I Misunderstood the Leica Q2 Monochrom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 พ.ค. 2024
- The people who criticize a Leica monochrom sensor are people that have never used it. Guilty.
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Great story! A year ago, my local Leica store let me test a Q2M for a week, I loved it. Then they let me test an M11 for a week, I loved it. Then I thought about pros and cons for a week or two, and bought the M11M without any more testing. Since then, this camera is always with me, while my color cameras mostly hibernate.
Incredible. I hope to one day have an M mono.
Watched Matt Days latest video today on how he tries to improve in colour photography, and you gave the perfect counter part - awesome videos, since I do my best to get better in both areas of photography, although I have to say I’m gravitating towards black and white more, simply because I’m partly Color blind and am anxious to edit Color images in post and share them.
Before the Q3 released last year I sold my Q2M and have to say I miss it. Currently shooting a lot with the X100VI as my daily documentation camera, and the Q2M would be a perfect supplement.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Dave and looking forward to future videos of you about the monochrome topic! Amazing job as always mate!
I really appreciated Matt’s latest video. I’m planning to get that book, too! Thanks for sharing!
Lovely video. I loved the comparison with the Colour n the B/W shots, n the images taken on the Mono camera; fascinating. Thks !!
Thank you!
You just put words to my experience. I have both of the Q2s and must force myself to use the Q2 Color. I have tried to explain why, but now I can refer to this video. I'm looking forward to seeing the next.
I had to think on it a lot to articulate this!
I love how B&W abstracts me a bit from reality. I can fall in love with line, shape, and texture in what might be a very drab and uninteresting color photo. For me, getting it in the moment and not later through post processing is very important. It makes it feel more authentic to me, somehow, than manufacturing that look via software even though I understand how silly and impractical that may seem. I want to have my experience of photography be about seeing, noticing, composing, and capturing and less about software sliders, angsting about color vs b&w option, denoise AI, etc.
Me too!
I've had the Q2M for nearly a year - mainly for my backstage images. I so love using the camera and am always amazed but the quality of the pictures. I'm glad you're seeing it 👌
I’m bringing it to a concert I’m photographing in a few weeks. Loving it so far!
@davidherring great! I'll look out for your video of the images 📷
And loving your Channel...
Glad to see you love the Monochrom series. I have been loving them since the M9 Monochrom. Next time we chat in person I will tell you a story about the M9 Monochrom , back when I worked at Apple.
Looking forward to it!
How much are you editing the RAWs outside exposure, type adjustments?
Barely at all. Maybe exposure or contrast up/down depending on the scene.
Excellent! I equate color to being submersed in a space, or “time traveling” with color renderings that evoke another era (especially 50s Kodak slides). Black and white feels like “reading a story”…you see B&W, and it isn’t just a snapshot - it is an image trying hard to tell you something. I can’t commit to a monochrome camera only…I make my Q2 images in B&W.
I’ve been doing the BW conversation for two decades. Pretty wild using a monochrom camera!
Beautifull photos, thanks for sharing 🤗
Thank you!
I’m enjoying watching the evolution you’re doing through with monochrome. Got my Q2M arriving tomorrow. Been shooting primarily b&w film since the mid 80s. Love both the fine art and documentary work you can achieve without color, without the distraction the viewer experiences when you do something challenging with color - distraction, which can include them mentally contesting the correctness of the colors themselves. I don’t think I’ve been this excited about something in a long time 🤙
Thanks! Loving it!
Try it at night. I use black mist 1/4 for night scenes... it is dreamy like film noir. Also orange or red filter for day scenes. Thank you for the great content!!
I just grabbed some filters and I can't wait to use them!
Hey Dave, so you now have both Q2 and Q2 Mono? I have M10-R and looking at M10- mono. And keep asking myself that question. is it worth having both? I dont care about high ISO performance as I like grain in my BW images. do you think it's worth having both? I shoot ton of BW but still would like to have the Color option as well and not sure if having both is too much of a lacsury or a worthwhile addition. money is not an issue, but again I dont want to be stupid about the money either. any thoughts? thank you very much
No, I sold my Q2 last year. I mostly just shoot the M. I think the Monochrom experience I'm having is not even comparable to the Q2. The only thing that's the same is the feeling in the hands and autofocus. Otherwise it's a completely different experience. I have a friend who has the M11 and the M10M and while he shoots both, he only ever talks about how much he loves the M10M.
@@davidherring very interesting. Thank you very much for your reply.
would love to see your m8 black and white w/o ir cut filter compares to the q2 monochrome.
Definitely will!
I was the same, used a Q2, M11 and SL2, love the colour Leica look. I then bought a Q2M and obsolutely love it, now my go to camera.
I’m getting sucked into it myself!
How does the ‘grain’ structure compare to be film in the M6?
Film is film and this is still digital, but it doesn’t have that multi-colored noise that color sensors have.
@@davidherring can always remove noise with AI denoiser, will make your colored photos similar to monochrome sensor photos
and color sensors capture more dynamic detail than monochrome sensors, which allows for higher quality b/w images. so in reality color sensors do a better job at taking b/w images if you care about contrast details
Nice. Reminds me of “A Question of Color “ by the great Joel Meyerowitz in which he takes the same photo in both versions and invites the viewer to determine which is preferred. Bears checking out.
Honestly that's a book I've been wanting to get!
Recently managed to get my hands on a Q2M: fantastic camera and photographic experience like no other.
Agreed!
You've seen the light in black-and-white. I picked up the Q2M a month ago. Hard to put it down.
Haha well said!
Please please a comparison between the Leica Q2 monochrome and the Leica M 11 with a deep dive in to conversion ISO performance and tonality thank you :)
Will do!
Not gonna lie amazed by this video. Congrats my guy i'm from San Jose by the way.
Thank you! Dude hit me up and lets photo walk sometime!
@@davidherring downn bro
B&W photography is my favorite. For some reason I tend to edit my photos or just shoot straight b&w with the color presets on the camera, it just tells a better story in the picture than color does in my opinion
I am loving the experience so far!
I want a monochrom Leica, but still on the fence to which one. I have ruled out the Q series because the 25-28mm focal length is a lot wider than my style. I would like the M9M, but finding one in good condition with a fixed sensor is tough. The M10M is at a decent price point now, so that could be an option. However, since I own the M11, I almost would like the M11M as a counterpart.
Tough, first world decisions. LOL
Haha yep photography is a lot of hard and privileged choices!
I have two Leica Monochrom models. The Q2M and the M246M both fantastic cameras.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing!
I have Q2M for 2 years... looking for 246 with 50mm. OMG dream combo! What is your lens choice for 246?
Amazing black and white monochrome shots.
Thank you!
You do get the Q2 monochrome. Great video. My daily kit is the M11 and the Q2 Mono. I consider it a creative kit.
That’s my kit at the moment too!
I ‘got it’ from the moment I saw the results from my Q2M. I’m using Q2 and M alongside for my personal projects. Two years ago I added the Q2M and I was blown away by the results. The tonality is so beautiful. All of a sudden you see the difference between b&w in post or those nice acros jpegs and a true monochrome sensor. You’ll see that modern b&w in post or jpeg is mostly far too contrasty. The contrast of a Q2M or an M Monochrome is much more subtle, resulting in those beautiful skintones and smooth grades of grey.
We have a tech editor who edits all our fashion and beauty work. She’s an absolute star with Capture One and Photoshop and she claims that you can’t get that same result in post from an original color raw file. When shooting in b&w, after a while, you start to see b&w. That leads to entirely different images. At least for me. Love it.
I would affirm that. I cannot recreate a Q2M file in Lightroom from my M11.
I did film based black & white photography for almost 50 years and still love it. A camera with monochrome sensor seems to be the ideal add-on. The richness in detail and dynamic range seems to be unbeatable (but finally, the result counts, not the (technical) ability to zoom into the picture on screen and to push highlights and blacks beyond the limit we can visually distinguish on screen or print).
Unfortunately, many results created with monochrome sensor cameras are far from perfect for my liking. To be honest, I like your color photos more than the B&W samples presented in this video.
I thought a lot about the reasons and I boiled it down to three:
(a) "Straight out of the cam" does not work for B&W in many cases. To get a good tonal separation, one needs to tweak the image in post.
(b) Tweaking the image in post is totally different from color post processing. The tool of choice in B&W is dodging & burning. Almost every B&W picture benefits from dodging and burning, The very impressive work of Ansel Adams (and his artificial skills as outlined in "the negative" and "the positive") - translated into the digital world - demonstrates this perfectly. Custom profiles - so important for creative color photography - ar less important for good B&W results.
Finally (c) the representation of B&W on screen is totally different compared to well made prints: I think, the reproduction on paper enhances the tonal separation to a great extend. I don't know why, but on screen many images look too dark and highlights are not popping as much as they do on paper.
When I do B&W in Lightroom, I adjust the contrast curve first to get the best overall tonal range, then I use brush masks to darken/lighten parts of the image - effectively "repainting" the structure of the image, and finally I sometimes use the structure slider to adjust micro contrast and visual sharpness.
Thanks for sharing all of that. I’m still figuring out my style in black and white. Appreciate your thoughtfulness and tips!
Next is to have fun with black and white colored filters on your monochrom! Lots of new toys in Daveland...M8 now Q2M......Good times!
Yeah I'm in a weird place right now haha.
Nice one. As a Q2 M shooter, Welcome to the world of Monochrome!
I'm so stoked!
Owning the M10M has been a dream. ISO capabilities. Detail. It’s insane.
I hope to get an M mono one day!
The color grading on the b roll is lovely though! 😅
Thank you! My friend Jenn has a collection of vintage lenses she's adapted to her Sony, and I borrowed an old Pentax 50mm f/1.4 and shot it at f/1.4 for the b-roll around the farm. That plus my usual grading and a bunch of grain created a really beautiful look I plan to use again!
@@davidherring it’s so fun using vintage lenses…most movie cinematographers seem to think so too lately!
It is! There’s a quality (or lack there of) you can’t replicate in post. Felt right for this video and what I was trying to accomplish - a sense of peace and nostalgia. The ordinary into art.
I love my q2M. I have not bonded with my Q3 same way. In fact I’m thinking of selling q3
Loving the Q2M as well!
I want to shoot an indie movie on the Q2. All of my friends tell me to shoot with a Black Magic and edit it monochrome in post, but I've got a feeling that this will give me the results that I am after.
That’s a cool thought. I’ve never seen the Q line as a video camera, personally.
One way of looking at it is that “regular” digital cameras have something slightly off, namely, they are wearing sunglasses, and what the various photocells receive have to do with their placement behind the Bayer array (and usually an anti-aliasing filter). For me, Leica’s Monochrom series have always been about the fine gradation of grey tones, more than about clean images at high ISO values. Since each pixel’s only job is to record the specific electrical input from unfiltered light, the result, in some scenes (e.g., old, dusty machinery on a wooden floor, backlit with window light [nod to Big Head Taco, I believe]) is a sort of gradation and texture that you can almost feel. In practice, using the Monochrom is a sort of Zen-like experience; not better or worse than with other models, just different.
This is very well said. Thank you!
Thank you for the inspiring video!
Black and white is just a story telling sphere in photography, I love creating stories in my head, and black and white is my go to, its just something tender to it.
Completely agree.
Ahh.. reminds me of the 60's/70's, shooting Pan-X, Plus-X, Tri-X on my Pentax. So much fun. Today, the question is... Q2M, M10M? Thoughts? Anyone?
I obviously got the Q2M, but that was because of price point. I was able to get this camera for about half of what an M10M is selling for, and that was a major win.
@@davidherring would be fun to use all those M lenses on the M10M, M11M... wouldn't it?
it literally takes someone looking at a monochrome file on a big screen to see what the big deal is with the sensor, once I saw the raw file I was hooked and haven't put it down since.
I agree!
Your on your was to the BW side … wait till you put a IR 72 filter on the camera. Love taking out my m10 monochrome with the IR filter.
Very cool! I’ll check that out!
LOVE the Leica Monochrome cameras
They’re definitely a new level.
Leica B&W just hits different. This camera is literally my grail right now
It really is something else.
It's possibly my favourite camera ever. I regret selling it even though I love my M
I’m really loving it but I don’t know if it would ever dethrone my M haha
It usually takes experience to understand someone's world
Facts.
It’s true, I’m crazy about my M10 Monochrom. I wouldn’t think twice about selling my regular M10, but I won’t even consider selling my Monochrom.
I can't wait to get deeper into this monochrome life haha
@@davidherring Yeah, b&w takes a different mindset, and I'd say it's more complicated than shooting color, but the results can be so satisfying. Making a statement with only light and shadow is like pure photography to me.
Now you know ❤ Like GI Joe, it’s half the battle.
Haha
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that all sensors are analog, and the software is responsible for the digital image.
No, this is actually hardware. The monochrome sensors lack the layer that produces color. Therefore, the camera cannot detect any color, period. Software can play no role in this. Of course on the M11 or other non-mono cameras, software makes the BW image. But its hardware in the Q2M and the MxM cameras.
aside from its high ISO performance, I don't see what there is to "get"... but I love that this camera inspires people to get out and shoot more.
I felt the same until I used it.
You e. Even officially indoctrinated! Welcome to the club lol
Haha I feel it!
Money permitting, any inspiration is worth the camera.
Agreed!
Wait till you use a monochrome M, and get to use all of your M glass. Q2 mono is just the beginning Dave.
Oh no. Don’t tell my wife.
@@davidherring 😂😂 50 lux on m11 mono is chefs kiss