Ep. 6 How to Get a Fat Snare Sound
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There are all sorts of products you can buy to modify the sound of your drums. By far the most effective and versatile is often forgotten about: a drum key! Certain add-on accessories can be great in a pinch, but knowing how to tune for the desired sound will always give you more to work with.
In Ep. 6 we illustrate in detail how to tune a Ludwig Supraphonic (though these methods can be applied to any snare drum) to sound as big and fat as possible without any specialized drumheads (we're using an Evans UV1 over a Snare Side 300). This sound translates well both in live performance and in the studio. If you want to maximize on the sound, adding some compression and equalization in a mic'd scenario will quickly have your drum sounding huge.
Please note: We've left the detailed tuning/pitch matching sections in real-time so you can see & hear the adjustments being made.
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When a drummer knows how to tune a guitar better than 95% of guitarists.
I was just about to say "This guy just taught a whole bunch of guitar players how to tune." 😂
Yea i always saw the drummer who can play a guitar better than the guitarist. But nobody talking it.
Not only do you know what you're talking about, you are without a doubt the fastest man with a tuning key I have ever seen! XD
I'm really enjoying this series! One thing you should consider - I'd love to hear how some of these different snare tunings sound with a full kit.
Thanks so much! Glad to hear it. We'll get into some full kit demonstrations and some context videos in the near future. Cheers!
Watch Udo Mashoff 'best snare tuning trick ever'. For 10 lug owners. No muffling required. I can now tune my snare in minutes. You're missing out if you don't watch it.
Always go to this channel for tuning. I feel like most people know tuning isn't that super complicated so they don't ever go in-depth enough to really help me understand tuning.
Example: Rob Brown says, ”It’s not rocket science.”
That's true, but there is A science when it comes to tuning and you explain it quite well.
Yes, because it's not super complicated. No, really...it's not. I don't even know there's a whole channel dedicated to it. 😂
I'm a guitar player that just got my first drum kit. Your channel has been incredibly helpful in helping me understand how to get the best out of my drums. I've played with, and recorded, a lot of drummers that don't know how to tune their drums, or even understand it's importance, and I really don't want to be that guy. 😂
Great video. I saw Benny Greb simply flip an unused head over and place it on top of a snare drum head to achieve instant fat, low snare sounds. You don't even need to touch a tuning lug, and when you want to return to the original tuning, just lift the snare head back off and it's back to normal. Great for drummers who need a fat snare for a few songs, but not the entire set.
I was doing that when I was 12. I didn't need anyone to show me either. There's really nothing remarkable about it. It's just called using your brain.
This video is living proof the versatility of the 5x14” Supraphonic. 👍
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@@imcharming4808 Just like your channel, you have no content.
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I just bought one today! Never say never, but probably will be my primary or backup snare for everything.
As a newer drummer all I can say is this set of videos is like gold, love how its an unbiased approach put together well and its hip, cheers
i have spend last 4 year searching for this, this is simpli AMAAAZING!THANKS TO THE MOON!!!!!
"Baseball bat through a wedding cake." 😂 I needed that metaphor today--thank you!
Sonic Art. Thanks for taking the time to make the videos that you make and for sharing your insights. Best wishes!
Great Video...I finally found somebody else who likes low fat tuning on steel/brass snare drums. I came up with my own dampening product and it really helps with overtone control...but keeps it open and fat!
love learning from someone who knows what the hell they're talking about. TAHNK YOU !!!!!!
Another great vid! You are dead balls on!!! I would like to note that while i was doing these experiments even before i saw these vids, I noticed that one top head lug being well off actually gave an incredible sound! I guess it caused a "wallet/rag/ damping effect. This deep tuning vid is excellent. I LOVE a snare that has tom power and not just a snap/pop sound.
Try the mastenoff or some German type name method for tuning. Sorry can't remember the name. It's similar to what you mentioned.
Your videos are amazing! As an engineer and producer you give great insight into the subtle art of tuning drums. I hope you cover how to tune bass drums sometime in the future
Thank you very much! We'll be covering toms and bass drums in the future as well. Glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos and getting some useful information from them. Cheers!
This sound goes well with metal as well. Along with a small amount of side-chain compression... beautiful.
CODY!!!!! just nabbed me a 65' and this helped a TON! Miss you bro! ❤
The only tip I would add onto your advice is to use two drum keys at once and tune the opposing lugs together. Like you said with your guitar string analogy, it keeps the change in tension even across the "string" if you loosen or tighten both ends equally and at the same time
Great videos! I've been playing for 18 years but always looking to learn more. I like the way you explain every aspect of what your doing.
Thanks so much, Trey! Be sure to turn on notifications so you don't miss any upcoming releases. Cheers! -Ben
BS its a video of talking zero playing !
best drum videos on the internet ... more cats need to be on to this
Thanks so much! Help us spread the word. Cheers!
already been spreading ... these videos fill an enormous drum content gap that has existed on the internet since its inception
Thank you! 🙏🏻
AGREED! this gentleman is above the curve to be sure....
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This channel is amazing, greetings from Mexico! *:)*
This is great, wow. An in depth explanation but at the same time interesting. Been looking for something like this for so long!
"fuss with the lugs"
that one got me, LOL
Always always always left wanting to hear how things sound with a full kit.
Which is one of the reasons why we demonstrate everything in the context of at least a basic setup now. Cheers!
Thank you. I appreciate the time you take to make these purpose filled videos. Keep up the great work!
A cool effect that I like is to take that same towel / handkerchief and flatten it out and lay it over the batter head. It gives a super muffled vintage-y sound. More of an effect, but still pretty cool sometimes!
Great videos. I'd like to see some bass drum related videos in the future.
Thanks! We'll be getting into the rest of the kit soon. Any specific topics you'd like to see covered with regards to bass drums?
Is there really such a difference between Bass mounted Toms vs virgin Bass drums?
tmaddrummer Hey there! Honestly I think it’s debatable but I haven’t noticed a discernible difference at all. The weight of mounting hardware and toms could stifle some resonance but it’s not something I really worry about. I have however put tape or cloth in the mounting hole to stifle air escaping from it when the toms aren’t mounted and I’m using a full front head to maximize the tone. Hope that helps!!
Back to Motown and even 1920s trad jazz from New Orleans.
Absolutely! Some excellent snare sounds were born in those times.
Oh yeah, and bebob too. Snare drum like an uptown ass
Thanks for this video, it's going to come in handy for recording!
Your videos are AWESOME!
Excellent info presented very clearly. Thank you!
Great material guys, enjoying all your videos and learning A LOT! Keep it u!
Thanks so much! Glad to hear that you're getting a lot out of the series. Help spread the word about the channel to your fellow drummers!
12:30 is like the perfect metal snare sound for me. Percussive and short but with a nice snare sizzle to back up the low concussive thud.
I find It awful, I crank mine super high. I guess it's personal preference
This is a fantastic video! I’m on a quest to make my Supra sound as good as yours!
Thanks! You can do it!
Thanks for this one. Can't wait to get some of my metal snares out & give this stuff a try. J1T: do we all agree that those screw-type pegs are called tension rods?
Fantastic information in this episode, thank you. I've found this low/muffled type sound is great in the right applications but perhaps if unmiced in a large club it does not project so well .
Yep, I'd have to agree. Low/broad snare sounds like this definitely don't throw the sound in a large club the way something with more midrange bite would. The combination of a large club and no mics on the kit really limits things :) Cheers!
Thanks. I'm not a drummer, but this explains why I can't get the snare sound I like from my virtual drum software. Changing the pitch of a virtual snare is not the same thing as what you demonstrated in this video.
For a great snare sound in an orchesta setting back in High School, some of the people in percussion used wallets. Wallets can even be good for a tight funky track if you like that sound.
Great video, thanks!
something i've always wished for is a drum on a drumset that can actually somewhat faithfully reproduce the sound of a big japanese taiko drum, i think it would rock
Wow you know your stuff man, keep it up.
love your videos! 2 questions: do you also have a video explaining how to tune a snare for funk music (high tuning i reckon)? and second question: do you know in what year ludwig started using p88 strainers and rubber gaskets on their supraphonics?
I really dig what you guys do. How about a small kicks (16”) and big snares (14x8 and up) series?
I refer anyone who has a 10 lug snare drum to Udo Mashoff. He has the ultimate snare tuning trick that doesn't suck like this kind of tuning. Udo Mashoff, 'the best snare tuning trick ever'. You are seriously missing out if you don't watch it. I can replicate it in minutes, no wank factor.
lol i love that tom planter :D
Great vid and great channel. Thanks for sharing 👍
What kind of batter is best for this sound? Single ply? Maybe something with a dot in the middle?
Man, I realy whant to say I've been learning a lot with your videos. I play drums for more then 20 years now. For most of these time I've been playing a verry tight snare sound. I got bored of it. I was looking so mush for a diferent sound, this vintage electronic sound and at the time so actual, coming from bands like Jungle.
I have to say I manage to get the sound from my piccolo just before I found your video. Gheting the right low point of tension is not that easy, imagine in a piccolo :). But yes, its there, its so good and confortable and smooth.
Now, the strugle is: thecnicians! They seam not to understant what we are poiting to in terms of sound tibre. And eaven other drummers. Man, just one of this days a guy came to play a couple of songs and ruined a week of work to tune my snare where I needed... baaaa.
Any way, just to say a Big Thanks here from Portugal. Obrigado!!
Thanks for watching! It's very interesting to see how some people haven't gotten this sound in their ears yet and don't necessarily hear the context under which this is such a fitting drum sound. Not to worry about the retuning of your drum- the more you tune to where you want the drum to be, the better you'll get. Take your time and be sure to practice! -Ben
You helped me to tune my 14 x 8 so it sounds fatter than Peter Griffin and warm as a Christmas fire place
I have a Piccolo snare would this work with my snare? How do I get the other drums in the kit to sound right once I adjusted the pitch of the snare?
You definitely need to double check when buying snares which type! I only buy “funny” snares when I’m doing comedy shows, I personally prefer a serious snare for flexibility..... then people know you mean business!!
I like the sound you created above, I would use that mostly for studio work, but for live gigs my arms would get soo tired 😓 after an hour of playing, especially when I eventually do a drum solo, hence tighter skin less inertia = more speed - less energy expended 🤔👍🇬🇧
Nice class!
This is phenomenal content. Thanks for your in-depth look at the topic
Thanks for watching! Please help spread the word about the channel by sharing the videos with your drummer friends. Cheers!
garbage all he does is talk !
Thank you for the video. Could you tell me how many turns on each lug there were at your starting point? It would be very interesting to know how many turns you would consider your mid tension point
A tension key makes this so easy. Set them top heads to a 1 and the bottom to 2 and that is it. 😉
Tension key?
Killer video man. Thanks!!
Thanks so much for watching! Be sure to share this with your drummer friends.
The head itself can make a difference - an Evans EC Reverse dot or a Remo CS White Dot would help with fatness …of course, the control ring in this video has a similar effect
Thank you, this was great !
I saw you tune up a lot of lugs that were higher than the ones next to them around 9:00. What was behind that? It looked like you were bringing a lot of the wrong lugs up.
This video! I fell into the trap of using a big fat snare drum. Don't get me wrong, they have their place, but they don't and should not replace a very well tuned, fat snare for a couple reasons:
1) its easy to just slap one on and let it do the tuning for you. I've seen so many people solve bad tuning with bfsd or e-rings and you don't get the best sound you can get!
2) The big fat snare drum product may drop the pitch of the whole snare, but I found myself disappointed that it also took away a lot of the body of the snare sound and decreased the volume dramatically. This doesn't fly when you need that powerful, throaty back beat.
Use these products wisely guys!!
Does the reso tension also affect how the wires themselves sound ? In certain rooms it can sound like there is too much wire sound.
Absolutely. The degree of tension can effect how much/how long the wires sing after the initial strike as well as effecting how bright or dark the wires sound to the listener. In my experience, low snare-side head=dark, trashy wire sound and then as you increase tension the wires will find a nice equilibrium with the drum and start to speak more smoothly. As you go higher and higher, the wires will sound brighter and brighter until the snare-side head chokes out. If I have the option, I will also sometimes choose wires based on what kind of tuning scheme i'm going for, be it 42-strand for a low pillowy sound, or maybe 16-strand or cable-snares for a super high-tuned scenario where articulation is the primary concern. Hope that helps!
It's like glam metal snare drum, none of those extra ringing noise after you hit it
Lemme guess... tension it lower and maybe use some sort of muffling? Am I way off?
Is there anything we can do to get a Trick 3 step throw off video? it would be great to see how much you can expand your snare sound and tuning based off that mechanism
Hit up Trick and let them know what you’d like to see. Product-focused videos are driven by you and the brands.
I like how you get this across. What part of the States are you from? I'd love to see you at next year's NAMM show or some other event coming up?
Cody is from the Pacific Northwest but we're best in Brooklyn, NY. -Ben
Fat drum sound for life
This sound has been crazy popular lately, but I still immediately think of "Kiss" by Prince and want to get up and wiggle my booty. Love this!
Ha! We hear ya on that one.
I don't have much pull in the industry, but I've been sharing your videos anyway. :)
Every little bit helps! Thanks for your efforts. #drumfam
Kiss sounds like a LinnDrum.
househansa it is
Hey man what is the name of this Ludwig snare you're playing? I was gifted one of these years and years ago it's one of my favorite songs just never know when it's called
This is a LM400 Supraphonic.
This may be an odd question, but here goes. If you analyze the sound on Chris Slades snaredrum on "Ac/dc-live at Donington ". In which direction should I go tune/head-wise? I´ve always admired the power of that snaresound he got back then.
We go into the process of matching reference tracks here: th-cam.com/video/Nu2V_KlAppw/w-d-xo.html
Nice video man!
Ahh yes, always smash your snare with a sledgehammer to get the fattest sound
Great. Thanks.
Hello Cody, my name is Michael. First let me thank you for your great YT channel, I´ve discovered you 2 days ago, watching Ep.16 right now. Great and serious content, big thumbs up!
I am quite into gear, tunning, giging and stuff and few days ago I´ve purchased old Dennis Chambers signature snare 14x6,5 5mm maple shell with rings and an idea came across my mind. I tried to tune it medium low, but the shell didn´t respond for the "fat" frequencies as well as my other wooden snare drums, which are thicker in their shells. Even that DC signature is quite high-end drum and it should cover the whole tunning range, it feels the best quite cranked up - as usual as Dennis used it the most. Do you think, that less material means higher frequency respond (like bass X guitar). In the oposite in the case of cymbals less material in the same size means lower fundamental tone. Whats your thoughts about it?
THX for the thing you do!
Regards, Michael (Czech Republic)
Hi Michael! Thanks for watching. Glad to hear that you're enjoying the series. With regards to your question, thinner shells will typically have a lower fundamental frequency that is present with less force needing to be applied due to the lesser mass. You should definitely be able to achieve a deep sound from a 14x6.5" snare drum. We'd recommend following along with Ep. 6 to get you started. Cheers! -Ben th-cam.com/video/dYvcTL8v9jI/w-d-xo.html&
Hey off topic but how did you get those tapping green screen effects? Cant find them anywhere
I created them in After Effects. -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum awesome! I just wanted to know cuz I wanted use the same idea in my recent drum cover! Il definitely try that in my next video! Thank you for the info
What was the pitches of the two heads in the end?
At around 6 mins you lower the reso to help control the top head ringing so much, any idea whats going on physics wise between the heads before and after this step ?
Tricky to say definitively, but my theory is that a higher snare-side head will behave like a trampoline and feed more vibration into the batter head, resulting in a more prolonged ring. I find it primarily an issue in situations like this where the batter head is tuned low. Same as with a tom (or floor tom especially), the resonant or snare-side head really does behave like a kind of tone-control for the batter head and the overall sound of the drum, especially where length-of-note is concerned.
if two sources are tuned close to each other or in harmonic ratios, ie fifth, third, te waves from the two sources will interact with each other. If the peaks of the waves are close to matching the volume increases or if the peaks of one wave match with the valeys of the other, the volume decreases. So the two heads of the drum interact with each other
I wonder what my 14/8 black beauty would sound like with these Lower tunings
Probably non-existent just like your "14/8 black beauty"
You also loose a good bit of volume with a low tuned snare.
And an O ring to mute the ringing of sustain.
My Supraphonic is already too fat I wanna know ehy
I tried watching all the episodes via playlist, but two episodes got deleted. Was this due to copyright?
We had some upload errors with a couple of episodes but those have been removed from playlists. Which playlist were you watching that had deleted episodes showing? We create and own all of our content so there isn’t even a chance of copyright infringement.
Sounds Like A Drum I think I was trying to watch all the episodes in order.
Oh, i love rocket science! Really though, it's really hard to tune like this:)
I watch a lot of these videos, but I really do wish there was more playing of what ever drum(s) you're demonstrating. I get what you're trying to do, but I guarantee the bulk of your subscribers would appreciate a more realistic play-through. It would give us a more contextual glimpse into the tone that you've achieved, and would also be much more entertaining. I hope this comment comes across as constructive, as I do enjoy the channel.
How would I go about getting a snare to have a sharp "pop" sound like the sound of a bowling pin being knocked over?
Short answer is get the batter up in the stratosphere and make sure you don’t over-tighten the snareside, choking it out will take away from the wires contributing good stuff to the overall sound :) - Cody
Sounds Like A Drum 👍are there any drum dimensions or materials you would recommend ? For example a 14x6 brass over 13x3 wood?
How does one set up their drums so they sound like their drums from their new album
Can’t say that we’ve listened to the new 5FDP album but do keep in mind that, when listening to and working to emulate fully engineered drum sounds in an acoustic only environment, you’re listening to close-mix’d, EQ’d, compressed sounds that may be supported with samples or even samples themselves. You can tune for a pitch and sustain similar to what you’re hearing but it’s borderline impossible to accurately reproduce a produced drum sound in a fully analog environment.
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Great video. More rimshot! ;-)
Cheers for the videos ! great stuff,
i need help thou, i have a 6.5 supra with the same badge, can someone tell me when it was actually assembled? i can figure it out with google, wiki, etc.
Hey there! Ludwig is one brand with pretty solid information online regarding dating a drum via the serial number on the badge. Different variations of the Blue/Olive badge have appeared over the course of the last 40-50 years, so our recommendation is to check the guide at Ludwig's website : www.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/ludwig/serial-guide - Hope that helps!!
Thanks so much, Ivan! Regarding your Supraphonic 402, this resource should help: www.supraphonicsnaredrum.com/article_serial_numbers.htm It's also possible that you may have a modern drum.
suggestion:maybe play the drum your talking about(tuning)in context with kit................................ id like to hear it
Thanks for the feedback! We’ll be producing more videos with contextual demos in the future. Cheers! -Ben
54 dislikes are from people who own a Stagg drumset.
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Step 1: buy cardboard box
Step 2: tape a sheet of paper to the top
Step 3: DRUM
reminds me of Lana Del Rey Summer time sadness
Ffdp drums?
What about them?
@@SoundsLikeADrum how does one set up their drums so they sound like their drums from their new album
@@seanmichel3401 Death Punch has a pretty heavily mixed drum sound. Their first album has dry drums, everything after that had lots of compression + some gated reverb to beef up the snare. Listen to The Way Of The Fist and compare the drum sounds. First album is more true-to-life, despite the triggers.
How to get a big fat snare sound. 1) buy a big fat snare. 2) buy Superior Drummer 3
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Carl Palmer won't be watching this.
Or just throw a BFSD on top and get that big boofy sound in seconds.
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Why can’t he just play the snare after each tune 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩. His little “3 hits” just isn’t working for me. Ahhhhhhh