Amazing to watch this dealer training video. Both cars rode on the same chassis. Monte Carlo development starting soon after 69 Grand Prix development began. The Monte is nice, but I will take the classic look of the Grand Prix.
My 71 GP is a rare bench seat model,it's in great shape and is driven on nice days.I am the 2nd owner and love this car,getting ready to go for a ride now.
the base grand prix in 1970 was a great car, fast fun to drive, it had the power to push it through turns that made it fell alot lighter than it was, and could really take a beating.
This is a sales training filmstrip meant for Chevrolet dealerships. If the prospect mentions the Grand Prix, the Chevrolet salesman uses the positioning recommended here to point out the advantage of the Monte Carlo. Losing a sale to another GM division is just as bad as losing it to Ford or Chrysler from the salesman's perspective.
Actually, it was the competition of autonomous divisions (General Motors was a holding company, there were no "GM" products) that kept the competitive edge sharp. Between Pontiac, Buick, and Olds there was always one falling behind and needing a push to catch up. All together GM had a self-imposed 50% market share, and Chevrolet alone had 25%. It was going to a "GM Corporate" central organization that killed GM. What's their market share now?
@Stormy D. Some of their cars were but most were not. There were door handles falling off, bumpers falling off because of rust between opposing metals, camshafts wearing out because of poor heat treating. Now those problems no longer exist. GM today builds great cars as does Ford.
@Stormy D. Fords are fine. Don't forget, I live in Michigan and the GM cars rotted badly here. The Crown Vic, the Grand Marquis, and the Buick LeSabre with the 3800v6 are fabulous cars. As far Ford not making cars, the Japanese are going to follow suit. Ford still makes lincoln Sedans and Mustangs and they make Fusions and make cars in other countries. Companies discontinuing cars has nothing to do with the quality because they are built on the same chassis as smaller SUVs and crossovers. I teach automotive electronics and emissions and all automakers are getting most of their smaller parts from the same suppliers.
I had a 1976 Monte bought new. It had over 200,000 miles when I sold It. Rusted doors and the obligatory cracked dash. Best GM motor of all time- 350ci. I owned every Chevy motor V8 except the 409. 265, 283, 305, 307, 327, 350, 383, 400(Siamese cylinders), 427 and 454. Never blew an engine, spun a bearing, threw a rod, broke a timing chain, wore out cams, etc. Amazing what engine maintenance will do for YOU. I drove over 2,000,000 miles on their engines.
Strange how 2 GM divisions competed. The styling is purely subjective. GM's Pontiac division was styled and marketed as a slight step up from a Chevy. The GP SJ optioned with the 455HO gave nothing up on performance.
I own a 69 Grand Prix and love it, also owned a 71 Monte Carlo, I never could get attached to it like I did the Grand Prix, bu in the video he talks about the quarter lights and said the 70 only had reflectors, but 1970 was the year that the quarter extension was a light not a reflector like the 69, I took the extension lights out of a 70 and put into my 69. And also the guy that was incharge if the build of the 70 monte was also the guy that built the 69 Grand Prix, me John delorian.
I thought in 68 side marker lights were required. Plymouth tried to use refex with no lights. In 68 Plymouth had side lights. GM in 68 had side markers on all cars. GM was a year ahead on the locking steering wheel. Does anybody know why with a tilt wheel, on any car the switch was moved out on the column vs a non-tilt column. Was it to make room inside the column for the tilt wheel ? Always wondered that. I have a friend with 69 GP. Those side marker lights come on.
This was a film for Chevrolet salespeople. It wasn't a commercial...basically a "For Your Eyes Only" sales tool. Lots of fun to watch. Thanks Manny Torres!
I sold my 1976 Monte Carlo after I drove over 200,000 miles on the stock 350 engine. I bought it new and it had rusted door bottoms from the poor drainage and a cracked upper dash(the speaker in the center). The windows had no post and the doors would sag on the hinges from their weight. Also, I changed the oil every 2,000 miles and it burned a quart between every change so I added a half quart every 1,000 miles. My dad thought I changed the oil too often but he blew his Caddy (1978) engine by NOT changing his oil often enough.
I like the simpler exterior of the monte carlo but the Pontiac seems so much nicer inside. The grand prix just seems like more car even at a higher price. The extra $800 was probably worth it.
One thing that was, I believe, unique to the GP was those rocker-grip door handles. I don't know if I'd like having to do the little hand-trick needed to get them out every morning, but the first time I ever heard anyone not-on-TV use the word "groovy" was when I asked my next-door neighbor about the handles on his father's GP.
0:33 Notice how they stretch the photo of the Monte so it barely fits the page, while the GP, 0:52 , is squeezed to make it look shorter and stubbier than it was? One reason for that extra $862 was that the GP was built on a unique 118" wheelbase while the Monte used the 116" wheelbase of the 4 door Chevelle. It seems that the bodies on each are closer to the size of the 2 door A-bodies, since both have a huge stretch between the front-door-seam and the front wheel, but the GP should be a little better balanced with a big-block engine.
My brother has owned both. 1970 Monte and the Grand Prix. I've driven both of those and prefer the Pontiac. The Monte got better fuel mileage. The Pont. GP had much more h.p. and handling and the build quality was superior to the Monte. I got 27mpg with the Monte. 17-18.5 with the GP Pontiac. Still a lot better than today's B.S.cars in overall categories.
I have a 1970 monte carlo that i got on my 16 birthday back in 1970 when the car came out still completely stock and I remember this commercial it brings back so much memories
i was almost expecting the narrator to just call the grand prix a pathetic excuse of a car...lol.....and go figure that both of these are General Motors products.
GM was not yet fully integrated in 1970 (no GMAD yet, for example) as they would be by 1984, when everything they made would be designed, built, and marketed by GM no matter which brand label was stuck to it. In 1970, the divisions were still mostly antonymous and competed against each other almost as much as against other non GM brands, and in some cases more since they had to compete with their siblings for a share of the same pile of money (sibling rivalry). That's why products from the various divisions of GM in 1970 had far more variation than in 1984, when the auto media and Ford excoriated them for so-called"badge engineering". By 1970 there were signs of the troubles to come though, when GM corporate forced a half-baked, GM corporate-conceived mess of a project onto Chevy that Chevy never wanted (Vega), and told them to "make it work". There are some good insider books about GM in that era that help explain the massive internal shift that was underway inside GM at that time. It was a fight for survival between the divisions.
Two people in my family had both of these cars. One of my cousins had a '78 Monte Carlo and one of my uncles had a '76 Grand Prix. Both cars had their similarities and differences. Underneath they were the same car.
You must be off on the years. 78 was the first year of the downsized GM intermediate cars. The 76 GP was probably a foot or so longer and 500+ lbs heavier than the 78 Monte. You are correct that these cars were basically the same when built on the same platform. 70-72, 73-77 and 78-87.
Thanks for sharing this. Interesting comparison and the SS Monte Carlo is quite a nice car! Obviously Chevy wanted to get in on the sales action following the 69 GP success and the price was substantially cheaper. Note the base GP had the 350 horse engine and the GP could be ordered with the 455 and a 4 speed. The Monte Carlo SS 454 was an automatic only but you could get a 4 speed with the 402 Chevy. Both great cars!
@@MisterMikeTexas It's confusing, in Chevelle it was called 396. In Camaro it was called 396. In El Camino it was called 396. In Nova it was called 396. In Impala and Monte Carlo it was called 400. It was really 402 but never called a 402 starting in 1970.
The Monte Carlo looked exactly like what it was: a more formal Chevelle (they shared the same basic platform). The Grand Prix of this generation never looked like a more formal Lemans. The styling was so different, you'd never guess the Grand Prix and Lemans shared the same chassis. The Grand Prix was a much better overall performer, was better insulated and had a higher quality feel in some of the materials used inside. And having the dash basic controls you often reach for in an ergonomic design tilted toward the driver is far better than having them beyond arm's reach away. The Monte's handling was slop city too compared to the better handling Grand Prix.
I believe the GP/Monte chassis was either an adaptation of the full-size platform or it's own chassis until 1973. My brother has a '73 GP, wheelbase is a little shorter because it was now on the mid-size platform. But you're right, the Grand Prix's style was second to none. This is interesting to watch how Chevy salespeople were trained to spin stuff lol.
I had a 1976 Pontiac Grand Le Man's. They called it the baby Grand Prix. Le Man's had GP's dashboard. The Le Man's was on a 112 wheel base. Grand Prix and Monte Carlo were on 116 wheel base. I never knew why the Grand Le Man's didn't out Sale the Cutlass. Mom had a 72. 350. It would fly. Oldsmobile didn't even offer a 6 cylinder in 72. Even the base Cutlass had the 350 standard. I receive Car Collectible Automobile. They had an article about why Le Man's was the underdog compared to other GM divisions. The dashboard was the best looking of any other divisions. I wish I had kept it. Factory 8 track. Playing the Bee Gees, American, Bread. Great music in the 70s. Pontiac Always A Cut Above. There pitch then. Chevrolet, Building a better way to see the USA. Wouldn't you rather have a Buick this year. Oldsmobile, Always a Step ahead. Cadillac. 😢 The Stardard of the world.
Never was a big fan of the look of either of these cars (prefer the GTO and chevelle look). That being said in 1970 they were not comparable cars, the GP was a much higher end car, the GP used a unique boxed 118” frame, massively more soundproofing and much higher trim level inside the car, especially the door panels and dash which made it feel like a sporty Cadillac. The Monte Carlo uses the regular open 4 door sedan chevelle frame along with basically the same dash and door panels. It can be optioned up to be a really nice car but it drove like a higher trim level chevelle which is precisely what it was.
Both nice, but the GP is a step above. More dramatic styling, more standard features, standard bigger engine, cockpit style interior, instrument panel and console on the GP makes the Monte's interior look spartan.
I had a 70 Monte Carlo love it I like how GM Divisions competed against each other when all the parts came out the same parts Ben and use the same frame the good old days!!
@@alxf66 And Lee Iacocca was instrumental in convincing Henry Ford II to dismiss Knudsen after only about a year and a half. Many Ford stylists hated his T-Bird beak but were powerless to prevent it from going into production. The insurance companies considered the design a collision risk and increased premiums.
Seems the GP and the Lincoln Mark III started an industry-wide trend toward more pronounced central grills and hood bulges, as if cars were returning to the days when the fenders were totally separated from the hood. As the 1970s wore on, part of this might have been a way of doing something with the extra bulk they had to add to the front ends of their cars to meet the new crash and bumper regulations.
And you would be correct. The other persons who,responded to your comment are spot on. Bunkie Knudsen was at GM where he influenced Pontiacs famous beak. He then went to Ford, where he lasted about 2 years. He heavily influenced Ford styling. Gave us what Ford designers called the " Bunkie beaks "
Not just the T Bird always thought it looked like the Lincoln Mark 5 stylistically got all its style cues from the 1969 and early 1970s Pontiac Grand Prix
Nope. In 1970 GM divisions were not on the same team at all. Sibling rivalry within GM was very much a thing in those days. There are lots of good books out there about GM of the 60s and 70's and the forced integration of the GM brands that hadn't happened yet in 1970 but was on the way. By 1984, the old, semi antonymous "vertical" GM divisions that existed in 1970 had gone away, and since then there are really no divisions of GM, at least not in the way they existed before. In the "new" GM, everything was (is) conceived, designed, built, and marketed by corporate GM no matter what brand name is slapped on it. 1970 was a different world.
Dont get too carried away. This was for Chevrolet's dealer sales force. Back in those days Chevrolet knew GM's customer base was huge and wanted to make people considering a Pontiac or even an Oldsmobile take a look at a Chevrolet automobile. The Monte Carlo and Grand Prix maybe was on the same platform but hardly ever shared anything in common. This was when GM was really GM, before they over reacted to the 1973 oil crisis and made some huge mistakes right up into the 1980's. GM Division's cars drove differently and felt differently while having GM's for the time good quality, that's what people liked about GM cars.
@@AnthonyEvelyn GM cars at this time shared basically the same chassis. The main difference was in the drivetrain. Each make had their own engine designs that shared almost nothing. Transmissions were all Turbo Hydromatic automatics, Muncie manual gear boxes were most prevalent. Differentials were also manufactured by each division but were also shared. The vaunted 12 bolt was made by Chevrolet but was shared with the other divisions for high performance applications for most muscle cars. Pontiac built high performance rears for the performance oriented full sized cars. Oldsmobile used their own designed rear for their high performance muscle cars.
What they don't tell you is the $244 SJ option gave you 370 hp 455, gauges, 12 bolt rear end, HD turbo 400, cornering lamps and a manual trans was standard. I've never seen a 4 speed 454 MC.
I'm with a few of you guys, Chevy really came in kinda strong on bashing the Pontiac GP, it truly is subjective. I get a kick out of the narrators voice change in tone when he brags about the MC, then he mentions the GP's flaws and his tone changes darker, lol... I lost count as to how many negative features he mentioned.... Chevy must have had some axe to grind with the Pontiac division in those year of introducing the MC... BTW, although I've owned two 72' MC, I think both cars are great. GP does have a bit more luxury clout using quality materials in the interior and exterior stainless steel trim, also had more complex wiring and gauges, etc.. Hence the $862.00 higher price difference.
Back in those days the Chevrolet division was vicious and ruthless towards the Pontiac division. I read the transcript of an interview that John DeLorean gave later in life - remember that he worked for both divisions in the 60's and 70's. Said that Ed Cole - who was in charge of Chevrolet was so angry that Pontiac was beating the pants off of Chevrolet in both innovations and sales that anything new that came out of the division was to be quashed. One of the Pontiac engineers had produced a combination of power disc brakes that was years ahead of it's time. When Ed Cole found out about it - he killed the program in spite regardless of the safety value. DeLorean said those brakes would have saved GM no less than 15 years of trial end error in regards to braking technology. Ed Cole did not care.
I mean I know you're Superman and all. Done a lot of good deeds over the years. But if you truly mean that statement (which I doubt you do)... then you're no hero of mine. Competition does make you better... for a while. Even in a business. It spurs a better and/or more economical product... for less. Even some degree of badge engineering is beneficial. But when you take it so far as your divisions are competing with each other for customers... then you have some serious internal problems in your business. It's serious waste.
@@Tnenamrep2 I think that at this time in history, (before imports ruled the road) GM as a whole owned a huge portion of the sales market in North America. The divisions were much more like autonomous car companies and were not just badge engineered products, therefore they could afford healthy competion among themselves.
I bought the 1971 GP with 400 cu motor used in 1972 for $3500. It was the best car I would ever own in my lifetime. I drove it 800 miles every weekend for 2 and 1/2 years during the days of an oil embargo. Never once did it leave me stranded except one time I ran out of gas out on the interstate. Stuck out my thumb and got picked up in 2 minutes, driven to a gas station where they loaned me a can with a spout for $2 and driver took me back to my car. Those were the days. I had the bucket seats, climate control, center console and fold out armrest panel, leather interior. It was my first love, and I still wish we could be together once more just to touch my butt on her driver's side bucket seat. I would pick up swoops, and pull out loaded in 2 minutes. Where ever I pulled up, the people knew........I was of a different class....... Next project for Fischer Body was the Safari Van..........I watch them level the Fisher Body plant, and haul it away to the dump, from my window. It took almost 2 years and sadly now, its an Amazon fulfillment warehouse.
I'll take a 455 grand prix over the monte carlo any day of the week. sitting in the pontiac driver's seat was like sitting in a cockpit! I had 2 of them. great cars!
That's what I was thinking when watching it and I would think most people thought the GP was the superior car even though I always loved the Pontiac and especially the GP
That '70 Gran Prix is SO much better looking inside and out. Also, the narrator is wrong about the GP's "hash mark (bicycle) reflectors", those were actually lights! Illuminated side markers were required on ALL domestic cars produced starting with the 1968 production year. Notice that these very cool lights were high up on the GP's tail fin for superior visibility. Even the front side markers were high up. Not anything like MC's side markers which are all buried in the rocker panel area at the bottom of each fender. A very stooooopid idea. Gran Prix styling was classy, Monte Carlo styling was Chevy.
US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS #108) required side marker lights OR reflectors in 1968 and 1969 and was amended to specify side marker lights AND reflectors in 1970. The reason why Chrysler switched from lights to reflectors from 1968 to 1969 was because then-newly appointed Product Planning, Styling and Engineering Vice President Leroy Bornhouser thought that the side light designs didn't integrate nicely with the fenders, so in order to save time and money, non-illuminated reflectors were used for the 1969 models. (More information about that can found here: www.allpar.com/model/charger-sidelights.html .) All 1969-72 Pontiac Grand Prix models had the same integrated side marker light-and-reflector design.
I had a 69 and a 72 grand prix and my brother had a 70 Monte the grand prix was a much nicer car both in style and performance the grand prix also handled way better sure the Monte had big bumpers but that's about the only thing a little better the Monte like most Chevrolets looked kinda cheap on the inside.
This is so weird to see. The two cars are literally the SAME basic modified A-Body GM car "The G-Body designation was originally used for the 1969-1972 Pontiac Grand Prix and 1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo personal luxury cars."
GadZOOKS Man! I love the Monte but the Grand Prix is awesome too and looks about the same to me? I got those 2 Monte Carlo vintage captures like this guys!
Odd, I've had BOTH-- had a 70 MC and a 70 GP... lOVED both of them- Customized the Monte Carlo-- 2 weeks later my now EX- wrecked it or one of the guys she was running around with did.. Since it had the pasenger side virtually SHAVED off-- (hit a pole dead center- and it looked like you just sawed the passenger side off) and she never had a scratch-- might have been one of her "boyfriends.!! The GP was MINE- exclusively- had no wife at that time-- thank googness- and LOVED it. Wish is had it back. It was 455 black on black sports package with the padded steering wheel from the factory!!! LOVED that car.. *automatic as I was truck driver and sick of clutches!!! ha.
That's the way it was. Pontiac had to share the upper belt line of the Chevrolet including the glass. Compare the 67 Impala and the Catalina . Same for the Camaro and Firebird. Buick and Olds had to also share . The only division that didn't was Cadillac . I like how Chevrolet says that the radio and lighter are not accessable to the passenger. The new C8 Corvette is very much for the driver. They have so divided the car that the passenger pretty much has to sit and just look out the window. The display screen is totally cut off from the passenger. I guess current Chevrolet engineers didn't see this video.
I had a white 1970 Grand Prix model j. It was running machine. My little brother had Leukemia. I drove he from enterprise Alabama to Birmingham Alabama to the children’s hospital in one hr. And fourth five minutes. It was flat out the whole trip. The state Troopers let me go because of n knowing about my brother needing to get to the hospital as fast as Possible. It was the end of the 400 engine but I had it rebuilt. Great car should have never sold it!
The 1969 428 Ho grand price was the best of the best, John was the designer of the 69 grand price, and in 69 that was the last car he designed for Pontiac in 1970 he would become the designer for Chevy, he was also the designer of the Monte Carlo so that’s why the monte shared a lot of features of the Grand Prix, but in 1969 I thin 115,000 Grand Prix was built and sold maybe a little less don’t remember the number
Grand Prix was a much nicer car .Styling inside and out. The Grand Prix interior was so much more luxurious. Although Monte Carlo you could get a 454 or a 402.
@@tomservo56954 yes I realize what people made then. My first job if I remember correctly was $2.00 an hour minimum wage. So if you were bringing home $ 900.00 a month in 1969 1970 you were doing Ok.
They don't tell you that the GP came with a regular 400 2 bbl with 265 hp, it gave you a credit and use reg gas, same for the bench seat. The used the same engine as a credit in 1969. Hard to believe that Delorean would allow Chevy to throw the GP under the bus when the GP was his baby and push the MC when he went to chevy in 1970.
No wonder GM went bankrupt with marketing like this. Pontiac was to Chevy what Mercury was to Ford. Chevy was the entry level division for GM. That’s not a knock, Chevy had some great cars, Monte Carlo was one of them. If you were willing to pay a bit more you could move up to Pontiac...a little bit better ride, more insulation so a quieter ride, little bit better resale. Chevy always sold more, because let’s face it, price is always a consideration. For some (me included) I was willing to pay a bit more for the extras. Not so much an “apples to oranges” comparison but more like oranges to tangerines...similar but definitely not the same
the GP and Mc were both the same GM siblings but they cosmetically look slightly different and the engines were different I like both they were still A bodies from the same plant
I like both. Monte SS versus the GP would be a better comparison. If forced to choose just one it would be the GP. The Monte's lower price shows, especially on the interior. Too similar to a Chevelle, IMO, where the GP is clearly more upscale. I drove a '69 GP for many years. Nice car.
I owned a 70 GP for about 3 years in my late college days. Brown w saddle interior and landau top. It had the 400 in it. I know it's huge compared to today's coupes but man I thought that car was awesome. Still remember it.
Same way I feel to this day about my 1964 GP my first car I bought while in the 11th grade in 1971 the car was in such immaculate shape they had it on a revolving pedestal in the new car showroom and as soon as I sat down inside that beautiful car I was in love with it and still miss it to this day!
It is interesting that the Monte Carlo was a compromise made to make the A-body special (G-body) possible. John DeLorean couldn't get the G-body Grand Prix for Pontiac UNLESS Chevrolet got its own version, which it did as shown in this video. Interesting, however, that 1970 Grand Prix sales plummeted after the Monte Carlo was introduced...so Chevy didn't really need to make this video!
I had a base model 77 Grand Prix 301 stop with the smallest two barrel I've ever seen on a V8 the road good and I'll be damned if it didn't get really good gas mileage for size. Oh yeah and the air conditioner never died!
I bought a new '69 Grand Prix, it was flashy and I was a yuppie. It was OK but I wished I had kept my '67 Cougar XR7 that I traded in. I never felt connected to the GP.
Kind of weird to see one of these videos down-selling another car from the same parent company. I like the Monte Carlo better, but honestly, neither car is really my style. I would have opted for a Caprice or a Bonneville if I walked into a dealership in 1970 (probably a Bonneville, bigger and more stylish than a Caprice).
Amazing to watch this dealer training video. Both cars rode on the same chassis. Monte Carlo development starting soon after 69 Grand Prix development began. The Monte is nice, but I will take the classic look of the Grand Prix.
My 71 GP is a rare bench seat model,it's in great shape and is driven on nice days.I am the 2nd owner and love this car,getting ready to go for a ride now.
the base grand prix in 1970 was a great car, fast fun to drive, it had the power to push it through turns that made it fell alot lighter than it was, and could really take a beating.
I find it hard to believe Chevy marketing threw the other GM divisions under the bus.
Like Pontiac and Oldsmobile. Rule number one, never compete with yourself!
Yeah..monte.has a chevelle dash board..and cheap seats..get a 400.with the grand prix..better wheels...more horses.
I often wondered what percentage of GM's marketing/advertising budget was used to compete against itself. Was it 25% or 35% or.......?
This is a sales training filmstrip meant for Chevrolet dealerships. If the prospect mentions the Grand Prix, the Chevrolet salesman uses the positioning recommended here to point out the advantage of the Monte Carlo. Losing a sale to another GM division is just as bad as losing it to Ford or Chrysler from the salesman's perspective.
Actually, it was the competition of autonomous divisions (General Motors was a holding company, there were no "GM" products) that kept the competitive edge sharp. Between Pontiac, Buick, and Olds there was always one falling behind and needing a push to catch up. All together GM had a self-imposed 50% market share, and Chevrolet alone had 25%. It was going to a "GM Corporate" central organization that killed GM. What's their market share now?
i also had a 1962 grand prix with tri power and a 4 speed, my all time favorite car
Back when GM divisions competed, I'd take the GP over the cheap Chevy copy any day.
@TheJanka51 That's back in the day when GM built nice cars. 1971 on back were the best.
I'm with you Anthony, give me the GP over the Monte Carlo any day of the week!
@Stormy D. Some of their cars were but most were not. There were door handles falling off, bumpers falling off because of rust between opposing metals, camshafts wearing out because of poor heat treating. Now those problems no longer exist. GM today builds great cars as does Ford.
@Stormy D. Fords are fine. Don't forget, I live in Michigan and the GM cars rotted badly here. The Crown Vic, the Grand Marquis, and the Buick LeSabre with the 3800v6 are fabulous cars. As far Ford not making cars, the Japanese are going to follow suit. Ford still makes lincoln Sedans and Mustangs and they make Fusions and make cars in other countries. Companies discontinuing cars has nothing to do with the quality because they are built on the same chassis as smaller SUVs and crossovers. I teach automotive electronics and emissions and all automakers are getting most of their smaller parts from the same suppliers.
I had a 1976 Monte bought new. It had over 200,000 miles when I sold It. Rusted doors and the obligatory cracked dash. Best GM motor of all time- 350ci. I owned every Chevy motor V8 except the 409. 265, 283, 305, 307, 327, 350, 383, 400(Siamese cylinders), 427 and 454. Never blew an engine, spun a bearing, threw a rod, broke a timing chain, wore out cams, etc. Amazing what engine maintenance will do for YOU. I drove over 2,000,000 miles on their engines.
Strange how 2 GM divisions competed. The styling is purely subjective. GM's Pontiac division was styled and marketed as a slight step up from a Chevy. The GP SJ optioned with the 455HO gave nothing up on performance.
I prefer the cockpit design instrument panel of the Grand Prix...the Monte Carlo just added simulated wood to a Malibu instrument panel.
@@SpockvsMcCoy And that instrument panel was part of the Special Instrumentation option on Malibu and SS Chevelle models
I own a 69 Grand Prix and love it, also owned a 71 Monte Carlo, I never could get attached to it like I did the Grand Prix, bu in the video he talks about the quarter lights and said the 70 only had reflectors, but 1970 was the year that the quarter extension was a light not a reflector like the 69, I took the extension lights out of a 70 and put into my 69. And also the guy that was incharge if the build of the 70 monte was also the guy that built the 69 Grand Prix, me John delorian.
I thought in 68 side marker lights were required. Plymouth tried to use refex with no lights. In 68 Plymouth had side lights. GM in 68 had side markers on all cars. GM was a year ahead on the locking steering wheel. Does anybody know why with a tilt wheel, on any car the switch was moved out on the column vs a non-tilt column. Was it to make room inside the column for the tilt wheel ? Always wondered that. I have a friend with 69 GP. Those side marker lights come on.
the commentator was a riot ,he was scolding the bad pontiac .
This was a film for Chevrolet salespeople. It wasn't a commercial...basically a "For Your Eyes Only" sales tool. Lots of fun to watch. Thanks Manny Torres!
I sold my 1976 Monte Carlo after I drove over 200,000 miles on the stock 350 engine. I bought it new and it had rusted door bottoms from the poor drainage and a cracked upper dash(the speaker in the center). The windows had no post and the doors would sag on the hinges from their weight. Also, I changed the oil every 2,000 miles and it burned a quart between every change so I added a half quart every 1,000 miles. My dad thought I changed the oil too often but he blew his Caddy (1978) engine by NOT changing his oil often enough.
I love first generation MONTE CARLO CAR'S!!!!!!!!
Yes,70-72
Me too...was my second car ever.
I like the simpler exterior of the monte carlo but the Pontiac seems so much nicer inside. The grand prix just seems like more car even at a higher price. The extra $800 was probably worth it.
One thing that was, I believe, unique to the GP was those rocker-grip door handles. I don't know if I'd like having to do the little hand-trick needed to get them out every morning, but the first time I ever heard anyone not-on-TV use the word "groovy" was when I asked my next-door neighbor about the handles on his father's GP.
You know 🎶 Groovin on a Sunday afternoon Groovin couldn't get away too soon 🎶🎹
LOL my 69 gp came with 350 stock horse. 100 horse less on the monte. still love my dash over the monte
A SS 454 Monte C is a tuff act to follow, but a 428 cid/390hp, 4sp. Grand Prix is the car that could do it. Now where's that order form....
0:33 Notice how they stretch the photo of the Monte so it barely fits the page, while the GP, 0:52 , is squeezed to make it look shorter and stubbier than it was? One reason for that extra $862 was that the GP was built on a unique 118" wheelbase while the Monte used the 116" wheelbase of the 4 door Chevelle. It seems that the bodies on each are closer to the size of the 2 door A-bodies, since both have a huge stretch between the front-door-seam and the front wheel, but the GP should be a little better balanced with a big-block engine.
After all that, you call a Pontiac engine a "big block"
Grand Prix for the win!
My brother has owned both. 1970 Monte and the Grand Prix. I've driven both of those and prefer the Pontiac. The Monte got better fuel mileage. The Pont. GP had much more h.p. and handling and the build quality was superior to the Monte. I got 27mpg with the Monte. 17-18.5 with the GP Pontiac. Still a lot better than today's B.S.cars in overall categories.
Was that the 454 or was that a small block version? Because I know the 454SS probably got closer to 8-10
Grand prix all day every day
there,s no way I would choose a Monte Carlo over a Grand Prix.
I'm with you on that One buddy. I got a 70 Grand Prix (J)
@@theMister07 I had a 69 GP J Model, beautiful car.
The GP definitely looks better!
I have a 1970 monte carlo that i got on my 16 birthday back in 1970 when the car came out still completely stock and I remember this commercial it brings back so much memories
i was almost expecting the narrator to just call the grand prix a pathetic excuse of a car...lol.....and go figure that both of these are General Motors products.
GM was not yet fully integrated in 1970 (no GMAD yet, for example) as they would be by 1984, when everything they made would be designed, built, and marketed by GM no matter which brand label was stuck to it. In 1970, the divisions were still mostly antonymous and competed against each other almost as much as against other non GM brands, and in some cases more since they had to compete with their siblings for a share of the same pile of money (sibling rivalry). That's why products from the various divisions of GM in 1970 had far more variation than in 1984, when the auto media and Ford excoriated them for so-called"badge engineering". By 1970 there were signs of the troubles to come though, when GM corporate forced a half-baked, GM corporate-conceived mess of a project onto Chevy that Chevy never wanted (Vega), and told them to "make it work". There are some good insider books about GM in that era that help explain the massive internal shift that was underway inside GM at that time. It was a fight for survival between the divisions.
Two people in my family had both of these cars. One of my cousins had a '78 Monte Carlo and one of my uncles had a '76 Grand Prix. Both cars had their similarities and differences. Underneath they were the same car.
You must be off on the years. 78 was the first year of the downsized GM intermediate cars. The 76 GP was probably a foot or so longer and 500+ lbs heavier than the 78 Monte. You are correct that these cars were basically the same when built on the same platform. 70-72, 73-77 and 78-87.
Had both, love both...
My 454 ss monte was stolen but,
still have my G/P..
Hey,I own a '72' Pontiac Grand prix!!!
Hey I owned a black 72 GP for most of the 1980's.
Thanks for sharing this. Interesting comparison and the SS Monte Carlo is quite a nice car! Obviously Chevy wanted to get in on the sales action following the 69 GP success and the price was substantially cheaper. Note the base GP had the 350 horse engine and the GP could be ordered with the 455 and a 4 speed. The Monte Carlo SS 454 was an automatic only but you could get a 4 speed with the 402 Chevy. Both great cars!
Didn't they still call the 402 "396"?
@@MisterMikeTexas It's confusing, in Chevelle it was called 396. In Camaro it was called 396. In El Camino it was called 396. In Nova it was called 396. In Impala and Monte Carlo it was called 400. It was really 402 but never called a 402 starting in 1970.
The Monte Carlo looked exactly like what it was: a more formal Chevelle (they shared the same basic platform). The Grand Prix of this generation never looked like a more formal Lemans. The styling was so different, you'd never guess the Grand Prix and Lemans shared the same chassis. The Grand Prix was a much better overall performer, was better insulated and had a higher quality feel in some of the materials used inside. And having the dash basic controls you often reach for in an ergonomic design tilted toward the driver is far better than having them beyond arm's reach away. The Monte's handling was slop city too compared to the better handling Grand Prix.
I believe the GP/Monte chassis was either an adaptation of the full-size platform or it's own chassis until 1973. My brother has a '73 GP, wheelbase is a little shorter because it was now on the mid-size platform. But you're right, the Grand Prix's style was second to none. This is interesting to watch how Chevy salespeople were trained to spin stuff lol.
I had a 1976 Pontiac Grand Le Man's. They called it the baby Grand Prix. Le Man's had GP's dashboard. The Le Man's was on a 112 wheel base.
Grand Prix and Monte Carlo were on 116 wheel base. I never knew why the Grand Le Man's didn't out Sale the Cutlass. Mom had a 72. 350. It would fly. Oldsmobile didn't even offer a 6 cylinder in 72. Even the base Cutlass had the 350 standard. I receive Car Collectible Automobile. They had an article about why Le Man's was the underdog compared to other GM divisions. The dashboard was the best looking of any other divisions. I wish I had kept it. Factory 8 track. Playing the Bee Gees, American, Bread. Great music in the 70s. Pontiac Always A Cut Above. There pitch then. Chevrolet, Building a better way to see the USA. Wouldn't you rather have a Buick this year. Oldsmobile, Always a Step ahead. Cadillac. 😢 The Stardard of the world.
Never was a big fan of the look of either of these cars (prefer the GTO and chevelle look). That being said in 1970 they were not comparable cars, the GP was a much higher end car, the GP used a unique boxed 118” frame, massively more soundproofing and much higher trim level inside the car, especially the door panels and dash which made it feel like a sporty Cadillac. The Monte Carlo uses the regular open 4 door sedan chevelle frame along with basically the same dash and door panels. It can be optioned up to be a really nice car but it drove like a higher trim level chevelle which is precisely what it was.
Real Talk.
Nailed it.
Absolutely agree!
Truth
Both nice, but the GP is a step above. More dramatic styling, more standard features, standard bigger engine, cockpit style interior, instrument panel and console on the GP makes the Monte's interior look spartan.
I had a 70 Monte Carlo love it I like how GM Divisions competed against each other when all the parts came out the same parts Ben and use the same frame the good old days!!
Looks to me like the 1970 Ford Thunderbird stole some cues from the 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix front end styling.
Also correct. Bunkie Knudson left GM and went to Ford and demanded the TBird have that nose treatment.
@@alxf66 And Lee Iacocca was instrumental in convincing Henry Ford II to dismiss Knudsen after only about a year and a half. Many Ford stylists hated his T-Bird beak but were powerless to prevent it from going into production. The insurance companies considered the design a collision risk and increased premiums.
Seems the GP and the Lincoln Mark III started an industry-wide trend toward more pronounced central grills and hood bulges, as if cars were returning to the days when the fenders were totally separated from the hood. As the 1970s wore on, part of this might have been a way of doing something with the extra bulk they had to add to the front ends of their cars to meet the new crash and bumper regulations.
And you would be correct. The other persons who,responded to your comment are spot on. Bunkie Knudsen was at GM where he influenced Pontiacs famous beak. He then went to Ford, where he lasted about 2 years. He heavily influenced Ford styling. Gave us what Ford designers called the " Bunkie beaks "
Not just the T Bird always thought it looked like the Lincoln Mark 5 stylistically got all its style cues from the 1969 and early 1970s Pontiac Grand Prix
This would be like watching Ford Mustangs trashing Mercury Cougars.This is a screwy commercial.It's all GM, all on the same team....
Nope. In 1970 GM divisions were not on the same team at all. Sibling rivalry within GM was very much a thing in those days. There are lots of good books out there about GM of the 60s and 70's and the forced integration of the GM brands that hadn't happened yet in 1970 but was on the way. By 1984, the old, semi antonymous "vertical" GM divisions that existed in 1970 had gone away, and since then there are really no divisions of GM, at least not in the way they existed before. In the "new" GM, everything was (is) conceived, designed, built, and marketed by corporate GM no matter what brand name is slapped on it. 1970 was a different world.
This isn't a commercial for the general public but a in house sales demo film for Chevrolet sales staff
Dont get too carried away. This was for Chevrolet's dealer sales force. Back in those days Chevrolet knew GM's customer base was huge and wanted to make people considering a Pontiac or even an Oldsmobile take a look at a Chevrolet automobile. The Monte Carlo and Grand Prix maybe was on the same platform but hardly ever shared anything in common. This was when GM was really GM, before they over reacted to the 1973 oil crisis and made some huge mistakes right up into the 1980's. GM Division's cars drove differently and felt differently while having GM's for the time good quality, that's what people liked about GM cars.
@@AnthonyEvelyn GM cars at this time shared basically the same chassis. The main difference was in the drivetrain. Each make had their own engine designs that shared almost nothing. Transmissions were all Turbo Hydromatic automatics, Muncie manual gear boxes were most prevalent. Differentials were also manufactured by each division but were also shared. The vaunted 12 bolt was made by Chevrolet but was shared with the other divisions for high performance applications for most muscle cars. Pontiac built high performance rears for the performance oriented full sized cars. Oldsmobile used their own designed rear for their high performance muscle cars.
The announcer actually says the Grand Prix’s design is unimaginative!
What they don't tell you is the $244 SJ option gave you 370 hp 455, gauges, 12 bolt rear end, HD turbo 400, cornering lamps and a manual trans was standard. I've never seen a 4 speed 454 MC.
That's because the only one that had the four speed was a 402 engine!!!!!
@Kathleen Shaw in 1970, 71 or 72 if it had a 455, it had a 12 bolt with a Pontiac. Pontiac used the 4 pinion 10 bolt if it had a 3.36 gear and up.
@Kathleen Shaw It had a nodular center section.
The 1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo had a 402 V-8 with a 4-speed manual
I'd buy the Grand Prix over the Monte Carlo in a heartbeat.
same here!
My brother had one of them 454 ones and it would move pretty good.
I'm with a few of you guys, Chevy really came in kinda strong on bashing the Pontiac GP, it truly is subjective. I get a kick out of the narrators voice change in tone when he brags about the MC, then he mentions the GP's flaws and his tone changes darker, lol... I lost count as to how many negative features he mentioned.... Chevy must have had some axe to grind with the Pontiac division in those year of introducing the MC... BTW, although I've owned two 72' MC, I think both cars are great. GP does have a bit more luxury clout using quality materials in the interior and exterior stainless steel trim, also had more complex wiring and gauges, etc.. Hence the $862.00 higher price difference.
The line about your bike having reflectors is great.
@@slowformula "with Grand Prix hashmark reflectors, you remember reflectors? your bicycle had them" Ha ha ha!!! What a ham!!!
Did Buick and Oldsmobile ever compete against each other like that with the 1966 to 1970 Riviera/Toronado siblings!
John Delorean switched from Pontiac to Chevrolet around that time before leaving GM in 1973. I speculate that could.be the reason.
GP any day
General Motors was the parent, who let the kids fight to learn a lesson. "OK boys, have at it"
I liked the GP better, but the Monte Carlo had the better V-8s. Would love to have a Monte Carolo SS with buckets and fully loaded today!
Not sure what you mean by "better V-8" my 70 GP was a beast and the Monte Carlo's I raced were pathetic!
The 455 GP was a little quicker than the 454 MC for '70
My favorite car a 1970Monte Carlo,I couldn't keep my big foot out of the 4bArrel carb,and staying in jail,oh the good old days!!!!!!!
yeah I remember that button on the floor panel, I love to hear that noise!!!!!
Back in those days the Chevrolet division was vicious and ruthless towards the Pontiac division. I read the transcript of an interview that John DeLorean gave later in life - remember that he worked for both divisions in the 60's and 70's. Said that Ed Cole - who was in charge of Chevrolet was so angry that Pontiac was beating the pants off of Chevrolet in both innovations and sales that anything new that came out of the division was to be quashed. One of the Pontiac engineers had produced a combination of power disc brakes that was years ahead of it's time. When Ed Cole found out about it - he killed the program in spite regardless of the safety value. DeLorean said those brakes would have saved GM no less than 15 years of trial end error in regards to braking technology. Ed Cole did not care.
Kinda funny because Pontiac don’t exist no more, guess we know the better brand now😂
Ed Cole sounds like a real arsehole
I'd think that it's almost certain death, for a company's divisions to compete with each other. I'm surprised that GM made it out alive.
Competition makes you better
I mean I know you're Superman and all. Done a lot of good deeds over the years. But if you truly mean that statement (which I doubt you do)... then you're no hero of mine. Competition does make you better... for a while. Even in a business. It spurs a better and/or more economical product... for less. Even some degree of badge engineering is beneficial. But when you take it so far as your divisions are competing with each other for customers... then you have some serious internal problems in your business. It's serious waste.
@@Tnenamrep2 I think that at this time in history, (before imports ruled the road) GM as a whole owned a huge portion of the sales market in North America. The divisions were much more like autonomous car companies and were not just badge engineered products, therefore they could afford healthy competion among themselves.
GM really didn’t make it out alive. They did a Chapter 11 filing and Pontiac and Oldsmobile died.
You sold me,I got the Monte Carlo...would still like a Gran Prix as well though.(I used to own a '71)
I bought the 1971 GP with 400 cu motor used in 1972 for $3500. It was the best car I would ever own in my lifetime. I drove it 800 miles every weekend for 2 and 1/2 years during the days of an oil embargo. Never once did it leave me stranded except one time I ran out of gas out on the interstate. Stuck out my thumb and got picked up in 2 minutes, driven to a gas station where they loaned me a can with a spout for $2 and driver took me back to my car. Those were the days. I had the bucket seats, climate control, center console and fold out armrest panel, leather interior.
It was my first love, and I still wish we could be together once more just to touch my butt on her driver's side bucket seat. I would pick up swoops, and pull out loaded in 2 minutes. Where ever I pulled up, the people knew........I was of a different class....... Next project for Fischer Body was the Safari Van..........I watch them level the Fisher Body plant, and haul it away to the dump, from my window. It took almost 2 years and sadly now, its an Amazon fulfillment warehouse.
Never had a GP but I have a 71 Monte Carlo right now so I’m bias Montes Vs the world 🦾
The Monte Carlo was always known as the poor mans Grand Prix.
I'll take a 455 grand prix over the monte carlo any day of the week. sitting in the pontiac driver's seat was like sitting in a cockpit! I had 2 of them. great cars!
The GP was a far superior car. This propaganda promo is a joke lol.
I had a 70 GP, it would do the 140 on the speedo quickly!
I loves both of them. These was very popular two door couples
You remember reflectors, your bicycle had them ... Wow brutal !!
Honestly that video would have sold me on the Grand Prix if I didn't already love GP's.
That's what I was thinking when watching it and I would think most people thought the GP was the superior car even though I always loved the Pontiac and especially the GP
The yr i was born 1970 50 yrs coming this year A frame cars chevelle skylark Lemans cutluss Grand Prix Monte Carlo
I am not convinced! I’ll stick with the Pontiac, thank you.
I think it's funny that they talk about computer chosen coil spring s in 1970 computers were so basic back then
1970, The one you wanted was the Chevelle SS with the LS6.
Pontiac any day hands down!!! Grand Prix had style and power! My 70 GP had a 140 MPH speedo and would bury it quickly!
Let’s be honest. The GP had the ugliest front end ever. Monte Carlo all the way. It was a sexy beast.
Still driving my folk's '71 Monte!
I'd take either ...or both!
That '70 Gran Prix is SO much better looking inside and out. Also, the narrator is wrong about the GP's "hash mark (bicycle) reflectors", those were actually lights! Illuminated side markers were required on ALL domestic cars produced starting with the 1968 production year. Notice that these very cool lights were high up on the GP's tail fin for superior visibility. Even the front side markers were high up. Not anything like MC's side markers which are all buried in the rocker panel area at the bottom of each fender. A very stooooopid idea. Gran Prix styling was classy, Monte Carlo styling was Chevy.
jupitr2 Actually all the 1969 Chrysler cars had Reflector Styled Side Markers... they did not illuminate! lol
US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS #108) required side marker lights OR reflectors in 1968 and 1969 and was amended to specify side marker lights AND reflectors in 1970. The reason why Chrysler switched from lights to reflectors from 1968 to 1969 was because then-newly appointed Product Planning, Styling and Engineering Vice President Leroy Bornhouser thought that the side light designs didn't integrate nicely with the fenders, so in order to save time and money, non-illuminated reflectors were used for the 1969 models. (More information about that can found here: www.allpar.com/model/charger-sidelights.html .)
All 1969-72 Pontiac Grand Prix models had the same integrated side marker light-and-reflector design.
My 1969 Camaro SS 350 has side marker lights that first came out on the 1968 Camaros .
I had a 69 and a 72 grand prix and my brother had a 70 Monte the grand prix was a much nicer car both in style and performance the grand prix also handled way better sure the Monte had big bumpers but that's about the only thing a little better the Monte like most Chevrolets looked kinda cheap on the inside.
the GP 400 or 455 cid used the turbo 400 trans or a 4 speed rare. the MC SS 454 or SB 400 CID also used the turbo 400
Last year's 69 GP 428 H.O. would rap e the panties of the 454 monte.
You can't beat the door handles & fighter dash
This is so weird to see. The two cars are literally the SAME basic modified A-Body GM car "The G-Body designation was originally used for the 1969-1972 Pontiac Grand Prix and 1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo personal luxury cars."
I love the Grand Prix
GadZOOKS Man! I love the Monte but the Grand Prix is awesome too and looks about the same to me?
I got those 2 Monte Carlo vintage captures like this guys!
"You remember reflectors, your bicycle had them. I'm using the past tense because I just stole it..."
I will take the Grand Prix anyday
MC all day every day 🏹
Can’t understand why the ad negatively comparing one car if both share the same platform under the same parent company.
I want the front face clip from the Grand Prix on a Monte Carlo 454 SS body with Grand Prix Seats and a Monte Carlo instrument panel.
Odd, I've had BOTH-- had a 70 MC and a 70 GP... lOVED both of them- Customized the Monte Carlo-- 2 weeks later my now EX- wrecked it or one of the guys she was running around with did.. Since it had the pasenger side virtually SHAVED off-- (hit a pole dead center- and it looked like you just sawed the passenger side off) and she never had a scratch-- might have been one of her "boyfriends.!! The GP was MINE- exclusively- had no wife at that time-- thank googness- and LOVED it. Wish is had it back. It was 455 black on black sports package with the padded steering wheel from the factory!!! LOVED that car.. *automatic as I was truck driver and sick of clutches!!! ha.
This was a promo for Chevy dealers to show to their salesmen.
I can tell, it's utter nonsense in fact it's propaganda lol
Je préfère quand même la Pontiac Grand Prix, Chevy Monte Carlo good and cool, but Pontiac Grand Prix best and beast
J'en ai eu une 1970 Grand Prix 400 4 barrils SJ gold ça été le meilleur char que j'ai possédé.
mon ami avait une 69 GP 428 H.O. elle bouvait son 69 GTX 440!
@@MontrealMan1970 Sûrement! La 428 c'était une édition spéciale 4 vitesses plus performante que le 455
A clear case of sibling rivalry and family in-fighting.
give me the grand prix any day...
That's the way it was. Pontiac had to share the upper belt line of the Chevrolet including the glass. Compare the 67 Impala and the Catalina . Same for the Camaro and Firebird. Buick and Olds had to also share . The only division that didn't was Cadillac .
I like how Chevrolet says that the radio and lighter are not accessable to the passenger. The new C8 Corvette is very much for the driver. They have so divided the car that the passenger pretty much has to sit and just look out the window. The display screen is totally cut off from the passenger. I guess current Chevrolet engineers didn't see this video.
I had a white 1970 Grand Prix model j. It was running machine. My little brother had Leukemia. I drove he from enterprise Alabama to Birmingham Alabama to the children’s hospital in one hr. And fourth five minutes. It was flat out the whole trip. The state Troopers let me go because of n knowing about my brother needing to get to the hospital as fast as Possible. It was the end of the 400 engine but I had it rebuilt. Great car should have never sold it!
The 1969 428 Ho grand price was the best of the best, John was the designer of the 69 grand price, and in 69 that was the last car he designed for Pontiac in 1970 he would become the designer for Chevy, he was also the designer of the Monte Carlo so that’s why the monte shared a lot of features of the Grand Prix, but in 1969 I thin 115,000 Grand Prix was built and sold maybe a little less don’t remember the number
The passenger should never touch the radio anyways
Correct!
Didn't these probably go down the assembly line together?
Grand Prix was a much nicer car .Styling inside and out. The Grand Prix interior was so much more luxurious. Although Monte Carlo you could get a 454 or a 402.
However, you could have ordered the Prix with the 455HO.
@@candycorn04 Not to mention a 421, 428,
Certainly for the higher price...although the Monte Carlo did have the price advantage ($862 was a month's salary for many people)
@@tomservo56954 yes I realize what people made then. My first job if I remember correctly was $2.00 an hour minimum wage. So if you were bringing home $ 900.00 a month in 1969 1970 you were doing Ok.
They don't tell you that the GP came with a regular 400 2 bbl with 265 hp, it gave you a credit and use reg gas, same for the bench seat. The used the same engine as a credit in 1969. Hard to believe that Delorean would allow Chevy to throw the GP under the bus when the GP was his baby and push the MC when he went to chevy in 1970.
No wonder GM went bankrupt with marketing like this. Pontiac was to Chevy what Mercury was to Ford. Chevy was the entry level division for GM. That’s not a knock, Chevy had some great cars, Monte Carlo was one of them. If you were willing to pay a bit more you could move up to Pontiac...a little bit better ride, more insulation so a quieter ride, little bit better resale. Chevy always sold more, because let’s face it, price is always a consideration. For some (me included) I was willing to pay a bit more for the extras. Not so much an “apples to oranges” comparison but more like oranges to tangerines...similar but definitely not the same
Mercury always was just a glorified Ford or a downgraded Lincoln while every gm division had its own unique character (at least until early 70s)
the GP and Mc were both the same GM siblings but they cosmetically look slightly different and the engines were different I like both they were still A bodies from the same plant
that's when GM were making great cars that's when GM had Fisher body making thier car bodies and chassis for them 👍👍👍
@@DavidR-ub2dp And that's when they really were and not just a slogan GM Body by Fisher The Mark Elegance!
I like both. Monte SS versus the GP would be a better comparison. If forced to choose just one it would be the GP. The Monte's lower price shows, especially on the interior. Too similar to a Chevelle, IMO, where the GP is clearly more upscale. I drove a '69 GP for many years. Nice car.
Couldn't agree with you more I always thought the GP stood head and shoulders above the MC thought the MC was just a cheap imitation of the GP
Both lovely, but the Pontiac is even better looking. The 72 GP is my favorite
I owned a 70 GP for about 3 years in my late college days. Brown w saddle interior and landau top. It had the 400 in it.
I know it's huge compared to today's coupes but man I thought that car was awesome. Still remember it.
Sounds fantastic, to me!
Same way I feel to this day about my 1964 GP my first car I bought while in the 11th grade in 1971 the car was in such immaculate shape they had it on a revolving pedestal in the new car showroom and as soon as I sat down inside that beautiful car I was in love with it and still miss it to this day!
Nothing quite sells a car like ‘our engine is less powerful!’
I would love to see current day car advertisers trash each other the way they do here. Hilarious.
It is interesting that the Monte Carlo was a compromise made to make the A-body special (G-body) possible. John DeLorean couldn't get the G-body Grand Prix for Pontiac UNLESS Chevrolet got its own version, which it did as shown in this video. Interesting, however, that 1970 Grand Prix sales plummeted after the Monte Carlo was introduced...so Chevy didn't really need to make this video!
Is the narrator Alex Trebek?
So glad we had a 70 Grand Prix and not a Monte Carlo.
My 1970 Grand Prix SJ 400 was better than a Monte Carlo.John Delorean
I had a base model 77 Grand Prix 301 stop with the smallest two barrel I've ever seen on a V8 the road good and I'll be damned if it didn't get really good gas mileage for size. Oh yeah and the air conditioner never died!
I bought a new '69 Grand Prix, it was flashy and I was a yuppie. It was OK but I wished I had kept my '67 Cougar XR7 that I traded in. I never felt connected to the GP.
70 monte carlo...true 5,000 lbs of steel...wasnt bad with small block 350 and three speed stick just first gear was a top instead of bottom
I had both, I like the Pontiac better.
My first and second cars were Grand Prixs. Third was an Astre. That was a terrible choice on my part.
Why not have both?
Kind of weird to see one of these videos down-selling another car from the same parent company.
I like the Monte Carlo better, but honestly, neither car is really my style. I would have opted for a Caprice or a Bonneville if I walked into a dealership in 1970 (probably a Bonneville, bigger and more stylish than a Caprice).