Miles in Transit USA 🇺🇸 Interview Chat (No.9)
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- After recording the 'Least Used Subway' video with me, Miles and I sat down and he answered all the questions I had about the New York Subway ...
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Hearing my favorite two train nerds having a spirited discussion is an absolute joy!
I agree. Normally, I don't care for "talking heads" videos, but this was well done and interesting!
Agreed, if they included Thom from Trains Are Awesome, it would be the perfect trifecta!
“the big three…London, New York, Paris.”
Tokyo would very much like a word…
As an American I would think Japan over France when thinking about trains anytime. Paris? 🤨
And so would Moscow
And so would Taipei.
To answer the question at 17:24 about car lengths:
The A division (numbered lines) run with 51 foot cars, with all lines running 10 car sets except for the 7 which runs 11 cars
The B division (lettered lines) is confusing. There are two types of car lengths: 60 foot cars (R143, R160, R179, R211) and 75 foot cars (R46 and R68). To form a full length train, you need eight 75 foot cars, or ten 60 foot cars. For example the A runs R46, R179 and R211’s. If you get an R46, you will be on an eight car train, but if you are on a R211, that is a ten car train. However, the platforms in Brooklyn on the J, Z, L, and M lines are shorter, and so those lines run eight car trains, but with 60 foot long cars, and 75 foot cars are not allowed on those lines.
There are a few more exceptions:
-Despite the C running on full length platforms, they have a fleet of mostly eight car 60 foot R179’s similar to the J/Z to save on maintenance
-The G and S Rockaway Shuttle runs with half length trains (five car 60 feet long or four car 75 feet long) to save on yard space and maintenance
-The M shuttle on weekends and late nights also runs half length trains (four cars 60 feet each)
-As you saw the S Franklin Av Shuttle runs with 2 car R68 sets
-The S 42nd Street Shuttle runs with six A Division 51 foot cars
Actually the R160 runs on the G line so it's about 5 cars now. Bc now most of Broadway lines like the N, Q and W use R68s and R46s
UHM AKSHUALLY, 275 STATIONS ARE UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS 59% 🤓🤓🤓
In all seriousness, great job Miles, and great videos, Geoff! I doubt I would've done any better.
But what about percentage of mileage? 🤓
Does that include open cut stations? If they had a roof, they would be underground.
@@firesurfer nope, the 59% number is just fully-underground stations.
@@firesurfer Let me introduce you to Wilson Avenue.
Geoff, Take Miles up on his offer to tour Boston and the T! So much history and its such a beautiful city! And the metro system is much more cohesive and easy to understand and to ride . Id love to see you tour Boston! All the best to you and Miles!
Definitely history! Some of the history still rolling: PCC* trolleys in actual revenue service, being perpetually reconditioned old-school rewindings etc.
* (PCC = the Presidents' (trolley)Car Commission: the apostrophe position is correct, multiple transit property presidents commissioned a commission to collaboratively develop a common (trolley)car design tender. )
I love Geoff’s excitement during this trip - living his best life 😀😁😃
Miles was brave to have done that interview. 😂
As a New Yorker, the differences between "lines" and "services" had me stumped a while ago while reading about the subway's nomenclature, and I think I FINALLY have a good analogy for it. Imagine the "Lines" as the physical roads a bus route travels on, and the "services" as the route(s) that travel on said roads. The roads can change during the trip, and sometimes multiple routes share the road.
Living here has certainly helped with knowing where to start with this!
If only our beloved Charles Tyson Yerkes could have survived long enough to help the NY subway builders rationalise their system to London's impeccable standards....Geoff and Miles you are an unbeatable duo.
Tis I, Charles Tyson Yerkes, you called for me and here I am!
Lizzie needs to have a word with TfL via the tarot cards to get CrossRail renamed "Yerkes Line".
@@emjackson2289 I'm all for that!
I cannot wait for Geoff does Boston! I was born and raised in Cambridge, MA, and I remember the trolleys running to Lechmere Square. You wouldn't recognize it now!
Great chat! According to the internet, the New York subway system is 248 miles long whereas the London tube system is 249 miles - that's strangely similar!! At street level, London Tube stations have big familiar roundel logos on them but the New York stations seem almost hidden - I find this very odd in a land of loud garish signs.
Yeah, garish, and not great at design simplicity and wayfinding (Apple and some of tech excluded!)
Miles has cemented his Rock Star Transit bona fides! It's a like a doctorate dissertation on NYC subways.
it's good to know that if Geoff ever does visit Boston that Miles will be sure he rides the Mattapan High-Speed Line
Hopefully while they still have the PCC cars. There is a plan to replace all the cars on the Green line and move some of the type-9s to the Mattapan High-Speed Line.
@@paradoox02459 I'd heard that, but at the rate the T is getting things done these days, maybe it will be possible.
I've done the math on the T, and I believe it's possible to visit every station on that system in about 8 hours, well within Geoff's train abilities. There's a few short foot transfers, and possibly a bus between Forest Hills and Mattapan. It's also made easier now with an easy foot transfer between Davis to Medford/Tufts.
@@thexalon I'd wait until all the slowdowns and closures are over.
A half hour of the two best transit nerds in the world blabbering on about the NYC subway, this is my version of heaven 😁
For Geoff's sake, he's gonna need at least a week to fully grasp the sheer magnitude of the NYC Subway as a whole.
Love a good Geoff Chat all that's missing is a good cuppa tea & cake
He mentioned Coffee and Donuts… when in Rome, or NY rather 🤣
Geoff would love the Chicago L, there's five stations called "Western", five with "Kedzie" in the name, four "Pulaski"s, and to top it off, there's three called "Chicago"
Miles, in-focus, for 30 minutes,
I guess there is a first time for everything!
The BMT used to be called the BRT (Brooklyn Rapid Transit) until it went bankrupt due to the Malbone Street Wreck when a train going too fast around a curve into Prospect Park station crashed.
17:04 Except for Queensboro Plaza Station. 7 trains and W/N trains stop at the same platform across from each other
Re 17:04: Language & meaning thing, I *think* the UK use of “platform” is equal to “track” when referring to where a particular service (line, direction, destination etc) will show up… An island platform with two tracks would still be designated “platform 1” and “platform 2” - even if they’re physically the same structure. Used to travel in the UK back when, but I might be on the wrong track here, really bad pun…
I’m just a simple 🇳🇴‘ian, so we’d name the two tracks 1 and 2, and never name the platform itself - island or separate ones. One service would be announced as entering “track 1”, never “platform 1”.
Dang, I’m just confusing people even more, I guess… 😂👍
@@musiqteeThey do this on BART in the SF Bay Area. Island platform, one track in each direction, and they refer to platform 1 and 2 instead of track 1 and 2.
Yes, but the 2 services don’t use the same track, which is what I thought his question was.
Unless there’s a reroute (and remember that A and B division services can’t be rerouted between divisions), an N would never show up on the A platform at Penn Station.
@@davidthaler7018 Oh, absolutely! What i referred to, was a momentary “across the pond” misunderstanding between the two guys - they certainly know their stuff…👍
In the US (and here in 🇳🇴) we allocate a track. In the UK, they allocate a platform - all meaning a particular set of tracks.
When Geoff said “same platform” I would think he meant same physical set of tracks, possibly on one side of an island platform. I interpreted that as causing a little back & forth between them…
I’m just being very particular about a (possibly alleged by me) linguistic detail, but you know - rail enthusiasts and details… 😅
The Kyiv metro has a similar situation to the deepest station station in NY. Arsenalna is a deep station (2 long escalators, takes about 5 minutes to get from entrance to platform) but after emerging from a hill the following station, Dnipro, is elevated.
DC as well! We apparently have the longest escalator in the US
As a transplant from SoCal to NYC who also lived in Paris and spends a lot of time in London, the key to enjoying NYC is to explore outside of Midtown Manhattan.
There are so many beautiful neighborhoods accessible via the subway, like 181st street and Bennett Park, Inwood, Ft. Tryon Park.
When out in Far Rockaway take the ferry back to Manhattan 34th street for an amazing view of downtown. So much to do.
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I used to think subway entrance green-only globes and green/white globes meant something different, but apparently they all started out as all green, but the lower half was changed to white to provide brighter area lightning around the entrance.
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What's frustrating about the system is it's NOT clear when there's limited service on weekends due to normal scheduling. e.g. The M train doesn't go into Manhattan on weekends, and when you look at online status apps it says it's running. Also, some trains have different termini at different times and it's easy to get caught out. The announcement system is notoriously hard to understand, even for native English speakers let alone tourists.
The MTA could do a much better job of communicating what is an express train and what's not for non-locals. It's not obvious, especially when there is maintenance and train sets or running on the "wrong" set of tracks. e.g. On the west side, the 1 train is local and the 2 and 3 are express, on the east side the 4 and 5 are express and the 6 is local.
I thought half green and half white meant open during the day only.
@@themoviedealers Me too until I read the MTA site and it's just for visibility.
That bit about the M on weekends isn't quite accurate. If you're talking about _Midtown,_ then it's accurate, but Delancey Street is very much in Manhattan.
@@sonicboy678 Yes I’m talking about Midtown, it's not obvious the M doesn't run it's full line.
I AM FROM NEW YORK AND I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT IT IS ACTUALLY 59% THAT IS UNDERGROUND!!!!
(Note: This is just a joke and I actually live in Epping, Essex)
And i doxxed myself i realise
Riding the NYC subways for years made easier for me to ride The Tube in London. They are different but there are many simularities.. BTW, I did see a rat at Bank St. station on the Northern Line tracks, it made me feel like I was back in NYC.
Stations with the same name make sense when the name of the station is the cross-street. You're expected to know which avenue you're travelling under.
- New York born and bred, now living next to Boston.
Chicago has 7 stations called Western.
The CTA Blue Line even has 2 (one on the O'Hare branch and one on the Forest Park branch near opposite ends)
In defense of Chicago, at least, it is the same long north/south stretch of Western Avenue. The whole “multiple 23rd Streets” on the NYC Subway is due to the multiple street numbering systems found across Brooklyn and Queens (especially due to many Queens neighborhoods being former Suburbs.)
@@bkark0935 There's only one station named 23rd Street outside of Manhattan. The rest are directly tied to Manhattan's.
Better examples of what you're getting at are 33rd Street (distinct streets in Queens and Manhattan), 111th Street (all in Queens, but the section served by the 7 is distinct from the section served by the A and J), 79th Street (distinct streets in Brooklyn and Manhattan served by different divisions), and 36th Street (both distinct streets served by the R, but Brooklyn has an express station while Queens is exclusive to local trains).
@@sonicboy678 yes, 33rd Street, sorry…my mistake! Thanks for the correction.
@geoff NYers will go, “it’s our system, it’s bad, but we love it and we are the only ones who can badmouth it for the most part” also living in NYC you get used to calling the duplicate stations by what line they r on, like 23rd st on R
petition for geoff to go fully blonde😭🤯
I think he should have a stripe of each colour of the TfL lines…🚇
@@cazharris5581moquette or nothing 😀
@@thekingofming Fantastic - but how would he choose?!
@@cazharris5581 no need to, we could choose 😀
No I need his fading blond stripe as a metric to indicate how long the Purple train has been open
Oh and for the subway globes. Green globe means 24 hour entrance. Originally, yellow globes were used for entrances that were open partial hours and red globes were used for exit only, but eventually red globes ended up being used for both
Mostly gone. I can't remember the last time I saw one.
Two of my favorite TH-camrs in one video, this is amazing
Geoff, my daughter and grandson returned to Adelaide, South Australia from NY last Wednesday. My gift? A pair of socks from the Transit Museum.
I’ve spent 6 days in NY using the subway and never knew it was so complex. London Underground is quirky and cosier while NY Subway is slightly scary.
Having Geoff and Kilometres in Transit in the same video is a real delight.
Glad yoi came to the USA, Geoff. Some day I'd love to show you Amtrak;s NEC and talk about the wonderful Pennsylvania Rialroad which preceded it. I have lots of stories about the men who worked on the Pennsy!
They gave out free Subway maps when I visited New York. They were particularly useful as they emphasised local roads as well. On my last day my flight was at 9.30pm. To kill time I walked from Manhattan to the sight of Shea Stadium then to the Flushing Meadows tennis centre. La Guardia Airport surprised me as it didn’t have a Subway connection.
No direct subway connection unfortunately. But the Q70-SBS bus runs 24/7 to LaGuardia. It only makes stops at two subway stations (74th St. Jackson Heights and 61st St. Woodside). It's currently free.
It's a perpetual sore spot for a lot of people. The basic issue is a massive natural geography/road issue near Grand Central parkway. ANY solution is going to be pricey and ugly.
@@firesurfer Don't forget one of the runways!
They did a study on extending the subway, but turned out to be way too expensive. In stead, they added free and more frequent bus connection from the nearest subway stations to LGA.
Miles is so nice
New York is the most economically important city in the world. That's not the same thing as being the best place to live.
Great content, love the banter.
Another great video guys! Just a few things… most NYC subway trains are 10 cars, with some exceptions (the 7 being 11, The G, M and C and shuttles being shorter)
The “B division” doesn’t have universal train swap-ability as theres some clearance issues with some aging IND trains like the R68 on BMT (Lines J/M/Z) trackage.
And no one mentioned the simpleness of telling the difference between the division’s, the IRT lines are the numbers, with the B division BMT/IND being the letter lines.
Lastly, multiple 23rd streets in Manhattan isn’t complicated when you’re aware of what avenue the train operates under. In NY intersections are everything.
It can get confusing when there’s multiple 23rd streets on the same service. The M for example, stops at a 23rd street in Manhattan and a 23rd street-ely in Queens.
Yes more USA content! LOVE IT!
Lovely video! I enjoyed you two chatting about the NYC subway and the Tube. Geoff, another trip back to the US should be in the cards soon for you to ride the T and other systems here in the US.
Very entertaining! Thankyou very much for that
This is fabulous!
I half expected a Park Bench graphic to crash in at the beginning, Tom and Matt style 😂
You're not the only one.
@@Gav_Jam they didnt do any new ones :'(
@@Gav_Jam Sadly not. They killed it back in 2016 I believe.
Absolutely brilliant
5:54 All of the stations on 23rd Street (between Park Ave South and 8th Ave) are connected by using the M23 Select Bus service.
Same could be said for the crosstown buses on 14, 34, and 42 streets. :-)
I have the same t-shirt! Love seeing 2 of my favourite transit TH-camrs together, amazing! Hope you both come to visit Montreal one day, I'd be happy to give you a tour!
I'M FROM NEW YORK, AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY 60% UNDERGROUND.
The best collab I could have ever asked for!
What timing! I just finished the last video!
Welcome to NYC!
You need to visit City hall station on the 6 train loop. Please!
As a foreigner to the US, I didn't quite get nyc until I started living 20mins away from it. I miss it so much
Crossover we needed
Manhattan streets above lower Manhattan (original NYC) are parallel and in a grid that is close to North/South-East/West directions with the subway often running right under the street, unlike London where the streets and Tube are both spaghetti. It's natural that the mostly N/S subway lines would also be parallel and several have the same station names because they all cross the same E/W street. There are only two E/W lines though. The other boroughs generally have numerous grids with different orientations not just NSEW with the subway lines often running under, over, or in a trench between them. So the subway lines mostly depend on the grids, and it's not confusing.
Love this conversation
Before I visited New York I looked up various videos about the Subway and how to get tickets (including from the airport) which made it easy and enjoyable. I was on a late evening A on diversion and was really impressed with the announcements and the adaptable in-car line displays which made it clear what was going on. I also like the jaunty 'stand clear of the closing doors' recording. It's a great system despite the investment challenges.
A great series of videos!
Park Place is one of my favorite stations too Miles! I'm there quite often!
I believe that Franklin Avenue station on the S is a single track station
You guys are hilarious! 💖💖💖💖
Very interesting video.
Second favorite line is the
Slight correction/more information on the number/sizes of cars: the A Division runs 10 54-foot cars, or 11 54-foot cars on the 7. The B Division has 3 standards: most trains are 10 60-foot cars, but some older 75-foot cars are still around, and run in 8-car sets. The BMT Eastern Division (J, Z, M, and L trains) was built with shorter platforms and tighter curves, and uses 8 60-foot cars, which are also used on the C train for some reason. Then you have the shuttles. The 42nd St Shuttle uses 6 54-foot cars, the Franklin Ave shuttle uses 2 75-foot cars, and the Rockaway Park shuttle uses half-length B Division trains, which are extended to full-length on summer weekends.
This might be my favourite Choo Choo Chat so far! Had me giggling throughout!
You need to visit Porto’s metro system. We’ve just spent a weekend here and it’s a lot of fun!
So the Dual Contracts and the 5¢ fare are two different things.
The Dual Contracts was in the 1910s when the city built subway lines which they then contracted the operation out to the IRT and BRT (predecessor to the BMT).
The 5¢ fare actually predates the subways entirely and was mandated by the city in the 1890s for elevated trains and streetcars. It lasted until 1940 when the city took over operation of the subway system from the by then bankrupted subway companies. And yes, if you wanted to transfer between subway lines operated by different companies, you would have to pass through an additional set of turnstiles and pay an additional fare.
Good Work Geoff 👍
"Do you think New York is better than London, or London better than New York?" Well, one item in NY's favor is that there are at least two iconic movies that feature the NY subway (The French Connection, and The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3)! I can't, offhand, think of any using the Underground! :-(
what about Sliding Doors?
Having recently been on our first visit to NYC I can agree with how hard it is to find some of the subway entrances. Despite having google maps we had to ask directions several times. The other thing we noticed is how loud the trains are when stationary - mostly from the aircon. Travelling with an autistic teenager you tend to notice these things!
London's Underground is cleaner.
But New York's subway is more useful because it runs 24/7/365.
But the LU runs to LHR, NYC Subway doesn't go to an airport.
@@heidirabenau511 Free bus transfer, also '' You can take the AirTrain from the airport terminal to the Jamaica Station of the Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) first, from where you will be able to take the New York subway trains.'' ...so no ''direct'' connection, but that's a touch pedantic. Bronx cheer to them.
I visited Manhattan for 3 days/4 nights, which was nowhere near enough time. I arrived to conditions best described as "The Day After Tomorrow", but that didn't stop me getting around locally, thanks in large part to the subway system.
evening and weekend diversions. i used to love the weekender. then the mta app. now it’s just get frustrated and walk.
… also if mta ran a number line train on a letter line track, the like “mind the gap” would really apply
Great couple of videos Geoff, I love NYC & it’s subway system, some fantastic trips there & exploring subways & firehouses. Did you stop at the system’s highest station (above sea level)?
About train length, for the B-Division you can have a 8 car train of 60 footers (480 feet), a 10 car train of 60 footers (600 feet), and a 8 car train of 75 footers (600 feet). The R46s and R68s are the only car type which each car is 75 feet long. Car types before these two were 60 feet long, and future orders after these cars were 60 feet long due to 60 foot long trains allowing for more doors per set.
Did not know this. Thumbs up.
Yes! Come to Boston and do a segment on the MBTA. I'll buy the coffee!
We use at-grade in highways industry to describe junctions, generally substandard, and as opposed to grade separated 🙂
For some reason, during this video I kept being distracted by the name plaque on the bench. Whoever he was, I hope that FF Gerard “Jerry” Dewan might have been pleased to know that, years after his death, a couple of weary transport TH-camrs would sit there “By the beach [he] loved so much”.
A BRILLIANT video guys
original Subway sandwich named BMT was named after Brooklyn Manhattan Transit now it stands for "Bigger, Meatier, Tastier
Epic combo!! Love it!!❤
Before the new South Ferry station was built, the old circular track and platform at South Ferry was only long enough for 5 cars, so only the front half of the train opened. And when the trains switched to having the conductor having a full-width cabin rather than just a small phone booth sized compartment, it was no longer possible to walk between the front and back halves of the train, so southbound trains going to South Ferry had to stop at Rector St and ensure that all passengers staying on to South Ferry exit the back half of the train, walk along the platform past the conductor position and reenter the train's front half. Otherwise if they ignore those instructions, they would not be able to exit at South Ferry and find themselves trapped until they could exit on the northbound platform of Rector Street on the trains northbound service. The new South Ferry station eliminated this with full length straight and parallel platforms so trains would reverse direction rather than loop around. Then Hurricane Sandy flooded the new station, and for a while they had to reopen the old circular platform while they rebuilt the new station.
You are so right, I’ve never even thought about this but Berlin has the three bann lines
What a crossover indeed.
As a New Yorker who has been to london, (and DC, Philly and Boston), I agree. No subway is better constructed than New Yorks.
Pretty much all the ones I've been too are better maintained however. The Subway is getting better though, and that may change, or maybe we'll get back to the old ways. I rather *hope* not as there are several new infrastructure projects ongoing/recently completed (Second Ave, Grand Central LIRR, third Penn station access, third line on the LIRR, Moynihan Train hall etc.) so I have a bit of faith that the subway can be better.
I think the red bulb used to have something to do with whether you could purchase a metrocard, but they've recently switched it to just mean exit only
Fascinating - learned alot.
The Canon ‘Cripple Hammer’ even affects Geoff’s clip recordings. It’s a camera conspiracy! 😉😆
The RIAA forced the camera companies to limit video recordings to 20 mins (not sure of the actual time limit). Shutdowns due to heat are a different issue.
The limit was 29:59 mins and was applied to DSLRs back in the naughties. The EU collaborated in this artificial restriction, but not specifically because of what the RIAA did in the US, but because it imposed higher taxes on devices that could record continuously for 30 minutes of more - it’s always about money. This restriction was abolished about 5 years ago (when the UK was still in the EU) by the WTO (if my memory is right) and I’m sure Geoff’s UK camera is newer than that.
Canon is known for crippling its devices seemingly to minimise sales cannibalisation from more its expensive models, eg its professional filmmaker cameras. The Camera Conspiracies YT channel has covered this lightheartedly for years.
When you go to Boston, you should do a video about getting there, preferably by commuter rail! 🤪
I’ve been to both London and NYC, and I agree with Miles that the subway has the best infrastructure of any metro system, but the tube edges it out because it’s better maintained
My favorite line/station on each:
NYC:
49th Street NRW
The 3 train
London:
Chesham Met (Crystal Palace for an actually in London station)
The Hammersmith & City Line
The IRT (A division) subway cars are 51 feet long, and 9 feet wide. The BMT/IND (B division the cars are 10 feet wide and either 60 or 75 feet long.
IRT trains are 10 cars long excluding the shuttle which is 4 and the 7 which has 11 car trains.
B,T/IND trains are either 8 cars (if using 75 foot cars) or 10 cars if using 60 foot cars.
An interesting follow up to the IRT/BMT being sold to the city to create a unified system, and then eventually being folded into the MTA, is that the MTA is actually owned by the State of New York, not the city.
Why? I honestly don't know without researching it more, but it might be a fun future topic!
Talking of Express Metro trains, I wish we still had the Fast Amershams on the Met running all day.
Nice to have a chat
Service (as a noun) refers to the original 3 companies property and stations. I believe there is an effort to redefine confusing station names over time. They deemphasize duplicative/confusing names. It's going to take forever. Service (as a verb) refers to daily running of train times.
''Out of the system's 472 stations, 283 are underground, 149 are elevated, 20 are in open cuts, 7 are at-grade, and 13 are on embankments. (I don't know what an ''embankment'' is.)
Morris Park station (5) is all 3 at the same time. Partly underground, partly open cut, partly elevated. (also at grade and underground, but the under el staircase is long closed off.)
There were a limited number of oddball ''extension shuttles'' that required an extra fare. They are all long gone.
That is indeed a lovely pawrk you're sitting in.
13:58 There is no regular service between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park, but if they had to do track work or something and they need to suspend service in some sections, it could happen(I've seen it before!)
The Round Robin.
Hammel's Wye and the H train! The H ran for a while between Rockaway Park and Far Rockaway via Hammel's Wye when the train tracks over Jamaica Bay were washed out because of hurricane Sandy.
The NYC grid system of streets is the reason why there are so many stations with the same naming convention. London is so different which is why there is only one Mornington Crescent.
Miles from Boston is certainly brave to come and talk about the NY subway. He got most facts right at least. Geoff should certainly go to Boston and visit the T! No interchanging trains there on all 4 underground lines.
About different lines departing from the same platform: pretty much all lines have multiple lines/services stopping at the same platform. Only exceptions are the 7 and L which have their own dedicated tracks.
Hey hit me up when you guys go do the T! I’m local to Boston and I know a lot about the deep history of the Boston subway, including the fascinating archaeological finds they made during the building of the subway
Yes 30 minutes if Geoff marshall excited to wach when i have the time im sure its great
Definitely agree with Miles that NYC has #1 service, but weak in stations.
I'm a bit biased as a native but Chicago's L has the best passenger views since it is almost all above ground.
I only lived in New York for 3 years, but with regards to there being 5 stations named 23rd st I think the average New Yorker probably doesn't find it confusing because, at least in Manhattan, most folks aren't thinking about getting to a specific station, but to a specific location on the grid. So nobody would be like "meet me at the 23rd street station", they'd be like "meet me at 23rd and park", or "meet me at 23rd and 7th".