I've been practicing martial arts for decades. I tell my students to spend 80% of your practice time training and perfecting the techniques you will use 80% of the time in 80% of the self defense situations you may be in. Typically that means core fundamentals like basic punches and basic kicks. After 3-5 years or more if you want to add fancy spinning kicks, sure but master the core skill set first. I say that here because no matter what striking art you train in, 3 basic hand strikes, 3 basic kicks, plus knees and elbows is nearly universal. The other interesting thing is, usually those techniques are taught in the first 2-3 weeks of signing up for classes. Don't wait to learn "advanced" moves or "secret" techniques, the secret is practice the basics everything else is build around them.
Best thing about a ”sport with big pillows in your hands” is that even if you are really really good at it, you don’t think you’re that good at it. Ok, maybe if you’re a contender against Canello, but what easily happens with too much ”realness” where you never actually test anything is that you start to think you’re a badass and could easily take anybody with whatever leathal kravkido you do. If tou actually spar even semi-seriously you know that somebody who has 10 kilos on you and can throw a straight can be a serious problem ”for real”. ”Sporty play fighting with pillows” makes you afraid or at least cautious of real fighting, as you should be.
Yeah the bigger gloves can give you a false sense of security. I feel the same way with kids wearing those chest protectors for sparring. If a kid is scared we will do it, with every intent of stop using it as soon as possible. Yet I also feel the same with grappling arts too. Striking can really change the way you grapple.
Just watched a few videos on old-school British gangsters, bouncers, and "hard men" from the late seventies and early eighties - like almost every single time they talked about a notorious street brawler and crazy mofo, the first words out of their mouths were: "Yeah, he was a very talented amateur boxer" or "There wasn't much money in sanctioned fights, so he fought bare-knuckle in underground matches." It's almost as if knowing how to punch hard as fuck, line fuckers up for a good shot, move out of the way of someone else's punches, and take a few hits without crumbling is actually good for defeating attackers. Who knew.
I have only been going to my local Kick Boxing class for about 6 months or so. To be honest I have always wanted to try a martial art, when I was younger it was Karate. At the point where I decided to go for it I was in a real dark place mentally, as in really dark.... I reached out to a few friends who have trained various martial arts for some time and they said to just go and try it out. So I did. Beyond the physical exertion and obvious health benefits there, it has helped to keep me away from that 'dark place' and metaphorically defeat some bad ass demons. 🙏
Aikido is just very, very, _very_ abstracted wrestling. Like irimi means ”entering” or step in or along those lines, nage means a throw. The beginner version is the ”clothline”, where you do a hip throw while controlling the head from jaw line (the WWF clothline is incorrect way to do it), but really you can take a back guillotine or whatever from it. Irimi is basically the same what any wrestler in any style of wrestling does constantly, at least after you remove the woo and the doo of the modern aikido.
@@hard2hurt I am sorry - but now this dont matter no more 😁😁 By the unspoken rules of the internet and informal TH-cam Gossiping rumor spreading - YOU Icy Mike - have now *taught* Iriminage in a video, next day on a seminar and give or take 10 days - you will have used it against a charging group of 4 Attackers and 3 Mordor Orcs, armed with machetes. Just be ready for the " I thought you dont teach Aikido???" "i thought Aikido sucks??? "why do you teach Aikido now???" "If Aikido doesnt work - why did you use it in a streetfight, while outnumbered?????" comments😁😁
the best self-defense is good boxing ability with a little bit of grappling knowledge and I say this as a semi-pro boxer who worked as a bodyguard at clubs for a year ofc if you could defuse situation by chat - do this instead of fighting
@@scharfzahn1005 I mean, I say it based on my own experience - I trained boxing from the age of 8, I started training BJJ when I was 16, but stopped after 6 months. Kicking isn't just something that I naturally do, and I think in my case it's better not to kick at all than to kick incorrectly. I'm a typical striker and I think many other boxers especially peekaboo guys (like me) - feel fairly confident with their skills in typical street fights without knifes etc.
Elbows, knees, and the clinchwork involving them along with being comfortable defending against strikes are excellent aspects of kickboxing (particularly Muay Thai) for self-defense. Combine that with judo training and you won't be someone to mess with.
great points. I think the best is to understand that self defense and combat sports are two diferent things, but not so far away as RBSD practitioners/gurus think and not exactly the same as the sportman's tend to think also. In my not so long experience teaching KM, we had more injuries caused by people who trained before in traditional martial arts o other selfdefense system than the ones who came from combat sports.
Interesting, I've only known a couple Krav Maga instructors. Yes, definitely need to understand that martial arts and sf defense are not the same thing. Even in BJJ I make sure I tell people that say they want it for SD, I explain where in certain situations how I would approach from a BJJ vs SD standpoint.
Done Kickboxing for years.Definitely one of the most credible arts out there. Done Krav for two years as well. I rate both tbh. Just drill the basics on my own now to keep sharp!
@@martialartsunlimited01 I done Kickboxing for so much longer so have more of an infinity for it. The basics from both are very useful! But like in any system there are many flaws. The fancier stuff doesn't work in real world situations for the most part. But, the fundamentals are solid in both! I am tempted to go and learn Muay Thai tbh.
@@truthhurts6327 It's very situational tbh. Depends on so much. But, I'd say its better to have in the arsenal than not. Started Muay Thai last month. And if your ere toying with doing something. Do Muay Thai. Much better in a street situation as you have short range weapons like knees and Elbows. Plus the clinch. I did cover those in Kickboxing. But, Muay Thai focuses on it and destructive power.
for us, those kicks are a jump 360 degree sidekick and a butterfly kick. some great points in this video: There is great value in getting reps for learning the range and learning control as well. Couple it with getting full force pad and bag drill to develop power. This way you can choose how much power is needed for the situation. I like to use the "drunk friend" scenario, not every altercation requires a full force response. Great stuff!
I got into boxing primarily so my training team and I could practice self defense wrestling against strikes. Turns out Icy Mike is right, its a ton of fun.
I was training kung-fu for 5 years and I quit to learn some kick-boxing because with time I got frustrated how little (or no at all) kung-fu focused on techniques that are actually useful and how little time is devoted to making actual punches and kicks against a moving opponent. Now I would say that it is best to start with basic skills (punches, kicks, dodges, distance) and only being already good at it go waste some time with learning some katas etc. Otherwise after 20 years of karate, kung-fu or whatever one may discover that they have close to no idea about how to actually fight against aggresive opponent. Now I understand why Bruce Lee was not happy with how traditional martial arts perform in real environment and why he wanted to strip kung fu of all the impracticalities, creating his own Jeet Kune Do. Traditional arts are great for people with a lot of free time (like shaolin monks) but we people in the west don't have a luxury to train complex forms for a few hours each day. And this is neccesary to achieve any sort of meaningful results. It's far more practical to build a small house completely than to start building a great mansion but never finish it.
Icy Mike teaching irimi nage?? Haha strange, didn't he say aikido is totally useless? Also I think ninjutsu has a lot of nasty techniques, but one should know how to strike and grapple before learning it. That "ninjutsu irimi nage" application was an excellent demonstration of the "hidden" atemi there is to be find in almost every technique. Headbutts and elbow strikes are very accessible in the locking techniques. I thought you were going to sparr icy mike with aikido when I first saw the thumbnail
This one was filmed back in March. Still working to refresh my randori and I will ask him again in the near future to do the aikido vs Kickboxing video. Thanks for watching and for commenting
@@martialartsunlimited01 awesome, is Eli Knight in your area, I think he could be a great resource for feedback and research on which aikido techniques to set up from clinch. Also one recommendation I hope you will do, could you record the aikido strategy and techniques you will use against Icy Mike, I.e the prepping and game plan before the "fight" and then release them after the "fight"? I think that would be a great mini series and beneficial for aikidokas to watch. I'm staying tuned in JD
I think this is a good video. I also think that kick boxing and muay thai are underestimated as a street fighting scenario. because as you said when practicing it you learn about range and positioning but also you learn how to deliver a hit correctly with maximum transfer of power. but I want to refer to one of your previous videos. you were talking about orthodox vs southpaw and you said that while fighting opponent in opposite stands that its not a good idea to kick to the iside of the leg even if it does lots of damage because someone can simply move their knee to the inside and lift it to block your kick. but what i don't understand is if my opponent is doing it what is stopping me from kicking his other leg right out from under him as he lifts his leg?
I'm thinking you are referring to one of Mike's other videos? I will need to rewatch it to give my input. I'm not sure if Mike will see this to comment.
I feel like a big advantage of training I never see talked about is all the observational experience. You get to know what a newbie mistake is, what the rookie looks like and most importantly TENDS TO DO. You can reasonably predict some untrained guy based on the large body movements and yada yada because of all that sparring (if you see lots of variety and skill levels like you should be).
I belive the sports side of martial arts help with your confidence to move forward to attack the opponent and not worry about being hit because when you do get hit you learn to take it on the chin it definitely toughens you up not all of your attackers punches are going to hit you so if you can take one or two punches or kicks on the way forward you can block parrie or evade the rest as you close the range when your sparring in kickboxing you get used to this type of give and take training it physically and mentally prepares you for what's to come.
Getting hit and getting used to it is what did it for me. Our kickboxing coach is an absolute beast and after i got used to him hitting me in "hardening sessions" as he called them, im not worried at all at whats coming at me from people who dont know how to strike. Been doing sparring with alot of people since then and its so much easier since most strikes to the body dont hurt anymore.
Yeah that getting hit part is super important as you cannot really explain to someone what it's like to get hit. It's something you just have to experience. We did a lot of that with my first karate school. Although the instructor was a PKC fighter, so that might have been why he did that. As I do not recall any other instructor doing it.
you'll have to excuse Mike,,, deep down,,, ok not that deep just a scratch below the surface, he's a bit of a juvenile kid... and we love him for it. Nice work love the content. So true that light sparring can be so important just for range and seeing the movement.
Aren't we all. I mean monster trucks, construction vehicles and all the likes. We collect pops, comics, action figures, swords, guns, knives, video consoles or games. Yeah I think most of us are just big kids. I mean I know that's why I like teaching.
Omm dats wat I told my boxing instructor when I first started he asked the reason I wanted to learn boxing for self defense n I said I just wana learn take a punch and throw one continuously
I like to be fundamentally grounded all the way around,so I train boxing,muay thai,and grappling,I also do krav and eskirma,just because of the weapons,and learning how to be agile against weapons.I spar boxers ,where you can't use legs,or takedowns,their head movements,and footwork are very efficient, I do jiu jitsu which I'm a blue belt in ,because most fights go to the ground,and muay thai,for efficient leg kick,because my hands are registered,so I think we'll rounded you can take alittle bit from all.And you do need to spar to actually get the feel of it.
Do you find it difficult to compartmentalized your sparring in these areas. I often find myself wanting to kick in just the boxing sparring as it is such am integral part of my game.
@@martialartsunlimited01 Yes sometimes its very hard to not kick,and go for a takedown when sparring the boxers,I've done it the first time I sparred one of them,and the gym erupted,luckily it calmed down,plus I had a few mma guys there with me,but in all reality if you ask a boxer to spar our way,with leg kicks,and grappling ,and etc,they will not do it,because they say we have to many in the arsenal,im actually sparring today,but its mma ,so kicking,and takedowns are allowed 🦾.But you are dead on,I try to take from all areas of defense,its what makes a well rounded individual, aswell as self defense,such as krav ,which some schools you have to be weary of,luckily my coach in krav was taught by Sam sadae himself.Keep up the good content,sending respects from texas.🤙🏽
One issue with Muay Thai as self defense is that there's no forgiveness. I mean, once you have committed to your strike to naturalize your opponent the fight is finished and your opponent is finished too. Maybe waaaay too finished.... meaning, you can hospitalize the person you just bashed. I'm sorry I'm not a grappler (making fun) but the BJJ guys can hold down an opponent until he cools off or til security is there to naturalize the situation. That is why I DONT NOT want to trade or strike with anyone outside of the gym. So for me, outside the gym jerks will always win the "tough guy" contest.
@ W P For very, very specific applications (such as a soldier fighting against another soldier in a war, kill or be killed, both having lost their weapons) would something like Muay Thai make sense? I can see not wanting to purposely hurt someone to the point where he'd end up in a hospital (or worse) under "normal" circumstances, but what about in situations like the soldier in combat? Not trolling, genuinely curious what you think about this.
I wish I could share this video with every martial artist that I knew in the 90's and early 00's, with some form of magical time travel powers! Mike had some extremely insightful points. Am I crazy, or did everything after 7:40 become word-salad? It's like Mike goes to make a point, dude from this channel had an A.D.D. moment, replied in a way that was inappropriate to said point(Been there done that, no shame.),and Mike just went along with it because, well wouldn't you?
I know, I wish I could go back and redirect my training in a few different areas as well as adjust my focus. As for the 740 mark, I was trying to bring something that Mike said in Charlotte that I thought was important info and wanted him to share it with everyone. Thanks for watching and for the comments.
my old man said when we were kids if you can fight in a telephone booth you can fight anywhere in stand up, nowadays when i seen it on youtube videos decades later he was completely f..king right
people that don't know how to show restraint are normally also bad at fighting, not just sparring. If you can't remove weight and power from techniques they get so much easier to dodge cos you know everything will be a power punch. Also tends to be the people that try to hulk it and run forward with their heads first so you accidently floor them.
Well put, over the year of course you tend to see it all, and this is a good point. I would add also being able to control emotions as well. Don't let anger control you, as you will as you put it hulk it and likely end up on the floor.
@@martialartsunlimited01 for sure. I spar with my wife to help her with competition. Then you really learn stop when the head is not there for it. Also a very usefull skill in arguments.
Yeah, pressure testing is always a great thing. Although definitely in a controlled environment as it seems like it never fails that when we have a pressure testing class that someone inevitably gets hurt.
I just started learning because it looked cool.... . But yes all the sparring g helps flinch less. Or overreact less. Wich is a quick way to get your ass whooped. Good video man
Alol, yup. Shots fired. Although not necessarily wrong though. I mean the iminarai roll, x guard and the likes are not really street self defense type techniques.
Situational awareness or presense of mind, quick physical reactions or reflexes, mental strength or toughness, composure or self-confidence, resourcefulness, the instinct or the will to fight back and defend yourself, knowing when to fight back or when to just run away as fast as you can, avoiding people places and situations that potentially lead to heated altercations or violent encounters, and your martial arts/fighting/self-defense skills and techniques (if you have any or some) which you have spent long periods of time practicing and training, can drastically increase your chances of successfully defending yourself and surviving potentially violent self-defense encounters. Speaking based on my personal experience as a self-defense practitioner.
Funny how you said that Hollywood sparring goes all out bare knuckle. In the "Kingdom" MMA series, if I recall correctly, buddy there breaks some guys joint deliberately. Nice club. I think there was a lot of addiction, too.
People really need to understand that sport based martial arts prepare you for fighting better than non sports based martial arts. I do something called sport aikido(tomiki aikido) I guarantee you I can manhandle the 99 percent of the non sport aikido guys no problem.
Non sport martial arts don't practice fighting so they're obviously not going to be good at it. Fighting against someone who's trying not to get thrown or punched or kicked is alot different than someone who just lets you do the technique to them over and over again. Sport martial arts purpose is to train you to take someone down. . To do that you're obviously going to be in more shape physically. The rule sets don't have to be impractical. Compare the rule sets of Muay Thai to WTF TaekwonDO. Judo has alot of rules that frankly get on my nerves. But the martial art in a competition setting is not impractical.
Well, in self defense, there is mostly defense. Any martial art will obviously be an advantage in defending yourself. Would it only be by keeping you in shape, ultimately allowing you to run away, effectively defending yourself 🙈 Beating someone up on the other hand, is another story. When you are not defending anymore but attacking, you open yourself to a clash of brutality, and many people never put boxing gloves on, but are naturally brutal and will whitstand way more damage, while dealing a lot more too. You cannot do a real fight if you cannot let the beast out. So to me it's mostly a question of what the goal is. People who seek to be teached how to win a fight may be deceived, because nobody can really teach you how to beat someone to the point he don't or can't fight with you anymore, nobody can teach you how to be wanting to hurt somebody else. You are the only one who can turn on this switch
I'm sorry to hear that, well you do have access to a lot of training just on here. Start small and get some training in. If you are able to get to a class that would be a good second step. If not keep checking for other videos and just drill the techniques as best you can.
@@martialartsunlimited01 if you're willing to really condition your hands so they are hard enough to work as weapons and you know where brachial plexus etcetc is located and you can get there with power in motion under stress then I guess it's OK
A string on the end of a bamboo stick is better than nothing if you want to catch a fish and some dudes catch lots big fish on a pole like that. Fill a whole boat in tuna fish like that.
Nothing works if you don't know how to use it properly. Imagine trying to build something using the handle of the hammer as the driver, because nobody ever taught you the proper way to swing a hammer. Now, imagine a carpenter acting like they're better than an electrician, simply because they do different jobs. These analogies relate to the "sports vs artistic" debate. Learn how to use your tools properly for a given job and don't be so much of an overconfident ass that you underestimate people who make just take a few steps back to feed you a diet of hot lead (Active Self Protection has numerous video breakdowns). If you want to know how to defend yourself, study with people who have actually done so in real life (combat veterans are generally advised, much like learning how to shoot defensively). If your goal is to be a fighter, study with the highest caliber professional you can afford. If your goal is just to study martial arts for the sake of studying martial arts, forget all of that shit and just enjoy yourself. "Yeah, but that won't help you in a fight." Neither does knowing how to paint but, a lot of people still derive enjoying from the artistic pursuit.
First of all, kick boxing and muaythai are not the same. The difference between kick boxing and muaythai is similar to difference between kick boxing and international boxing.
@@martialartsunlimited01 Kicking in street fights is very dangerous. Especially when you are wearing wrong clothes like tight jeans or bad shoes. On top of that it is very risky to execute a kick on a slippery ground. If you dont want to loose your balance in a street fight, you have to fight with your hands.
well, really, it depends but for the most part, the hands are better even though you won’t generate as much power but hey who’s to say you can’t land knock out blow Can’t say much though since I do KYOKISHIN karate and BJJ…
1000% false, if you actually know how and here to throw a kick, like a low kick to the thigh or calf on a guy that doesn’t expect it can put them down, all it takes is one to land and it can end the the fight very quickly
I'd say enter in a few point kickboxing matches, that way you can experience getting hit in a safe manner yet still is realistic and practical training.
@@martialartsunlimited01 martial arts that incorporate to many unnecessary movements like they are doing a whole choreograped interpretive dance just to take out their opponent..all that flashy flappy bird flail arm movement is not necessary and just takes to long..
@@martialartsunlimited01 shit that on average if u go to a school teaching it it's majority skinny little bitches or obese dudes and nerds with no social skills...that's bullshido, an art that became so watered down and who's training method became so soft (like how u said u don't spar back then) that it's effectiveness becomes less than ideal ON AVERAGE...for example TKD done right is very tricky to deal with....but most of the people u see at TKD schools are fucking teachers and office workers with no connection to reality
@@yendysmarsh So, your problem is with the way it tends to be taught not the art itself. This is like saying that pro wrestling is fake, instead of properly calling it controlled.
@@ScottGarrettDrums bro pro wrestling is fake, WTF are you talking about and yeah it is about how it's taught, if you don't pressure test something HTF are you going to know how effective it is..your opponent isn't irl going to just stand there and wait till you finish your ballet demonstration, or fall without trying to resist, or throw a punch or kick slow enough as if he's wanting you to grab and throw...also you can't be real right? Pro wrestling is Hella fake, no real punches, kicks are thrown submissions are fake AF, ring floor is padded more then a real ring and springed..it doesn't absorb all the impact but still alot less painful then without, like come on man pro wrestling is an entertainment business and you might as well say it's wrestlers are professional stuntman and woman 🤦
I've been practicing martial arts for decades. I tell my students to spend 80% of your practice time training and perfecting the techniques you will use 80% of the time in 80% of the self defense situations you may be in. Typically that means core fundamentals like basic punches and basic kicks. After 3-5 years or more if you want to add fancy spinning kicks, sure but master the core skill set first. I say that here because no matter what striking art you train in, 3 basic hand strikes, 3 basic kicks, plus knees and elbows is nearly universal. The other interesting thing is, usually those techniques are taught in the first 2-3 weeks of signing up for classes. Don't wait to learn "advanced" moves or "secret" techniques, the secret is practice the basics everything else is build around them.
That is so true, even the same for grappling. The basics are so important. All the fancy stuff comes from the basic techniques
Your not wrong, before you build the house, you build the foundation.
Beautifully said!
Best thing about a ”sport with big pillows in your hands” is that even if you are really really good at it, you don’t think you’re that good at it. Ok, maybe if you’re a contender against Canello, but what easily happens with too much ”realness” where you never actually test anything is that you start to think you’re a badass and could easily take anybody with whatever leathal kravkido you do. If tou actually spar even semi-seriously you know that somebody who has 10 kilos on you and can throw a straight can be a serious problem ”for real”. ”Sporty play fighting with pillows” makes you afraid or at least cautious of real fighting, as you should be.
Yeah the bigger gloves can give you a false sense of security. I feel the same way with kids wearing those chest protectors for sparring. If a kid is scared we will do it, with every intent of stop using it as soon as possible.
Yet I also feel the same with grappling arts too. Striking can really change the way you grapple.
I personally do both. I started a self defense class but also do kickboxing so I can kick and throw punches better as well as train my awareness.
@@martialartsunlimited01 We fight kids with chest protectors and no head contact.
Just watched a few videos on old-school British gangsters, bouncers, and "hard men" from the late seventies and early eighties - like almost every single time they talked about a notorious street brawler and crazy mofo, the first words out of their mouths were: "Yeah, he was a very talented amateur boxer" or "There wasn't much money in sanctioned fights, so he fought bare-knuckle in underground matches."
It's almost as if knowing how to punch hard as fuck, line fuckers up for a good shot, move out of the way of someone else's punches, and take a few hits without crumbling is actually good for defeating attackers. Who knew.
Yup, how to basically hit and not get hit. Or at least not get hit in a critical spot
I have only been going to my local Kick Boxing class for about 6 months or so. To be honest I have always wanted to try a martial art, when I was younger it was Karate. At the point where I decided to go for it I was in a real dark place mentally, as in really dark.... I reached out to a few friends who have trained various martial arts for some time and they said to just go and try it out. So I did. Beyond the physical exertion and obvious health benefits there, it has helped to keep me away from that 'dark place' and metaphorically defeat some bad ass demons. 🙏
That's great to here, keep it up. Yeah martial arts has been there my entire life to help me through those dark times too.
I still don't know what this irimi nage business is about. I taught that in a video?! I don't remember.
Irimi nage is basically the close line technique that Steven Seagal always uses in his movies.
Aikido is just very, very, _very_ abstracted wrestling. Like irimi means ”entering” or step in or along those lines, nage means a throw. The beginner version is the ”clothline”, where you do a hip throw while controlling the head from jaw line (the WWF clothline is incorrect way to do it), but really you can take a back guillotine or whatever from it. Irimi is basically the same what any wrestler in any style of wrestling does constantly, at least after you remove the woo and the doo of the modern aikido.
@@martialartsunlimited01 i know what it is... i just don't recall ever doing it or teaching it lol
@@hard2hurt I am sorry - but now this dont matter no more 😁😁
By the unspoken rules of the internet and informal TH-cam Gossiping rumor spreading - YOU Icy Mike - have now *taught* Iriminage in a video, next day on a seminar and give or take 10 days - you will have used it against a charging group of 4 Attackers and 3 Mordor Orcs, armed with machetes.
Just be ready for the " I thought you dont teach Aikido???" "i thought Aikido sucks??? "why do you teach Aikido now???" "If Aikido doesnt work - why did you use it in a streetfight, while outnumbered?????" comments😁😁
Icy mike and his childlike energy! Haha. I’m here for it.
the best self-defense is good boxing ability with a little bit of grappling knowledge and I say this as a semi-pro boxer who worked as a bodyguard at clubs for a year
ofc if you could defuse situation by chat - do this instead of fighting
Have you seen the verbal Jiu-Jitsu video from CSW? It is a great explanation and example of what you are saying.
I often heard that. Why would you leave out the kicking? I feel like its pretty strong for self defense
@@scharfzahn1005 I mean, I say it based on my own experience - I trained boxing from the age of 8, I started training BJJ when I was 16, but stopped after 6 months. Kicking isn't just something that I naturally do, and I think in my case it's better not to kick at all than to kick incorrectly.
I'm a typical striker and I think many other boxers especially peekaboo guys (like me) - feel fairly confident with their skills in typical street fights without knifes etc.
I'd say judo and kickboxing would be fine, if the kickboxing allows kicks below the waist.
All you need for self-defense is situational awareness!
Alol, yeah just like Jason Bourne
You weren't supposed to do that .....
And the ability to duck, slip and grapple
@@dejohnnelacy254 knowing a bit of everything is super important for Self-Defense
Ok.... surely this is a joke and you saw Mike's video
Elbows, knees, and the clinchwork involving them along with being comfortable defending against strikes are excellent aspects of kickboxing (particularly Muay Thai) for self-defense. Combine that with judo training and you won't be someone to mess with.
I agree, blending a solid striking background with some wrestling aka grappling and that should suffice for 90% of the average opponent.
No elbows in kickboxing
@@unknown69801there is
@@unknown69801 who cares
I really love these videos where you martial art coaches get together and have discussions.
Thanks, did yoy get to see the ones about kata, belts, and most recently bullshido?
@@martialartsunlimited01 I saw the bullshido video, which was a great video. I'll look up the other two.
great points. I think the best is to understand that self defense and combat sports are two diferent things, but not so far away as RBSD practitioners/gurus think and not exactly the same as the sportman's tend to think also. In my not so long experience teaching KM, we had more injuries caused by people who trained before in traditional martial arts o other selfdefense system than the ones who came from combat sports.
Interesting, I've only known a couple Krav Maga instructors. Yes, definitely need to understand that martial arts and sf defense are not the same thing. Even in BJJ I make sure I tell people that say they want it for SD, I explain where in certain situations how I would approach from a BJJ vs SD standpoint.
Done Kickboxing for years.Definitely one of the most credible arts out there. Done Krav for two years as well. I rate both tbh. Just drill the basics on my own now to keep sharp!
Sounds good, I haven't trained in KM myself. What do you like better from KM over KBX and vice versa?
@@martialartsunlimited01 I done Kickboxing for so much longer so have more of an infinity for it. The basics from both are very useful! But like in any system there are many flaws. The fancier stuff doesn't work in real world situations for the most part. But, the fundamentals are solid in both! I am tempted to go and learn Muay Thai tbh.
@@ninjasrose1653 does kickboxing work in a street fight
@@truthhurts6327 It's very situational tbh. Depends on so much. But, I'd say its better to have in the arsenal than not. Started Muay Thai last month. And if your ere toying with doing something. Do Muay Thai. Much better in a street situation as you have short range weapons like knees and Elbows. Plus the clinch. I did cover those in Kickboxing. But, Muay Thai focuses on it and destructive power.
@@ninjasrose1653 thanks 🥊💯
for us, those kicks are a jump 360 degree sidekick and a butterfly kick.
some great points in this video: There is great value in getting reps for learning the range and learning control as well. Couple it with getting full force pad and bag drill to develop power. This way you can choose how much power is needed for the situation. I like to use the "drunk friend" scenario, not every altercation requires a full force response. Great stuff!
Yes these are some good points, and now we know @hard2hurt is nervous about ninjas. I know what to start training next.
I got into boxing primarily so my training team and I could practice self defense wrestling against strikes. Turns out Icy Mike is right, its a ton of fun.
Very cool, having a good group of people to work with is the best.
I was training kung-fu for 5 years and I quit to learn some kick-boxing because with time I got frustrated how little (or no at all) kung-fu focused on techniques that are actually useful and how little time is devoted to making actual punches and kicks against a moving opponent. Now I would say that it is best to start with basic skills (punches, kicks, dodges, distance) and only being already good at it go waste some time with learning some katas etc. Otherwise after 20 years of karate, kung-fu or whatever one may discover that they have close to no idea about how to actually fight against aggresive opponent.
Now I understand why Bruce Lee was not happy with how traditional martial arts perform in real environment and why he wanted to strip kung fu of all the impracticalities, creating his own Jeet Kune Do. Traditional arts are great for people with a lot of free time (like shaolin monks) but we people in the west don't have a luxury to train complex forms for a few hours each day. And this is neccesary to achieve any sort of meaningful results. It's far more practical to build a small house completely than to start building a great mansion but never finish it.
Icy Mike teaching irimi nage?? Haha strange, didn't he say aikido is totally useless? Also I think ninjutsu has a lot of nasty techniques, but one should know how to strike and grapple before learning it. That "ninjutsu irimi nage" application was an excellent demonstration of the "hidden" atemi there is to be find in almost every technique. Headbutts and elbow strikes are very accessible in the locking techniques.
I thought you were going to sparr icy mike with aikido when I first saw the thumbnail
This one was filmed back in March. Still working to refresh my randori and I will ask him again in the near future to do the aikido vs Kickboxing video. Thanks for watching and for commenting
@@martialartsunlimited01 awesome, is Eli Knight in your area, I think he could be a great resource for feedback and research on which aikido techniques to set up from clinch.
Also one recommendation I hope you will do, could you record the aikido strategy and techniques you will use against Icy Mike, I.e the prepping and game plan before the "fight" and then release them after the "fight"? I think that would be a great mini series and beneficial for aikidokas to watch.
I'm staying tuned in JD
I think this is a good video. I also think that kick boxing and muay thai are underestimated as a street fighting scenario. because as you said when practicing it you learn about range and positioning but also you learn how to deliver a hit correctly with maximum transfer of power.
but I want to refer to one of your previous videos. you were talking about orthodox vs southpaw and you said that while fighting opponent in opposite stands that its not a good idea to kick to the iside of the leg even if it does lots of damage because someone can simply move their knee to the inside and lift it to block your kick. but what i don't understand is if my opponent is doing it what is stopping me from kicking his other leg right out from under him as he lifts his leg?
I'm thinking you are referring to one of Mike's other videos? I will need to rewatch it to give my input. I'm not sure if Mike will see this to comment.
I feel like a big advantage of training I never see talked about is all the observational experience. You get to know what a newbie mistake is, what the rookie looks like and most importantly TENDS TO DO.
You can reasonably predict some untrained guy based on the large body movements and yada yada because of all that sparring (if you see lots of variety and skill levels like you should be).
I belive the sports side of martial arts help with your confidence to move forward to attack the opponent and not worry about being hit because when you do get hit you learn to take it on the chin it definitely toughens you up not all of your attackers punches are going to hit you so if you can take one or two punches or kicks on the way forward you can block parrie or evade the rest as you close the range when your sparring in kickboxing you get used to this type of give and take training it physically and mentally prepares you for what's to come.
Getting hit and getting used to it is what did it for me. Our kickboxing coach is an absolute beast and after i got used to him hitting me in "hardening sessions" as he called them, im not worried at all at whats coming at me from people who dont know how to strike. Been doing sparring with alot of people since then and its so much easier since most strikes to the body dont hurt anymore.
Yeah that getting hit part is super important as you cannot really explain to someone what it's like to get hit. It's something you just have to experience. We did a lot of that with my first karate school. Although the instructor was a PKC fighter, so that might have been why he did that. As I do not recall any other instructor doing it.
you'll have to excuse Mike,,, deep down,,, ok not that deep just a scratch below the surface, he's a bit of a juvenile kid... and we love him for it. Nice work love the content. So true that light sparring can be so important just for range and seeing the movement.
Aren't we all. I mean monster trucks, construction vehicles and all the likes. We collect pops, comics, action figures, swords, guns, knives, video consoles or games. Yeah I think most of us are just big kids. I mean I know that's why I like teaching.
Omm dats wat I told my boxing instructor when I first started he asked the reason I wanted to learn boxing for self defense n I said I just wana learn take a punch and throw one continuously
So you are taking the Forrest Griffin approach to fighting. There's nothing wrong with that.
@@martialartsunlimited01 IDK d way u say it makes me think otherwise lol
I like to be fundamentally grounded all the way around,so I train boxing,muay thai,and grappling,I also do krav and eskirma,just because of the weapons,and learning how to be agile against weapons.I spar boxers ,where you can't use legs,or takedowns,their head movements,and footwork are very efficient, I do jiu jitsu which I'm a blue belt in ,because most fights go to the ground,and muay thai,for efficient leg kick,because my hands are registered,so I think we'll rounded you can take alittle bit from all.And you do need to spar to actually get the feel of it.
Do you find it difficult to compartmentalized your sparring in these areas. I often find myself wanting to kick in just the boxing sparring as it is such am integral part of my game.
@@martialartsunlimited01 Yes sometimes its very hard to not kick,and go for a takedown when sparring the boxers,I've done it the first time I sparred one of them,and the gym erupted,luckily it calmed down,plus I had a few mma guys there with me,but in all reality if you ask a boxer to spar our way,with leg kicks,and grappling ,and etc,they will not do it,because they say we have to many in the arsenal,im actually sparring today,but its mma ,so kicking,and takedowns are allowed 🦾.But you are dead on,I try to take from all areas of defense,its what makes a well rounded individual, aswell as self defense,such as krav ,which some schools you have to be weary of,luckily my coach in krav was taught by Sam sadae himself.Keep up the good content,sending respects from texas.🤙🏽
@@K2kTravyyour life must be busy
One issue with Muay Thai as self defense is that there's no forgiveness. I mean, once you have committed to your strike to naturalize your opponent the fight is finished and your opponent is finished too. Maybe waaaay too finished.... meaning, you can hospitalize the person you just bashed. I'm sorry I'm not a grappler (making fun) but the BJJ guys can hold down an opponent until he cools off or til security is there to naturalize the situation. That is why I DONT NOT want to trade or strike with anyone outside of the gym. So for me, outside the gym jerks will always win the "tough guy" contest.
Interesting thought. I don't think people think about that very much. It reminds me of the first episode of enter the dojo.
@ W P For very, very specific applications (such as a soldier fighting against another soldier in a war, kill or be killed, both having lost their weapons) would something like Muay Thai make sense?
I can see not wanting to purposely hurt someone to the point where he'd end up in a hospital (or worse) under "normal" circumstances, but what about in situations like the soldier in combat?
Not trolling, genuinely curious what you think about this.
I wish I could share this video with every martial artist that I knew in the 90's and early 00's, with some form of magical time travel powers! Mike had some extremely insightful points.
Am I crazy, or did everything after 7:40 become word-salad? It's like Mike goes to make a point, dude from this channel had an A.D.D. moment, replied in a way that was inappropriate to said point(Been there done that, no shame.),and Mike just went along with it because, well wouldn't you?
I know, I wish I could go back and redirect my training in a few different areas as well as adjust my focus.
As for the 740 mark, I was trying to bring something that Mike said in Charlotte that I thought was important info and wanted him to share it with everyone.
Thanks for watching and for the comments.
Thank you for posting this info i
Have been trying kick boxing for 3 months
Glad you liked it. So what do you think of Kickboxing. Why did you decide to do that style in particular?
my old man said when we were kids if you can fight in a telephone booth you can fight anywhere in stand up, nowadays when i seen it on youtube videos decades later he was completely f..king right
Mike looking at the back panels of the room waiting for the ninjas to burst out. Nice. Hahahaha.
Alol, that was pretty funny.
Any combat sport that has live rounds can help, just need training in grappling and striking then you should be sweet in most situations
people that don't know how to show restraint are normally also bad at fighting, not just sparring. If you can't remove weight and power from techniques they get so much easier to dodge cos you know everything will be a power punch. Also tends to be the people that try to hulk it and run forward with their heads first so you accidently floor them.
Well put, over the year of course you tend to see it all, and this is a good point. I would add also being able to control emotions as well. Don't let anger control you, as you will as you put it hulk it and likely end up on the floor.
@@martialartsunlimited01 for sure. I spar with my wife to help her with competition. Then you really learn stop when the head is not there for it. Also a very usefull skill in arguments.
Any combat sport that you practice and pressure test is good for selfdefense as long as you have situational awareness! Lol!
Yeah, pressure testing is always a great thing. Although definitely in a controlled environment as it seems like it never fails that when we have a pressure testing class that someone inevitably gets hurt.
I just started learning because it looked cool.... . But yes all the sparring g helps flinch less. Or overreact less. Wich is a quick way to get your ass whooped. Good video man
Thanks and yeah I think it is really cool. Also I feel that the sparring is the best part.
After bluebelt, you're just learning how to to fight other bbj practitioners.
So controversial yet so brave.
Alol, yup. Shots fired. Although not necessarily wrong though. I mean the iminarai roll, x guard and the likes are not really street self defense type techniques.
@@martialartsunlimited01 I love it though. If we going to speak facts, we got to shoot straight everyday
Situational awareness or presense of mind, quick physical reactions or reflexes, mental strength or toughness, composure or self-confidence, resourcefulness, the instinct or the will to fight back and defend yourself, knowing when to fight back or when to just run away as fast as you can, avoiding people places and situations that potentially lead to heated altercations or violent encounters, and your martial arts/fighting/self-defense skills and techniques (if you have any or some) which you have spent long periods of time practicing and training, can drastically increase your chances of successfully defending yourself and surviving potentially violent self-defense encounters. Speaking based on my personal experience as a self-defense practitioner.
I like the comment, I am curious as to what a self defense practitioner is? Is that the program you are referring to or something else.
Funny how you said that Hollywood sparring goes all out bare knuckle. In the "Kingdom" MMA series, if I recall correctly, buddy there breaks some guys joint deliberately. Nice club. I think there was a lot of addiction, too.
I've only seen the first few episodes of the series. Yet any one from any style can be aggressive and take things to far in my opinion.
It’s better than no defense…
I agree 100%
haha.... @hard2hurt likes aikido, and didn't even know it!!
I know, super cool. Everyone's doing aikido
1:58 you say 2 years of striking training is enough, but how many times a week is that in classes?
I can't speak for Mike, but is would say at the minimum of twice per week. Probably more like 3 though.
You didnt have to interrupt him like that Mike
Thanks, he's such a Bully. Still really glad to have met him and have the opportunity to do a few videos with him.
kickboxing for a while, and then boxing. could it be a good idea??
Reverse, first boxing, then kickboxing
Any contact fight teaches you to defend yorself.
Yes and no. Of course each will have its strengths, yet there always needs to be some kind of cross training. At least that's what I believe
Dude I used spinning wheel kicks in fights.
That's cool
People really need to understand that sport based martial arts prepare you for fighting better than non sports based martial arts. I do something called sport aikido(tomiki aikido) I guarantee you I can manhandle the 99 percent of the non sport aikido guys no problem.
Why do you feel the non sports martial arts are lacking? When most sports based ones either have rule sets that are impractical or wash out the art.
@@martialartsunlimited01 are you serious? icy mike already went over the areas I would cover. I could indulge you if you really want to though.
Non sport martial arts don't practice fighting so they're obviously not going to be good at it. Fighting against someone who's trying not to get thrown or punched or kicked is alot different than someone who just lets you do the technique to them over and over again. Sport martial arts purpose is to train you to take someone down. . To do that you're obviously going to be in more shape physically. The rule sets don't have to be impractical. Compare the rule sets of Muay Thai to WTF TaekwonDO. Judo has alot of rules that frankly get on my nerves. But the martial art in a competition setting is not impractical.
AVENGE NINJA RON!!! AIKIDO HIS ASS!!! PROVE THE INTERNET WRONG!!!
I need to do more randori to become an avenger. I will be working on it though.
Wasn't it "Iron" Mike Tyson that once said "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face" and he got punched plenty of times.
I know several people have said something about the same. I think Royce Gracie said it in an early UFC.
Well, in self defense, there is mostly defense. Any martial art will obviously be an advantage in defending yourself. Would it only be by keeping you in shape, ultimately allowing you to run away, effectively defending yourself 🙈
Beating someone up on the other hand, is another story. When you are not defending anymore but attacking, you open yourself to a clash of brutality, and many people never put boxing gloves on, but are naturally brutal and will whitstand way more damage, while dealing a lot more too. You cannot do a real fight if you cannot let the beast out.
So to me it's mostly a question of what the goal is. People who seek to be teached how to win a fight may be deceived, because nobody can really teach you how to beat someone to the point he don't or can't fight with you anymore, nobody can teach you how to be wanting to hurt somebody else. You are the only one who can turn on this switch
It’s time to ask yourself, which kick looks more like a tornado?
I think they both have merit to be the tornado kick
Check out some How to throw a tornado kick. One has a lot more merit than the other.
I would like to learn kick boxing to protect myself from bad people, in my country rapist are always on the news
I'm sorry to hear that, well you do have access to a lot of training just on here. Start small and get some training in. If you are able to get to a class that would be a good second step. If not keep checking for other videos and just drill the techniques as best you can.
#1 rule is don't hurt your partner.
I like that rule.
What is good for self defense is everything that is not allowed in MMA.
Fair point. What is your take on pressure points or pressure point training?
@@martialartsunlimited01 if you're willing to really condition your hands so they are hard enough to work as weapons and you know where brachial plexus etcetc is located and you can get there with power in motion under stress then I guess it's OK
I'm learning to kickbox to defend myself. So thank you.
A string on the end of a bamboo stick is better than nothing if you want to catch a fish and some dudes catch lots big fish on a pole like that.
Fill a whole boat in tuna fish like that.
Interesting way of putting it. Thanks for the watch and for the comment.
2:53 Why would you do that😂😂😂
Nothing works if you don't know how to use it properly. Imagine trying to build something using the handle of the hammer as the driver, because nobody ever taught you the proper way to swing a hammer. Now, imagine a carpenter acting like they're better than an electrician, simply because they do different jobs. These analogies relate to the "sports vs artistic" debate. Learn how to use your tools properly for a given job and don't be so much of an overconfident ass that you underestimate people who make just take a few steps back to feed you a diet of hot lead (Active Self Protection has numerous video breakdowns). If you want to know how to defend yourself, study with people who have actually done so in real life (combat veterans are generally advised, much like learning how to shoot defensively). If your goal is to be a fighter, study with the highest caliber professional you can afford. If your goal is just to study martial arts for the sake of studying martial arts, forget all of that shit and just enjoy yourself. "Yeah, but that won't help you in a fight." Neither does knowing how to paint but, a lot of people still derive enjoying from the artistic pursuit.
I like it, well said. I am making the same argument for an upcoming video.
Why you putted young Putin in the thumbnail?
We got to put em somewhere.
I think kickboxing, boxing, judo, jujitsu, and wrestling are the best for self defense. Maybe tkd, but I won't trust it ....
I think tkd had merit if you know to keep the kicks low. I've met some really good tkd people over the years.
First of all, kick boxing and muaythai are not the same. The difference between kick boxing and muaythai is similar to difference between kick boxing and international boxing.
If I do six months of boxing, will I be able to defend myself on the streets?
1:30
I see you 1:30 and raise you a 3:09. What do you call that kick?
@@martialartsunlimited01 im sorry what lol. Thats where I left off in the video 😂
@@jp7879 alol, oh ok. I didn't know and just wanted to at least reply with something
@@martialartsunlimited01 haha thanks anyway
😂😂😂 Icy Mike
Ima just get a gun.
I still think there needs to be a hand to hand option and maybe a non lethal option as well.
I hate when people say this, because what if you’re somehow disarmed? don’t say that’s impossible because it can happen.
i’m just saying, a gun isn’t the answer to all situations. Plus you’re probably gonna get yourself involved in some sort of legal trouble.
Mike interrupted your story and i wanted to hear the end =(
I'll finish it in another video
Boxing is way more usefull for self defence than kickboxing.
Why do you think that? The legs are roughly 3x the size of our arms, plus longer reach.
@@martialartsunlimited01 Kicking in street fights is very dangerous. Especially when you are wearing wrong clothes like tight jeans or bad shoes. On top of that it is very risky to execute a kick on a slippery ground. If you dont want to loose your balance in a street fight, you have to fight with your hands.
well, really, it depends but for the most part, the hands are better even though you won’t generate as much power but hey who’s to say you can’t land knock out blow
Can’t say much though since I do KYOKISHIN karate and BJJ…
It's better than nothing but kicks are worthless for self defense.
Really, why do you say that?
1000% false, if you actually know how and here to throw a kick, like a low kick to the thigh or calf on a guy that doesn’t expect it can put them down, all it takes is one to land and it can end the the fight very quickly
I need to get hit. I haven't experienced it enough
I'd say enter in a few point kickboxing matches, that way you can experience getting hit in a safe manner yet still is realistic and practical training.
If you don't have a training partner you have nothing
A good training partner is a great tool and being a good partner is also very important.
I'm amazed at how well Icy Mike held it together when this guy mentioned Ninjitsu and Aikido, the 2 biggest Bullshido there is..
So what is your definition of bullshido?
@@martialartsunlimited01 martial arts that incorporate to many unnecessary movements like they are doing a whole choreograped interpretive dance just to take out their opponent..all that flashy flappy bird flail arm movement is not necessary and just takes to long..
@@martialartsunlimited01 shit that on average if u go to a school teaching it it's majority skinny little bitches or obese dudes and nerds with no social skills...that's bullshido, an art that became so watered down and who's training method became so soft (like how u said u don't spar back then) that it's effectiveness becomes less than ideal ON AVERAGE...for example TKD done right is very tricky to deal with....but most of the people u see at TKD schools are fucking teachers and office workers with no connection to reality
@@yendysmarsh So, your problem is with the way it tends to be taught not the art itself. This is like saying that pro wrestling is fake, instead of properly calling it controlled.
@@ScottGarrettDrums bro pro wrestling is fake, WTF are you talking about and yeah it is about how it's taught, if you don't pressure test something HTF are you going to know how effective it is..your opponent isn't irl going to just stand there and wait till you finish your ballet demonstration, or fall without trying to resist, or throw a punch or kick slow enough as if he's wanting you to grab and throw...also you can't be real right? Pro wrestling is Hella fake, no real punches, kicks are thrown submissions are fake AF, ring floor is padded more then a real ring and springed..it doesn't absorb all the impact but still alot less painful then without, like come on man pro wrestling is an entertainment business and you might as well say it's wrestlers are professional stuntman and woman 🤦
That dude looks like Putin
I have heard that before. I'm pretty sure he stole his look from me though.