The amount of time and effort going into making one of these videos deserves nothing but the highest of praise. Thank you, a most enjoyable 8.20 minutes.
Your dedication to use those old cameras in you and your dad´s collection is marvelous. The fact that your lady seems totally driven by the same desire is just fantastic. I really look forward to the content you put up here...a BIG thank you.
Your welcome 🙏🏻 , Jamie has been doing a lot of the research into the cameras to help, she met my father about a year before he died. And likes the cameras so win, win.
Shooting this kind of cameras is a unique experience. I learned the basics of film photography with Kodak folding pocket brownie's from 1910-1920's, it's not easy to get used to thes viewfinders! Now I always take with me my Super Ikonta's from the 1930's.
This was just wonderful, we loved the opening advert section and the way you found out what settings the camera was on . Then the photographs you captured were really interesting they really did transport us all back in time . I am amazed you do not have many more followers . Thanks for sharing and we look forward to seeing what camera you use next . Take care :D Teddy
@@olitography Okay so I'm looking at the camera now and it says Kodak No.1 Pocket Folding Camera Patent April 21, 1908 - August 31, 1909. The bellows are not the same color as your's in the video. It's a dark brown color, but the exact same lens and view finder. Mine is the Model D, correct?
@@olitography The lens is identical to the one you're using in the video. Everything is identical except the color of the bellows, which as I said is dark brown in color.
I own two Number 1A and 2 number 3A, and use 120 or 35mm film with adapters, but no gates because I like the results. On the film slack I read that the slack is caused by the closing of the camera as the bellows compress it air to push on the film creating slack. Solution is to take up the slack every time you open the camera
I didn't close it between rolls and wound the slack out, I put it down to early tech, the Brownie has those massive corners which create tension, but most cameras have some kind of tensioner, I wondered if I got the film loaded right.
at first i couldn't quite believe the high quality of the images for a 110yr old camera, it actually didn't look any different from those 90s kodak disposables. you would think you were being lied to, that 110yr old camera couldn't take such good quality images. but we forget to realize the original users 110yrs ago were getting the exact same results because the photos were brand new at the time they were photographed. the old grainy and washed out and aged look we're so often used to seeing from 'olden time' photos in modern times, is just because of that, they've all been aged over 110yrs and things will break down and deteriorate over such a long span of time. so the next time you see an 'olden time' photo, remember the original looked much better when originally taken.
@@thechickenrebellion From a collection my father and I acquired, I made a video about it, I think its called returning vintage cameras in 2020, wait I can link it th-cam.com/video/4f_Os31CKQM/w-d-xo.html
Amazing photos from the Kodak. Modern photographers are trying to recreate that look with old lenses and digital cameras. I own a restored Ansco Viking from the 50’s and I love the images. Great job.
1:16 There are actually may ways of calculating the value of $12 from 1910 in today's money depending of what one uses to inflate it to today's money. I say the camera cost something like $900 in today's money. Here is the price of the camera today if it's price was calculated relative to the following things: Average Wage: $910 Gold Price: $1,048 Silver Price: $550 Loaf of Bread: $600 Home Price: $1,520 Oil Price: $1,044 Big Mac Index: $1,008 College Tuition: $2,160 Medical Cost: $2,580 Movie Ticket: $2,400 Car Price: $1,200. Energy Price: $1,080 Minimum Wage: $960 Public Transit Fare: $600 Clothing Cost: $720 Furniture Cost: $1,200
Blue moon camera sells 400 iso 116 film, its a great film, as i have used it in my Kodak No.1A Autographic Jr. Model A. Some of my best images were from that roll.
Delightful video - thank you! Did anybody else notice the gaffe at 1:00? The late 1900s were a gilded era . . . Ah yes, the 1980s when my two daughters were born! ;o) I've a 1931 Zeiss Ikon 520/15 meant to shoot 116 film and I got around the problem by using shortened plastic Rawleplugs snugged into the 120 spool ends. To solve the problem of tension I made the gate mask with ears on either side which extend about 2cm, tucked these under the film rollers and it seems to work well enough. Fortunately the 91 year old shutter has proper speed and aperture settings so not so much work as your Kodak. Amazing lens though. Good to see Reculver Towers in the distance. On to the next video!
These cameras deserve the test of time. some kodak autographic cameras has bellows of low quality faux leather, and pinholes starts ro appear. Still workable but may need new bellows or pinhole patching.
Good video. I've recently bought a Kodak 3A Folding Brownie to hopefully shoot panoramic 120 film with. I want to make a mask out of card at the back like you did, but I'm concerned it could scratch the film as it passes over the internal edges of the mask. Did you see any scratching issues, or do anything to prevent this?
You can still source 116 format film from a few camera shops, most sell film that is custom rolled by Film For Classics. Those shops are Central Camera in Chicago, Blue Moon Camera in Oregon and The Film Photography Project in Ohio.
Let me say from the outset Ol I love watching all your experiments and musings. Can I ask how (what was the formula used) you determined the shutter speeds from ocilloscope reading? I'm thinking of a science project for basic use of an oscilloscope for high school students.
we used the ir bulb and receiver from a old tv or VHS player, Wired into a scope, the transmitter in the back of the camera and the sensor on the other side of lens. I then would cycle the shutter, this gave us a step on the screen with each grid square accounting for x number of m/s, (you just scale it on the scope to suit) it’s not repeatable fast enough to give a constant reading, so we filmed it and took a freeze frame of the footage you can then use the grid scale to work out how long the shutter let the light in. There was no formula, just a chart found via google , otherwise you can work out x m/s as a 1000th of a second.. ie 1 m/s 1000th 2 m/s 500th and 1/250th 4 m/s and so on The chart is useful because it notes the tolerances www.flutotscamerarepair.com/Shutterspeed.htm You can also do this using a microphone but the older cameras move in one sweep rather than 2
Thank you for this informative video. I have a few old Kodak's that I shoot with, but many of the ones in my collection do not take 120 film. I will look into getting adaptors for my film spools, like you suggested. Take care. :)
Might be just me, but the old potato colour looks way more natural than the modern stuff..?? And i would be seriously happy with those old images.. btw, the original model was lovely. The current model was nice too. Umm, could someone make up some of the potato starch film to try..??
I have the no 1 version, that will take regular 120 film. The original red bellows is still in good shape. It was purchased new by my great grandfather about 1909
Interesting video, thank you for sharing your endeavors. You didn't mention how did you overcame the focus shifting with the mask you made. I made one mask to 129 to 127 rollfilm and to adress the light leaks from the film gap, but it became out of focus. Cheers
@@olitography Yes of course. But when you put a mask to make the film gate smaller, you must put it over the existing gate. The mask must have same rigidity, what makes it at list 0,5mm thick, that’s why it shifts the focus distance. I don’t have a 3D printer; I make it out of cardboard. I use the hyperfocal distance to archive the focus, but knowing it is not in a proper focus distance. Great videos you make mate, love it.
@@rolandofuret2658 slack in the film accounts for a greater margin of error than 0.5mm, acceptable focus requires way more movement than that, your images were not out of focus for this reason. My money is on the lens being in the wrong place at the other end of the bellows.
Can you remember what setting you used as in 1,2,3,4 f stop and if you used instant shutter or time?? I have one and just trying to get as close as possible. Film is not super cheap and neither is developing. Thanks again for the awesome video!
I think there is a bit in that video if not it’s the camera with the red bellows video, we’re we measured the shutter speeds on a scope. So they should be in there. What the iris settings are, are in there as well. Don’t use time that’s like bulb. The third thing you can do is use ND filters for more control. Though I’m in the Uk so there is rarely enough light. It’s worth doing the obvious lens cleans and bellows check. Aside from that film as a good amount of latitude and you might be surprised by what you get back.
I found the channel now and I'm loving it 😍😍😍😍 What do you mean you don't have multiple subscribers and views? You deserve Hugs from Brazil PS Google Translation 😉🙏
I like what you do and I collect cameras of all ilks, in fact I got to you by trying to find a book or reference on Half plate cameras, as I’ve just purchased one, a Triple Victo by Houghton I would suggest that you look at Martin Henson from up North a really knowledgeable guy who even does plate exposures, and develops, nice guy logical, no frills. There is also a guy on the Isle of Wight and weirdly they have become chums via the TH-cam and photography etc his channel shoot film like a Boss, is also about film and old cameras, plus developing, both of them do some very nice work, I do like the old look and the one with model next to the old boat !DG
Friend I would like to take a photo withouy using film , here in Mexico is a little difficult to get some films cause I cant find it They are a little expensive and I was wondering if there is a way to take a photo without using a film with a camera ?
I wonder if you can use these to shoot Instax? Load a photo into the camera in the dark then take a photo like normal, remove in the dark and put inside a instax cartridge and shoot threw a instax camera so you can get a chemical spread.
The amount of time and effort going into making one of these videos deserves nothing but the highest of praise. Thank you, a most enjoyable 8.20 minutes.
Wow, thank you!
Your dedication to use those old cameras in you and your dad´s collection is marvelous. The fact that your lady seems totally driven by the same desire is just fantastic. I really look forward to the content you put up here...a BIG thank you.
Your welcome 🙏🏻 , Jamie has been doing a lot of the research into the cameras to help, she met my father about a year before he died. And likes the cameras so win, win.
I can only agree with Tom Morgan. Well done, you are like a good wine getting better with age.
Ill be 39 in two weeks, lets hope your right.
olitography 39, wish I was that young again: I’m heading for 70 and don’t feel a day over 90
Shooting this kind of cameras is a unique experience. I learned the basics of film photography with Kodak folding pocket brownie's from 1910-1920's, it's not easy to get used to thes viewfinders! Now I always take with me my Super Ikonta's from the 1930's.
I did a video on the Super Ikonta, i loved it, by far the best camera or lens in this series
My brother had a b and white . dark room. With enlarger, 3 chemicals and sink and dryer.i wish I still had it all
I like the f-stop calibration that you demonstrated.
thks very much for your introduction, and the photos are realistic.
Simply superb! Shared with everyone I know!
Amazing, thank you
Seriously this channel deserves 100 times more subs
Youre dedication is admirable, thanks for sharing with us
wow ! thanks , very informative and beautiful!
Glad you liked it!
Incredible work and results! Thanks for making this so we could follow along with you.
Amazing effort, well done.
Thank you! Cheers!
This was just wonderful, we loved the opening advert section and the way you found out what settings the camera was on . Then the photographs you captured were really interesting they really did transport us all back in time . I am amazed you do not have many more followers . Thanks for sharing and we look forward to seeing what camera you use next . Take care :D Teddy
Thank Teddy, really appreciate your words
I have this exact camera sitting atop an old fashioned record player out in my living room! How cool!!
You should try using it, I’m going to making a spook adapter with tensioner, to solve the tension issue. But aside from that they are great.
@@olitography Okay so I'm looking at the camera now and it says Kodak No.1 Pocket Folding Camera Patent April 21, 1908 - August 31, 1909. The bellows are not the same color as your's in the video. It's a dark brown color, but the exact same lens and view finder. Mine is the Model D, correct?
I can’t add a picture here but it could be a later 1910+ version. Check the lens, is it the automatic or one with shutter speed settings?
olitography it has the shutter speeds
@@olitography The lens is identical to the one you're using in the video. Everything is identical except the color of the bellows, which as I said is dark brown in color.
Once again…. Interesting, informative, unique…. And way cool!! Thanks for your originality!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I own two Number 1A and 2 number 3A, and use 120 or 35mm film with adapters, but no gates because I like the results. On the film slack I read that the slack is caused by the closing of the camera as the bellows compress it air to push on the film creating slack. Solution is to take up the slack every time you open the camera
I didn't close it between rolls and wound the slack out, I put it down to early tech, the Brownie has those massive corners which create tension, but most cameras have some kind of tensioner, I wondered if I got the film loaded right.
@@olitography Thank you, I will find out if I have the same issue once I develop my film. Have you experimented with cut paper instead of film?
at first i couldn't quite believe the high quality of the images for a 110yr old camera, it actually didn't look any different from those 90s kodak disposables. you would think you were being lied to, that 110yr old camera couldn't take such good quality images. but we forget to realize the original users 110yrs ago were getting the exact same results because the photos were brand new at the time they were photographed. the old grainy and washed out and aged look we're so often used to seeing from 'olden time' photos in modern times, is just because of that, they've all been aged over 110yrs and things will break down and deteriorate over such a long span of time. so the next time you see an 'olden time' photo, remember the original looked much better when originally taken.
film cameras are simply just sizes of holes paired up with time a window opens so im not that surprised
love these videos! you deserve more subs
Thank you so much!
@@olitography If you don't mind me asking, do you borrow thse cameras or are they in a collection of yours?
@@thechickenrebellion From a collection my father and I acquired, I made a video about it, I think its called returning vintage cameras in 2020, wait I can link it th-cam.com/video/4f_Os31CKQM/w-d-xo.html
Such a great one mann.Well done guys doing amazing stuff 🤘🏼🤘🏼🙏🏼
Why thank you sir, hope your keeping ok?
ohhh man, this was so helpful. Thank you so much for do this work.
Also on the Kodak 3A I can switch out the back and use glass plate negative or paper.
coud I borrow it?
I have one of these to really loved to see one working
So involved and absolutely mesmerizing!
Amazing photos from the Kodak. Modern photographers are trying to recreate that look with old lenses and digital cameras. I own a restored Ansco Viking from the 50’s and I love the images. Great job.
I really appreciate all the effort you put in for these videos. Thumbs up from me.
Very enjoyable video, I know how much effort there is to make one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You could have made this a 35min epic but bugger that, where English - to the point! Great images, they look like stuff my grandparents took :o)
Your great grandparents
@@olitography - Actually no, my grandparents where actually Victorians!
Nice. I like pictorialism.
I do too
Cool
Cheers
Really liked your video, subbed
Awesome, thank you!
1:16 There are actually may ways of calculating the value of $12 from 1910 in today's money depending of what one uses to inflate it to today's money.
I say the camera cost something like $900 in today's money.
Here is the price of the camera today if it's price was calculated relative to the following things:
Average Wage: $910
Gold Price: $1,048
Silver Price: $550
Loaf of Bread: $600
Home Price: $1,520
Oil Price: $1,044
Big Mac Index: $1,008
College Tuition: $2,160
Medical Cost: $2,580
Movie Ticket: $2,400
Car Price: $1,200.
Energy Price: $1,080
Minimum Wage: $960
Public Transit Fare: $600
Clothing Cost: $720
Furniture Cost: $1,200
Blue moon camera sells 400 iso 116 film, its a great film, as i have used it in my Kodak No.1A Autographic Jr. Model A. Some of my best images were from that roll.
Why so few subs? Excellent presentation, interesting content.
good show chap, I have the same camera, and I am going to give it a whirl.
Wow that's a lot of admirable research just to make this shit work. Awesome job!
It's not shit, it's a frame-capturing time machine, and a piece of history.
Like how you paid homage to the 1913 ‘Christina’ photos in the final part of the video.
Delightful video - thank you! Did anybody else notice the gaffe at 1:00? The late 1900s were a gilded era . . . Ah yes, the 1980s when my two daughters were born! ;o)
I've a 1931 Zeiss Ikon 520/15 meant to shoot 116 film and I got around the problem by using shortened plastic Rawleplugs snugged into the 120 spool ends. To solve the problem of tension I made the gate mask with ears on either side which extend about 2cm, tucked these under the film rollers and it seems to work well enough.
Fortunately the 91 year old shutter has proper speed and aperture settings so not so much work as your Kodak. Amazing lens though.
Good to see Reculver Towers in the distance.
On to the next video!
Nope nobody noticed, not even me, good spot
These cameras deserve the test of time. some kodak autographic cameras has bellows of low quality faux leather, and pinholes starts ro appear. Still workable but may need new bellows or pinhole patching.
I’m finding pre 1920s bellows to very good compared to later cloth ones.
Good video. I've recently bought a Kodak 3A Folding Brownie to hopefully shoot panoramic 120 film with. I want to make a mask out of card at the back like you did, but I'm concerned it could scratch the film as it passes over the internal edges of the mask. Did you see any scratching issues, or do anything to prevent this?
Card won’t scratch, it’s been fine for me
You can still source 116 format film from a few camera shops, most sell film that is custom rolled by Film For Classics. Those shops are Central Camera in Chicago, Blue Moon Camera in Oregon and The Film Photography Project in Ohio.
Thanks, I did manage to get some for another camera, but will pop into Chicago next time I’m there.
Great job man! 🔟
Thank you
Let me say from the outset Ol I love watching all your experiments and musings. Can I ask how (what was the formula used) you determined the shutter speeds from ocilloscope reading? I'm thinking of a science project for basic use of an oscilloscope for high school students.
we used the ir bulb and receiver from a old tv or VHS player, Wired into a scope, the transmitter in the back of the camera and the sensor on the other side of lens.
I then would cycle the shutter, this gave us a step on the screen with each grid square accounting for x number of m/s, (you just scale it on the scope to suit) it’s not repeatable fast enough to give a constant reading, so we filmed it and took a freeze frame of the footage you can then use the grid scale to work out how long the shutter let the light in.
There was no formula, just a chart found via google , otherwise you can work out x m/s as a 1000th of a second.. ie 1 m/s 1000th 2 m/s 500th and 1/250th 4 m/s and so on
The chart is useful because it notes the tolerances
www.flutotscamerarepair.com/Shutterspeed.htm
You can also do this using a microphone but the older cameras move in one sweep rather than 2
W O W ! ! ! ! !
Thank you for this informative video. I have a few old Kodak's that I shoot with, but many of the ones in my collection do not take 120 film. I will look into getting adaptors for my film spools, like you suggested. Take care. :)
_"Use setting no. 3 on a cloudy day with the sun behind you and a goat flying through the sky. Well that's not much help to me."_ 🤣🤣🤣
That manual was written before shutter speeds were invented. 🤔
Might be just me, but the old potato colour looks way more natural than the modern stuff..?? And i would be seriously happy with those old images.. btw, the original model was lovely. The current model was nice too. Umm, could someone make up some of the potato starch film to try..??
I tried to find some when we I made the video, but making it would be quite involved
I have the no 1 version, that will take regular 120 film. The original red bellows is still in good shape. It was purchased new by my great grandfather about 1909
Interesting video, thank you for sharing your endeavors. You didn't mention how did you overcame the focus shifting with the mask you made. I made one mask to 129 to 127 rollfilm and to adress the light leaks from the film gap, but it became out of focus. Cheers
Changing the film size will not affect focus. You have to change the distance between film plane and lens for that happen.
@@olitography Yes of course. But when you put a mask to make the film gate smaller, you must put it over the existing gate. The mask must have same rigidity, what makes it at list 0,5mm thick, that’s why it shifts the focus distance. I don’t have a 3D printer; I make it out of cardboard. I use the hyperfocal distance to archive the focus, but knowing it is not in a proper focus distance. Great videos you make mate, love it.
@@rolandofuret2658 slack in the film accounts for a greater margin of error than 0.5mm, acceptable focus requires way more movement than that, your images were not out of focus for this reason. My money is on the lens being in the wrong place at the other end of the bellows.
@@olitography Thank you 😀
Can you remember what setting you used as in 1,2,3,4 f stop and if you used instant shutter or time?? I have one and just trying to get as close as possible. Film is not super cheap and neither is developing. Thanks again for the awesome video!
I think there is a bit in that video if not it’s the camera with the red bellows video, we’re we measured the shutter speeds on a scope. So they should be in there. What the iris settings are, are in there as well. Don’t use time that’s like bulb.
The third thing you can do is use ND filters for more control. Though I’m in the Uk so there is rarely enough light.
It’s worth doing the obvious lens cleans and bellows check. Aside from that film as a good amount of latitude and you might be surprised by what you get back.
I found the channel now and I'm loving it 😍😍😍😍
What do you mean you don't have multiple subscribers and views?
You deserve
Hugs from Brazil
PS Google Translation 😉🙏
I’m very interested in how you are measuring shutter speed. I happen to have an oscilloscope here. May I ask about the setup you use?
It’s a while ago, I think it was a lamp one end a light sensor and the other. With the camera shutter between
6:21 I recently found out that there is actually a guy in the states who makes autochrome plates from scratch.
Really, would you be able to pass on the Info
I like what you do and I collect cameras of all ilks, in fact I got to you by trying to find a book or reference on Half plate cameras, as I’ve just purchased one, a Triple Victo by Houghton I would suggest that you look at Martin Henson from up North a really knowledgeable guy who even does plate exposures, and develops, nice guy logical, no frills. There is also a guy on the Isle of Wight and weirdly they have become chums via the TH-cam and photography etc his channel shoot film like a Boss, is also about film and old cameras, plus developing, both of them do some very nice work, I do like the old look and the one with model next to the old boat !DG
I love them but they dont love me
Did you use anything to hold the gate mask in place, or did it stay in place all by itself?
It stayed by itself, it gets held in place by the film
@@olitography Thanks for answering.😁
Friend I would like to take a photo withouy using film , here in Mexico is a little difficult to get some films cause I cant find it
They are a little expensive and I was wondering if there is a way to take a photo without using a film with a camera ?
There are quite digital camera videos here as well, in lock down we shot a bunch of them, they just got buried
Interesting.
Ooh! Reculver
Can you do an tutorial, i have one.
I wonder if you can use these to shoot Instax? Load a photo into the camera in the dark then take a photo like normal, remove in the dark and put inside a instax cartridge and shoot threw a instax camera so you can get a chemical spread.
I do t have that camera anymore but I could try 3d printing insta bodies for the old cameras
Mine doesn't say model d... It's just 1a
It’s worth googling the serial number
It’s not in black and white? That’s… odd.
I Need do the same with My Contessa Nettel Cocarette mine Is 118 and i Need cut the masque.....
I just used a Cocarrete in Iceland will be the last video of the series
Shouldn't that be "the late 19th Century", not 1900s?
1909 was in the 20th century.
@@olitography I was aware of that, actually. ;)
That camera is from 1908 not 1909, however I will say your camera might of been made in 1909.