Derek definitely beats him in the back but Warren is superior in conditioning and pretty much everywhere else. His muscles look like granite, has more separation and the muscle maturity is night and day.
@bigd7696 Warren's earlier physiques were some of the most aesthetic ever , his injuries ruined his physique . In 2009 he was okay tho and destroys synthol biceps no detail Derek .
100% agreed. Although it would’ve come down to the freak factor branch has compared to Derek who we all agree was softer. A lot of people thought Hadi should win because of his condition. Branch wins some poses argumentatively, but too close to call.
@@JohnnyDropSet Nah he wins easily , Derek has no detail from the front and looks 8 weeks out compared to Branch , zero detail synthol biceps . Branch muscles look like grainy stone slabs , not puffed watery muscle , his legs and chest absolutely demolish Derek's . The only 2 poses Derek wins is the BD and RLS and the RLS is debatable .
Derek has a tad more size and his V-Taper is a better.. However, Branch had better separation, dense muscle, and more conditioned.. Branch to me, has more of a "wow" factor. It's kind of like a Lee Priest or Ronnie Coleman situation.. To me, Branch looks more impressive and would probably get the win. He's like hadi but way more 3-D muscle..
Yet he's peeled from the back. Genetics at play here giving the softer look but poor quality pictures also play a role as well. There was several shots of Hadi looking just as soft and then shots of them both looking peeled from the front. Problem with tan, lighting and backdrops along with less than ideal quality photo/video. Have to actually be there to make a proper assessment.
@@Tcb0835 Yup. His lats are entirely hidden in shadow. Wouldn't fix his pec/shoulder softness, but he would look much much better if you could see his lats at all.
Are you kidding me ! Branch almost destroys in all poses. Even the rear double bi Derek tilts his shoulders way back and looks twice as wide up top and accentuating a narrow waist, Branch stays straight. Body part for body part Branch gets all of them. Conditioning, muscle mass, size, details and vascularity........Branch gets them all. No contest here.
I agree 100% Derek has come up with posing tricks that make him look better than he his. Branch makes Derek look like an amateur in my opinion, its not even close.
"Bodypart for bodypart, Branch gets all of them" ah yes, those amazing little girl's forearms that make him look like a T-Rex. An exquisite bodypart and he's taking Derek to school.
@@duhotatoday3277 8:11 says it all my guy , its true that Dereck gets destroyed . Branch doesn't have good forearms but Derek's forearms are also mid , Derek is also so smooth in the front he looks 8 weeks out , his only saving grace is the Back double biceps
MUCH more muscle, carved out of stone, vs a pretty cupcake. If this actually happened back in 2009 Branch would CRASH him. With todays judging criteria nobody knows, since they seem to change from show to show.
Branch absolutely schools Derek on hard dense muscles carved out of stone.derek has the back shots n that v taper but out n out freak n muscularity branch hands down wins
Easier for retired guys to say "id beat him" bc they never have to actually compete against the modern guys I think Branch wins here, but my point stands
@@MaelthasDivine You are the clown bro , Branch makes Derek look 8 weeks out from the front , the legs and pec diffirence is absurd , not to mention every other muscle looks like a real muscle on branch with vascularity and hardness , Derek's arms look full of oil , no separation and nothing . I also suspect he injects his lower lats with something , something seems off to have such big lower lats on such a small frame , Phill Heath's coach def put something in there , the back double biceps is the only pose he wins
@@xaviervega468 Its a 50-50 toss up between the RLS , Branch wins in the legs and while he does lack back detail , Derek doesn't look that impressive in the pose either , i think Branch just doesn't hit the pose right , he wants to show his high traps more . Even if we gave Derek the RLS and BDB , Branch wins everything else , here is a better picture of Branch RLS , not from the same show tho pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C2274_TBCVLZLJRB.jpg
Branch has more muscle everywhere including the back Derek just poses differently. If he leaned way back like the new bodybuilders do his back would look totally different
@@Joshthetruthseeker you think the back disparity is down to posing alone? I’m guessing you weren’t watching bodybuilding in 2009? Branch was constantly criticised for his back 😂😂
I think the thing that frustrates Branch is that everyone back then said he just wasn’t tall enough. Now between Derek, Hadi, and Nick, even Martin, most of the serious contenders are sub 5’5”
I like Branch here, Dereks really good but his chest flattening out in the FLS and his overall poor conditioning from the front and also the lack of upper body conditioning from the side just hurts him so much against a guy who's rock hard from every angle. I think Branch's torn lat hurts him less in this comparision than above mentioned does Derek so he's just better overall. Yes those massively wide lats are impressive from the back but it's not close to enough imo. Nice video, good comparision pick.
I give it to Branch. Branch exposes him from the front with the dryness and detail compared to Derek. From the back Derek's usual advantage in the hamstrings and glutes aren't there. If anything Branch still has him by a hair from the back.
nah derek clears. branch has the lower body but overall dereks physique flows better. when you look at each individual part branch looks god, but it just doesnt flow well together. huge props to both
Well to be fair dave asked Warren the question. It wasn't like right after the Olympia branch was unsolicitedly going around saying he would've beat Derek had he competed today
First thing I thought when Hadi won was “I bet Branchbis pissed”. Had reminds me of a smaller Branch. Both have a wide waist that makes them look like a brick. In 2023 and probably forward structure is going to count for a lot. If it’s close the guy with better structure will win. That’s why Derek won. Hadi had the front, Derek had the back and the structure.
i had it tied 4/4. branches conditioning crushes dereks and his legs are way better. but dereks back, while it is overrated, is a helluva lot better than branches.
Yep same here, branch is brutal near Derek, but his torn lat and having degeneration in the other lat like Jay Cutler had brings his shape down to earth he wouldn't win BCS or injuries but I prefer his shape
Derek structurally is better. But branch has wayyyyyy better quality of muscle. You can tell he put in more work than Derek. Derek rely more on the special sups you can tell
The lighting difference and black background alone is an insane advantage. And yet, Derek destroys him. I definitely see regular gym dudes getting fooled by bad image quality and lighting, but someone who runs a whole YT channel on BB shouldnt, thats just embarassing. Their condition is absolutely close if you used better quality pics , size wise their legs are the same but Dereks upperbody is much better. Structure is where Derek kills Branch. Reading comments while typing this just proves my point, the average viewer is just braindead. On the same stage, same light, same pictures, Derek is winning 10 out of 10 times and it wouldnt be close
Derek is only just getting started wait till the muscle maturity comes in plus he’s already unbeatable from the rear only prime Coleman can hold a candle next to him lol and mr gifted? What about Jay cutler and Dorian yates literally half of their Olympia wins were controversial💀
@@Chocolatesauce._ Derek is like the only person in the history of sport who never won an open pro show before competing at the Olympia, always placed top 3, always controversial. Jay, Dorian, Ronnie, they all had their controversial wins, but they brought far more dominant packages than Derek and actually qualified for their first Olympia.
Derek is not mature enough to be Mr O cos he needs 3 years to split the Delts and get grainy like Bertil in the upperpec They are all soft cos if they weren’t there would be heart attacks galore(.
Derek definitely beats him in the back but Warren is superior in conditioning and pretty much everywhere else. His muscles look like granite, has more separation and the muscle maturity is night and day.
But here's the thing. There's only 2 back poses. If Derek won only 2 poses out of 6, then he didn't win 🤣
@@animargaming2979 That's what I said. Derek beated him in the back shots and that's it.
@@Rizzistor347Mars I speak two languages, I'd love to see you learning a new one.
@bigd7696 Warren's earlier physiques were some of the most aesthetic ever , his injuries ruined his physique . In 2009 he was okay tho and destroys synthol biceps no detail Derek .
Branch Warren and his calm, relaxing training sessions.
Ha Ha..Nice one.
Branch is taking Derek to school. Only losing in the back double bi. to me.. But still more conditioned.
Your a clown if you say branch is better than derek
@@MaelthasDivine lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...oh..and its "you''re", You clown LOL!
You need glasses if you think Branch is taking the RLS.
Branch doesnt win the front double or rear lat spread either but still wins because of the great condition
Branch for sure would be battling for the top 3 no doubt about it. Hard to say he'd straight up win though. He'd be getting clowned in the back poses.
best lower half oat tho from the back
100% agreed. Although it would’ve come down to the freak factor branch has compared to Derek who we all agree was softer. A lot of people thought Hadi should win because of his condition. Branch wins some poses argumentatively, but too close to call.
@@JohnnyDropSet Nah he wins easily , Derek has no detail from the front and looks 8 weeks out compared to Branch , zero detail synthol biceps . Branch muscles look like grainy stone slabs , not puffed watery muscle , his legs and chest absolutely demolish Derek's . The only 2 poses Derek wins is the BD and RLS and the RLS is debatable .
Derek has a tad more size and his V-Taper is a better..
However, Branch had better separation, dense muscle, and more conditioned.. Branch to me, has more of a "wow" factor. It's kind of like a Lee Priest or Ronnie Coleman situation.. To me, Branch looks more impressive and would probably get the win. He's like hadi but way more 3-D muscle..
Branch would dwarf him on stage
@joshtheflatearthjedi222 probably not. But branch is more dense and 3-D
they are all about the same size@@Joshthetruthseeker
Man the lighting at Branch's Olympia was SO MUCH better than at Dereks, they need to replicate that old lighting
Everyon beats Derek in the front😂
😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈👍👍👍
Branch is right. He takes this comparison.
Clown
Lunsford is too soft on front poses. Way overrated imo.
I kind of agree. This video really exposed his softness to me. He looks watery in comparison!
Too much conditioning is not rewarded and also consider the essence of bodybuilding which is the most important The SHAPE & SYMMETRY
Yet he's peeled from the back. Genetics at play here giving the softer look but poor quality pictures also play a role as well. There was several shots of Hadi looking just as soft and then shots of them both looking peeled from the front. Problem with tan, lighting and backdrops along with less than ideal quality photo/video. Have to actually be there to make a proper assessment.
You'd be crying when one of these guys dies from extreme protocols those
@@CarmenCao11agreed. Branch going overkill on conditioning here like a Iain Valliere. They look terrible
branch's abs and thighs was incredibly good and aesthetic wtf
One of life's mysteries. How Branch has a very aesthetic Ab and thigh pose while having no aesthetics whatsoever in any other pose.
Never liked Broken Branch but I like him more than Derek.
Clown
Branch definitely won on this comparison. 😊
You are a clown
2009 mr O lightning was just something else
It’s sad how bad the lighting has gotten.
Branch got it
Clown
Lunsford would look great in the front lat if you gave him that same upward angle lighting
Derek has no conditioning to hang with Broken Branch
Nah
@@Tcb0835 Yup. His lats are entirely hidden in shadow. Wouldn't fix his pec/shoulder softness, but he would look much much better if you could see his lats at all.
Are you kidding me ! Branch almost destroys in all poses. Even the rear double bi Derek tilts his shoulders way back and looks twice as wide up top and accentuating a narrow waist, Branch stays straight. Body part for body part Branch gets all of them. Conditioning, muscle mass, size, details and vascularity........Branch gets them all. No contest here.
I agree 100% Derek has come up with posing tricks that make him look better than he his. Branch makes Derek look like an amateur in my opinion, its not even close.
You are a clown
"Bodypart for bodypart, Branch gets all of them" ah yes, those amazing little girl's forearms that make him look like a T-Rex. An exquisite bodypart and he's taking Derek to school.
You're blind if you think Branch wins either of the back shots.
@@duhotatoday3277 8:11 says it all my guy , its true that Dereck gets destroyed . Branch doesn't have good forearms but Derek's forearms are also mid , Derek is also so smooth in the front he looks 8 weeks out , his only saving grace is the Back double biceps
Derek Lundsford is a Mr. Olympia's cartoon, every oldschool bodybuilder, beat him.
What happened with branch's right lat?
Tear
@@ExtremeMetalLIVE Yeah, I was thinking that. Damn that was so bad.
IMO, Branch kills Derek in the ab/thigh.
I have no idea how Marx gave it to Lunsford. Branch destroys Lunsford in every pose bar the back double bi.
@@MIK23458 Branch gets wrecked in the rear lat spread.
that stage lighting looks ridiculous
MUCH more muscle, carved out of stone, vs a pretty cupcake. If this actually happened back in 2009 Branch would CRASH him. With todays judging criteria nobody knows, since they seem to change from show to show.
I doubt Derek would make top ten in a 90s line-up.
I'm not hating on him , but he's smooth, no wonder Hadi stormed off !
Branch absolutely schools Derek on hard dense muscles carved out of stone.derek has the back shots n that v taper but out n out freak n muscularity branch hands down wins
You are a clown
Sure, with all the gear. Bubble gut included though.
@stephenr80 still better tho
@@stephenr80 dereks waist will grow give it time hadis is getting wider year on year
Just coz Derek is wide, it doesnt mean he wins any shots particularly.
Hadi is the real Mr. Olympia. 🙏
Both back poses are crap for Branch. But in any other pose is dad with child. He dwarfs Derek.
Respect the mass that Branch always brought ,
but damn he looks like a roided up Crazy Frog .
Not aesthetic at all .
You simply cant ignore the lumps under Dereks armpits in the lats. Looks terrible..
Request: Do Derek Lunsford vs Chris Dickerson for the title of Worst Mr O
Branch the same guy who still says that he should have won against 09 Cutler
Branch ❤
branch for the🏅
Lighting difference is crazy
I think that Rama-Lama ding dong! Would’ve beaten these two dudes hands down.
No way Dereck can beat Branch. He won only one pose and it's debatable.
Easier for retired guys to say "id beat him" bc they never have to actually compete against the modern guys
I think Branch wins here, but my point stands
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Branch is battle hard..Derek is school boy soft. Derek would lose size to match branch's conditioning. Branch was right
the lighting in 2023 mr olympia is just terrible, and we all know that good lighting makes you look 10x better
yea, derek is big….with barely any seperation up top
It's the same story in every match up, Derek wins the back and loses everything else. Weakest Mr O in years, sorry.
Branch smokes Derek and those Oil injected lats!
As a matter of fact, Dexter (who placed 3rd) would have smoked Derek, too. Do THAT comparison!
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@@MaelthasDivine You are the clown bro , Branch makes Derek look 8 weeks out from the front , the legs and pec diffirence is absurd , not to mention every other muscle looks like a real muscle on branch with vascularity and hardness , Derek's arms look full of oil , no separation and nothing . I also suspect he injects his lower lats with something , something seems off to have such big lower lats on such a small frame , Phill Heath's coach def put something in there , the back double biceps is the only pose he wins
@@uoiuo Derek wins RLS easily.. Branch has no width or detalis in his back.
@@xaviervega468 Its a 50-50 toss up between the RLS , Branch wins in the legs and while he does lack back detail , Derek doesn't look that impressive in the pose either , i think Branch just doesn't hit the pose right , he wants to show his high traps more . Even if we gave Derek the RLS and BDB , Branch wins everything else , here is a better picture of Branch RLS , not from the same show tho pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C2274_TBCVLZLJRB.jpg
The difference in the back development and waist size is laughable 😂😂
Haha ikr, so is the difference in the conditioning and leg size! 😂😂
Branch has more muscle everywhere including the back Derek just poses differently. If he leaned way back like the new bodybuilders do his back would look totally different
If Lunsford leant any further back he’d fall over. 😂
@@Joshthetruthseeker you think the back disparity is down to posing alone? I’m guessing you weren’t watching bodybuilding in 2009? Branch was constantly criticised for his back 😂😂
@@okankorad57 Ohhh sorry, big legs means you win Mr Olympia now?!! Ahh I didn’t now that buddy, thanks for that news.
If Branch is arguably winning against Derrick here then '09 Jay Cutler would be destroying him
Darek is child😂
Branch is insanely hard, vascular, big, conditioned
Great vid
This is awesome, great on bro.i have derek it a enough one.
Things of that nature this video is awsome
Omg every time a look at him Derek looks worse 😢
Branch
I think the thing that frustrates Branch is that everyone back then said he just wasn’t tall enough. Now between Derek, Hadi, and Nick, even Martin, most of the serious contenders are sub 5’5”
Branch is underrated
Branch wins.
Lol, Derek's arms are as soft as pillows. What are you talking about?
Branch won!
Com’on man Derrick does not win the abs and thigh
Dereks crab is the worst of all olympia winners…
Branch hands down
Best lower body in history
Branch Warren
Derek is much taller than Branch
Derek is maybe 5’3”
@@bigmbable yeah as I said he is taller then Branch
Ab pose branch is beating easily 🤷
Why did you gave pose to derek if he dont have the abs muscles
Branch definitely wins from the front. 2:36
Yep , the legs and pec diffirence and the overall vascularity destroys Derek
Mr. Olympia 2009. Reference lighting.
BRANCH what a name
Overall Warren wins but Lundsford's back is untouchable. Warren was just too hard, thick, and ripped.
Branch is better. Derek is overrated. It looks very weird that he is so soft from the front and peeled from the back.
Derek has no separation and he is soft. The new era means you need to be soft now 😂 to be Mr Olympia.
Branch All Day
derek is so overated, hadi was and is better than him. Branch also better here, crushing him
Why do people value lats more than traps? Branch's traps look damn near alien exoskeleton like.
I like Branch here, Dereks really good but his chest flattening out in the FLS and his overall poor conditioning from the front and also the lack of upper body conditioning from the side just hurts him so much against a guy who's rock hard from every angle. I think Branch's torn lat hurts him less in this comparision than above mentioned does Derek so he's just better overall. Yes those massively wide lats are impressive from the back but it's not close to enough imo. Nice video, good comparision pick.
Derek only wins in abs and back, branch wins everything else
“Things of that nature”
Things of that nature
@@unknwn_usr3077 On his new video he is now saying “stuff like that”
no, things of that nature@@Certaintyexists888
2009 Runner Up should have been Dexter Jackson…
I give it to Branch. Branch exposes him from the front with the dryness and detail compared to Derek. From the back Derek's usual advantage in the hamstrings and glutes aren't there. If anything Branch still has him by a hair from the back.
I agree Derek's front poses are way to soft and lack of muscle separation and that's coming from a guy that likes derek
nah derek clears. branch has the lower body but overall dereks physique flows better. when you look at each individual part branch looks god, but it just doesnt flow well together. huge props to both
Well to be fair dave asked Warren the question. It wasn't like right after the Olympia branch was unsolicitedly going around saying he would've beat Derek had he competed today
I think Derek Warren won easily!
First thing I thought when Hadi won was “I bet Branchbis pissed”. Had reminds me of a smaller Branch. Both have a wide waist that makes them look like a brick. In 2023 and probably forward structure is going to count for a lot. If it’s close the guy with better structure will win. That’s why Derek won. Hadi had the front, Derek had the back and the structure.
Branch would have been Mr. O!
HAD Derek beat!💪😎
Branch wins every pose except RDB.
Derek wins in bdb rls and abs/thigh . In 2009 Derek would have finished behind just in front or probably behind of Phil heath
i had it tied 4/4. branches conditioning crushes dereks and his legs are way better. but dereks back, while it is overrated, is a helluva lot better than branches.
Yep same here, branch is brutal near Derek, but his torn lat and having degeneration in the other lat like Jay Cutler had brings his shape down to earth he wouldn't win BCS or injuries but I prefer his shape
Things of that nature.
Derek structurally is better.
But branch has wayyyyyy better quality of muscle. You can tell he put in more work than Derek.
Derek rely more on the special sups you can tell
Derek has better proportions and better physic but just looks soft compared to Branch and that can not be overlooked in my book
Branch gana en todas las poses menos el doble bíceps de espalda. Sus cuádriceps hacen que los veas en cada pose.
Branch was such a freak he would obliteration station this Lunsford
The lighting difference and black background alone is an insane advantage. And yet, Derek destroys him. I definitely see regular gym dudes getting fooled by bad image quality and lighting, but someone who runs a whole YT channel on BB shouldnt, thats just embarassing. Their condition is absolutely close if you used better quality pics , size wise their legs are the same but Dereks upperbody is much better. Structure is where Derek kills Branch. Reading comments while typing this just proves my point, the average viewer is just braindead. On the same stage, same light, same pictures, Derek is winning 10 out of 10 times and it wouldnt be close
Derek is just more complete... make sense he's going to win.
My soul Branch makes him look like a small child
Jay Cutler wins this one. He was so beeg.
Gremlin looks way better
Branch wasn't as good as he thought he was. He had grainy conditioning but he had one of the ugliest physiques of all time.
Warren very easily……Derek is very beatable mr gifted.
Derek is only just getting started wait till the muscle maturity comes in plus he’s already unbeatable from the rear only prime Coleman can hold a candle next to him lol and mr gifted? What about Jay cutler and Dorian yates literally half of their Olympia wins were controversial💀
@@Chocolatesauce._ Derek is like the only person in the history of sport who never won an open pro show before competing at the Olympia, always placed top 3, always controversial. Jay, Dorian, Ronnie, they all had their controversial wins, but they brought far more dominant packages than Derek and actually qualified for their first Olympia.
Warren killed Lunsford in my opinion. Lunsford beat him in a couple (bearly), but Branch crushed him in most. Come on!!!!!
Derek is not mature enough to be Mr O cos he needs 3 years to split the Delts and get grainy like Bertil in the upperpec
They are all soft cos if they weren’t there would be heart attacks galore(.
The lighting is way different. Derek wins easily...
Branch destroys Derek for good.