Arnold is still the A hole. It doesnt matter if you like her or not, if shes someone elses wife she is a no fly zone 22:12 the woman you loved....? You hadnt even approached her. Yep YATA
If Arnold was so mad at Marcus, why didn't he confront him about all these things he says happened? And then to continue being friends? That does not make any sense to me. Why would you not talk to your supposed best friend about the hurt he's causing you and figure out things like best friends do?
Honestly, arnold is the one who sounds like the narc. Just his first words are enough to suspect, and his dumping and treatment of ops ex confirms it for me. Marcus' public self reflection does not sound like a narc, either. Also, despite the implications that op sabotaged arnolds scholarships, he doesnt come out right saying it of showing it. Marcus had just as much right to apply. Also with the girl. Was op seeig her first? One tjing i learned is to mot hold of om a relationship because someone i knew was indecisive or cowardly. That disrespects the girl by blocking her options. Make a move or live with the consequences. Period. These are both in support of arnold being the narc as 1) always blame others, 2) reflection of ones own bs onto the target. 3) he stayed close to op despite harbouring all his own jealously that is clearly visible from the previous. Op is well shot of them and i doubt any more of an ahole than anyone else, especially the aholes abusing him.
I think it’s insane Arnold thinks he some how owns a woman he wasn’t even dating. Just because he had in his mind he would be her friend and then start dating her doesn’t mean that’s how she would feel. The fact Marcus was clearly seeing her meant she wasn’t interested in Arnold. Arnold has issues.
“Marcus is the bad guy.” Says the guy the slept with his friend’s wife. If you wanted his wife then you wait till they divorce. Instead you snuck around like a thief. You then blame Marcus for everything…
Hmph. Two brilliant doctors. One wonders how their patients fared. Probably pretty well, because, you know, BRILLIANT. If this is the behavior of brilliant doctors, doesn't it give you pause to think about the doctors who treat you who might not be particularly adept? Which would you choose?
@@neil999ish I used to, but too many things happened. What did it for me was when I went for care, the provider cut me with a scalpel, sort of patched me up, the problem was ignored for two months until I got assigned to wound care for the wound he gave me and then have had weekly visits for a year to fix it -- at $35 per pop. You must admit that the corporate model is next to perfect: Create a problem, then charge to have it fixed. I advise caution.
So Arnold sounds like a spoiled brat, it's his fault, he took my scholarships ( hey Arnold those scholarships are awarded and owed to no one) he took this that etc what a child. OP well I dont know enough, arnold however comes off like a spoiled brat.
They both shouldn't have slept with her at all if she was willing to cheat on that guy with you.What made you think she wasn't going to cheat on you dude you both should have left her alone in my opinion
It's nice to see what both Marcus and Arnold had to say. But, there really isn't a valid point of view as to why you were having sex with your best friends wife for years, even before they were married. Both these men are narcissistic and self-absorbed.
So Marcus and Arnold are narcissists. Both did horrible things to one another and refused to accept responsibility. Arnold shouldn't have cheated with his wife and Marcus shouldn't have attempted to sabotage his career. Both lack communication and it eventually exploded. So imo, ESH
There’s a difference between sleeping with a crush that no body can make dibs on and a fiancé slash wife. What the ex best friend did was worse. It not only hurt his so called best friend but it ruined her life as well. The crush’s life wasn’t ruined by him sleeping with her, and who knows she might not have liked him back. It also seems like he also changed that he was no longer that same person that slept with his best friend’s crush. Maybe he needed those scholarships too. Just because parents have money doesn’t mean kids do. He was the coward and never discussed it with him to work on their friendship
I had a co-worker that just happened to Granite I haven't listened to the whole story so I don't know everything that happened, but this co-worker was married for like 20 years and he was taking a shower one day in all the sudden his wife come in saying she was leaving him for his best friend and they had been having an affair basically the entire time and he finally realized that's why his friend could never look at him eye to eye so he sold the house and moved totally away I think he said he lived in Tennessee in Kentucky area and he moved to Missouri well he ended up finding another woman that he liked he was dating her for a few years she was in nursing school and after she graduated he went to her and said that he had just finished paying off all of her student loans with his money from his house being sold about 2 or 3 weeks later she ends up coming back to him and saying she doesn't want to be tied down in a relationship and she wants to do some travel nursing poor guy couldn't catch a break
If this friend sabotaged him, he is terrible! What a sweet revenge😂 The wife is the dummy that got caught up in this hot mess🤦🏽♀️This has got to be the worst karma ever, she will never forget
So you think that him sleeping with his so called best friend’s wife is the same as someone sleeping with the best friends crush that we don’t even know had any feelings for him at all!?! What he did was way worse.
@Kelsey1442 true, if that was all Marcus did. But sabotaging his scholarship and his job? Now that's where I think I'll draw the line. Both are assholes but im leaning towardsq Arnold's side. Seems like his revenge story
@@phil1511he might have needed the scholarship money as well. Just because his parents are wealthy doesn’t make him entitled to their money for college. Some parents help some parents don’t. The job thing could have been any of his coworkers. Not sure if he knows for a fact as if it was him that did it or not. He didn’t confirm everything nor did he deny anything. Even with that it’s still doesn’t justify what he did. I would have just stopped being friends with him and live my best life. Seems like he was doing pretty good for himself.
@@phil1511 Well we only have a cheaters word on it that this happened AT ALL .. But then why stay friends? For the off change he might get his revenge one day? What if he never had such an option? would he remain friends forever?
Arnold was wrong but Marcus is a craven backstabber who was never Arnolds friend. I don't think that Marcus ever actually knows what a friend is. Nobody in this story is a good person
What Op did was wrong but he shouldn't have slept with a married woman. But he is right he should have confronted him and told him about all of instead of harboring all that hatred for years and stabbing him in the back.
If the friend hated him for what he claims OP did he had every right to hate him, but why stay friends? He just should of cut OP out of his life and moved on. True I think less of OP than I did but I don't think his friend was justified in what he did either, though at least now I understand why he did it. All 3 are AHs
One month, and OP and wife are not even divorced yet, his wife sees the man she thought loved her - OP's best friend was not the man she thought. Her claim OP was to good, to kind, to perfect - most women would be thrilled at such a man. She's in the hospital - I don't know, maybe OP should give her a second chance now that she has had a whiff of reality. She can see now that Arnold didn't love her, he just used her. OP's friend Arnold though - he's the snake in the grass. Arnorld's story - it seems more that Arnold is the narcist. He claims OP just couldn't keep his wife - when you set out to TAKE your best friends wife - that's your fault, not her's or his. It's Arnold that is at fault. His story of his competing with Marcus when in college shows WHY he did it. He felt he couldn't compete, so he decided to TAKE what Marcus had. Marcus took his intended girl friend in college, so he decided to take his wife the moment he announced the marriage to be. He didn't NEED Marcus's wife anymore? He made her think he loved her and left her to die in a hospital even though HE OWNS A HOSPITAL!!!! Yes his wife cheated, but to be fair Arnold deceived her and left her. Between the two, she is the one that has suffered and has no future now. He says he might forgive Arnold - but as these two men laugh - his ex wife is paralyzed for life having been USED by Arnold as a THING!!!!
Look at their time schedules, of course they are gonna get cheated on, just like the military, lots of women would use the "you work to long and I hardly ever see you" and "I was lonely and it's your fault for being gone so long" I've seen it happen.
Let me start by saying I cannot stand cheaters. With that being said, these man-child, narcissistic, jealous boys use and abuse women and weaponize them as a way to get back at the other. It's disgusting. I dislike that Arnold so easily swept Rachel off her feet in an affair, but it seems to me that's what these two men do. I only feel bad for Rachel that she had her accident as I would not wish that on anyone. Her life is forever changed. The bad luck of getting in the middle of these two idiots was yet another bad stroke of luck!
While the men are awful you can't baby handle Rachel and not justify her actions, she's a grown women that can think and decide for herself what she wants to do and she made the decision to cheat.
Are these guys 5 year olds? You took my girl so I'm taking yours. Rachel is not guilt free. She could have told Arnold no. She could have been honest with Marcus. It's terrible she was in a car accident and was left to pick up the pieces, but she did bring this on herself. Marcus, even though he didn't owe her anything, could have taken pity on Rachel's mom and at least pointed her in the direction of some financial support offered by the state and county. Marcus and Arnold are both trash, and I pity any woman who comes into their lives.
OP may or may not be a narcissist but Arnold was jealous and delusional.....complaining because OP came from a wealthy family and ohh no how dare he get with a woman I like but am not even dating and omg how dare he apply for scholarships when his parents have money...so I'm going to cheat with his wife to get revenge for the imaginary crimes against me. Pfffftttt if I was OP I'd give him a reason to be mad and let everyone know how he likes cheating with married women and see how well his business degree does him when his reputation is in the trash
Good for you Arnold!! I've got an Identical twin and everything I've f done thru the year's was Apparently a "competition" that I didn't even know about! Everyone family AND friend's showed me alot about how she's a narcissistic person!! And yes most definitely and I cant stand people that think their all that!! Or their owed some shit!! I haven't had anything to do with her in over 8 year's now!! I never want to see her face again but kind a hard when we look alike!! I figured I'd throw that in! Anyway if you know someone that's a narcissistic stay away! I'm dead serious as they'll never change!! BTW my twin lives pretty comfortably as in she scammed her husband out of his 193 thousands dollars from his 3 tours in Iraq in the end he said he'd pay millions to get rid of her! We just turned 54 in March and I looked at her FB & only 1 person wished her a happy birthday and me I got a little over 30 wishes! Need I say more??!! Live you Best Life and keep the negative away!!
In The end part MC acknowledges that he was a crap friend to arnold. If I'm arnold, I'd start a revenge plot as well. There are no rules to how to revenge so good for him
Tic for Tac! If Arnold said was true! Then He should of moved on from Marcus long time ago . Marcus need to address what he has done! From the beginning. If they are best friend. Arnold shouldnt have slept with his mate's wife. Resentment!!! All the seven deadly sins
Arnold is still the A hole. It doesnt matter if you like her or not, if shes someone elses wife she is a no fly zone
22:12 the woman you loved....? You hadnt even approached her. Yep YATA
Leave her to rot. Stop calling Arnold a friend. Get restraining orders and block them.
Arnold is the worse : just breaking his marriage and then dumping the woman he loved like piece of crap... he is a piece of craps.
Arnold first update makes him look like a narcissist 😂 not mark.
It's common for people in the same major to apply to the same scholarships, that is not stealing. Nothing really justifies infidelity.
These 2 were best friends for a reason. 2 Narcissists as best friends!! Wow!!
If Arnold was so mad at Marcus, why didn't he confront him about all these things he says happened? And then to continue being friends? That does not make any sense to me. Why would you not talk to your supposed best friend about the hurt he's causing you and figure out things like best friends do?
This!
I don't believe Arnold for a second
Love when we get both poibts of view. But cheating can never be justified to me
If I was him, I wouldn’t have gone to see her, she didn’t deserve him at all.
After hearing both sides of the story, Arnold still sounds like garbage.
I don't believe Arnold...he is a flirt..and wife isn't cool to want half of Marcus estate....
Honestly, arnold is the one who sounds like the narc. Just his first words are enough to suspect, and his dumping and treatment of ops ex confirms it for me. Marcus' public self reflection does not sound like a narc, either.
Also, despite the implications that op sabotaged arnolds scholarships, he doesnt come out right saying it of showing it. Marcus had just as much right to apply. Also with the girl. Was op seeig her first? One tjing i learned is to mot hold of om a relationship because someone i knew was indecisive or cowardly. That disrespects the girl by blocking her options. Make a move or live with the consequences. Period. These are both in support of arnold being the narc as 1) always blame others, 2) reflection of ones own bs onto the target. 3) he stayed close to op despite harbouring all his own jealously that is clearly visible from the previous.
Op is well shot of them and i doubt any more of an ahole than anyone else, especially the aholes abusing him.
Tough crap. Id walk in the hospital room, point and laugh, then leave.
should ask the doc : if she die while we still married will that increase my medical policy or decreases it?
I think it’s insane Arnold thinks he some how owns a woman he wasn’t even dating. Just because he had in his mind he would be her friend and then start dating her doesn’t mean that’s how she would feel. The fact Marcus was clearly seeing her meant she wasn’t interested in Arnold. Arnold has issues.
The "friend" is disgusting
Mr. Reddito Animated, You're so talented! I had to hit the like button!
Arnold is the narcissist and they both are backstabbers
Arnold should have shut down the friendship if that's the case.
The friend owns a hospital a still didn't help. That's cold
The friend is barely above Jeffrey Dahmer in his morals, God help anyone getting treated in THAT hospital.
Colder than the woman who had sex with her husbands best friend just before their wedding day? Sounds more like justifiable karma
Wow! Instead of talking to each other like ADULTS, they all let their feelings fester and blew up in everyone's faces.
“Marcus is the bad guy.” Says the guy the slept with his friend’s wife.
If you wanted his wife then you wait till they divorce. Instead you snuck around like a thief. You then blame Marcus for everything…
What a wild ride that was!
Hmph. Two brilliant doctors. One wonders how their patients fared. Probably pretty well, because, you know, BRILLIANT. If this is the behavior of brilliant doctors, doesn't it give you pause to think about the doctors who treat you who might not be particularly adept?
Which would you choose?
Many Doctor's are arrogent in the proffession.
@@neil999ish But are arrogant doctors competent?
@@theplaintechWe would hope so.
@@neil999ish I used to, but too many things happened. What did it for me was when I went for care, the provider cut me with a scalpel, sort of patched me up, the problem was ignored for two months until I got assigned to wound care for the wound he gave me and then have had weekly visits for a year to fix it -- at $35 per pop. You must admit that the corporate model is next to perfect: Create a problem, then charge to have it fixed.
I advise caution.
Marcus was not as bad as Arnold, who had to slept with a married woman. I side with Marcus .
So Arnold sounds like a spoiled brat, it's his fault, he took my scholarships ( hey Arnold those scholarships are awarded and owed to no one) he took this that etc what a child. OP well I dont know enough, arnold however comes off like a spoiled brat.
i like those windows man! :)
Same, his whole room set up is just cool 😊
They both shouldn't have slept with her at all if she was willing to cheat on that guy with you.What made you think she wasn't going to cheat on you dude you both should have left her alone in my opinion
It's nice to see what both Marcus and Arnold had to say. But, there really isn't a valid point of view as to why you were having sex with your best friends wife for years, even before they were married. Both these men are narcissistic and self-absorbed.
How are BOTH narcissistic?
One ruined a 'friend's' relation to 'get even' and dumped her after he did...what did OP do?
Became a target for mindless virtue signalling victim blamers
That’s why I don’t date men with
$$$$ lol
I’d rather be broke & rich in love
Arnold still sucks. Bc the girl was just a crush to Arnold is way different than having an affair
So Marcus and Arnold are narcissists. Both did horrible things to one another and refused to accept responsibility. Arnold shouldn't have cheated with his wife and Marcus shouldn't have attempted to sabotage his career. Both lack communication and it eventually exploded. So imo, ESH
That’s what I was saying. They are both at fault.
Two wrongs don't make a right
Everyone sucks here
I agree 100%
Both are doctors and I have met my fair share of narcissistic physicians in my lifetime.
There’s a difference between sleeping with a crush that no body can make dibs on and a fiancé slash wife. What the ex best friend did was worse. It not only hurt his so called best friend but it ruined her life as well. The crush’s life wasn’t ruined by him sleeping with her, and who knows she might not have liked him back. It also seems like he also changed that he was no longer that same person that slept with his best friend’s crush. Maybe he needed those scholarships too. Just because parents have money doesn’t mean kids do. He was the coward and never discussed it with him to work on their friendship
Love the posts with 2 different points of view!
I had a co-worker that just happened to Granite I haven't listened to the whole story so I don't know everything that happened, but this co-worker was married for like 20 years and he was taking a shower one day in all the sudden his wife come in saying she was leaving him for his best friend and they had been having an affair basically the entire time and he finally realized that's why his friend could never look at him eye to eye so he sold the house and moved totally away I think he said he lived in Tennessee in Kentucky area and he moved to Missouri well he ended up finding another woman that he liked he was dating her for a few years she was in nursing school and after she graduated he went to her and said that he had just finished paying off all of her student loans with his money from his house being sold about 2 or 3 weeks later she ends up coming back to him and saying she doesn't want to be tied down in a relationship and she wants to do some travel nursing poor guy couldn't catch a break
Thank you
If this friend sabotaged him, he is terrible! What a sweet revenge😂 The wife is the dummy that got caught up in this hot mess🤦🏽♀️This has got to be the worst karma ever, she will never forget
So you think that him sleeping with his so called best friend’s wife is the same as someone sleeping with the best friends crush that we don’t even know had any feelings for him at all!?! What he did was way worse.
@Kelsey1442 true, if that was all Marcus did. But sabotaging his scholarship and his job? Now that's where I think I'll draw the line. Both are assholes but im leaning towardsq Arnold's side. Seems like his revenge story
@@phil1511he might have needed the scholarship money as well. Just because his parents are wealthy doesn’t make him entitled to their money for college. Some parents help some parents don’t. The job thing could have been any of his coworkers. Not sure if he knows for a fact as if it was him that did it or not. He didn’t confirm everything nor did he deny anything. Even with that it’s still doesn’t justify what he did. I would have just stopped being friends with him and live my best life. Seems like he was doing pretty good for himself.
@@phil1511 Well we only have a cheaters word on it that this happened AT ALL ..
But then why stay friends?
For the off change he might get his revenge one day? What if he never had such an option? would he remain friends forever?
The last sentence he said it was him
Arnold was wrong but Marcus is a craven backstabber who was never Arnolds friend.
I don't think that Marcus ever actually knows what a friend is.
Nobody in this story is a good person
OP got lucky actually...
Imagine going the extra mile to ruin someone's life who was already struggling
I think he was lucky I guess
Was the situation your fault ? Hell no. Shes at fault tell hospital to call her fun toy instead.
Yes indeed. Groom your child to be a good wife. WTF!!!
Dear lord, those guys are both terrible and immature...
There are no good people in this whole story. 😂😂😂
basically jealously
Wow all of them are terrible…
How ,and why do you call him a friend. Why was he even in the wedding
Yeah I'm going to say both of these guys apparently they use people for their own selfish gains and battery rivalry and she gets dumped
What Op did was wrong but he shouldn't have slept with a married woman. But he is right he should have confronted him and told him about all of instead of harboring all that hatred for years and stabbing him in the back.
Wow
Not exactly Marcus Welby here!
Most of these stories start with "he/she was soooo beautiful", I fell in love right away"
It't might be an idea not to concentrate on looks alone ?
If the friend hated him for what he claims OP did he had every right to hate him, but why stay friends? He just should of cut OP out of his life and moved on. True I think less of OP than I did but I don't think his friend was justified in what he did either, though at least now I understand why he did it. All 3 are AHs
One month, and OP and wife are not even divorced yet, his wife sees the man she thought loved her - OP's best friend was not the man she thought. Her claim OP was to good, to kind, to perfect - most women would be thrilled at such a man. She's in the hospital - I don't know, maybe OP should give her a second chance now that she has had a whiff of reality. She can see now that Arnold didn't love her, he just used her. OP's friend Arnold though - he's the snake in the grass. Arnorld's story - it seems more that Arnold is the narcist. He claims OP just couldn't keep his wife - when you set out to TAKE your best friends wife - that's your fault, not her's or his. It's Arnold that is at fault. His story of his competing with Marcus when in college shows WHY he did it. He felt he couldn't compete, so he decided to TAKE what Marcus had. Marcus took his intended girl friend in college, so he decided to take his wife the moment he announced the marriage to be. He didn't NEED Marcus's wife anymore? He made her think he loved her and left her to die in a hospital even though HE OWNS A HOSPITAL!!!! Yes his wife cheated, but to be fair Arnold deceived her and left her. Between the two, she is the one that has suffered and has no future now. He says he might forgive Arnold - but as these two men laugh - his ex wife is paralyzed for life having been USED by Arnold as a THING!!!!
I dont feel bad for op his friend got the best revenge 🤷♂️ life goes on
Everyone sucks in this story. Period
Even though this is an Esh the original poster is definitely the worst but I'm glad he started to figure that out at the end
medical profession have one of the highest infidelity rates out there.
Look at their time schedules, of course they are gonna get cheated on, just like the military, lots of women would use the "you work to long and I hardly ever see you" and "I was lonely and it's your fault for being gone so long" I've seen it happen.
Let me start by saying I cannot stand cheaters. With that being said, these man-child, narcissistic, jealous boys use and abuse women and weaponize them as a way to get back at the other. It's disgusting. I dislike that Arnold so easily swept Rachel off her feet in an affair, but it seems to me that's what these two men do. I only feel bad for Rachel that she had her accident as I would not wish that on anyone. Her life is forever changed. The bad luck of getting in the middle of these two idiots was yet another bad stroke of luck!
While the men are awful you can't baby handle Rachel and not justify her actions, she's a grown women that can think and decide for herself what she wants to do and she made the decision to cheat.
Are these guys 5 year olds? You took my girl so I'm taking yours. Rachel is not guilt free. She could have told Arnold no. She could have been honest with Marcus. It's terrible she was in a car accident and was left to pick up the pieces, but she did bring this on herself. Marcus, even though he didn't owe her anything, could have taken pity on Rachel's mom and at least pointed her in the direction of some financial support offered by the state and county. Marcus and Arnold are both trash, and I pity any woman who comes into their lives.
OP may or may not be a narcissist but Arnold was jealous and delusional.....complaining because OP came from a wealthy family and ohh no how dare he get with a woman I like but am not even dating and omg how dare he apply for scholarships when his parents have money...so I'm going to cheat with his wife to get revenge for the imaginary crimes against me. Pfffftttt if I was OP I'd give him a reason to be mad and let everyone know how he likes cheating with married women and see how well his business degree does him when his reputation is in the trash
Good for you Arnold!! I've got an Identical twin and everything I've f done thru the year's was Apparently a "competition" that I didn't even know about! Everyone family AND friend's showed me alot about how she's a narcissistic person!! And yes most definitely and I cant stand people that think their all that!! Or their owed some shit!! I haven't had anything to do with her in over 8 year's now!! I never want to see her face again but kind a hard when we look alike!! I figured I'd throw that in! Anyway if you know someone that's a narcissistic stay away! I'm dead serious as they'll never change!! BTW my twin lives pretty comfortably as in she scammed her husband out of his 193 thousands dollars from his 3 tours in Iraq in the end he said he'd pay millions to get rid of her! We just turned 54 in March and I looked at her FB & only 1 person wished her a happy birthday and me I got a little over 30 wishes! Need I say more??!! Live you Best Life and keep the negative away!!
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ESH
This is an everybody sucks here.
Both are terrible
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In The end part MC acknowledges that he was a crap friend to arnold. If I'm arnold, I'd start a revenge plot as well. There are no rules to how to revenge so good for him
Tic for Tac! If Arnold said was true! Then He should of moved on from Marcus long time ago .
Marcus need to address what he has done! From the beginning. If they are best friend. Arnold shouldnt have slept with his mate's wife. Resentment!!! All the seven deadly sins