanently burned Tic Tac Toe gameplay strategy into my brain.
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
Back in 1980, a Computer Science class at Stanford had us write programs in 4 different languages, including APL, a dense, math oriented language from IBM. I wrote a one line APL program to play tic-tac-toe that always won or tied. The program mirrored and rotated the grid to match patterns in 3x3 matrices that mapped out all possible moves, just as described in this video.
Actually, ultimate tic tac toe is a very nice variant, which is basically a game of tic tac toe in every field of a game of tic tac toe. It makes the game all of a sudden VERY interesting.
Now imagine the situation: 1. You want to play tic tac toe 2. Your friend is joining you 3. Both of you watch this Would you: A. Play something else B. Watch Wendover instead and start talking about the logistic of toys
I remember discovering this, and destroying my classmates for weeks until they got suspicious of why I always never lost if I played a corner (I used to occasionally place my move somewhere else to mislead them).
basically, if you go first, go in a corner, and there are 2 continuations: -if they move on ANY edge, play in the center -otherwise, try playing in the opposite corner, otherwise just play in a random corner. And then continue by playing "naively": win if you can, avoid losing. Also, a game like chess could theoretically be solved, but it would require a lot of work. Antichess was only weakly solved (White has a mate in
I figured out the tik tak toe 'never lose' strategy independently 20 years ago. Also you can have a never lose scenario from starting at the middle point. And if you play against an opponent who knows these strategies and always plays first, you can draw all the games no matter which moves he takes. This is probably why there is no tik tak toe championships anywhere. All games will lead to a tie😂
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few few details were a bit of, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
"Do you want to totally ruin a fun little game from your childhood?" Monopoly did that when I realized it was a game AND the current state of the global economy. Don't get me started about the card game called "War".
When I was about fifteen, I built a Tic Tac Toe game in Python and Pygame. After making a two-player mode, I set about writing a computer to play against. I coded the computer to play, and then had my brother play against it. I analyzed every game and then tweaked the algorithm that selected the computer's move. Eventually I figured out these principles, and I had programmed a Tic Tac Toe-playing computer that was unbeatable. Consequently I also became unbeatable at Tic Tac Toe.
There's a simple game I sometimes use to annoy people. You start with three piles of matches: with 3, 5, and 7 matches. Players can take as many matches as they want per turn from any pile, but only from one pile per turn. The objective of the game is to make the other player take the last match. If you know the winning combinations, you can always force a win whenever you go first (and whenever the opponent goes first but makes a mistake along the way). It doesn't even matter which pile you take from first; as long as you take only one match from any pile you can always force a win.
Back in the 50's there was a computer at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago that played TTT and never lost. I'm not sure but I think it's still there and, if it is, it's the size of a closet!
I knew this. Regardless, your content I hold to a high standard because your channels are many ppl fav. This felt a bit like a copout . I do appreciate the video though!
My variant on the game that I want to share with the world is 3 handed Tic Tac Toe. Three symbols: 0, X ,and Y, and on a 4x4 (rather than 3x3) grid, but you still aim to be the first to get your symbol in a line of just three. I tried it out and it works quite well. You don't always need to block off an opponent's line, you can leave your other opponent faced with the immediate need to do that, and branch off on your own. Maybe it models international conflicts.
Same thing if you go centre first, if they go middle of any side you have won, if they go corner its a drawer. Worked that out when I was 10 or so. Also, Noughts always go first in Noughts and Crosses.
3:32 "Mathematicians, who apparently have nothing better to do"
As a math major, this is both hurtful and true.
As an engineer major, yeah makes sense
I believe game theory is worth that insult
cs major can relate
@@JohnSmith-kj2od game theory deserves every insult.
@@SpecterNeverSpectator.. sounds like I'm missing something here
Why exactly is game theory hated
"How do I know all this? Well I read the tic tac toe wikipedia page"
And teachers say it's the most inaccurate source on the internet
I'm pretty sure he paid the guy from Wendover to read the Wikipedia page.
We all belong to youtube university which is better
Actually I found the strat when I was a kid.
Hey it's you again
My resume: Wikipedia scholar, TH-cam university graduate, Reddit detective, Google maps geographer.
I do like that Giraffe of Interesting is becoming a real full time character.
They could bring back corollas tho
Giraffe as interesting
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Giraffe as Interesting has always been an integral part of the show and is already established in the lore as a recurring character
what are you on about. he’s always been here. as has calf as interesting
I'm here for a different debate, either way it's established that right now giraffe as interesting is a full time real character. So what's his pay? Is the wage hourly or by commission, is it full time or part time. I NEED THE ANSWERS PEOPLE
I was half expecting him to say "Step 1: Don't lose"
Exactly thats expected but he needs to make the video interesting so yeah
Half
Chess in a nutshell
That's a half as interesting fact, thank you!
Half as expecting
Figured this out as a kid and became a tic tac toe god
Yes I peaked in elementary school
same, but i used to play middle
The trick is to not spam it or they'll eventually go first
Same I was the best in my skl
@@FalseRadiation if they go first then you just have to go middle and then go inbetween to force a tie
Same. Actually everyone was confused why I'm not going middle in the first move, so THEY moved in the middle, so most of the time game ended with a tie.
When I was second, the output of the game was more random since I didn't figure out the sure tie strategy for some reason.
I remember discovering some of these on my own as a kid and feeling like I’m some kind of genius or something
Same, I found out about most of this by myself as a kid
I was pooping one day and was board so I decided to look at every possible tik tax toe outcome
@@tavasp Tik tax toe sounds like something on the IRS website for kids
@@pearspeedruns lol
Well in my mind youre still a genius
Both giraffe as interesting and calf as interesting in one episode
What's this , a crossover episode?
well it was a long time coming. both are long running returning characters. should have predicted it really
@@eelsemaj99 Exactly, I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that these two characters are in this video
BoJack referense, nice
But it was the medium-necked Giraffe. Wasn't that the extinct one?
@@JasperNLxD he was only acting at being extinct
once me and my friends figured this out in middle school, nobody ever won a single game of tic-tac-toe ever again.
Oof the secret was out and everyone lived a disappointing life until they died
That why I never told anyone in primary skl
Then place it in middle, it's another solution
Took you middle school to figure that?
There's a bit more to it then starting either in the middle or a corner. Start from the side to stump someone who thinks they got the basics figured out. Mathematically, the odds of winning are smaller but psychologically this works better against more experienced players. This line of play is covered in the wiki page but not the one way you could end up in a winning "fork" position when you do not go first. It requires your opponent to make a mistake that only veteran players tend to make. Tic-tac-toe is figured out for sure, just not quite in the way most people say it is, which goes for much else in life too. Have fun working it out!
That's why where I'm from, we always played tic-tac-toe in an "infinite" board (like a whole page), where you have to collect five marks in one line. That way the game is much more interesting, with way more possible outcomes.
And math notebooks in school were perfect for it.
I think you would like Go. It’s basically what you just described.
@@eliturner7963 Maybe, I'll try....
@@noamz9527 Exactly, the magic is in the simplicity!
Tic tac toe isn't fun on its own but it makes a good building block for better versions of it
This video just showed me how to never lose at Tic Tac Toe
@@LNB627 LUMBAGO
What a coincidence! Me too!
This comment told me that @LlL Odinson saw how to never lose at tic-tac-toe.
@@LNB627 I think so too
@@TracyNorrell This comment told that @Tracy Norrel saw how @LIL Odinson saw how to never lose at tic-tac-toe.
I never lost at Tic Tac Toe, and now everyone knows my secrets. Thanks HAI.
Stop being boring and learn side theory then
Up next: How to win at Newark Airport using: Wikipedia, transportation logistics, and red clay bricks.
You can't win at Newark, all you can do is suffer
No no no that will be on the totally unrelated TH-cam channel Wendover productions because it's planes
@@noobsquad2652 But... bricks
you never win if you end up at Newark
🤣
2:12
"Ultra weak, which coincidentally happens to be the same kind of jokes we have in these videos"
Self burn those are rare
Not on this channel they're not!
@@TOSkwar22 literally exactly what I was going to say.
you must be new here
@@quw1556 oh no I was with this guy since Wendover was his only Channel oh, I just thought of mentioning his humor style now
@@cplhotpockets wtf are you talking about, HAI and the guy from Wendover are totally different people
One of the first things I ever coded (that wasn't a part of my course on how to code) was a bot that plays Tic Tac Toe against you and will always win or end in a draw if you're smart enough to counter it. It took a couple days to code it all, but I was really happy with the result considering that I wasn't following anyone else's instructions and figuring it out all on my own. Coding that bot has permanently burned Tic Tac Toe gameplay strategy into my brain.
That's pretty cool
I’m boutta win every argument ever with this knowledge
You: *starts argument*
Person 2: no, you're wrong
You: *moves to the left*
Not at all
5:31 The girl in red goes through a whole bunch of emotions in a few seconds! 😂
There's Niagara Falls down there
Glad to see the return of Girraffe as Interesting. By which isn't a big deal or anything, he's always been your mascot after all
lovely to see the return of calf as interesting too. nice to see them finally in an episode together
2 uploads in 2 days? What universe is this?
This is one of the reasons why we never play 3x3, we always play 4x4 and 5x5 or even higer if we feel like it
Amazons is a better game. Numberphile has a good vid about Elwin Berlekamp and this game.
Do not play 4x4, it's a guaranteed win for the first player, it's not better, same for higher level tictactoe
2x2 tic tac toe needs to be invented
@@bruce4139 first player will always win no matter what position
@@hurktang you must be trolling
How to never lose at Tic Tac Toe:
*Step 1: Don’t play it*
Which you would already know if you'd watched The classic 1983 movie wargames.
*Step 2: Done*
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
What detail was off?
🗣
@@boiimcfacto2364 You are new here, aren't you?
@@61rampy65 GODDAMIT how could I forget 😂 Ngl feeling like a disgrace to the HAI fandom 😭😂
@@boiimcfacto2364 Nah, you're good. We all make mistakes.
i looked at the title of this video, my eyes widened and i immediately clicked on it
"the only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"
Global Thermonuclear War is a strong solved game, as there is only one winning move.
My first thought as well haha
I first read the title as "How to Never Lose a Tic Tac"... Definitely got me curious lol
“and the calf wins in purple” it’s clearly blue but only purple when it’s out of focus
POV: I calculated every situation in tic tac toe in 9th grade
Fun fact: Tic tac toe is called "boter, kaas en eieren" in Dutch, which means "butter, cheese and eggs". I have no idea why.
This is the most Dutch thing ever.
Tasty breakfast,.
Back in 1980, a Computer Science class at Stanford had us write programs in 4 different languages, including APL, a dense, math oriented language from IBM. I wrote a one line APL program to play tic-tac-toe that always won or tied. The program mirrored and rotated the grid to match patterns in 3x3 matrices that mapped out all possible moves, just as described in this video.
Actually, ultimate tic tac toe is a very nice variant, which is basically a game of tic tac toe in every field of a game of tic tac toe.
It makes the game all of a sudden VERY interesting.
What if they tie
Bro I dont even need to watch the whole video to know that this is going to be a banger video
Sam's getting pretty good at this TH-cam thing, would be a shame if he uploaded to the wrong channel soon...
I don’t know what you mean. Sam only has one channel.
@@funnycat9962 yeah, theres sam and the dork at wendover productions
He already did it once, I got the notification. He just took down he video right away and put it on the correct channel.
@@tealmer3528 It’s a JOKE, we all know he did it, on pupose too after the first time.
He literally only did that once. Stop banging on about it.
Now imagine the situation:
1. You want to play tic tac toe
2. Your friend is joining you
3. Both of you watch this
Would you:
A. Play something else
B. Watch Wendover instead and start talking about the logistic of toys
i hate that guy from wendover
@@eelsemaj99 same
Giraffe as interesting is BACK! Wooo!
what are you on about?? he’s always been here
We may not know the technical jargon, but any self respecting adult figured all this out by the time they hit adulthood.
I remember discovering this, and destroying my classmates for weeks until they got suspicious of why I always never lost if I played a corner (I used to occasionally place my move somewhere else to mislead them).
When HAI ends up teaching you game theory in 5 mins
Alternate title: how to never have fun playing tic tac toe again
Fun is overrated
ikr, giraffe as interesting is my favourite mascot since I was a child!
I was playing google tic tac toe and got bored after a 20 win streak and this is the first thing i see when i open youtube.
basically, if you go first, go in a corner, and there are 2 continuations:
-if they move on ANY edge, play in the center
-otherwise, try playing in the opposite corner, otherwise just play in a random corner.
And then continue by playing "naively": win if you can, avoid losing.
Also, a game like chess could theoretically be solved, but it would require a lot of work. Antichess was only weakly solved (White has a mate in
I figured out the tik tak toe 'never lose' strategy independently 20 years ago.
Also you can have a never lose scenario from starting at the middle point. And if you play against an opponent who knows these strategies and always plays first, you can draw all the games no matter which moves he takes.
This is probably why there is no tik tak toe championships anywhere.
All games will lead to a tie😂
The Most Important answer. Now I am Undefeated
I actually thought this was gonna be another brick scenario but nope actual Tic-Tac-Toe strategy guide.
This video unironically helped me study for my upcoming AI exam which covers this specific topic. Half as Interesting just became fully interesting.
2077: How to never lose at chess
giraffe has interesting is genuinely a recurring character at this point
Thanks man, now I can always make a bet with my lil bro
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few few details were a bit of, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
Me: I have to study for the next weeks exam
Also me:watching vid about How to Never Lose at Tic Tac Toe
Next week ? I have an exam tommorow 😂😂
I have to study for five exams (writing them all within 14 days), and I'm watching this too. I think I'm screwed
Yeah I feel the pain.
When you figure out the three-corner strategy.
"Well I didn't read it, I paid a writer to read it for me because years earlier I read the Wikipedia page on Capitalism." 🤣
Glad to say myself and my friend figured this out in school while "studying"
How to win at tic tac toe?
"Move to the corner."
0:10 it looks like you want to talk about lego bricks.
"Universe has at least 1000 atoms." Seems legit.
Not surprised at this awesome crossover of giraffe as interesting and calf as interesting, just very pleased.
Minimax? damn i just learned that on Python
I figured this out one day when I was pooping using toiled paper
I remember doing this as a kid and feeling frustrated that the other kids sometimes were so dumb to not take the middle one multiple times in a row.
I thought everyone knew this and we all decided to end this game forever
Pls make a guide for Rock, paper, scisors XDDDDDDDDDD
have you seen an anime named "no game no life"? go see it if you haven't, you get your answer, and ya you're welcome.
@@harishrajnish7207 yes i have, but i need the half as interesting reboot XDDDDDDDDD
@@Charly_5V nice, actually I would also like to see that.
The major problem would be how Giraffe and Calf can demonstrate the hand shapes.
I actually discovered these myself when was I doing some practice/analysis on this game to defeat my friends
"Do you want to totally ruin a fun little game from your childhood?"
Monopoly did that when I realized it was a game AND the current state of the global economy.
Don't get me started about the card game called "War".
Never buy hotels on monopoly
It's amazing how subtly the film "Crash" was able to tell John Nash's story
Strange game. The only wining move is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess
Ah yes, very very basic queen's gambit.
I remember learning min max algorithm in class. This was a very interesting way to explain it . 👍
Finally a video i can appreciate and use in the real world
"chess is nothing more than a game of tic tac toe" there I said it, who can recognize the reference.
no game no life
@@davidothecheetoh6832 true man of culture, I respect you.
Thanks for this, Sam, now I have 10+ people mad at me for destroying them in tic tac toe
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@@gameenthusiast12 ruined it
Figured all of this out as a kid. Tic Tac Toe is very simple. Two competent people will tie every time.
this is one of the best transitions to the sponsor I have ever seen
When I was about fifteen, I built a Tic Tac Toe game in Python and Pygame. After making a two-player mode, I set about writing a computer to play against. I coded the computer to play, and then had my brother play against it. I analyzed every game and then tweaked the algorithm that selected the computer's move. Eventually I figured out these principles, and I had programmed a Tic Tac Toe-playing computer that was unbeatable. Consequently I also became unbeatable at Tic Tac Toe.
I figured this out playing google tic tac toe impossible and then using what the impossible bot did to me to the medium bot.
okay but i’m impressed that i figured this out as a child
There's a simple game I sometimes use to annoy people. You start with three piles of matches: with 3, 5, and 7 matches. Players can take as many matches as they want per turn from any pile, but only from one pile per turn. The objective of the game is to make the other player take the last match. If you know the winning combinations, you can always force a win whenever you go first (and whenever the opponent goes first but makes a mistake along the way). It doesn't even matter which pile you take from first; as long as you take only one match from any pile you can always force a win.
So from now on, all tic-tac-toe games will be ties.
Back in the 50's there was a computer at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago that played TTT and never lost. I'm not sure but I think it's still there and, if it is, it's the size of a closet!
The Explanation actually started within the First 30 Seconds. I was so surprised I restarted the video
I knew this. Regardless, your content I hold to a high standard because your channels are many ppl fav. This felt a bit like a copout . I do appreciate the video though!
1:16 it's also possible to go in the other nearby corner they block then you go in the middle and you get two diagonals for a win.
2:15 "which is also the types of jokes we use in these videos" XDDDDDD
"number of atoms in the universe: at least 1000"
All of my friends know this, and now 90% of my tic-tac-toe match ended with a draw.
I don’t like how much giraffe-as-interesting and calf-as-interesting have changed since their first appearance. #SaveTheAfs
This is why there is no "world championship of tictactoe"
My variant on the game that I want to share with the world is 3 handed Tic Tac Toe. Three symbols: 0, X ,and Y, and on a 4x4 (rather than 3x3) grid, but you still aim to be the first to get your symbol in a line of just three. I tried it out and it works quite well. You don't always need to block off an opponent's line, you can leave your other opponent faced with the immediate need to do that, and branch off on your own. Maybe it models international conflicts.
i now want to make all 19,683 possible board positions and find the outcomes for everything
He just secretly did a whole video on Game Theory while disguising it about Tic-Tac-Toe. Brilliant.
I thought everyone knew this. Just have the first turn.
✨Don’t play it✨
We got a Real comedian here
Same thing if you go centre first, if they go middle of any side you have won, if they go corner its a drawer.
Worked that out when I was 10 or so. Also, Noughts always go first in Noughts and Crosses.
The guy getting angry in the poker game was one of the funniest stock videos I’ve ever seen
I actually calculated that tic tac toe is always a draw when i was like 10. The game is extremely easy to hard calculate.
Petition to have a Giraffe as Interesting video
The TH-cam window was partial covered and I read "How to Never
Lose a Toe"
Idk why but I find this topic quite interesting
I find it half as interesting as other topics.
@@bartholomewdan COMEDY GENIUS
Well sad is, that in Czechia we play usualy on an "infinite" grid instead of 3x3...so this does not apply.
as a computer science student, i loved this video finally something i can relate to.