Suzuki SV650S v Kawasaki ER-6n v Hyosung GT650
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- Suzuki's hugely popular SV650S is light, masses of fun and comes with a tempting £4999 price tag. Now re-released, could this be the ultimate first big bike? To find out we took two new big bike riders and put it up against two of it's closest rivals - the Kawasaki ER-6n and Hyosung GT650...
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A moment of silence for all the Hyosung owners who took countless hits for the team to ensure Hyo earned enough money to finally get their shit together and produce a decent bike.
should I get hyosung gt650r or the mt07 as my first bike? Leaning towards the hyo just because it is half the price here. However I want some opinions. Cheers guys
Bro... your comment is so underrated and true.
@@edwinjoseph2163 both bikes have different purpose and character, what are the things that you look for when purchasing bike?
So we're Suzuki's subpar for 20+ years because Hyosung built them for Suzuki for that amount of time before they finally began making their own just because the name is unknown doesn't mean it's subpar in its build quality
There are an awful lot of people using the SV 650 as a track bike and with some very good results. It has an almost unlimited supply of upgrade and spare parts.
I've had 2 GPZ500's one early and one late(30k and 40k) and an ER500 (75k) Kawasaki parallel twins. They have always been great fun and really take the abuse in winter and miles. Easy to get to servicing.
lol at the Suzuki vs Hyosung comments :-p Yes the Suzuki is a nicer all round bike and yes the Hyosung has a noticeable power advantage. Both of which are covered in the video.
I just thought I'd comment for anyone looking at the Hyosung. I've had mine for 7 years now, clocked up 50000+km (mostly stop/start city riding with a few long trips and some runs in the twisties thrown in) and it hasn't skipped a beat. It's not the greatest looking machine and the fine details are average (although I have a 2007 model and they do look much better now) at best.
However what I think it has done is proven itself, to me at least, much as Suzuki had to do 40 years ago when everyone called it 'Jap trash'.
For city riding I get about 5-6L/100km usually around 5.7. On the open road it's almost exactly 5L/100km.
If Hyosung copied Suzuki's engine, they did a great job of significantly improving it and they really should've copied the chassis too because that's where this bike is lacking a bit.
Kawa wins though! Still thinking BMW for my first litre bike but I'm yet to test ride. Oh yeah, don't be afraid to test them yourself... A bike is a personal choice.
Safe riding to all :-)
***** Umm, try youtube review for riders from all counries, or petition MCN and see what they think about people from other countries using their reviews!
Sorry for my ignorance but I had to google road salt and I think any bike will suffer from this tbh, sounds like you have to be vigilant with the anti-rusting agents etc :-(
I recently upgraded anyhow, $1000 I got for my GT650 after spending $6000 on it brand new almost 8 years ago, it served me very well. Even if I had to bin it I wouldn't have felt ripped off!
Ride safe mate
I rode the 07 today and I was so gutted. I'm 6'4 and I felt like a twat. My knees were above the height of the fuel tank. I enjoyed it, even liked it, but no way could I live with it. Gutted. Don't like the sv, but also rode the Kwak er6f which I loved. Guna ride the the er6n and probably love that 2. Can't wait!
And if the hyosung is fastest, handles really well, is on-par quality-wise with the japanese AND is cheapest.... why isn't it first?
It's no where near as refined as the SV. It feels clunky and rough. And it's not as fast.. might be on paper but SV pulls it no problem.
I have one question. One year before you post this video, you posted one with title "2009 budget nakeds group test" and the winner for this comparative was the Suzuki SV650. Now one year after, you are saying that Kawasaki ER-6n is better.
I'm getting my GT650R this month, and I've been scouring youtube to find someone that has something good about the bike. This video and you comment made me soo much more excited! You sir, have my like
Thanks for posting this, i'm gettin the 09 sv650s for my first bike
i made 17000km in 1 year since i bought it almost all time on full throttle, i service it. it sounds nice,goes nice, acts nice on road i dont get why people are against korean bikes they are great.
in my country those who speak badly are the ones with the most valuable bike and on the road take shakes there indignant what they have to say is to speak bad ....
holy cow, an MCN video with a verdict. Agree with it or not, this is one of the extremely rare comparos that I've seen where they've actually talked about the bikes and then given their opinion on which is best.
All these bikes are good bikes to start with. And every rider has a different style of riding. I love my k8 sv650s and prefer it over the kawi... While my buddy swears his kawi is the most comfortable ride in the world. One thing to consider is maintenance and parts. Eventually there will be chain and sprocket swaps and various other tweaks to get the most out of your bike. It's a good idea to comoare parts and prices as well as learning about how to work on and fix your bike.
Guys... BMW F800R, this is the best naked in the group of under 1000cc twins. No doubt about it. And with Akrapović (even though I'm not a big fan of this manufacturer) it sounds better than all these small V-Twins. Really, check it out, bike is just awesome, great for city riding.
ER6 looks much more aggressive and modern. I'd take that over the rest just for looks. I havnt ridden them though so I cant make a full judgement
SV wins hands down for me on looks - it's only aesthetic let down is the exhaust. However, I wouldn't own another due to the lousy suspension and appalling fueling
14 years of improvement in brake technology between your ZXR and the Hyosung might explain why the Hyosung has better braking.
Why was the faired models of the Hyosung and Kawasaki not used? Or the unfaired SV used. Much better comparison.
The video shows the presenters and the riders faces not the bikes?
Yep. This review leaves you wondering what the bikes actually look like!
I believe that in order for Hyosung to gain respect as a brand and manufacturer they have to find their own culture, their own style and feel to them different to the Japanese. They need to work on the peculiarities of coming from South Korea. Look at KTM, how they ventured from doing exclusively off road to producing superbikes. They achieved their own success there because they are uniquely their own, they set their own trend. That is something Hyosung will need to do in the future.
Hyosung is their own thing though? Name a non-italian V-twin (in production today) and at this pricepoint id say its twice the value for money than a Ducati and you get the same sound and feel. I dont own Hyosung (i have a Suzuki GSX-R 750) but i would choose the Hyosung any day over these other two in the video.
@@copee599 Sv650
ive recently passed my test but am on a restricted licence, bought a yamaha fz6n s2 2008 and its brilliant, shame the damn 33 bhp has to be in it but still. Cost 245 quid for the restriction and fitting! all it is is a throttle stop too which has annoyed me, cant wait for this restriction to end although it would have far to much power for a first big bike almost 100bhp so in reality its a good thing its in.
The SV with full fairing looks really good.. but i stick with my vtr firestorm 4 now..
@Lamaj96 Many reasons. 1) Cheaper. 2) Bigger frame (250's anyway, which is what I'm restricted to). I want to upgrade to a sv650, and this bike helps me get used to the size. 3) bigger fuel tanks than most 4) Much better than Chinese bikes
I stand corrected. It appears you know more than the salesman who sold me my GV650. I still maintain they're better than anything Chinese built, but obviously not better than the Suzuki SV650. I haven't experienced any rusting chrome yet though as most are chrome over ABS plastic and i keep mine garaged overnight but i have had issues with the electrical system, in particular a £15 Fuel injection system relay switch which is on its 3rd one in 12 months. I carry a spare one now just in case.
I've owned a hyosung for 2 years. They are fine. Until it starts to go wrong, then parts are hard to find, and you realise that even simple things like nuts and bolts have been scrimped on. Every screw rounds its head off, every bold shears off making work a nightmare. The exhausts are riveted into the engine block :/ it makes it a very frustrating experience when things inevitably do go wrong. I would not buy one again. Mines off the the scrap yard.
What do you mean the SV is back? I think UK only, because on all the other suzuki sites the SV650 is not listed
The downpipe of the front cylinder on the suzuki is an absolute eyesore, ruins the whole look of the bike.
not likeing that they dinged the sv for clip ons but didn't mention there is a naked version with handlebars
i sold my 1994 ZXR750 for a 2008 hyosung gt 650. i know there is a couple of years between them but the kawasaki almost remains the same. my hyosung sounds better has a flatter torque curve and the breaks have alot more stopping power. also if you use it for street use like me the gt 650 has more upright seating position more kind to you on a trip.
from my experience the only bad stuff you hear about the hyosung is from people that havent taken one for a ride or owend one.
@Flamorgan Let me start that Suzuki was founded in 1909... Hyosung was founded in what, 2005? Even on the video it states that the Hyosung was was based on the old SV650 engine meaning 1999 to 02... Upgraded in 03, 05, 07 and 09.
The SV650 is a budget bike because it does not have top of the line suspension like the one seen on the GSXR line up... However it comes with low end Showa or KYB suspension... What brand are the suspension components are the Hyosung?
If you have to choose between Er6n to Ninja 250 or 650 which one you will choose sir ? My style is touring and I need some suggestion for big bike for beginner too. Thank you sir.
They finally invested into a proper camera and sound!! I'm impressed lool nah seriously, for me I would hesitate between the Hyosung and the Kawasaki.
Ive just turned 16 and im doing my CBT on Sunday. Im already looking towards the future, would you reccomend getting a used version of one of these or something like a CBR400 when i turn 17 and have done my Full UK Motorcycle licence.
Also, what would be a rough estimate for insurance on something like a 400/650 for a 17 year old?
Thanks
Is the Kawasaki ER-6n a good bike for beginners at
@ijsHD i would go for the sv as its got plenty of torque and even when its restricted it is not affected as much as the other bikes as it has a lot of power low down. i also have a sv650s which is restricted
@slunkmonky If it's parts you're worried about, don't... the motor has BY FAR the most aftermarket and factory support of any of these three, and it continues on in the DL650 (for the most part). Parts might be an issue 30 years from now, but then, in 30 years, only the Suzuki will still be running anyway :)
good video MCN!
power, fuel efficiency, and durability.
power: must be better than my Gs500F.
Fuel efficiency: most efficient in its class
Durability: Best in its class.
I have nothing against the Kawasaki, but 1) I find it its hugly 2) the frame is well known to brake where the engine is mounted. 3) can't mess with a V2 engine
can when the v twin is an absolute pig to work on
Yay, the sv is back
The dude with the glasses is so memeable 😂 too goofy
@Flamorgan Dual Over Head Cams (DOHC) means 2 cams per head... 2 heads = 4 Camshafts... Quad Cams would mean 4 cams per head... 2 heads = 8 Camshafts... I may be wrong but there is no such thing... Bigger Rotors does not necessarily mean better brakes... Suzuki are made by Nissin.... What brand are the Hyosung brakes, Also do they come with stainless braided brake lines from the factory? That would be nice...
Hyosung any day, i'm still only on a gt125 but i've ridden a yzf r125, marauder 125, klx 125 and a cbr 125 and i'd say without a doubt the hyosung is the best even if it's money no object
@GGBULLETz do your homework mate.The xj6 was a brand new model in 2009.It replaced the xj600.
SV's are better than ER-6s, they just are!
hello, anyone could write the outcome of the comparison, what they talked about each of the bikes? I'm struggling to understand what they are talking.
write without slang, thanks.
@Flamorgan RC31 = Honda Hawk GT Right? They stop making it in 1991... How much experience do you have riding? My riding is limited to 87 CR80, 02 CR250, 01 Yamaha R1, 05 SV650, and a 07 GSXR750... I like the power of my GSXR750... But my SV650 rides much better... I do have some $3,000.00 US on suspension work... :D On the local race track I give the 600cc and 750cc super sports a good run for their money.. :D
okay now that u r talkin about this.... yes they are big bikes compared to 125s but depending on what a rider expects from a bike, these 650 standards could be all they will ever want! and let's be honest, unless you're tracking you're 1000cc sport bikes, you're not using the power it has on the streets! or at least legally!
Not the same principal at all. His point was that Italians are famous for producing top spec super cars, yet Indonesia has no heritage at all. Italy and Germany (Lamborghini and Audi) both have incredibly strong motoring heritage.
which one is better for taller guys like 6.3"
I call BS. The SV650S was by far the best in that category
Would a bottom sv faring fix that?
very true even china is starting to make fairly reliable machines i have a scooter that i bought used from a sloppy previous owner and I have driven 3k miles on it my own and nothing has been wrong with it other than cheap paint on some parts *which i fixed myself* and cheap switches *lights etc* the engine is very reliable and has never gave me problems
Is it just me who find the SV super unconfortable? Everyone keeps saying how comfy it is... I ride 40 minutes each way to work and I get weird rear/lower neck pain after 30 minutes of riding due to trying to keep my head up! Mine's K9 650sport
huiputka1 Just imagine how you'd fair on a sportbike.
@Flamorgan Do you think that because they are USD forks they are better?
As far as power I would like to see a sV650 and a Hyosung GT650 on the same dynomometer... Also the GT650 is a pig at 421 lbs dry... While the SV650 is at 364 lbs dry...
Also on the race grit, you see more Suzuki SV650 than Kawasaki 650 or Hyosung 650 that is a fact... Also check on Ebay for parts: SV650 - 15,189 parts... Kawasaki 650 - 3, 564 parts... Hyosung 650 - 1,697 parts... I take it you do not own an SV650... :D
@Flamorgan Yeah but they only have 2 cams per head, one intake and one exhaust... Therefore DOHC... I think the SV650 is the best of the bunch because it is more reliable and also it is better if you want to move up to high performance sport riding, track days and eventually racing... You can easily get parts everywhere... You can get suspension and performance upgrades from the GSXR line up... If I was going to buy a new bike, I would save my money, and go with a BMW S1000RR or a Aprilia RSV4 R
@bench175 Funny thing is that Hyosung makes the Suzuki engine and ships it to Japan.
@DuranXL this is a very good question, i just got my par licence and took every 600cc bike i could for a test ride and i thought the hoysung was a blast, it was the least expensive one, the most fun,although it was hevier than the other bikes it had a solid strong feel to it.. i thought it would hav definitely been the first pic..
@slunkmonky
A discontinued SV will be easier to service and find parts for than ANY Hyosung.
9 years later and Hyosung parts are still easily available........
This is such a subjective issue. Everyone needs to buy the bike that fits them best, that is in their price range. With current technology, almost any used 2006 to 2009 bike can be a great bike - if it fits the person who plans to ride it. I will always prefer the lighter, shorter wheelbase bike and will gladly give up 30 hp for 50 to 70 lb less weight. I have a 6' 3" 250 lb buddy who actually needs the size and power of a literbike. I have had both SVs , and will always recommend the naked.
@Lamaj96 To be honest I have no love for this bike I have. It's merely a stepping stone, and it does it ok. Unfortunately, there's a certain stigma associated with riding hyos, and personally I would like to upgrade as soon as I can. So yes, you were actually right in saying that I didn't like it but bought it anyway, to fill certain purposes. I can attest to build quality. Mine is already starting to rust (8months old). And no, I hate ninjas. I would rather have this hyo than one of those
@DaJokern Good enough sound that it's BAD but you are willing to live with it...
@DuranXL It really isn't on par with japanese quality yet. I own a 2010 one. It's ok, but it's build quality is really not up there.
went to a hyosung dealer from far away these bikes look reall good but when you look at the welds etc are horrible! i would never want one unless they clean all the things up. but they may be like honda ill givem a years it may just be in america idk
@raghu100star As far as power I would like to see a sV650 and a Hyosung GT650 on the same dynomometer... Also the GT650 is a pig at 421 lbs dry... While the SV650 is at 364 lbs dry...
@Flamorgan LOL So since the Hyosung makes more power, lets see... Hyosung 458 lbs / 80 hp = 5.725 lbs/hp - SV650 364 lbs / 70hp = 5.2 lbs/hp... I guess that means the SV will pull away for the Hyosung... I have a hard time believing that a bike build and crated in Japan was put together in Spain. Also The SV650 has been EFI since 2003... And they had DOHC since 1999... Where did you see a quad cam? 4 cams on the front cylinder and another 4 cams on the rear cylinder. :D I don't think so...
wow, the first sensible comment you've posted. what bike do you have?
Cannot wait for non-US Anglosphere people to pronounce Korean names properly. It's not Hai-o-sung; it's Hyo-sung--one phoneme, not two. You'd be closer if you dropped the H altogether and just said Yo-sung.
That said, good review. Can't wait for South Korea to repeal its highway motorcycle ban and get Hyosung and Daelim to start making world-class stuff, and hopefully deliver some real variety to the sportsbike scene.
@fatfree0 what? the gsxf has a IL4 engine, the sv is a vtwin engine
my 10 year old sv at 17 cost me 500 quid for a year, no ncb too..
although should go down now as i am 18
my brother in law passed his bike test his first bike is a sv650s do you think it bit big for your first bike
I got my license 2 month ago, i bought a 2008 SV650 and it fits my skills level perfectly. It's not scary, but you can have a lot, and i mean a lot of fun with it.
Moby Dick
You mean a Gladius ?
Moby Dick
I may be wrong but Suzuki replaced the Sv650 in 2009 for the Gladius (which was kinda like the Sv anyway) and are reviving the Sv name in 2017. In the whole world.
Moby Dick
I think it's called the SFv then. Not the Sv.
Moby Dick
Oh okay sweetheart, i though we were talking about the Sv. Not the Svs. lol
with a realistic head on, al you need is a 650 or a 600 supersport in the city!
Get a NICE SUZUKI 650 BANDIT AND YOU WOULD HAVE A WINNER, DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE A BANDIT S. BANDITS ARE MAGICAL
Salesmen will say anything to sell something, even lie outright. Some are just ignorant of the facts. I`ve lost count on the number of times i`ve heard a bullshit line from someone trying to sell me something.They trip up when they come across someone who actually knows more about it than they do and quickly change the subject.
I was actually browsing youtube for the 2012 model Hyosung gv650i as i quite like the look of it and am currently looking for a 2nd bike.Don`t think i will buy one though
Hyosung was licensed under Suzuki to build bike's weren't they ?
I passed all these bikes up for the Yamaha xj6. Why wasn't it in this group?
@MrKurt86 Hi mate I know your comment is quite old on here but I'm after a bit of advice did you really like the gf650r how does it handle e.t.c I just got an insurance quote on one there AI cheap :)
just go with the 650, 250 easy to get bored with, if you are afraid then better start with a moped or a scooter, riding a bike is all about courage, there are people who start with a 1kcc bike with no problem, you wont regret starting on a 650
Would it really matter? Both would be in the shop so much you wouldn't notice the difference
@SVXR650
They have build small Suzuk imodells several years for the korean market.
Neither a SV or a Hyosung is superbikes - take it for what it is - its both cases a good entry to be a biker.
Hyosung with 2 years warrenty -( Suzuki with 1 year)
Credits the GT 650’s engine use of roller bearings vs the SV’s plain bearings as “the reason for the extra horsepower.
Its not a copy.
And its NOT bad
becauseYou have choosen to buy and ride SV - its nonsens
the sv650 puts out 73hp not 69, and is group 9 not group 10. the sv650 is much nicer than the hyosung, i have had the hyosung gt125 and gt250r, and am glad to be away from them and on the sv. the sv is a much more fun bike to ride than any hyosung and they are much easier and cheaper to maintain. the hyosung is not faster than the sv plus its heavierm the sv650 is a lovely bike, restricted or not, i've recently taken the restrictors out of mine and i loved it restricted and love it even more now
@DaJokern So Suzuki has some 70 years more bike manufacturing experience than Hyosung... Hyosung purchsed the engine patterns of the 1st generation SV engine because they could not design a reliable engine them selves... Look on the one hand you have Japan made, on the other you have Korean made... If you were to purchase a super car, Would you buy a Indonesian super car, over an Italian super car? Of course Not!!! :D
@nunnyd69 No the don't Hyosung have never built the 650 lump for Suzuki.
Hyo's problems still are quality control, there's not a lot of point in maintenance when your gearbox is made from Chese.
Same principle from what aspect?
Audi uses the V10 from the Gallardo in their R8, what now?
Why do they have a bunch of noobs rating these things...I'd like to see guys who ride 24/7 and know what makes a reliable all round bike rating these things.
@Danlow23 because all these bikes have a learner legal varient.
seems like all luxury cars aren't using native parts
Mini twins are "big bikes"?
@MfalmeVTold
Ehm ye except the F800R is 2x the prive of a SV650.
Also, Street triple > F800R...
I prefer my 650R but they are all good.
Why filming the boys, not the biks while they talking.
Sv is the pretty one, and looking around on atuotrader and ebay the cheapest
Hey alexsuchapimp. They're not shitty, really. Forget all the pre-conceptions that you have that only the Japanese make good bikes; it's not your fault, you just don't know any better. The Suzuki SV650 has had a Hyosung built engine in it for the last 10 years or so. Hyosung merely said "why the hell are we making engines for Suzuki so they can make all the money and take all the credit". The only thing that lets them down in my opinion is service and parts due to the lack of UK dealerships.
I'd take the gixxer 750 please Bob.
@scubabuddha: he sounds French, not Italian, and he says "Even if the SV had a screen, the position..."
Just ride what suits your honest needs and forget the parking lot posing and bragging rights. You will be a better rider for it.....
hay algo que si es cierto, que se puede apostar por una ingeniería mas barata, por casi la misma calidad, cosas que no hacen todos la mayoría de constructores, sean japoneses o eurpeos, hyosung les a dado el ejemplo... y el usuario final, ha ganado.
Forte con la maglietta dell'Alpinestar e la giacca Dainese👍
i have witnessed the engine deaths of 3 hyosungs everyone that i know have owned them have had problems say what you want the facts behind the hype speak for themselves. to be fair they were the early internatinal models have no real knowlage of newer models.
@scubabuddha
I think he was frensh, and I didn't understand anything he said either:-)
I didnt take it personal. this video is aimed at people who just passed their tests and looking a 600cc bikes, so yes these are big bikes compared to learner bikes. and just saying "screw you dumbie" is irrelevant.
Hyosung on par with the Japanese bikes... hahaha
Only Honda have outstanding quality. Suzuki make bikes that last that well in my 25 yeara of biking experience. I could buy a 35 year old CBR400 that would be in good nick tomorrow. Try finding a Suzuki of that age that's great.
lmao don't take it too personal hahaha