Not really, jones does actually research and read up facts, jones will surprise Destiny on his leftist biases, johns is not a conspiracy theorists he just reads the news and theories out whats next with somthing to go off of to justify his theory, Leftist loves to project themselves on the right and assume the worst from the right, mean while doing exactly the things they claim to fear from the right
Rob seems like the type of guy to be the crazy uncle at your family's holiday get together but then is also the same uncle you can count on to answer the phone at 3am when your car dies while you're doing something you shouldn't be doing and he doesn't tell your parents as long as you get your life together.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🏛️ *January 6th is seen as an attempted insurrection by Donald Trump, with efforts to hold onto power through various means.* 01:51 📜 *Conservatives point to the disregard for rules, norms, and the Constitution by Donald Trump, viewing him as a threat to the Republic.* 09:08 🌐 *Discussion branches into the concept of the American global role, contrasting national interest versus global influence and its impact on policies.* 16:07 🤨 *Analyzing Trump's actions through a lens of flexible authoritarianism and political corporatism to label them as a form of fascism.* 19:16 🗳️ *Key distinction: Trump's unique action of pursuing the Eastman legal theory to manipulate electors stands out compared to past challenges, elevating concerns about a coup attempt.* 21:51 🔍 *Eastman's theory aimed to have Pence unilaterally toss electors of seven states, potentially leading to a House vote where Trump would win.* 22:47 🏛️ *Eastman's theory involved pushing the election decision to state houses, giving Trump an advantage based on Republican House delegates.* 23:54 📜 *Eastman's plan focused on claiming dual slates of electors in seven states, enabling the House to declare Trump the winner.* 24:35 🛡️ *The legality of the action, not just the definition, matters in labeling it as a coup or insurrection.* 25:59 💡 *Legal steps, even if constitutionally dubious, may still constitute a coup if taken by a president to entrench their power.* 34:10 🚫 *Pence's unilateral action to toss electors based on alternate slates aimed to circumvent the Electoral Count Act, potentially altering the election outcome.* 36:18 📜 *Eastman's plan wasn't about following through with legal processes but manipulating the system to benefit Trump.* 40:18 📜 *There's debate on whether actions intended to change election results could be considered a coup, depending on the legalities and outcomes.* 44:15 🧠 *Despite legal debates, most agree that allowing the Vice President to unilaterally alter election results goes against the spirit of democracy.* 45:23 🇺🇸 *There are historical examples of disputed electoral votes, but they differ significantly from the proposed actions, involving official state recognition and electoral certifications.* 52:09 🗂️ *Historical cases of alternate electoral votes were rooted in genuine disputes recognized by state institutions, unlike the proposed scenario of unilaterally rejecting certified votes.* 58:20 🔍 *Understanding procedural issues in past elections helps contextualize current disputes.* 59:44 🏛️ *Similarities exist between past Democratic goals in 1876 and claims made by Trump's team in 2020 regarding election fraud.* 01:00:13 🤔 *Questions arise about laws determining voting rights and the legitimacy of alternate elector slates.* 01:01:09 ⚖️ *Historical instances of alternate electors and challenges prompt a discussion about legal responses and perceived double standards.* 01:02:04 🌍 *The focus shifts from subjective viewpoints to the legal system's response to these actions.* 01:05:53 🏛️ *Distinct cases between past and present electoral controversies underscore nuanced differences in legal interpretation and circumstances.* 01:07:42 🤔 *Despite similarities in alternate electors, differences in intentions and circumstances shape how these actions are perceived legally.* 01:17:32 🗳️ *Trump's belief in election rigging stemmed from legal changes in voting laws in Pennsylvania, leading to court challenges regarding mail-in voting and signature verification.* 01:20:45 📜 *Pennsylvania's mail-in voting law was ruled unconstitutional in 2022, raising questions about the legality of voting changes, but the Supreme Court later overturned this decision.* 01:21:26 🏛️ *Trump had reasons to believe the election was rigged, citing legal challenges in Pennsylvania and potential impacts on the election outcome.* 01:27:47 🌐 *Trump's claims of election fraud focused on swing states and alleged anomalies, fueling his belief in a rigged election despite multiple claims being invalidated.* 01:36:26 🗳️ *There was anticipation about late-counted ballots favoring Democrats, widely acknowledged before the election, including by Trump's team.* 01:37:22 🤔 *Arguing that an election is secure when significant changes to voting methods occur might become a recurring trend, not just a one-time occurrence.* 01:41:09 📥 *Chain of custody issues regarding ballots in Georgia were raised, although subsequent reviews and investigations altered the narrative around these concerns.* 01:46:16 🧐 *The legitimacy of challenges to election results was doubted due to their lack of substantive change despite numerous inquiries and recounts.* 01:55:34 🕵️♂️ *The Weiner case agent expressed concerns to the Southern District of New York, prompting further investigation after the FBI's delayed action on the laptop.* 01:56:18 🚔 *Going outside the FBI to another agency like the Southern District of New York was unconventional, suggesting a lack of response within the chain of command.* 01:57:26 🧐 *The Southern District of New York's involvement pressured Comey into publicly announcing the investigation's reopening to avoid potential accusations of cover-up.* 02:00:30 🤔 *The Inspector General highlighted the FBI's inaction until external pressure intervened, indicating a reluctance to address the Weiner laptop issue promptly.* 02:05:11 🕵️♂️ *The IG report suggests the FBI's inadequate explanations for delayed action on the laptop issue, indicating incompetence or bias, leading to further investigation.* 02:08:12 🕵️♂️ *Despite FBI leadership's belief that the laptop information was significant, delayed action persisted due to internal issues, even with ample resources available.* 02:11:44 🕵️♂️ *The report revealed a lack of evidence suggesting intentional hiding of the Weiner laptop, but it also questioned the FBI's failure to act on crucial information promptly.* 02:13:20 🔍 *The discussion dives into why certain FBI members didn't pursue investigating the Weiner laptop more stringently.* 02:14:45 🕵️♂️ *The conversation speculates about the FBI's prioritization between Russia collusion and investigating the Weiner laptop, suggesting potential biases.* 02:15:56 🤔 *The debate grapples with the possibility of FBI bias against Trump and favoring Clinton, examining the evidence and patterns of behavior.* 02:17:07 🕵️♀️ *Exploring the significance of potential biases within the FBI and the impact on investigations, considering internal reasons and responses.* 02:18:30 💡 *The conversation delves into differing interpretations of the Inspector General's report, specifically on bias and evidence clearing individuals within the FBI.* 02:19:42 📰 *Discussing the handling of the Weiner laptop investigation, considering Comey's public announcements and their impact on the political landscape.* 02:21:50 🔄 *The debate focuses on patterns of FBI behavior, suggesting a correlation between bias, actions against Trump, and favoritism towards Clinton.* 02:23:31 📊 *Examining the repercussions of FBI bias or incompetence on trust in the agency and the implications for future investigations.* 02:25:10 🧐 *A heated exchange over Comey's public announcements, diverging perspectives on their impact, and conjecture versus evidence within the IG report.* 02:30:18 🔍 *Reviewing specific reasons behind Comey's public announcement about the reopened investigation, including concerns about concealment and perceptions regarding the election.* 02:32:41 📰 *Comey's belief that Hillary Clinton would win shaped the handling of the investigation; they aimed to avoid accusations of aiding her victory.* 02:35:00 📢 *Comey's decision to announce Hillary's wrongdoings sans charges aimed to preempt post-election controversies, assuming she'd win.* 02:35:42 📚 *Comey's concern about delegitimizing Hillary's win led to his disclosure of her wrongdoings before the election.* 02:36:24 🔄 *Handling of 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For any conservatives in the comment section remember destiny's criticism: don't just say "wow destiny is so wrong here", bring up a specific fact he's wrong about.
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@@seanutube5945 Says the party who indefinitely defends a guy who tried to overthrow democracy, fucked a pornstar, openly discusses how he sexually harasses women, still wants the Central Park Five convicted, and failed to build your wall. Yeah really upholding your values there at least Biden stands for mine.
@@seanutube5945This is the root of the problem. Most people who voted for Biden did so because the alternative was Trump. Trump supporters love and worship him and since they view him like that, they assume everyone else loves their choice just as much. I don’t know if basically anyone who’s talked good about Biden other than Destiny and even then, it was “I think he’s been doing alright”, so this thought of “Biden is your god!” Is actually fucking delusional
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But the vague recording of Victoria nuland phone call is 100% proof of US meddling in the Ukrainian election, but Trump recording is nothing but a fart. I know for a fact Rob argued that about Ukraine.
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Lol, God Help Destiny. A debate with Alex Jones on Jan 6 is like trying to explain to a child that eating ice cream everyday is bad for you.
AJ, as much as I dislike him, will tone down his rhetoric and attempt to be reasonable when met with pretty solid argument. Left alone, or placed in an echo chamber, he goes off to lala land.
There is no incentive for Alex Jones to concede any points or change any of his beliefs. He needs to appeal to his audience. That's how he puts caviar on the table. Destiny knows this, so the debate is mostly for the audience, not to try to convince Alex of anything.
You're completely wrong. Alex Jones does NOT calm down with a solid argument. He shouts people down and hangs up on them regularly. If you think Alex Jones is okay, you have about 2000 hours of Knowledge Fight to listen to.@@outty77
I used to think Rob was kinda dumb because he’d often make horrible arguments that were illogical. Now I’m thinking that’s not the case. Instead he’s so wildly partisan that he becomes blinded to the logic as he forces as many facts as possible to fit into his desired narrative.
@@Estril980 yea I mean it all boils down to what does Trump actually believed. If he was delusional I still think he's unfit for president though lol.
@@Estril980 I've seen Destiny's mind change when presented differing facts many times. Rob lacks the ability to ever admit he was wrong about something. Dems bad, Repubs good. That's his entire worldview.
Nothing. Destiny already admitted that there was no actual insurrection but that there was a “fear” that they “could have” interrupted the process and that would have been bad for the country. It’s all feelings and what ifs.
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I mean, he did try to gishgallop and change subject few times and Destiny caught him almost instantly every time, so i guess that was a good training for Alex Jones that will inevitably somehow arrive at demonic mind control if you give him an inch.
@@Aeonfellthe problem is everyone underestimates Alex. Agree with him or not he’s generally knowledgeable about the topic and won’t just be blindsided by something.
@@ldcow3948bro ..the guy called Sandy Hook a hoax. He literally underestimated himself. Not a single word that comes out of that guy's mouth should ever be taken seriously
The bare minimum to debating someone is sharing the same reality. Debating Jones is stupid because you can't really have a successful debate with someone who can't even agree on the sky being blue. There's literally no way to win a debate with someone who thinks Obama is a satanic, interdimensional child molester that smells like sulfur or whatever.
Which is wild because he will demand that someone has to prove Trump didn’t want that with an example. That’s the opposite of how we demonstrate mens rea.
Basically everyone around Trump admitted he knew the election wasn't stolen. He has way more to lose by admitting that too. The logic points in one direction. Isn't Trump supposed to be a stable genius?
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Destiny took a big L vs Rob in the recent debate. Particularly the takedown at 2:29:50 where Destiny is forced to admit Rob is right re: reasons Comey made public statements on updates with Hillary investigation before election. It is actually mind boggling that someone involved in politics as much as Destiny does not recall the timeline of events and pushes the Comey announcement as a means to ignore the mountains of evidence of bias against Trump in the FBI.
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@@AgentSeventyOne ikr. he has just about the most infuriating debate styles out of any of the Orbiters or anybody in the politics debate scene, but when he's not in debate mode he comes across as a real nice, genuine dude.
His also well read when it comes to some laws most than average americans I would say, but I also think in a weird way he wants to remain with his ideology.@@sa-mp5iw
I hate this "Trump bad" meta. Its been how long? 8 years and people still going? First of all all these debates are pointless.. Trump was never charged so it doesnt matter what unhinged reasoning Right or left has. Both make me roll my eyes every time i listen to this bs. Trump also never Instructed anyone so whatever suggestive language was used doesnt matter. Thats it.. I dont live in NA btw i dont support either side i just like to listen to the rotten politics and unbearable cultural shifts that occur in NA. 3 years of people crying over and over again because of something that was never tried to begin with is just annoying at this point. If he ever gets charged and looses. Congrats on the shortest inssurection in human history where people left after 2 hours and never fought again.
Facts are facts bro. Trump spent an entire year spreading conspiracies about a stolen election without any evidence all because he''s a sore loser, and when they broke into the capitol to stop one of our countries most sacred and important processes he refused to dissuade the mob. He's just not a good person, bro; and now he's a criminal, I guess. Its time for him to face consequences. He does not think with the our countries best interest in mind and needs to be kept away from any position of power.
Ur gonna lose this debate. If it was an insurrection it’s pretty weak one with all the guns conservatives have. Also trump clearly said “walk up to the capitol and let your voice be heard, peacefully” so when you say a guy is calling for that, when he clearly calls for a peaceful protest…
Why do you focus on one tiny aspect, but also leave out "fight like hell" "they're making a terrible terrible decisions certifying this [REDACTED] epection" among other quotes that make it absolutely clear he wants something done for him whether it's Pence unilaterally throwing the results in the trash or what he wanted power and he didn't care how he got it. Inarguably it was an attempt and if a Democrat was doing anything remotely close conservatives would have done much much worse than what they did on the sixth.
Also, he didn't "clearly call for a peaceful protest" given the type of things he was saying AND KNEW THE CROWD WAS ARMED AS HE WAS BRIEFED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
@@jethrotool4828 I'm super happy you're willing to announce to everyone that you fall for the name bait as a substitute for replying to a SINGLE thing I said that you take issue with. You are exactly the type of person that alt media, MSM, and scam artists thrive off of. Intensely incapable of critical thought to where your first action when seeing something contradictory to the narratives you buy without good reason, is to fling insults or look for some sort method to hand-wave everything said. Next time just say *"I wish I could think of a single thing to respond with, but I don't have my E-father to tell me what to think and say right now."*
Agreed, i would just hope alex bring up AT LEAST one thing that makes destiny go "no way let me look that up......oh....nvm" just one thing anything 🤣🤣
Alex Jones' schitck is to bring up random documents or stories that 99.9% of people haven't heard of. The idea is to confuse the opponent so they look unprepared. Like he will say we shouldn't trust the FBI, but to do so, "Let me show you this FBI document that proves my point" lol.
Lol nothing is "fact based" when you start with an incredibly hyperbolic claim like "insurrection happened" with no convictions or even a single person charged with insurrection, lol. Leftists are always bad faith.
@@swickens930 Those are rhetorical appeals that require fact. Logos, Pathos, and Ethos are rhetorical ways to build a narrative in order to make your argument land effectively and convince an audience. Logos is built on facts to create a cohesive narrative, however if that narrative isn't actually unequivocally supported by facts then the appeal falls apart. Especially since non-insurrection narratives have way more burden of proof right now.
destiny sure seems to ask a lot of questions and when he receives an answer he doesn't like, he tries to pivot as though the other person is making shit up... Would've enjoyed it more if he actually entertained the position and reconsidered his stance a bit more. (Or, actually refute the guest's positions...)
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Destiny - Gives a hypothetical about how Biden could stay in power using every tool at his disposal. Trump- doesn't do that thing. Destiny "Trump did any and everything possible to stay in power. Destiny your rationalization on your position isn't internally consistent.
What a pathetic strawman. The point of his hypothetical was to illustrate how something not being explicitly illegal doesn't make it permissible under the law... Of course Trump wouldn't try to pull something like that off; even an egomaniac like him would realize trying to become dictator Julius Caesar style would have literally ZERO chance of succeeding. He honestly probably did think that his best bet of remaining in power would be in convincing Pence to overturn the votes.
@@gonfreecss6002 So rather than do the other legal thing he could have done he asked someone to do something legal that ultimately did not stop the peaceful transfer power. Lol it’s almost as if Trump understood that doing something more egregious would have been a proverbial crossing the Rubicon. lol what a grasp.
@@512TexasRedNoooo, orange man bad! Can't make him seem smart! He's not a successful real estate magnate that's authored numerous books and brokered peace deals (yes, plural) in the Middle East 😢
Destiny doesn't realise that a claim doesn't have to be later validated for someone to initially believe it's true 🤣 that's a non sequitur. Sure the claims that convinced trumps were later proved untrue; but that doesn't mean he didn't initially think they had legs.
No, they were actively proven to him over and over again to be valid results. He was informed on every recount, his cabinet and assistants informed him of this over and over again and his face said it all according to them, and then days or weeks after being grossly over-informed on the validity of this election he would vigorously LIE to the American people about the misinformation floating around on social media whether it was things in Georgia, Arizona, or wherever else. He would be intensely up-to-date informed, and would go on to lie to his base and say they being corrupt and stealing power when he is the one actively trying to do that. He was literally spamming in his social media and in speeches that there will be interference in the process, he had absolutely no clue, he was as bold-faced a liar as they come.
It requires initial reasonable suspicion, and no such initial reasonable suspicion ever existed outside of planned election doubt, purely paranoia-based fears of “they’re against us so they must have rigged something” and the more common “let’s make up some fun pet theories and see what the public likes to hear the most so we can start repeating those more”
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Destiny only talks about "the will of the voters" When they are democrats. What about the people who voted and showed up to Jan 6 because they truly felt their vote was being taken away from them. Destiny thinks it is perfectly acceptable to subvert the will of a maga voter all day long with a smile on his face. If a Maga voter feels that their will is being taken away then destiny would love that outcome, instead of talking about "they did a coup" He would be talking about how the violence is justified or "only some % of the people were violent" It is clear he is a partisan but I have much hope for the guy. With enough exposure to ideas he may allow himself to learn and grow. Much love but the intellect is lacking.
I think it’s funny that Destiny is fully willing to extrapolate the contents of Trump’s thoughts and beliefs based on nothing more than his understanding of reports of what the people around Trump are saying, but he requires stone tablets declaring the bias of the FBI before he’ll credit any suggestion of their dishonesty.
Trump is a single egotistical man-child with easy to predict behaviors whereas the FBI is a large government organization that has many functions and has conflicting loyalties to a variety of other parties. Pretending these two things are comparable is rarted. All of Trump's actions can be easily explained by him being a power-hungry sore loser, which everybody already acknowledges him to be. He has openly proclaimed to hate losers and losing for years now, and this is something his own followers will attest to. So when he lost the election he just couldn't accept it, even when everyone around him told him the election had been fair. All of his actions have been that of a sore-loser who can't accept defeat with grace.
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Destiny's background knowledge on stolen election claims and FBI misconduct is shallow. Seems like he's hearing a lot of this info for the first time in this conversation.
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lol…. “No no no, to be fair. HE has been told by everyone in his circle”… How do you know that to be true? To be fair. How to you know, anyone, in his circle told him”x”? Because someone outside his circle, who talks negatively about him at every chance says so? Or geez.! You’re saying “everyone in the White House, everyone in his campaigns, everyone!” So wrong.
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@@josepoika5388 THE CHURCH LIED TO YOU ABOUT THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS, AND SPENDS MILLION OF DOLLARSD TO PROTECT CHILD MOLESTING PREISTS!!! JESUS WILL NOT LOOK KINDLY ON THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE CHURCH WHO MOCKS HIS WORK FOR POWER
Destiny clearly stated that political bias in the FBI is a bad thing and should be actively suppressed in the decision making process. To be clear, there will always be bias in what should and should not be prioritized (i.e. the severity or type of case - not necessarily politically based biases and nor should Red or Blue play a factor). The FBI does not have infinite resources to pursue each and every case the same. To act as though someone could just willy-nilly use the FBI against whoever is a poor interpretation of issues that were found in the IG and Durham reports. All in all, the 3-party oversight was pretty damn good by the looks of it. Bad actors were found with one of them actively being charged, and has put greater pressure on the FBI to ensure that there are rigorous processes in place to minimize biases.
And here we are ending on a completely useless topic. It’s how Robb operates… throw shit around until you sufficiently derail the original topic to one that no one can defend then acts like he won the whole debate.
Damn what a 🔥. I am not a destiny fan but his process of getting to the heart of the matter is a strength of his…. Rob on the other hand only looks to run you around meaningless bull shit until it gets boring. Once you see it a few times it gets super boring, super quickly.
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Everyone is focusing on the wrong problem. It's misdirection and it's working. You can't sit here and argue that Trump is a model individual or is an objectively good candidate. But the anger isn't from the mistreatment of Trump. The anger is from a clearly bianced regulation of the political space but no one ever talks about that. They just want to hinge all the anger as coming from stupid people who think Trump is a great guy and then they try to lock you in a argument over justifying trumps character instead of focusing on the worrying moves being made by the judiciary and legislative branches. "But Trump did this and this and this" "So? Hilary did this and this and nothing happened. So why is THIS different? It'd weird" "Hold on are you saying you SUPPORT trump?!" "No...." "So you think Trump is a great leader?" "Uhhh....no...."
@yayorandel6048 literally I have ZERO problem with Trump being put in a prison cell so long as biden and Clinton are in the cells next to him. But if it's just him. After a 5 year long crusade with multiple failures. And everyone else skates away and we get told how awesome our democracy is and to shut up about the emails already That will leave a really bad taste in my mouth.
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It’s insanely irritating how much destiny is interrupting this guy. He keeps on answering destiny’s questions, I’m trying to follow and understand and it makes it super hard because I’m not as intelligent as destiny and the dude he’s talking too. As he’s explaining destinys questions I’m starting to follow and understand the beginning of his points but then destiny interrupts with another question. Destiny… LET THE GUY EXPLAIN.
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They were not unarmed, you are LYING, and the goal was to pressure Pence into just TAKING the election since he was the guy who certifies it and Trump thought he would have Pence just take that power for Trump. Or they could harm the congressmen as they were chanting they desperately wanted to, and frankly if all those people at the Capitol were dedicated enough they could've laid down their lives and got the job done but they were all cowards. Either way Trump tried to defraud the people and usurp power that was no longer his through highly immoral and illegal means. Inarguably an attempted coup.
The Jan 6 'insurrectionists' were: - Virtually all of them were unarmed. - The largest amount of violence they engaged in were minor scuffles with police. - The largest amount of damage they caused was the 'theft' of the speakers podium (which never made it past the lobby). - The overwhelming majority of them had no interest in overturning an election and there is no conceivable way their actions could have accompished this goal even if they had wanted to. How many other insurrections are you aware of that overwhelmingly consisted of unarmed people, engaging in minor scuffles, petty theft with no actual intent of causing an insurrection nor any conceivable mechanism to do so?
1) Virtually all of them were unarmed - same with BLM rioters. So I guess those weren't violent either. 2) You clearly don't know what violence means. If BLM protesters kidnapped, blindfolded, and tied up Ivanka Trump from her bedroom and held her hostage, but didn't actual bruise or cut her, is that violence? 3) yeah they were too cowardly to do any damage. I'll give you that. 4) also agree..they were angry and too stupid to realize that what they were doing was becoming an eternal laughing stock to anyone with a functioning brain. In conclusion, I totally agree with you. It was the most cowardly attempt at an insurrection in American history. And it was carried out by Trump supporters. At least they left that accurate mark in history.
@@jethrotool4828yeh it's not like he's literally debating the issue in prep for Alex Jones. What you mean shhhh like that's not literally what they're talking about and him looking for people to question tje narrative, actual Brain worms
@1:25:01 haven't you heard of the cliche where a highly ambitious/motivated individual wants to start a risky business and practically everyone tells him it will never work, it will fail, he will go bankrupt, etc. And that person goes on to achieve what was set upon (ie: SpaceX, Amazon, AAPL, etc). Sure, there will be many more losers than winners, but there evidently is a winner. That invalidates your argument. The majority consensus does not necessarily imply the correct result. In the past, the US gov had majority consensus that slavery was just. What about women's suffrage?
Okay, then how would you characterize a protest turned riot that violently broke into the capitol building of the country to stop/delay a democratic process from taking place while chanting "Hang Mike Pence" when he refused to overturn the election. Honestly, I'd be impressed if you could characterize it as anything BUT an insurrection xD
I want to give Destiny props for giving great discussion and debate. He brings great points and perspective in a respectful way even if we would disagree. We need these debates.
Destiny was incapable of accepting anything as a legitimate position subjective that differed from his embraced narrative. He was way too often wrong on facts and ungracious when proven so. And, his constant interruptions and tone was hardly respectful.
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@gonfreecss6002 im not completely serious, as I don't genuinely believe that he is one, but it's just the dogged acceptance of whatever the mainstream narrative is on these topics in particular is. So, he's very critical of the left and what they do, but for whatever reason, seems completely incapable of considering that the government might have a political skew at a point in time.
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Rob is more slippery than a greased eel in these debates. Just like Destiny said, these people will move the conversation so far off the original point that you're 30 minutes in and wondering what the hell you're even arguing about
What do you mean, Destiny moved the goal multiple times too, and Destiny stopped Robs examples saying it doesn't matter then follows up with his own path of Doesn't matter Topic, Example- Everyone (selected people) said to trump thing dent happen, So trump shouldnt think thing happened because "people" said thing dent happen, Those people have their opinions while trump is supposed to I guess have no Opinion but to listen to his people's Opinions, Its funny because Biden is clearly is a puppet with no Opinion, and yall want Trump to be a Puppet and not be himself, Its amazing how Orange man bad news for 4-5 years made democrats liberals brain mush on only seeing trump bad, It brought hope to me when Destiny was being more even handed less biased on Israel Palestinian
I made the mistake of debating Rob Noerr on his stream for 4 hours...he spent 30minutes looking through my Twitter to say that since I didn't tweet about something...I must be lying and I don't actually believe it. He's such a disingenuous debater, it's so bad.
That has nothing to do with the fact he destroyed destinys argument..He openly admits trump was trying to use a legal theory...Which isnt an insurrection which is a violent attempt to over throw the government
@@whasian1487 It's kind of a meme. "Alternative facts" was a phrase used by U.S. Counselor to Trump--Kellyanne Conway--during a Meet the Press interview, where she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer's false statement about the attendance numbers of Donald Trump's inauguration as President of the United States. So alternative facts are basically just falsehoods.
I'll admit I don't know that much about this, but what gets to me is how the focus is so heavily upon the written text. So I work for my local railroad, right? And my employer has given its employees a half day every year (either for Christmas Eve or New Years Eve, sorted out amongst the staff typically along seniority lines). This has been long standing practice, so much so that the employer has a payment code specifically for this purpose. In 2019, my employer claimed that it was unable to give us a half day for the holiday. One of the unions brought them to arbitration, and won the right to a half day. Now, there was nothing in the union agreement for the union to point to. When arbitration concluded that we were owed the half day, they did so with this in mind. The core of the union's argument during arbitration was simple: When the contract is silent, past practice prevails. Even though it was never explicitly stated that the rail road had to give us a half day, the fact of the matter is that they had done so, every year, for decades. Anyway, that's what I don't understand. Even if the law itself is dubiously written, isn't the actual power of the vice president in this situation essentially etched in stone through decades of practice? Wouldn't that be the obvious go-to when trying to make this determination?
Since this has never come up and the Vice President has never tested this power. It’s actually the complete opposite scenario as the one you described in your Union case
@@MrShanester117I don't know, so just to be clear: a specific proviso in law had never been tried until this point, or a specific interpretation of a law had never been tried?
Rob is one of the most factual conservatives on the debate circuit and that’s the crazy part because he isn’t that factual. His whole argument basically rested on “well people were out to get him so that’s reason enough to believe the election was rigged”
I honestly wonder… why did destiny upload this? Lol his active misinterpretation of the reality he was being hit with for the last 15 mins, PROVES he is a strong, brave woman
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“Are you trying to insinuate that Trump was taking unreasonable and unconstitutional actions to try to stay in power illegitimately? Are you serious, Destiny? I mean, he didn’t nuke China!”
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The lengths some of these conservatives go to validate their points is insane. Then when the left does something similar they NEVER stop bringing it up as BLASPHEMY or a COUP.
It's because they start off with the conclusion rather than the facts. To conservatives, truth isn't "that which aligns with reality", but rather, "that which we believe SHOULD be true" or "that which we WANT to align with reality".
@ayeoneup7645 Very true. I just mentioned conservatives since that was this example. They'd rather go to the most insane takes than admit they were wrong or made a mistake.
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And trump believed in 2016 if he didn’t win it was illegitimate. Trump claimed if he didn’t win the primaries in 2016 it was illegitimate. Also in 2020 he said if he doesn’t win it must be illegitimate. Jesus.
Destiny needs to check his ego. Even when righty guy clearly proves what he has been saying is backed by evidence after destiny continuously cuts him off, never letting him finish his points, and raising his voice telling him he ain't have any evidence to back up making him look stupid(which destiny is a pro at doing to ppl) yet destiny really showing his old hardcore leftist self coming back out refusing to change his mind after shown proof. DESTINY MY DUDE GO GET LAID I understand break ups are hard especially for emotionally dudes but dang bro you ain't been the same since that scamming woman left you. After my 7 year marriage ended it sucked I cried but you got to realize why be sad about someone who obviously does genuinely care about you seeing how THEY walked away. We need the regular gloomy destiny back not this old hateful I'm right your wrong no matter what destiny that's come back with this irrational thinking. Love ya man although it seems like the end of the world right now the only thing is to be positive about your future prospects and possibilities
And of 2 or 100, why is that described as “he has zero legitimate claims” And then talk all day how he’s crazy and not a single vote was effected in any way. Lol
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Robert Gouveia is a lawyer that has been covering J6 and related topics from about when it started, from a more conservative perspective, if you want to check out his content.
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I mean did every leader throughout history who declared that their country was in a state of international or civil war and enacted emergency powers to stay in control do so because they were an altruistic leader who wanted to serve their country rather than themselves? You can put Trump in jail for treason, but I think what Rob's trying to say is that if he was a really sore loser with a mad lust for power then he would've declared a civil war with any of the states that didn't secede or chose to support him.
Yep he is being ridiculous at the most crucial points. Like hil denying it is even clear that tump was alleging there was a conspiracy going on against him ... 😂 no words.
@@Ohyouknowitit is so clear destiny has TDS, he has a hard time engaging with the arguments and starts reading some wiki nonsense he searched wile the guy was speaking which i doubt he was paying attention
@@Sehkh_ its very clear , its also clear that he doesnt listen to half what is said or when hes pressed into a corner with evidence wich he cannot deny he will pivot away from it and start another discussion , years ago when i started watching him i thought he was trying to be objective but lately he is just being a partisan and an apologist for the state and the evils they commit , it has been realy disapointing to see this vile apologetic gal hes spewing for all the evils his side does
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21:39 I think Jan 6 was an insurrection! However, I think destiny immediately lost the argument when he said that it would have still been an insurrection if there was no attack on the capitol… that’s the insurrection part, everything else can be argued to be legal proceedings and bombastic but 1st amendment speech
@@jeremiahferguson-sc5rq sure it was a riot the same way the Boston tea party or French Revolutions were “riots” … for clarity I AM saying that a insurrections/revolutions can involve riots
Big big hole for Destiny: success of plot depended on Pence, who has stated that he told Trump no before Jan 6, so lack of this lynchpin makes the coup/insurrection attempt claim difficult. Also, your assertion of the number of courts dismissing Trump's claims based solely on a substantive basis seems far fetched. Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer, will know this. Some courts may have commented on the strength of the Trump team's claims, but the reason the vast majority of these cases were tossed was due to procedure (standing), not substance. You need to be more exact on this.
@@solhigh1 Insurrection is an intent based crime. Trump will just say that he told them to peacefully protest. "Pointing" a crowd to go on a 30 minute walk in hopes that they would riot and somehow change Pence's mind seems more of a hail Mary than a plot
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As a critical thinking neutral (couldnt care less about US politics), I am genuinely baffled that anyone thinks Destiny won this coup/not coup debate...Rob clearly lays out a solid argument that legitimate electoral concern via legitimate legal process = not coup. And Destiny did not disprove or give any good counter evidence a) Against this arguments validity or b) Against its truthfulness. ???
Is it possible you stopped listening the moment that point was raised? This genuinely isn’t even meant to sound passive-aggressive. It’s easy to simply not hear a refutation to a point you perceive to be a mic drop, for lack of a better term.
What you fail to realize is that the "legitimate electoral concern" is an utter falsehood and it was not ever being done through explicitly legal means of just throwing the results away and declaring Trunp the winner. That's inarguably illegal and highly immoral, the results were proven to be accurate, Trump was intensely informed on this, he did not care. He had been saying there would be interference for over 8 months before anyone sent in a single ballot. He was preparing to weaponize his people for about a year before the sixth... There is no possible way you think that Pence throwing the results away and declaring Trump to be re-elected is a legitimate and legally sound strategy. I do not believe that you believe this. Do you think if Biden as VP in 2016 threw the results away and declared Hilary the victor, that it would've been legal or anything remotely close to legitimate???
Shocking to me that Destiny seems unaware that making an Executive Order to be President for life is, and has always been, incontrovertibly a crime. Maybe he can cite an example where that has been done and not prosecuted or even argued as a legal theory?
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My summary as a conservative leaning individual. Trump tested the waters on niche interpretation of law to maintain power for reasons he felt were justified that were not, some would call this a coup or insurrection, but i feel like those words would deserve a qualifier of soft. Jan 6th was not an insurrection, it was a riot.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 yes and I'd say the same thing if Biden packed the supreme court via EO and attempted to pass an EO declaring himself resident for life. Normally when we use the term insurrection, were referring to a violent seizure of power, not testing the limits of poorly worded legislation.
not at all, listen to the news report. they are both talking about lack of providence, which was found, most likley its the reporter getting the numbers wrong
1:34:15 bodied again and you pivot to Occam's razor so jsut another way to use the word "obvious" while trying to seem intelligent. OMG I LOVE THIS!!!!
39:50 Destiny the term length of the president is set by the 22nd amendment. Executive orders cannot supersede an amendment in the constitution. This renders your example of Biden extending his term completely asinine and in no way analogous to what Trump did.
if mike pence throws out the election results and trump stays in power that is a coup yes. The people going to the capitol are irrelevant in that situation. It’s pretty clear why and how lmfao
Damn, Rob was honestly cooking in the Comey section. I think this is the first time Destiny read a source provided by someone and they didn't completely misrepresent it.
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Rob destroyed Destiny
Also, TH-camrs should stop talking about "Civil Wars". If you mean political civil war, then clarify it. but FFS, stop the "civil war" talk.
Why there are no subtitles?
XD. While I was watching your video I got an add from benshapiro for the daily wire.
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I'm glad Destiny does prep but lets be real Jones is mostly just gonna scream and call him a devil
Not really, jones does actually research and read up facts, jones will surprise Destiny on his leftist biases, johns is not a conspiracy theorists he just reads the news and theories out whats next with somthing to go off of to justify his theory,
Leftist loves to project themselves on the right and assume the worst from the right, mean while doing exactly the things they claim to fear from the right
Alex Jones is one of the most intellectual debaters of our time
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Rob seems like the type of guy to be the crazy uncle at your family's holiday get together but then is also the same uncle you can count on to answer the phone at 3am when your car dies while you're doing something you shouldn't be doing and he doesn't tell your parents as long as you get your life together.
Haha that’s spot on
Very real
100%
That's truth
A good ole' boy with a pick up truck is better than any prayer when your car breaks down on the highway.
Rob while being everything wrong with modern conservatives, is far too respectful to be a good prep for Alex jones.
As a neutral he won the debate by alot
@@happywednesday6741 😂
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@@aidanpatman-clark7131 hehehe
He was correct on a lot of things.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🏛️ *January 6th is seen as an attempted insurrection by Donald Trump, with efforts to hold onto power through various means.*
01:51 📜 *Conservatives point to the disregard for rules, norms, and the Constitution by Donald Trump, viewing him as a threat to the Republic.*
09:08 🌐 *Discussion branches into the concept of the American global role, contrasting national interest versus global influence and its impact on policies.*
16:07 🤨 *Analyzing Trump's actions through a lens of flexible authoritarianism and political corporatism to label them as a form of fascism.*
19:16 🗳️ *Key distinction: Trump's unique action of pursuing the Eastman legal theory to manipulate electors stands out compared to past challenges, elevating concerns about a coup attempt.*
21:51 🔍 *Eastman's theory aimed to have Pence unilaterally toss electors of seven states, potentially leading to a House vote where Trump would win.*
22:47 🏛️ *Eastman's theory involved pushing the election decision to state houses, giving Trump an advantage based on Republican House delegates.*
23:54 📜 *Eastman's plan focused on claiming dual slates of electors in seven states, enabling the House to declare Trump the winner.*
24:35 🛡️ *The legality of the action, not just the definition, matters in labeling it as a coup or insurrection.*
25:59 💡 *Legal steps, even if constitutionally dubious, may still constitute a coup if taken by a president to entrench their power.*
34:10 🚫 *Pence's unilateral action to toss electors based on alternate slates aimed to circumvent the Electoral Count Act, potentially altering the election outcome.*
36:18 📜 *Eastman's plan wasn't about following through with legal processes but manipulating the system to benefit Trump.*
40:18 📜 *There's debate on whether actions intended to change election results could be considered a coup, depending on the legalities and outcomes.*
44:15 🧠 *Despite legal debates, most agree that allowing the Vice President to unilaterally alter election results goes against the spirit of democracy.*
45:23 🇺🇸 *There are historical examples of disputed electoral votes, but they differ significantly from the proposed actions, involving official state recognition and electoral certifications.*
52:09 🗂️ *Historical cases of alternate electoral votes were rooted in genuine disputes recognized by state institutions, unlike the proposed scenario of unilaterally rejecting certified votes.*
58:20 🔍 *Understanding procedural issues in past elections helps contextualize current disputes.*
59:44 🏛️ *Similarities exist between past Democratic goals in 1876 and claims made by Trump's team in 2020 regarding election fraud.*
01:00:13 🤔 *Questions arise about laws determining voting rights and the legitimacy of alternate elector slates.*
01:01:09 ⚖️ *Historical instances of alternate electors and challenges prompt a discussion about legal responses and perceived double standards.*
01:02:04 🌍 *The focus shifts from subjective viewpoints to the legal system's response to these actions.*
01:05:53 🏛️ *Distinct cases between past and present electoral controversies underscore nuanced differences in legal interpretation and circumstances.*
01:07:42 🤔 *Despite similarities in alternate electors, differences in intentions and circumstances shape how these actions are perceived legally.*
01:17:32 🗳️ *Trump's belief in election rigging stemmed from legal changes in voting laws in Pennsylvania, leading to court challenges regarding mail-in voting and signature verification.*
01:20:45 📜 *Pennsylvania's mail-in voting law was ruled unconstitutional in 2022, raising questions about the legality of voting changes, but the Supreme Court later overturned this decision.*
01:21:26 🏛️ *Trump had reasons to believe the election was rigged, citing legal challenges in Pennsylvania and potential impacts on the election outcome.*
01:27:47 🌐 *Trump's claims of election fraud focused on swing states and alleged anomalies, fueling his belief in a rigged election despite multiple claims being invalidated.*
01:36:26 🗳️ *There was anticipation about late-counted ballots favoring Democrats, widely acknowledged before the election, including by Trump's team.*
01:37:22 🤔 *Arguing that an election is secure when significant changes to voting methods occur might become a recurring trend, not just a one-time occurrence.*
01:41:09 📥 *Chain of custody issues regarding ballots in Georgia were raised, although subsequent reviews and investigations altered the narrative around these concerns.*
01:46:16 🧐 *The legitimacy of challenges to election results was doubted due to their lack of substantive change despite numerous inquiries and recounts.*
01:55:34 🕵️♂️ *The Weiner case agent expressed concerns to the Southern District of New York, prompting further investigation after the FBI's delayed action on the laptop.*
01:56:18 🚔 *Going outside the FBI to another agency like the Southern District of New York was unconventional, suggesting a lack of response within the chain of command.*
01:57:26 🧐 *The Southern District of New York's involvement pressured Comey into publicly announcing the investigation's reopening to avoid potential accusations of cover-up.*
02:00:30 🤔 *The Inspector General highlighted the FBI's inaction until external pressure intervened, indicating a reluctance to address the Weiner laptop issue promptly.*
02:05:11 🕵️♂️ *The IG report suggests the FBI's inadequate explanations for delayed action on the laptop issue, indicating incompetence or bias, leading to further investigation.*
02:08:12 🕵️♂️ *Despite FBI leadership's belief that the laptop information was significant, delayed action persisted due to internal issues, even with ample resources available.*
02:11:44 🕵️♂️ *The report revealed a lack of evidence suggesting intentional hiding of the Weiner laptop, but it also questioned the FBI's failure to act on crucial information promptly.*
02:13:20 🔍 *The discussion dives into why certain FBI members didn't pursue investigating the Weiner laptop more stringently.*
02:14:45 🕵️♂️ *The conversation speculates about the FBI's prioritization between Russia collusion and investigating the Weiner laptop, suggesting potential biases.*
02:15:56 🤔 *The debate grapples with the possibility of FBI bias against Trump and favoring Clinton, examining the evidence and patterns of behavior.*
02:17:07 🕵️♀️ *Exploring the significance of potential biases within the FBI and the impact on investigations, considering internal reasons and responses.*
02:18:30 💡 *The conversation delves into differing interpretations of the Inspector General's report, specifically on bias and evidence clearing individuals within the FBI.*
02:19:42 📰 *Discussing the handling of the Weiner laptop investigation, considering Comey's public announcements and their impact on the political landscape.*
02:21:50 🔄 *The debate focuses on patterns of FBI behavior, suggesting a correlation between bias, actions against Trump, and favoritism towards Clinton.*
02:23:31 📊 *Examining the repercussions of FBI bias or incompetence on trust in the agency and the implications for future investigations.*
02:25:10 🧐 *A heated exchange over Comey's public announcements, diverging perspectives on their impact, and conjecture versus evidence within the IG report.*
02:30:18 🔍 *Reviewing specific reasons behind Comey's public announcement about the reopened investigation, including concerns about concealment and perceptions regarding the election.*
02:32:41 📰 *Comey's belief that Hillary Clinton would win shaped the handling of the investigation; they aimed to avoid accusations of aiding her victory.*
02:35:00 📢 *Comey's decision to announce Hillary's wrongdoings sans charges aimed to preempt post-election controversies, assuming she'd win.*
02:35:42 📚 *Comey's concern about delegitimizing Hillary's win led to his disclosure of her wrongdoings before the election.*
02:36:24 🔄 *Handling of Clinton and Trump investigations reflects disparities; Comey's belief in Hillary's victory heavily influenced his actions.*
02:37:05 💥 *Comey's announcements were more about preserving FBI's reputation than intentionally affecting the election outcome.*
02:37:48 🗳️ *Comey's actions regarding announcements were frequently cited to counter arguments about FBI corruption during Trump's era.*
02:38:16 🏛️ *Comey's primary concern was to maintain the FBI's public reputation rather than influence the elected official's relationship with the bureau.*
02:38:58 🗣️ *The public perception of the FBI, shaped by Comey's announcements, played a critical role, despite not being an ideal practice for the bureau.*
02:39:26 ⚖️ *Trump's firing of Comey was linked to discrepancies between public and private statements regarding the Russian investigation, potentially amounting to obstruction of justice.*
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A robot did it@@FatherManus
There's AI for this now? That's actually pretty cool.
For any conservatives in the comment section remember destiny's criticism: don't just say "wow destiny is so wrong here", bring up a specific fact he's wrong about.
Dude! Trump wasn't trying to stay! It was just a rally to say good bye to him! 😃🤥
@@jb31969based and true-pilled
Wow, Govna3969 is so wrong here
He literally thinks Trump would usher fascism in America 😂
@@jb31969 nope it failed because of age difference, she didn't want to live in America and because it's a girls name
The abrupt "it's MEEEE..." of Rob caught me off guard. Only acceptable entrance for this character going forward
He's like Newman from Seinfeld lol
He sounds like Snot from American Dad to me.
@@DissentingDogLevi I can't unhear it now FML lol
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Jesus, conservatives grade Trump on the biggest curve in the history of curves.
meanwhile Biden is your god 🤣
@@seanutube5945this is a truly epic comment sir, you win the internet for today 😏
@@seanutube5945 Says the party who indefinitely defends a guy who tried to overthrow democracy, fucked a pornstar, openly discusses how he sexually harasses women, still wants the Central Park Five convicted, and failed to build your wall. Yeah really upholding your values there at least Biden stands for mine.
@@seanutube5945This is the root of the problem. Most people who voted for Biden did so because the alternative was Trump. Trump supporters love and worship him and since they view him like that, they assume everyone else loves their choice just as much. I don’t know if basically anyone who’s talked good about Biden other than Destiny and even then, it was “I think he’s been doing alright”, so this thought of “Biden is your god!” Is actually fucking delusional
@@seanutube5945the left was absolutely owned after this one ☝️
It's debates like this that show you who watch Destiny for good debate and those who watch Destiny because she's a cute girl they simp for.
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So the recording of trump asking Brad Raffinsburger to find him 11,751 votes means nothing?
Not to people like Rob.
Shhhhhhh! Don’t mention that!
I wish people would focus more on that than the riot.
Surprised there's no coped out conservetards here not trying to justify this with a psychosis rant.
But the vague recording of Victoria nuland phone call is 100% proof of US meddling in the Ukrainian election, but Trump recording is nothing but a fart.
I know for a fact Rob argued that about Ukraine.
Lol, God Help Destiny. A debate with Alex Jones on Jan 6 is like trying to explain to a child that eating ice cream everyday is bad for you.
AJ, as much as I dislike him, will tone down his rhetoric and attempt to be reasonable when met with pretty solid argument. Left alone, or placed in an echo chamber, he goes off to lala land.
@@outty77 Destiny tried to debate him before on a panel. jones was as unhinged as normal.
If it is bad for me why does it taste so good?
There is no incentive for Alex Jones to concede any points or change any of his beliefs. He needs to appeal to his audience. That's how he puts caviar on the table. Destiny knows this, so the debate is mostly for the audience, not to try to convince Alex of anything.
You're completely wrong. Alex Jones does NOT calm down with a solid argument. He shouts people down and hangs up on them regularly. If you think Alex Jones is okay, you have about 2000 hours of Knowledge Fight to listen to.@@outty77
I used to think Rob was kinda dumb because he’d often make horrible arguments that were illogical. Now I’m thinking that’s not the case. Instead he’s so wildly partisan that he becomes blinded to the logic as he forces as many facts as possible to fit into his desired narrative.
I think the fact that he can’t just say it’s very possible that Trump knew he didn’t win the election is pretty telling.
@joefission7179 you argue the same about Destiny. They both have their minds made.
@@Estril980 yea I mean it all boils down to what does Trump actually believed. If he was delusional I still think he's unfit for president though lol.
@@Estril980 I've seen Destiny's mind change when presented differing facts many times. Rob lacks the ability to ever admit he was wrong about something. Dems bad, Repubs good. That's his entire worldview.
I have much more respect for the dumb person than the willfully dumb person tbh.
What happened on J6 that indicated the rioters were going to siege power of the unites states and run the country themselves from that day forward?
Nothing. Destiny already admitted that there was no actual insurrection but that there was a “fear” that they “could have” interrupted the process and that would have been bad for the country. It’s all feelings and what ifs.
>HEATED debate
>incredibly reasonable discussion
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@@josepoika5388my brother, this way of trying to convert others is absolutely braindead, it just makes our religion decrease in numbers even more
Rob is probably the best prep for Alex Jones
I mean, he did try to gishgallop and change subject few times and Destiny caught him almost instantly every time, so i guess that was a good training for Alex Jones that will inevitably somehow arrive at demonic mind control if you give him an inch.
Nobody prepares for Alex Jones
@@Aeonfellthe problem is everyone underestimates Alex. Agree with him or not he’s generally knowledgeable about the topic and won’t just be blindsided by something.
@@ldcow3948bro ..the guy called Sandy Hook a hoax. He literally underestimated himself. Not a single word that comes out of that guy's mouth should ever be taken seriously
The bare minimum to debating someone is sharing the same reality. Debating Jones is stupid because you can't really have a successful debate with someone who can't even agree on the sky being blue. There's literally no way to win a debate with someone who thinks Obama is a satanic, interdimensional child molester that smells like sulfur or whatever.
I love how Destiny when from Trump did committ insurrection to attempted insurrection while providing absolutely no evidence thats what trump wanted.
Which is wild because he will demand that someone has to prove Trump didn’t want that with an example. That’s the opposite of how we demonstrate mens rea.
Basically everyone around Trump admitted he knew the election wasn't stolen. He has way more to lose by admitting that too. The logic points in one direction. Isn't Trump supposed to be a stable genius?
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Destiny took a big L vs Rob in the recent debate. Particularly the takedown at 2:29:50 where Destiny is forced to admit Rob is right re: reasons Comey made public statements on updates with Hillary investigation before election. It is actually mind boggling that someone involved in politics as much as Destiny does not recall the timeline of events and pushes the Comey announcement as a means to ignore the mountains of evidence of bias against Trump in the FBI.
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Rob the villain we need but don't deserve
😂 He's insufferable to listen to but probably the best prep Destiny can go to. He seems nice too lol
@@sa-mp5iwno, he just holds nuanced views
@@AgentSeventyOne ikr. he has just about the most infuriating debate styles out of any of the Orbiters or anybody in the politics debate scene, but when he's not in debate mode he comes across as a real nice, genuine dude.
His also well read when it comes to some laws most than average americans I would say, but I also think in a weird way he wants to remain with his ideology.@@sa-mp5iw
His good faith beliefs were somewhat refreshing, even if they were not so sound lol
I hate this "Trump bad" meta. Its been how long? 8 years and people still going?
First of all all these debates are pointless.. Trump was never charged so it doesnt matter what unhinged reasoning Right or left has.
Both make me roll my eyes every time i listen to this bs.
Trump also never Instructed anyone so whatever suggestive language was used doesnt matter.
Thats it..
I dont live in NA btw i dont support either side i just like to listen to the rotten politics and unbearable cultural shifts that occur in NA.
3 years of people crying over and over again because of something that was never tried to begin with is just annoying at this point.
If he ever gets charged and looses. Congrats on the shortest inssurection in human history where people left after 2 hours and never fought again.
Facts are facts bro. Trump spent an entire year spreading conspiracies about a stolen election without any evidence all because he''s a sore loser, and when they broke into the capitol to stop one of our countries most sacred and important processes he refused to dissuade the mob. He's just not a good person, bro; and now he's a criminal, I guess.
Its time for him to face consequences. He does not think with the our countries best interest in mind and needs to be kept away from any position of power.
Ur gonna lose this debate. If it was an insurrection it’s pretty weak one with all the guns conservatives have. Also trump clearly said “walk up to the capitol and let your voice be heard, peacefully” so when you say a guy is calling for that, when he clearly calls for a peaceful protest…
Why do you focus on one tiny aspect, but also leave out "fight like hell" "they're making a terrible terrible decisions certifying this [REDACTED] epection" among other quotes that make it absolutely clear he wants something done for him whether it's Pence unilaterally throwing the results in the trash or what he wanted power and he didn't care how he got it. Inarguably it was an attempt and if a Democrat was doing anything remotely close conservatives would have done much much worse than what they did on the sixth.
Also, he didn't "clearly call for a peaceful protest" given the type of things he was saying AND KNEW THE CROWD WAS ARMED AS HE WAS BRIEFED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
@@DogshitArgumentyour handle is perfect prelude to everything you write
@@jethrotool4828 I'm super happy you're willing to announce to everyone that you fall for the name bait as a substitute for replying to a SINGLE thing I said that you take issue with. You are exactly the type of person that alt media, MSM, and scam artists thrive off of. Intensely incapable of critical thought to where your first action when seeing something contradictory to the narratives you buy without good reason, is to fling insults or look for some sort method to hand-wave everything said. Next time just say *"I wish I could think of a single thing to respond with, but I don't have my E-father to tell me what to think and say right now."*
@@DogshitArgument you’re just regurgitating what the tv told you. But nice try
Alex Jones is for sure gonna just do the narrative building, the fact based debate that Destiny wants is unlikely to happen.
Agreed, i would just hope alex bring up AT LEAST one thing that makes destiny go "no way let me look that up......oh....nvm" just one thing anything 🤣🤣
Alex Jones actually has a lot of fact based knowledge. It should be a pretty interesting debate.
Alex Jones' schitck is to bring up random documents or stories that 99.9% of people haven't heard of. The idea is to confuse the opponent so they look unprepared. Like he will say we shouldn't trust the FBI, but to do so, "Let me show you this FBI document that proves my point" lol.
Lol nothing is "fact based" when you start with an incredibly hyperbolic claim like "insurrection happened" with no convictions or even a single person charged with insurrection, lol. Leftists are always bad faith.
@@swickens930 Those are rhetorical appeals that require fact. Logos, Pathos, and Ethos are rhetorical ways to build a narrative in order to make your argument land effectively and convince an audience. Logos is built on facts to create a cohesive narrative, however if that narrative isn't actually unequivocally supported by facts then the appeal falls apart. Especially since non-insurrection narratives have way more burden of proof right now.
destiny sure seems to ask a lot of questions and when he receives an answer he doesn't like, he tries to pivot as though the other person is making shit up... Would've enjoyed it more if he actually entertained the position and reconsidered his stance a bit more. (Or, actually refute the guest's positions...)
Did Rob just suggest Zelensky started a war with Russia to stay in power?!?! WTF
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Destiny - Gives a hypothetical about how Biden could stay in power using every tool at his disposal. Trump- doesn't do that thing. Destiny "Trump did any and everything possible to stay in power. Destiny your rationalization on your position isn't internally consistent.
What a pathetic strawman. The point of his hypothetical was to illustrate how something not being explicitly illegal doesn't make it permissible under the law...
Of course Trump wouldn't try to pull something like that off; even an egomaniac like him would realize trying to become dictator Julius Caesar style would have literally ZERO chance of succeeding. He honestly probably did think that his best bet of remaining in power would be in convincing Pence to overturn the votes.
@@gonfreecss6002 So rather than do the other legal thing he could have done he asked someone to do something legal that ultimately did not stop the peaceful transfer power. Lol it’s almost as if Trump understood that doing something more egregious would have been a proverbial crossing the Rubicon. lol what a grasp.
@@512TexasRedNoooo, orange man bad! Can't make him seem smart! He's not a successful real estate magnate that's authored numerous books and brokered peace deals (yes, plural) in the Middle East 😢
Destiny doesn't realise that a claim doesn't have to be later validated for someone to initially believe it's true 🤣 that's a non sequitur. Sure the claims that convinced trumps were later proved untrue; but that doesn't mean he didn't initially think they had legs.
No, they were actively proven to him over and over again to be valid results. He was informed on every recount, his cabinet and assistants informed him of this over and over again and his face said it all according to them, and then days or weeks after being grossly over-informed on the validity of this election he would vigorously LIE to the American people about the misinformation floating around on social media whether it was things in Georgia, Arizona, or wherever else. He would be intensely up-to-date informed, and would go on to lie to his base and say they being corrupt and stealing power when he is the one actively trying to do that.
He was literally spamming in his social media and in speeches that there will be interference in the process, he had absolutely no clue, he was as bold-faced a liar as they come.
It requires initial reasonable suspicion, and no such initial reasonable suspicion ever existed outside of planned election doubt, purely paranoia-based fears of “they’re against us so they must have rigged something” and the more common “let’s make up some fun pet theories and see what the public likes to hear the most so we can start repeating those more”
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he was calling governors to force them to "find votes" homie didnt think anything had legs... trump can bearly even spell legs.
Destiny only talks about "the will of the voters" When they are democrats. What about the people who voted and showed up to Jan 6 because they truly felt their vote was being taken away from them. Destiny thinks it is perfectly acceptable to subvert the will of a maga voter all day long with a smile on his face. If a Maga voter feels that their will is being taken away then destiny would love that outcome, instead of talking about "they did a coup" He would be talking about how the violence is justified or "only some % of the people were violent" It is clear he is a partisan but I have much hope for the guy. With enough exposure to ideas he may allow himself to learn and grow. Much love but the intellect is lacking.
My god…Just my god…😂
Oh my god you trump supporters are so stupid.
I think it’s funny that Destiny is fully willing to extrapolate the contents of Trump’s thoughts and beliefs based on nothing more than his understanding of reports of what the people around Trump are saying, but he requires stone tablets declaring the bias of the FBI before he’ll credit any suggestion of their dishonesty.
Trump is a single egotistical man-child with easy to predict behaviors whereas the FBI is a large government organization that has many functions and has conflicting loyalties to a variety of other parties. Pretending these two things are comparable is rarted.
All of Trump's actions can be easily explained by him being a power-hungry sore loser, which everybody already acknowledges him to be. He has openly proclaimed to hate losers and losing for years now, and this is something his own followers will attest to. So when he lost the election he just couldn't accept it, even when everyone around him told him the election had been fair. All of his actions have been that of a sore-loser who can't accept defeat with grace.
Trump's call with the Georgia Secretary of State were more his own words, though.
We also have trumps actions and the Georgia call which is words from his own mouth
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Destiny's background knowledge on stolen election claims and FBI misconduct is shallow. Seems like he's hearing a lot of this info for the first time in this conversation.
Bubbles do that to people.
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@Destiny did u just defend Hillary's private email server? Tf? Plz explain
Its okay when it smears Trump, no matter what or who
lol…. “No no no, to be fair. HE has been told by everyone in his circle”…
How do you know that to be true? To be fair.
How to you know, anyone, in his circle told him”x”?
Because someone outside his circle, who talks negatively about him at every chance says so?
Or geez.! You’re saying “everyone in the White House, everyone in his campaigns, everyone!”
So wrong.
Destiny not understanding Rob’s explanation for Comey’s announcement is about to make me a fucking Rob Noerr fan, what the fuck
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@@josepoika5388 THE CHURCH LIED TO YOU ABOUT THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS, AND SPENDS MILLION OF DOLLARSD TO PROTECT CHILD MOLESTING PREISTS!!! JESUS WILL NOT LOOK KINDLY ON THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE CHURCH WHO MOCKS HIS WORK FOR POWER
When the FBI can be weaponized it’s an issue - it’s weird that doesn’t alarm someone who is so reasonable
Destiny clearly stated that political bias in the FBI is a bad thing and should be actively suppressed in the decision making process. To be clear, there will always be bias in what should and should not be prioritized (i.e. the severity or type of case - not necessarily politically based biases and nor should Red or Blue play a factor). The FBI does not have infinite resources to pursue each and every case the same. To act as though someone could just willy-nilly use the FBI against whoever is a poor interpretation of issues that were found in the IG and Durham reports. All in all, the 3-party oversight was pretty damn good by the looks of it. Bad actors were found with one of them actively being charged, and has put greater pressure on the FBI to ensure that there are rigorous processes in place to minimize biases.
Listening to Rob's ham-fisted attempts to throw as much shit at the wall as possible gives me brainworms.
That's what he always does.
And here we are ending on a completely useless topic. It’s how Robb operates… throw shit around until you sufficiently derail the original topic to one that no one can defend then acts like he won the whole debate.
The only thing more full a shit would be Destiny fans ❤
Damn what a 🔥. I am not a destiny fan but his process of getting to the heart of the matter is a strength of his…. Rob on the other hand only looks to run you around meaningless bull shit until it gets boring. Once you see it a few times it gets super boring, super quickly.
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Only question to ask is why is Trump being held to a clearly different standard on every single issue?
Everyone is focusing on the wrong problem. It's misdirection and it's working.
You can't sit here and argue that Trump is a model individual or is an objectively good candidate.
But the anger isn't from the mistreatment of Trump. The anger is from a clearly bianced regulation of the political space but no one ever talks about that.
They just want to hinge all the anger as coming from stupid people who think Trump is a great guy and then they try to lock you in a argument over justifying trumps character instead of focusing on the worrying moves being made by the judiciary and legislative branches.
"But Trump did this and this and this"
"So? Hilary did this and this and nothing happened. So why is THIS different? It'd weird"
"Hold on are you saying you SUPPORT trump?!"
"No...."
"So you think Trump is a great leader?"
"Uhhh....no...."
@@ayoo_wassup double standard is the only problem.
@@ayoo_wassup "people should really focus on whataboutism more"
Smartest right winger
@yayorandel6048 literally
I have ZERO problem with Trump being put in a prison cell so long as biden and Clinton are in the cells next to him.
But if it's just him. After a 5 year long crusade with multiple failures. And everyone else skates away and we get told how awesome our democracy is and to shut up about the emails already
That will leave a really bad taste in my mouth.
@at5203 I don't speak to people who throw around vague buzzwords.
They tend to spend much more time listening to other peoples opinions than thinking.
Damn robs a contender, also perfect person to debate about this topic to prepare debating Alex jones on it
I'm not a Trump fan at all, but I may or may not have a shrine of trump's balls next to my night stand
He is not a contender. Pretty much everything he said was crap. He is good at saying nothing and being debate brained and rotted but that’s it.
@@DonQuixote1187 lol get ur head outta ur own ass 😂
@@DonQuixote1187Maybe that's the point - Do you think Alex Jones will bring facts, logic, and substance in a debate?
@@Granpireto an extent he will, but I am sure he will be at least somewhat unhinged.
Alex Jones gonna destroy this boy. Destiny is not awake enough to even compete.
Rob may have dogshit arguments but he seems like a lovely person and I'm always happy to see him tbh.
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Imagine wasting so much time avoiding the simplest explanation that answers every question.
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Lol Destiny is such a state apologist. Calling Jan6 an insurrection is completely laughable.
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It’s insanely irritating how much destiny is interrupting this guy. He keeps on answering destiny’s questions, I’m trying to follow and understand and it makes it super hard because I’m not as intelligent as destiny and the dude he’s talking too.
As he’s explaining destinys questions I’m starting to follow and understand the beginning of his points but then destiny interrupts with another question.
Destiny… LET THE GUY EXPLAIN.
Rob’s a great person to talk to for this
I absolutely agree. They utilize immensely similar debate techniques.
Indeed, he's a highly regarded individual.
Lol, not a fan but fair play to him for doing this
He was able to entertain hypotheticals which is way more than I can say for the typical debate bro
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Q: "insurrection"? How exactly were these unarmed people strolling around taking selfies going to take over the country?
They were not unarmed, you are LYING, and the goal was to pressure Pence into just TAKING the election since he was the guy who certifies it and Trump thought he would have Pence just take that power for Trump. Or they could harm the congressmen as they were chanting they desperately wanted to, and frankly if all those people at the Capitol were dedicated enough they could've laid down their lives and got the job done but they were all cowards.
Either way Trump tried to defraud the people and usurp power that was no longer his through highly immoral and illegal means. Inarguably an attempted coup.
@@DogshitArgumentyou’re trying so hard and failing miserably
All roads of the conservative cinematic universe lead back to her emails.
The Jan 6 'insurrectionists' were:
- Virtually all of them were unarmed.
- The largest amount of violence they engaged in were minor scuffles with police.
- The largest amount of damage they caused was the 'theft' of the speakers podium (which never made it past the lobby).
- The overwhelming majority of them had no interest in overturning an election and there is no conceivable way their actions could have accompished this goal even if they had wanted to.
How many other insurrections are you aware of that overwhelmingly consisted of unarmed people, engaging in minor scuffles, petty theft with no actual intent of causing an insurrection nor any conceivable mechanism to do so?
But muh 'worse than 9/11'
1) Virtually all of them were unarmed - same with BLM rioters. So I guess those weren't violent either.
2) You clearly don't know what violence means. If BLM protesters kidnapped, blindfolded, and tied up Ivanka Trump from her bedroom and held her hostage, but didn't actual bruise or cut her, is that violence?
3) yeah they were too cowardly to do any damage. I'll give you that.
4) also agree..they were angry and too stupid to realize that what they were doing was becoming an eternal laughing stock to anyone with a functioning brain.
In conclusion, I totally agree with you. It was the most cowardly attempt at an insurrection in American history. And it was carried out by Trump supporters. At least they left that accurate mark in history.
It's been heavily politicized and now weaponized for the future election, is my view.
Shhhhh. Don’t question the narrative
@@jethrotool4828yeh it's not like he's literally debating the issue in prep for Alex Jones. What you mean shhhh like that's not literally what they're talking about and him looking for people to question tje narrative, actual Brain worms
@1:25:01 haven't you heard of the cliche where a highly ambitious/motivated individual wants to start a risky business and practically everyone tells him it will never work, it will fail, he will go bankrupt, etc. And that person goes on to achieve what was set upon (ie: SpaceX, Amazon, AAPL, etc). Sure, there will be many more losers than winners, but there evidently is a winner. That invalidates your argument. The majority consensus does not necessarily imply the correct result. In the past, the US gov had majority consensus that slavery was just. What about women's suffrage?
J6 wasn't an insurrection.
"a violent uprising against an authority or government." Yeah no it literally was
@@IsomerSoma no it literally wasn’t.
Okay, then how would you characterize a protest turned riot that violently broke into the capitol building of the country to stop/delay a democratic process from taking place while chanting "Hang Mike Pence" when he refused to overturn the election. Honestly, I'd be impressed if you could characterize it as anything BUT an insurrection xD
It was riot, at worst. It was an engineered FBI event, and if you can't see that BLM did far, far worse, then you need to see a neurosurgeon
Ah the mental gymnastics, it's okay to admit it was.
I want to give Destiny props for giving great discussion and debate. He brings great points and perspective in a respectful way even if we would disagree. We need these debates.
Destiny was incapable of accepting anything as a legitimate position subjective that differed from his embraced narrative. He was way too often wrong on facts and ungracious when proven so. And, his constant interruptions and tone was hardly respectful.
@P0wFish
you're both stupid
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Are you joking? Satire right?
Fan of Destiny, but he sounds like a fed in this one
Not that that's bad, but I totally get why people would say that now
wtf does a fed sound like lol
@gonfreecss6002 im not completely serious, as I don't genuinely believe that he is one, but it's just the dogged acceptance of whatever the mainstream narrative is on these topics in particular is.
So, he's very critical of the left and what they do, but for whatever reason, seems completely incapable of considering that the government might have a political skew at a point in time.
If you’re unwilling to admit your own bias then you can be corrupted
What are Destiny’s biases? 😂
I’m asking because I think ur a clown and will defend anything about him, NOT because I don’t think he has any lol ❤
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@@josepoika5388 atoned for insults? lol…. Since when is speaking the truth an insult?
Rob is more slippery than a greased eel in these debates. Just like Destiny said, these people will move the conversation so far off the original point that you're 30 minutes in and wondering what the hell you're even arguing about
What do you mean, Destiny moved the goal multiple times too, and Destiny stopped Robs examples saying it doesn't matter then follows up with his own path of Doesn't matter Topic,
Example- Everyone (selected people) said to trump thing dent happen, So trump shouldnt think thing happened because "people" said thing dent happen,
Those people have their opinions while trump is supposed to I guess have no Opinion but to listen to his people's Opinions,
Its funny because Biden is clearly is a puppet with no Opinion, and yall want Trump to be a Puppet and not be himself,
Its amazing how Orange man bad news for 4-5 years made democrats liberals brain mush on only seeing trump bad,
It brought hope to me when Destiny was being more even handed less biased on Israel Palestinian
I'm in agreement with Destiny, but Rob seemed to clearly argue in good faith?
@@webdesigntutz around 1:47:50 I guess, the reason they veered off Jan 6th to the Comey thing was Destiny's argument here
Rob was actually making a really good faith effort to stay on topic here, honestly doing a better job than Destiny!
“If I lose to a conservative it’s only because they cheated better”
- leftards ❤
I made the mistake of debating Rob Noerr on his stream for 4 hours...he spent 30minutes looking through my Twitter to say that since I didn't tweet about something...I must be lying and I don't actually believe it. He's such a disingenuous debater, it's so bad.
Imagine talking to me, someone whose never had twitter lol
Also probably called you a piece of shit and bad faith.
That has nothing to do with the fact he destroyed destinys argument..He openly admits trump was trying to use a legal theory...Which isnt an insurrection which is a violent attempt to over throw the government
Lol look a follower
Not violence but use of force. BIIIIIIGGGGG difference. @@brucehwang9789
such a leap to suggest all those agents who now appear constantly on MSNBC and CNN had no bias whatsoever.
Conservatives: "Facts don’t care about your feelings."
Also Conservatives: But we said nothing about our alternative facts. Those care deeply.
Yeah they changed it from trying to stop Bidens coup to just a rally to say good bye to Trump.
It's kind of impressive.
Jan 6 should be a holiday. Respect the revolutionaries.
What is an alternative fact? Is that just facts you don't like?
@@whasian1487 It's kind of a meme. "Alternative facts" was a phrase used by U.S. Counselor to Trump--Kellyanne Conway--during a Meet the Press interview, where she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer's false statement about the attendance numbers of Donald Trump's inauguration as President of the United States. So alternative facts are basically just falsehoods.
@@GO-GO_SO-SO ah, ok. Alternative fact jusy means lie. Got it.
Rob inspires me to never give up no matter how dangerously under prepared I may be
Jan 6 was a very patriotic day
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The TDS is strong with destiny.
I'll admit I don't know that much about this, but what gets to me is how the focus is so heavily upon the written text.
So I work for my local railroad, right? And my employer has given its employees a half day every year (either for Christmas Eve or New Years Eve, sorted out amongst the staff typically along seniority lines). This has been long standing practice, so much so that the employer has a payment code specifically for this purpose. In 2019, my employer claimed that it was unable to give us a half day for the holiday. One of the unions brought them to arbitration, and won the right to a half day.
Now, there was nothing in the union agreement for the union to point to. When arbitration concluded that we were owed the half day, they did so with this in mind.
The core of the union's argument during arbitration was simple: When the contract is silent, past practice prevails. Even though it was never explicitly stated that the rail road had to give us a half day, the fact of the matter is that they had done so, every year, for decades.
Anyway, that's what I don't understand. Even if the law itself is dubiously written, isn't the actual power of the vice president in this situation essentially etched in stone through decades of practice? Wouldn't that be the obvious go-to when trying to make this determination?
Since this has never come up and the Vice President has never tested this power. It’s actually the complete opposite scenario as the one you described in your Union case
@@MrShanester117I don't know, so just to be clear: a specific proviso in law had never been tried until this point, or a specific interpretation of a law had never been tried?
Honestly i think a debate with Ron N. Wld be a more factual debate than Alex jones
Rob is one of the most factual conservatives on the debate circuit and that’s the crazy part because he isn’t that factual. His whole argument basically rested on “well people were out to get him so that’s reason enough to believe the election was rigged”
I honestly wonder… why did destiny upload this? Lol his active misinterpretation of the reality he was being hit with for the last 15 mins, PROVES he is a strong, brave woman
Heck, a debate with Ronald McDonald would
@@cassetteo whatever you do, don’t share any examples that might prove your point
@@cassetteook now this is epic
How can you say every person in trumps circle said he was wrong when Giuliani, Ellis, and other etc where fighting for him in court?
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A yes, "Proof of serious questions". All that's needed to overthrow the government.
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Trump didn't start any wars actually what's going on here
"Are you saying that because he didn't do everything to hold on to power, he didn't do everything to hold on to power?"
“Are you trying to insinuate that Trump was taking unreasonable and unconstitutional actions to try to stay in power illegitimately? Are you serious, Destiny? I mean, he didn’t nuke China!”
Its always good to have Connor on!
Not really he’s just a pansy
Best recurring conservative guest
One that's actually sane apparently 😅
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Was the insurrection more violent than the guy that took your wife and made you pay them 200k? 😂
Words r violence 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Rob did very good here. This was not Destiny’s best outing. Destiny’s’ still a beast.
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“Every state”. No. He talked about less than a handful.
The lengths some of these conservatives go to validate their points is insane. Then when the left does something similar they NEVER stop bringing it up as BLASPHEMY or a COUP.
It's because they start off with the conclusion rather than the facts. To conservatives, truth isn't "that which aligns with reality", but rather, "that which we believe SHOULD be true" or "that which we WANT to align with reality".
@@iamdavidra To be fair both sides do this, it’s just that conservative’s “reality” is much more deluded.
When the left burn the country all day for a year it's ok, when the boys walks around in a public building for 30 minutes it's a coup. Right.
@@iamdavidraoh so you mean like Lefties and Russiagate?
@ayeoneup7645 Very true. I just mentioned conservatives since that was this example. They'd rather go to the most insane takes than admit they were wrong or made a mistake.
Its fucking hilarious this an actual prep
Literally preparing to battle someones imagination 😂
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And trump believed in 2016 if he didn’t win it was illegitimate. Trump claimed if he didn’t win the primaries in 2016 it was illegitimate. Also in 2020 he said if he doesn’t win it must be illegitimate. Jesus.
anyone that says trump didn't win in 2016 doesn't deserve to have their opinion about election security taken seriously
Destiny got destroyed
Destiny needs to check his ego. Even when righty guy clearly proves what he has been saying is backed by evidence after destiny continuously cuts him off, never letting him finish his points, and raising his voice telling him he ain't have any evidence to back up making him look stupid(which destiny is a pro at doing to ppl) yet destiny really showing his old hardcore leftist self coming back out refusing to change his mind after shown proof. DESTINY MY DUDE GO GET LAID I understand break ups are hard especially for emotionally dudes but dang bro you ain't been the same since that scamming woman left you. After my 7 year marriage ended it sucked I cried but you got to realize why be sad about someone who obviously does genuinely care about you seeing how THEY walked away. We need the regular gloomy destiny back not this old hateful I'm right your wrong no matter what destiny that's come back with this irrational thinking. Love ya man although it seems like the end of the world right now the only thing is to be positive about your future prospects and possibilities
And of 2 or 100, why is that described as “he has zero legitimate claims”
And then talk all day how he’s crazy and not a single vote was effected in any way. Lol
Are you ok with locking up everyone on J6, provided 2 out of every 100 attendees were there with bad intentions?
My favorite part was when the one with the girls name said the FBI investigated themselves and found they did absolutely nothing wrong...
Nice lie, and what part about the FBI was it that you didn't like? Where they don't ever generally disclose anything about ongoing investigations?
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@@josepoika5388 You've never met this guy you allege has magical powers, and yet you think he is going to do something for you? Do you hear yourself?
@@DogshitArgument Don't do this... I already had Santa ruined for me 😪
Robert Gouveia is a lawyer that has been covering J6 and related topics from about when it started, from a more conservative perspective, if you want to check out his content.
Feels good having counter points and Rob back on stream
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Destiny presumes all systems work fairly 😂😂😂😂😂😂
No.
@@MonoxideTF2 let me clarify - all systems that are under government control - like courts.
@@MonoxideTF2 yea, just the ones he’s defending 😂❤
@@Macheakokeep coping you lost and your daddy will never be president again. 😘
Destiny and Rob have great chemistry, keep having him on
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impressive shit from rob and pretty terrible overall debating tactics from destiny on this, at times actually dishonest.
Rob should be in the Olympics. His mental gymnastics are impressive.
I mean did every leader throughout history who declared that their country was in a state of international or civil war and enacted emergency powers to stay in control do so because they were an altruistic leader who wanted to serve their country rather than themselves? You can put Trump in jail for treason, but I think what Rob's trying to say is that if he was a really sore loser with a mad lust for power then he would've declared a civil war with any of the states that didn't secede or chose to support him.
Yep he is being ridiculous at the most crucial points. Like hil denying it is even clear that tump was alleging there was a conspiracy going on against him ... 😂 no words.
No, you just are brainwashed into believing only Destiny’s takes
@@Ohyouknowitit is so clear destiny has TDS, he has a hard time engaging with the arguments and starts reading some wiki nonsense he searched wile the guy was speaking which i doubt he was paying attention
@@Sehkh_ its very clear , its also clear that he doesnt listen to half what is said or when hes pressed into a corner with evidence wich he cannot deny he will pivot away from it and start another discussion , years ago when i started watching him i thought he was trying to be objective but lately he is just being a partisan and an apologist for the state and the evils they commit , it has been realy disapointing to see this vile apologetic gal hes spewing for all the evils his side does
nice having a well-spoken opponent who listens, and responds to claims👍
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1:13:43 destiny bite the bullet and say yes
Also. Giuliani ADMITS IN COURT they have no evidence of the election being stolen. They all know they’re full of shit
Rob absolutely roasts destiny here
They don't believe it was an insurrection. This is bollocks.
My God, destiny got destroyed.
There shouldn’t be anything more important than stopping child porn. That’s kind of the issue.
I love Destiny's new approach: Go point by point and confirm what is said. No whataboutsm, and no pivoting.
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@@josepoika5388 That's annoying as hell.
21:39 I think Jan 6 was an insurrection! However, I think destiny immediately lost the argument when he said that it would have still been an insurrection if there was no attack on the capitol… that’s the insurrection part, everything else can be argued to be legal proceedings and bombastic but 1st amendment speech
No it was a riot.
@@jeremiahferguson-sc5rq sure it was a riot the same way the Boston tea party or French Revolutions were “riots” … for clarity I AM saying that a insurrections/revolutions can involve riots
Unarmed people walking around taking selfies while the guards unlocked doors for them is an insurrection? 😂.
Big big hole for Destiny: success of plot depended on Pence, who has stated that he told Trump no before Jan 6, so lack of this lynchpin makes the coup/insurrection attempt claim difficult. Also, your assertion of the number of courts dismissing Trump's claims based solely on a substantive basis seems far fetched. Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer, will know this. Some courts may have commented on the strength of the Trump team's claims, but the reason the vast majority of these cases were tossed was due to procedure (standing), not substance. You need to be more exact on this.
This was why Trump pointed the unhinged crowd to the Capitol, in hope they would cause problems and Pence may be too scared to Certify.
@@solhigh1FUCKIN TRUE
@@solhigh1 Insurrection is an intent based crime. Trump will just say that he told them to peacefully protest. "Pointing" a crowd to go on a 30 minute walk in hopes that they would riot and somehow change Pence's mind seems more of a hail Mary than a plot
Way to go August and Destiny, you guys have been pumping out some solid gold content lately, thank you guys for your hard work and research!
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As a critical thinking neutral (couldnt care less about US politics), I am genuinely baffled that anyone thinks Destiny won this coup/not coup debate...Rob clearly lays out a solid argument that legitimate electoral concern via legitimate legal process = not coup. And Destiny did not disprove or give any good counter evidence a) Against this arguments validity or b) Against its truthfulness. ???
Is it possible you stopped listening the moment that point was raised? This genuinely isn’t even meant to sound passive-aggressive. It’s easy to simply not hear a refutation to a point you perceive to be a mic drop, for lack of a better term.
What you fail to realize is that the "legitimate electoral concern" is an utter falsehood and it was not ever being done through explicitly legal means of just throwing the results away and declaring Trunp the winner. That's inarguably illegal and highly immoral, the results were proven to be accurate, Trump was intensely informed on this, he did not care. He had been saying there would be interference for over 8 months before anyone sent in a single ballot. He was preparing to weaponize his people for about a year before the sixth...
There is no possible way you think that Pence throwing the results away and declaring Trump to be re-elected is a legitimate and legally sound strategy. I do not believe that you believe this. Do you think if Biden as VP in 2016 threw the results away and declared Hilary the victor, that it would've been legal or anything remotely close to legitimate???
@@unconcernedcitizen4092 Can I ask, can you point me to a Democrat vs Republican debate, where you think the Republican won the debate?
@@happywednesday6741Can you respond to a single thing I said???
Rob Noerr is the Great Value Rush Limbaugh
39:30 "Pack the court and make yourself president for life"
Destiny just found the best American coup speedrun strat
What about garrymendering?
Harder to spot, easier to negotiate, easier to modify if needed.
Shocking to me that Destiny seems unaware that making an Executive Order to be President for life is, and has always been, incontrovertibly a crime. Maybe he can cite an example where that has been done and not prosecuted or even argued as a legal theory?
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My summary as a conservative leaning individual.
Trump tested the waters on niche interpretation of law to maintain power for reasons he felt were justified that were not, some would call this a coup or insurrection, but i feel like those words would deserve a qualifier of soft.
Jan 6th was not an insurrection, it was a riot.
"Tested the waters" being "knowingly trying to overturn an election using a legal theory some rando gave him."
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 yes and I'd say the same thing if Biden packed the supreme court via EO and attempted to pass an EO declaring himself resident for life.
Normally when we use the term insurrection, were referring to a violent seizure of power, not testing the limits of poorly worded legislation.
@@deejnutz2068 speaking of packing the supreme court...
Nicely put. 👏
1:44:45
Destiny, you said they found 1500 forms
Rob said they were missing 18,000.
Seems pretty obvious to me those are two separate issues.
not at all, listen to the news report. they are both talking about lack of providence, which was found, most likley its the reporter getting the numbers wrong
Counterpoints is the most progressive conservative I've ever seen.
if such a thing could exist xD
Rob kinda W here
1:34:15 bodied again and you pivot to Occam's razor so jsut another way to use the word "obvious" while trying to seem intelligent. OMG I LOVE THIS!!!!
39:50
Destiny the term length of the president is set by the 22nd amendment. Executive orders cannot supersede an amendment in the constitution.
This renders your example of Biden extending his term completely asinine and in no way analogous to what Trump did.
Dragging their feet for “some reason” …. Ummmm do you not care about that Destiny?
"it does not matter if people did or did not go in the capital that day, it would still be a coup" anyone else think that is an insane take?
if mike pence throws out the election results and trump stays in power that is a coup yes. The people going to the capitol are irrelevant in that situation. It’s pretty clear why and how lmfao
Damn, Rob was honestly cooking in the Comey section. I think this is the first time Destiny read a source provided by someone and they didn't completely misrepresent it.