This was a great discussion, very glad you'e finally gotten round to this one. One minor link which you might not spot from reading them out of order. The new interrogator in main Magos story, Voriet, is the one Beta encounters in the fight at the start of Pariah. So you now know what happened to him.
I am kind of grumpy that they include the magos novella at the end of the new print of the eisenhorn omnibus but you don't get the back story of short stories Pestilence, Master Imus, Titus, and the previous 2 Dresher stories. When he goes into his fever dream I was kind of confused and now I have to go back and read those.
A lot of these stories were included in the Ravenor and Eisenhorn omnibuses, as they were scattered/written for many other purposes/pubications, but they were put in the Magos becase Dan Abnett decided to pull them together as a more cohesive tale, which is why you reread some. Also Bloodlines is an amazing Noir story set in WH 40k, and really digs deep into the civillain side! Plus the protagonist is grumpy and doesn't have time for a lot this s***
@@tashkashka now I'm intrigued, which original do you refer to? I only know the Egyptian-hired mercenaries and I'm pretty confident the Magi spelling is supposed to be a phonetic approximation of their actual prononciation
@Manuel Weidmann probably greek μάγος and actual "magi" is the latin plural in which im pretty sure it was hard g. Not very sure of this at all so feel free to correct.
I loved the relationship between the cop and the accademic from grudging colleagues, to off screen marriage to embittered exes to actually still very intensely tied up with each other emotionally...
The algorithm randomly recommended your channel the other week I just wanted to say thanks. Your lore videos are really well done and approachable for someone like me who has enjoyed some of the 40k computer games and always thought the setting seemed fun but never owned a model or got deeper into it. And the book club is great; you and Mira have a really nice rapport and since Mira isn't a walking 40k encyclopedia it's also really easy to get into.
You missed the most important part... Eisenhorn smiled! 😄 And yea, in the afterward Dan says he hadn't written the stories with the intent of them being tied together, in fact he was only tasked to write a novella but in the process "realised" he had been writing a novel the whole time 😊
Hi there! My husband and me love your book club videos. Please go on doing them! We are watching them so slowly because we try our best to read the books you talk about before we see your videos! It’s great! Like a international book club ;) Greetings from Germany :)
Best stand alone of the recent lot for me is Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work. It has real wit and the audio book is read by John Banks, who is so perfect for Cawl. A real surprise this one, took me two attempts to start it, but then it sunk it's teeth into me.
Absolutely brilliant review of the MAGOS. Your (the both of you) recitation of the novellas within - ignited the embers of my Abnett fandom - already purchased the book online while listening to you guys. Arigato! 💫💫💫💫💫
I would love to see you guys review the Night Lords Omnibus. Not a stand alone, I know, but not that long to read to be fair. And I'd love to see Mira's feedback on this particular Legion and their grimest grim dark way to handle things. + that's an Aaron Dembski-Bowden series, and I remember you enjoyed The Spear of the Emperor.
Gaunts Ghosts has a series of short stories which are quite character driven (I believe just before the Necropolis story?). That might be a good way to have some Gaunt in the club without it going too "I moved my left flank". The Ghost stories are really nice, but probably a bit too militaristic for Mira to enjoy fully.
Okay, finished the video. I don't think I got anything else to add, except maybe that a lot of the stories also have this theme of the Imperium (and Eisenhorn, and Ravenor) using people, and then not really caring what happens to them. Those guys at the asylum (though one Ciaphas Cain novel had a throwaway line which mentioned that a planet which contained a facility to care for traumatised soldiers also produced a lot of servitors, so it could be worse, I guess), Master Imus, Titus Endor, the disbanded regiment, Drusher... you get what I'm trying to say. On to suggestions, as if you didn't already have enough of those: I've seen a lot of people recommending _The Emperor's Gift_ by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, and yeah, it's pretty good. We get to learn some interesting things about the Grey Knights (did you know they don't worship the Emperor as a god? Seems a bit odd to me), the Inquisition, and the Imperium as a whole, there's a lot of stuff happening, maybe too much, and it's connected to the Ravenor series in a slightly strange way. Staying on the topic of Space Marines, there's the _Knights of Calliban_ Omnibus, written by Gav "Take a shot" Thorpe. _The Purging of Kadillus_ is a fairly standard Space Marine Battles thing, with the Dark Angels fighting some Orks. There are some standout moments, like the brief bits where Ghazghkull gets to be the main character, or when a Dark Angels chaplain takes the time to repair a damaged statue with "a slab of two-part resin" (Greenstuff?), feeling immensely pleased with himself and the heavy symbolism of taking care of even minor damage... which is immediately followed by a scene of massive carnage, which he himself makes even worse (of course, he manages to justify that, too). Oh yeah, there's also Naaman, the guy who actually has a model. So if Mira asks "Can you use that on the tabletop", the answer is yes... in some of the older editions, at least. The follow-up novel, _Angels of Darkness_ , is much more interesting, focusing on the survivors from the previous novel chasing after some of the Fallen. There's also an interrogation of one of the Fallen, and he gets to explain how he, as someone who was alive during the Horus Heresy (he's actually in some of the Horus Heresy novels, which is a nice touch), sees the Imperium and the role of a Space Marine, compared to the modern version of them. And then there's _Azrael_ ,which focuses on Azrael fighting against Chaos and going on a vision quest to become Supreme Grand Master. It's fine. I haven't read the follow-up series, _Legacy of Caliban_ , yet, but I'm planning to. Moving on, there are some Warhammer Horror short stories, if you like short stories. Which I do. A lot of them have a sort of Gothic horror vibe, which Mira might enjoy. Some of them go a bit over the top with gore and scary imagery, which feels a bit silly. I guess that's what happens when you take something like Warhammer, which is already thoroughly unpleasant and over the top, and a bit silly, and try to make it into a horror setting. First of, there's _Mud and Mist_ , by John Goodrich. What I like about it is that it takes what is essentially a fairly mundande situation in a game of 40k and shows it from the perspective of a regular guardsman. That's a clever use of the source material. _A Threnody for Kolchev_ by Darius Hinks is a nice story about musicians and a cursed instrument from the little shop that wasn't there yesterday. A bit of a cliché, I suppose, but entertaining. _The Colonel's Monograph_ by Graham McNeill goes full on Victorian era, with a scary mansion, complete with spooky butler (well, he's a servitor, but close enough) in a remote village, people driven mad by forbidden knowledge, and all that good stuff. It also contains what I think is the single most genuinely unpleasant line of dialogue in any Warhammer story, so that's a plus. And last but not least, there's _Tesserae_ by Richard Strachan. I usually skip the Age of Sigmar stuff, but this on stars a -dwarf- duardin™, and I like those guys. Again, creepy mansion, nice story. I could go on, but I see that I've gone on long enough already. Sorry about that. Books. Read them. They're fun. Or don't.
Late to the party but recently started Abnett's Inquisitor books and the Magos makes it very obvious that Abnett has really progressed as a writer over the years, it has real pathos and emotional character moments and I loved the short stories as background. The only featured short story that wasn't tied in at all was the Patience Kys one
Aww, this video made me so happy. It's the most charming of the Eisenhorn books perhaps because it feels the most relatable. While I agree you shouldn't read the Horus Heresy. I think you should have to want to read that rather than be told to - it might be fun to get Mira to read the first book and, when it's released, the last one (both parts) and then try to suppose what happened in between.
Ravenor and Eisenhorn's meeting in Perihelion is so sad. Ravenor was given two options by the Inquisition; hunt down Eisenhorn or take a desk job (and not use his psychic abilities). For Gregor, he chose being trapped in his chair 🥲
I'll comment before watching, and maybe add something once I'm done. I think I actually liked the short stories more then the novel, maybe because I just really like short stories in general. They give nice, varied glimpses into the vast universe of 40k. The actual novel felt... odd. I guess it's because most of it is from the point of view of Magos Drusher, a very unusual and likable protagonist for a Warhammer story. It was sort of nice to see everything the short stories established come together, but at the same time, there wasn't much actual plot. Eisenhorn investigates a spooky castle, fights some cultists in a weird place, and foils yet another nefarious plot. There was much more focus on Eisenhorn's psyche and how his work did and did not change him, but after all he's been through, it just feels weird to pick this as some sort of great turning point with personal revelations and such. Sorry if I'm a bit incoherent, it's getting late.
I loved The Magos, the way the short stories fit together with the main plot was very well done! I honestly have no memory of the story mentioned at 56:47 about Eisenhorn in a relationship on some sort of space journey. Was this a limited run novella or something?
There were 12 short stories and The Magos in this book. I think 9 of the stories in the book were released before The Magos. I think they were in Inferno and/or released standalone, but also published 3 each in the Eisenhorn and Ravenor omnibus books, and 3 as a collection called Thorn and Talon. The other 3 of 12 I don't know. I might be wrong, but most were released before The Magos I believe.
SInce Mira showed some interest in some Tau stories, I would likely want her to check out Broken Sword. Its very tau beginner friendly, introducing them to a human main character, and is I think my favorite expression of the complicated question of "are they better than the Imperium for humanity?" Voice of Experience is also very good, somewhat similar setup but is more modern and way shorter as a short story.
just finished The Magos a few days ago. I really like listening to the stories in chronological order (intertwining novels and short stories). I really liked the Titus Endor short story, which I know is not that popular because it's so weird.
Addendum: So people now enjoy The Strange Demise of Titus Endor? When did that happen? or am I just misremembering the fandom really not liking that short story?
Solid Jumper choice by Mira. Nothing screams Grimdark like the Moomins. As an unidentified Zenos race I feel like the Inquistors might have some questions for her!
Just wait until the Moomins team up with the denizens of Button Moon. Mr Spoon being the front man for Dark Overlord Pingu! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_Moon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu
Missed opportunity for describing "The Pestilence" as "Heart of Grimdarkness" ;) And the Apple TV show Mira's referring to is "Severance" and quite difficult to pitch without entirely spoiling it.
Mira how old are you? You make reference to things you look nowhere old to remember, mini metro, David Bellamy. Are particularly well preserved, or have your parents battered you senseless with 70s 80s culture. Loving your work by the way.
Please do "Lords of Silence" or "Brutal Kunnin"! Was his end vision quest as you described it the part where he's in some building in a desert in the City of Dust? I get memories of some desert with a black sun vibe in an ancient temple hunting Cognitae.
Next book series should be the opening arc of the heresy I think! To give Mira the Keeler backstory ;) but I think she’d also like Gaunt’s Ghosts, such great characters! Could possibly start with Necropolis…
I started with the bath robe review, that earn my subscription. I have enjoyed your channel very much ever since. For a book that is a great place to start in the 40K universe, “Brothers of the Snake”, Dan Abnett (again) was/is my favorite book introducing Space Marines. I highly recommend it.
I was going to recommend that one, especially since it's such a fun take on Ultramarine successors. but I think they want to take a break from Abnett? Maybe Spears of the Emperor by ADB? that's a killer with a cool POV character.
If you continue to read Dan Abnetts work you will become quite familiar with ghosts. He's got pretty good at writing them now I think it's fair to say. The little meeting with Eisenhorn and Ravenor at the tower sequence I noticed you mention basically; "this could have been an email" kind of view. Thing is I disagree. For a super secret meeting with someone who is persona non grata finding a planet in the middle of nowhere with no native imperial presence seems like exactly the sort of meeting spot you should have for really dangerous information. And I don't know if you noticed but a lot of information can be hacked from those imperial consoles people use, psyker messages can be intercepted or lost. Eisenhorn basically consorting with daemons from the warp and being involved in some very serious events that rocked the entire system kind of means any attempt to talk to him is like opening admitting you're trying to send a love letter to a terrorist. Bit sus don't you think? Remember by this point the tragedy that befell Ravenors elite holdings on his home planet of operations was totally blown open by a spy or something right? And his holdings across multiple planets systematically destroyed and basically pushed him into the shadows. Both of these guys have been seriously burned by doing things in the open in the past so I think it's entirely reasonable for them to both decide to be very very careful about how they meet up. I do find it kind of funny how Mira keeps looking for love stories though. Like watching a horror film for a cooking recipe, it's not going to be the one you want lol.
I started Xenos through other channels, but by now one of the most compelling reasons to keep going with the series is following your book club, guys. You're a lot of fun :) I find the books entertaining and they have compelling stories. Nevertheless, the characters aren't that so. Most of them, to my taste, are generic action heroes and little else, excluding some moments. Carl Thonius's addiction and latter possession, for example, although interesting, could had much more impact if we had had the opportunity to connect with him properly before. Valentine Drusher, on the other hand, it's the first that I've felt like a real person who reacts properly to all the shit he goes through. He's quite intelligent, but he hasn't like infinite knowledge of things; given his background, he's not a coward. As Nayl points, you need something to throw yourself into a fight without knowing how yo defend yourself; he has all the quirks, virtues and flaws that make a proper character, so this is the book I've enjoyed most by far and has enough foreshadowing to hype me into reading Pariah. Thank you guys for this ^^ PD: taxonomy and and field biology are proper sciences, so yes, Drusher is a scientist, not just a dude that makes watercolours of the animals he sees :P
Book suggestion you say? Mira likes mysteries? Then it is time to dip into the warhammer crime books! Go for Bloodlines by the amazing Chris Wraight, the black libraries best author (sorry DA and ADB fans!!!)
Funny how Drusher could make top Inquisitor material compared to Eisenhorn and Ravenor, both of them are cackling charicatures at this point. Probably a testimony of Dan's evolution as a writer too.
Re: “mangos”: my Ancient Greek didn’t”5 even make it to GCSE, but I’m pretty sure γ is a hard “g”. Magi would be Latin, and the soft “g” may have come in with medieval church Latin. How we say “Gemini” may be wrong, or I may be wrong.
sorry if this is a stupid question, I just picked up the Eisenhorn Omnibus which says it contains The Magos over the last 200 pages of its 940 pages but that 'The Magos' looks alot bigger than that?
they indeed cut out most of the short stories from that. they only kept Regia Occulta, Missing in Action, Backcloth, and the Keeler Image. None of which are actually all that relevant (maybe except reggia)
Thorn wishes talon was set before Ravenor goes to Eustice Majoris for the first time. you should listen to the original audio drama "it's on audible" and it's far better than Tobys effort. Garrath Armstrong plays Eisenhorn and Jonathan Keeble Voices Ravenor. I forget who does Nayel but he is portrayed with a London accent. Anyway, that version makes more sense and is extremely funny at times. Well worth the price.
For newer authors I really enjoyed Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waagh by Nate Crowley. Let Makari introduce Mira to a proper important character instead of another oomie weakling!
The Horus Heresy series is really too big of an undertaking. Personally I stopped after the first dozen-or-so books. Maybe do the first 4, they're pretty much essential reading but then you can pick and choose the interesting one-offs. I liked Legion, Mechanicum and Nemesis but I really didn't get much further with them. Or for something more lighthearted, Kal Jerico: Sinners Bounty is a lot of fun.
Do Vincula Insurgency, It's so fucking uncanny (not bad mind you) that i would like to see another human react to it because it cooked my fucking brain.
Mira and Ian are the best advert for the Black Library.
Let's all appreciate Mira's Moomin sweater! I didn't know that was something shown in the UK.
The books are well known children's books in the UK.
@@centerfield6339 Indeed, they were a big part of my childhood reading; lovely, charming and scary.
I remember the original animation in the UK. Little mie was terrifying!
Moomins are the best. They're finnish aren't they?
@@hunacean yes. Also popular here in Sweden were I live
The interrogator who visits Drusher at the end of the Magos is the guy killed in the Maze Undue at the start of Pariah
This was a great discussion, very glad you'e finally gotten round to this one.
One minor link which you might not spot from reading them out of order. The new interrogator in main Magos story, Voriet, is the one Beta encounters in the fight at the start of Pariah. So you now know what happened to him.
I am kind of grumpy that they include the magos novella at the end of the new print of the eisenhorn omnibus but you don't get the back story of short stories Pestilence, Master Imus, Titus, and the previous 2 Dresher stories. When he goes into his fever dream I was kind of confused and now I have to go back and read those.
01.50 Mira's dramatic action movie plot announcement, really sets the tone ! 😆🤩😊
A lot of these stories were included in the Ravenor and Eisenhorn omnibuses, as they were scattered/written for many other purposes/pubications, but they were put in the Magos becase Dan Abnett decided to pull them together as a more cohesive tale, which is why you reread some.
Also Bloodlines is an amazing Noir story set in WH 40k, and really digs deep into the civillain side! Plus the protagonist is grumpy and doesn't have time for a lot this s***
Mira the Moomin Magos now lives rent free in my head ♥
I thought the same thing that is so weird. I don’t even know what moomin is (don’t kill me)
The g in Magos is hard as in guy, in Magi it is soft and pronounsed as a j as in jam
As an addendum:
i, e: leading consonant is soft
a, o, u: leading consonant is hard
Which is a pretty standard thing in English and French.
In magi it's also hard g in the original
@@tashkashka now I'm intrigued, which original do you refer to? I only know the Egyptian-hired mercenaries and I'm pretty confident the Magi spelling is supposed to be a phonetic approximation of their actual prononciation
@Manuel Weidmann probably greek μάγος and actual "magi" is the latin plural in which im pretty sure it was hard g. Not very sure of this at all so feel free to correct.
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More Mira always brightens the day. Well done on the book review. A ten book series can be a slog.
I loved the relationship between the cop and the accademic from grudging colleagues, to off screen marriage to embittered exes to actually still very intensely tied up with each other emotionally...
Ha! I never thought about as off screen marriage but that's exactly what it was.
The algorithm randomly recommended your channel the other week I just wanted to say thanks. Your lore videos are really well done and approachable for someone like me who has enjoyed some of the 40k computer games and always thought the setting seemed fun but never owned a model or got deeper into it. And the book club is great; you and Mira have a really nice rapport and since Mira isn't a walking 40k encyclopedia it's also really easy to get into.
You missed the most important part... Eisenhorn smiled! 😄
And yea, in the afterward Dan says he hadn't written the stories with the intent of them being tied together, in fact he was only tasked to write a novella but in the process "realised" he had been writing a novel the whole time 😊
That smile!
After losing it for thousands of pages, decades in book, I thought that was a cool little twist.
Maybe the real warp magic was the friends we made along the way!
I can't remember, did he get his face muscles repaired, or did it just heal eventually?
@@AliceBowie IIRC it wasn't explicitly stated but I was left with the impression that it had to do with his time spent in the loom.
Hi there! My husband and me love your book club videos. Please go on doing them! We are watching them so slowly because we try our best to read the books you talk about before we see your videos! It’s great! Like a international book club ;)
Greetings from Germany :)
Willkommen im Buchclub!
Best stand alone of the recent lot for me is Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work. It has real wit and the audio book is read by John Banks, who is so perfect for Cawl. A real surprise this one, took me two attempts to start it, but then it sunk it's teeth into me.
Absolutely brilliant review of the MAGOS. Your (the both of you) recitation of the novellas within - ignited the embers of my Abnett fandom - already purchased the book online while listening to you guys. Arigato! 💫💫💫💫💫
I would love to see you guys review the Night Lords Omnibus. Not a stand alone, I know, but not that long to read to be fair. And I'd love to see Mira's feedback on this particular Legion and their grimest grim dark way to handle things. + that's an Aaron Dembski-Bowden series, and I remember you enjoyed The Spear of the Emperor.
Brilliant, as always. Love the trailer intro by Mira! I didn’t realise I had forgotten so much of such a good book
Awesome. I love your book club videos. They are my favorite videos on your channel.
The Biologist magos is great
Gaunts Ghosts has a series of short stories which are quite character driven (I believe just before the Necropolis story?). That might be a good way to have some Gaunt in the club without it going too "I moved my left flank".
The Ghost stories are really nice, but probably a bit too militaristic for Mira to enjoy fully.
I don't know if I'm miss-remembering but it was during his attempt at becoming a grail is when his eyes turn violet ?
Guys, the "Magos" is wizard in Greek. It is pronounced with a as the a in that. The g is like the g in egg.
It's like watching Kirsty and Phil from the property ladder talk warhammer 😀
Absolutely love this. Took me back to all the characters. Thanks guys 🙏
Toby Longworth does a fantastic job narrating, I love the silly voices! Unworth and Uber Aemos are standouts
I love how the concepts from these inquisitor books have now leaked over into the Heresy books 😮
Yay I love this series! I just recently found your channel and I think I’ve seen all of the vids already. Y’all are great
The Apple TV show Mira's thinking of is called 'Severance' btw - it's great!
So ive read xenos, malleus, and hereticus. Does this pick up after the 3rd book?
Okay, finished the video. I don't think I got anything else to add, except maybe that a lot of the stories also have this theme of the Imperium (and Eisenhorn, and Ravenor) using people, and then not really caring what happens to them.
Those guys at the asylum (though one Ciaphas Cain novel had a throwaway line which mentioned that a planet which contained a facility to care for traumatised soldiers also produced a lot of servitors, so it could be worse, I guess), Master Imus, Titus Endor, the disbanded regiment, Drusher... you get what I'm trying to say.
On to suggestions, as if you didn't already have enough of those:
I've seen a lot of people recommending _The Emperor's Gift_ by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, and yeah, it's pretty good. We get to learn some interesting things about the Grey Knights (did you know they don't worship the Emperor as a god? Seems a bit odd to me), the Inquisition, and the Imperium as a whole, there's a lot of stuff happening, maybe too much, and it's connected to the Ravenor series in a slightly strange way.
Staying on the topic of Space Marines, there's the _Knights of Calliban_ Omnibus, written by Gav "Take a shot" Thorpe. _The Purging of Kadillus_ is a fairly standard Space Marine Battles thing, with the Dark Angels fighting some Orks. There are some standout moments, like the brief bits where Ghazghkull gets to be the main character, or when a Dark Angels chaplain takes the time to repair a damaged statue with "a slab of two-part resin" (Greenstuff?), feeling immensely pleased with himself and the heavy symbolism of taking care of even minor damage... which is immediately followed by a scene of massive carnage, which he himself makes even worse (of course, he manages to justify that, too).
Oh yeah, there's also Naaman, the guy who actually has a model. So if Mira asks "Can you use that on the tabletop", the answer is yes... in some of the older editions, at least.
The follow-up novel, _Angels of Darkness_ , is much more interesting, focusing on the survivors from the previous novel chasing after some of the Fallen. There's also an interrogation of one of the Fallen, and he gets to explain how he, as someone who was alive during the Horus Heresy (he's actually in some of the Horus Heresy novels, which is a nice touch), sees the Imperium and the role of a Space Marine, compared to the modern version of them.
And then there's _Azrael_ ,which focuses on Azrael fighting against Chaos and going on a vision quest to become Supreme Grand Master. It's fine.
I haven't read the follow-up series, _Legacy of Caliban_ , yet, but I'm planning to.
Moving on, there are some Warhammer Horror short stories, if you like short stories. Which I do. A lot of them have a sort of Gothic horror vibe, which Mira might enjoy. Some of them go a bit over the top with gore and scary imagery, which feels a bit silly. I guess that's what happens when you take something like Warhammer, which is already thoroughly unpleasant and over the top, and a bit silly, and try to make it into a horror setting.
First of, there's _Mud and Mist_ , by John Goodrich. What I like about it is that it takes what is essentially a fairly mundande situation in a game of 40k and shows it from the perspective of a regular guardsman. That's a clever use of the source material.
_A Threnody for Kolchev_ by Darius Hinks is a nice story about musicians and a cursed instrument from the little shop that wasn't there yesterday. A bit of a cliché, I suppose, but entertaining.
_The Colonel's Monograph_ by Graham McNeill goes full on Victorian era, with a scary mansion, complete with spooky butler (well, he's a servitor, but close enough) in a remote village, people driven mad by forbidden knowledge, and all that good stuff. It also contains what I think is the single most genuinely unpleasant line of dialogue in any Warhammer story, so that's a plus.
And last but not least, there's _Tesserae_ by Richard Strachan. I usually skip the Age of Sigmar stuff, but this on stars a -dwarf- duardin™, and I like those guys. Again, creepy mansion, nice story.
I could go on, but I see that I've gone on long enough already. Sorry about that.
Books. Read them. They're fun.
Or don't.
Late to the party but recently started Abnett's Inquisitor books and the Magos makes it very obvious that Abnett has really progressed as a writer over the years, it has real pathos and emotional character moments and I loved the short stories as background. The only featured short story that wasn't tied in at all was the Patience Kys one
Aww, this video made me so happy. It's the most charming of the Eisenhorn books perhaps because it feels the most relatable.
While I agree you shouldn't read the Horus Heresy. I think you should have to want to read that rather than be told to - it might be fun to get Mira to read the first book and, when it's released, the last one (both parts) and then try to suppose what happened in between.
Ravenor and Eisenhorn's meeting in Perihelion is so sad. Ravenor was given two options by the Inquisition; hunt down Eisenhorn or take a desk job (and not use his psychic abilities). For Gregor, he chose being trapped in his chair 🥲
It’s from “magister”, mah-ghee-stair, for a master. It’s where we get the English “mage,” “magi” (wise men), and the Italian “Maistro.”
Here in brazil is quite hard to get this book so thanks! i'm an average enjoyer of the mira action summary btw
WHEN IS THE NEXT BEQUIN BOOK OUT DAMMIT?????? IT IS TAKING FOREVER!!!!!
I'll comment before watching, and maybe add something once I'm done.
I think I actually liked the short stories more then the novel, maybe because I just really like short stories in general. They give nice, varied glimpses into the vast universe of 40k.
The actual novel felt... odd. I guess it's because most of it is from the point of view of Magos Drusher, a very unusual and likable protagonist for a Warhammer story.
It was sort of nice to see everything the short stories established come together, but at the same time, there wasn't much actual plot. Eisenhorn investigates a spooky castle, fights some cultists in a weird place, and foils yet another nefarious plot. There was much more focus on Eisenhorn's psyche and how his work did and did not change him, but after all he's been through, it just feels weird to pick this as some sort of great turning point with personal revelations and such.
Sorry if I'm a bit incoherent, it's getting late.
I loved The Magos, the way the short stories fit together with the main plot was very well done! I honestly have no memory of the story mentioned at 56:47 about Eisenhorn in a relationship on some sort of space journey. Was this a limited run novella or something?
It's Malleus, and the character is Crezia Berschilde
@@ArbitorIan Thanks, I had completely forgotten about that character!
Sycophancy time. You guys have got me into these books and back into playing. Really like the style of your videos.keep up the good work 😀
The Horus Rising interview rocked my socks. Learned a lot.
There were 12 short stories and The Magos in this book. I think 9 of the stories in the book were released before The Magos. I think they were in Inferno and/or released standalone, but also published 3 each in the Eisenhorn and Ravenor omnibus books, and 3 as a collection called Thorn and Talon. The other 3 of 12 I don't know. I might be wrong, but most were released before The Magos I believe.
This was great fun. I'd love to see you guys do a full recap of the story as a prelude to pandemonium when that comes out
SInce Mira showed some interest in some Tau stories, I would likely want her to check out Broken Sword. Its very tau beginner friendly, introducing them to a human main character, and is I think my favorite expression of the complicated question of "are they better than the Imperium for humanity?"
Voice of Experience is also very good, somewhat similar setup but is more modern and way shorter as a short story.
just finished The Magos a few days ago. I really like listening to the stories in chronological order (intertwining novels and short stories). I really liked the Titus Endor short story, which I know is not that popular because it's so weird.
Addendum: So people now enjoy The Strange Demise of Titus Endor? When did that happen? or am I just misremembering the fandom really not liking that short story?
@@captainbaconsky let’s just agree that Fandom™️ is full of itself with too much gatekeeping
The fandom? Urg, wouldn't listen to anything they say! 😂 I thought the Endor story was great!
@@ArbitorIan which is why I'm hanging out here where everyone is pleasant and kind
PLEASE review some of the Warhammer crime novels, especially if you like the noir style hard-boiled detective feel. In particularly Flesh and Steel?
Solid Jumper choice by Mira. Nothing screams Grimdark like the Moomins. As an unidentified Zenos race I feel like the Inquistors might have some questions for her!
Just wait until the Moomins team up with the denizens of Button Moon. Mr Spoon being the front man for Dark Overlord Pingu! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_Moon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu
Another stonker - well done! I love these reviews.
Missed opportunity for describing "The Pestilence" as "Heart of Grimdarkness" ;)
And the Apple TV show Mira's referring to is "Severance" and quite difficult to pitch without entirely spoiling it.
as an audiobook listener. its really hilarious to hear the different pronunciations in all the names
Mira how old are you? You make reference to things you look nowhere old to remember, mini metro, David Bellamy. Are particularly well preserved, or have your parents battered you senseless with 70s 80s culture. Loving your work by the way.
I'm old enough to know without parental indoctrination!
Mira might like to read "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett, perhaps first reading Graham McNeill's "A Thousand Sons".
I appreciate your work so much!
If I may, I would suggest 'Inquisitor'.
BR Florian
Please do "Lords of Silence" or "Brutal Kunnin"! Was his end vision quest as you described it the part where he's in some building in a desert in the City of Dust? I get memories of some desert with a black sun vibe in an ancient temple hunting Cognitae.
I would watch an entire video of Mira doing her action movie summaries of Warhammer books back to back. 😂
I'd watch "Around the Grimdark in 80 Days"
Thanks for the Moomin sweater! I’m super-jealous!!!
I think you should read Riders of the Dead - it's one of Abnett's very best, self contained, really strong themes, and for a change it's fantasy 😁
I have to say it is quite a unique novel and a great read overall!
Mire and Ian have a very natural chemistry and can even finish each others sentences.❤😂🎉
Next book series should be the opening arc of the heresy I think! To give Mira the Keeler backstory ;) but I think she’d also like Gaunt’s Ghosts, such great characters! Could possibly start with Necropolis…
Maybe including the Valdor novella?😮it’s really good! And the earliest imperial novel chronologically I think!
Excellent trailer!
love these reviews
Loved this! Keep the books coming 🫡
She said Bros! Im now imagining the Goss twins et al as triumvirate of a Chaos cult....
Loved this review 😁 definitely a vote for Brutal Cunning it's so funny 😁
I started with the bath robe review, that earn my subscription. I have enjoyed your channel very much ever since.
For a book that is a great place to start in the 40K universe, “Brothers of the Snake”, Dan Abnett (again) was/is my favorite book introducing Space Marines. I highly recommend it.
I was going to recommend that one, especially since it's such a fun take on Ultramarine successors. but I think they want to take a break from Abnett? Maybe Spears of the Emperor by ADB? that's a killer with a cool POV character.
@@captainbaconsky They actually did Spears of the Emperor already! And I do agree that the story has a really cool POV character.
@@EorldeJonge gosh! I totally missed it!
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Mira’s hair looks fantastic!
Yes!
A lot of these are in Lord of the Dark Millennium collection.
If you continue to read Dan Abnetts work you will become quite familiar with ghosts. He's got pretty good at writing them now I think it's fair to say.
The little meeting with Eisenhorn and Ravenor at the tower sequence I noticed you mention basically;
"this could have been an email" kind of view.
Thing is I disagree. For a super secret meeting with someone who is persona non grata finding a planet in the middle of nowhere with no native imperial presence seems like exactly the sort of meeting spot you should have for really dangerous information.
And I don't know if you noticed but a lot of information can be hacked from those imperial consoles people use, psyker messages can be intercepted or lost.
Eisenhorn basically consorting with daemons from the warp and being involved in some very serious events that rocked the entire system kind of means any attempt to talk to him is like opening admitting you're trying to send a love letter to a terrorist. Bit sus don't you think?
Remember by this point the tragedy that befell Ravenors elite holdings on his home planet of operations was totally blown open by a spy or something right? And his holdings across multiple planets systematically destroyed and basically pushed him into the shadows.
Both of these guys have been seriously burned by doing things in the open in the past so I think it's entirely reasonable for them to both decide to be very very careful about how they meet up.
I do find it kind of funny how Mira keeps looking for love stories though. Like watching a horror film for a cooking recipe, it's not going to be the one you want lol.
I started Xenos through other channels, but by now one of the most compelling reasons to keep going with the series is following your book club, guys. You're a lot of fun :)
I find the books entertaining and they have compelling stories. Nevertheless, the characters aren't that so. Most of them, to my taste, are generic action heroes and little else, excluding some moments. Carl Thonius's addiction and latter possession, for example, although interesting, could had much more impact if we had had the opportunity to connect with him properly before. Valentine Drusher, on the other hand, it's the first that I've felt like a real person who reacts properly to all the shit he goes through. He's quite intelligent, but he hasn't like infinite knowledge of things; given his background, he's not a coward. As Nayl points, you need something to throw yourself into a fight without knowing how yo defend yourself; he has all the quirks, virtues and flaws that make a proper character, so this is the book I've enjoyed most by far and has enough foreshadowing to hype me into reading Pariah. Thank you guys for this ^^
PD: taxonomy and and field biology are proper sciences, so yes, Drusher is a scientist, not just a dude that makes watercolours of the animals he sees :P
PDD: also, this is the Abnett's book that have made me laugh more by far. As Mira says, Drusher and Rincewind are very alike.
Book suggestion you say? Mira likes mysteries? Then it is time to dip into the warhammer crime books!
Go for Bloodlines by the amazing Chris Wraight, the black libraries best author (sorry DA and ADB fans!!!)
Funny how Drusher could make top Inquisitor material compared to Eisenhorn and Ravenor, both of them are cackling charicatures at this point. Probably a testimony of Dan's evolution as a writer too.
The first story description made me think of Michael Portillo
Re: “mangos”: my Ancient Greek didn’t”5 even make it to GCSE, but I’m pretty sure γ is a hard “g”. Magi would be Latin, and the soft “g” may have come in with medieval church Latin. How we say “Gemini” may be wrong, or I may be wrong.
What is that painting in the background? Is it a Blanche original?
It's a blanche print
sorry if this is a stupid question, I just picked up the Eisenhorn Omnibus which says it contains The Magos over the last 200 pages of its 940 pages but that 'The Magos' looks alot bigger than that?
Does it contain lots of short stories too, cos that's the rest of The Magos!!
they indeed cut out most of the short stories from that. they only kept Regia Occulta, Missing in Action, Backcloth, and the Keeler Image. None of which are actually all that relevant (maybe except reggia)
Sounds like it just has the Magos novella, which is the final part of the Magos anthology :P
more like they took the OG Eisenhorn omnibus and Ctrl-V'd Magos at the end of that.
She needs her own youtube channel! And 40k magazine slot for her own articles.
Perhelion's the 1st mention of the King In Yellow
Book Suggestion Gotrek and Felix
AMAZING MOOMIN SWEATER!
In an English accent, the J is okay, in American say G all day.
Thorn wishes talon was set before Ravenor goes to Eustice Majoris for the first time. you should listen to the original audio drama "it's on audible" and it's far better than Tobys effort.
Garrath Armstrong plays Eisenhorn and Jonathan Keeble Voices Ravenor.
I forget who does Nayel but he is portrayed with a London accent.
Anyway, that version makes more sense and is extremely funny at times.
Well worth the price.
Ok this is next on my to get audio book.
I wish I could give this vid more than one mere like!🥰
For newer authors I really enjoyed Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waagh by Nate Crowley.
Let Makari introduce Mira to a proper important character instead of another oomie weakling!
When is Mira’s Moomin book review?
Moomin😯
vaults of terra
And Talons, too. the two book series have remarkable amounts of cross-reference.
Yeah Severance is a great show ...
oOOOOoOOO please talk about the king in yellow
Warhammer has a Latin fetish so if in doubt just put the word in Google and let it read out by German voice.
Where is the next Ian and Mira book club??????
Soon
The Horus Heresy series is really too big of an undertaking. Personally I stopped after the first dozen-or-so books. Maybe do the first 4, they're pretty much essential reading but then you can pick and choose the interesting one-offs. I liked Legion, Mechanicum and Nemesis but I really didn't get much further with them. Or for something more lighthearted, Kal Jerico: Sinners Bounty is a lot of fun.
Damnit, Dan, give Mira her Eisenhorn romance novella!
Do Vincula Insurgency, It's so fucking uncanny (not bad mind you) that i would like to see another human react to it because it cooked my fucking brain.
Such an amazing book! She does have it now…. 😇
Definitely Magos not Magos 😉
You two are cute