If I understand the idea behind this correctly. This only works if your processing is post fader, but an aux track in PT is not PF. The levels coming into the channel will remain the same. It’s better to do this in Pro Tools with a master track because all processing is done post fader on a master track. Send all your tracks to a master track with it turned all the way up, then turn it back to zero to start doing your processing and the level going into your processing will be appropriate. And if it’s still too loud, turn down the fader.
I do something very similar. I'll take an ssl bus comp going into a limiter and out at -.01 and use the needle to tell me where things are hitting and see if I'm getting any gain reduction. I'll aim for 0 gain reduction to get everything leveled
That’s a great tip. All I do is place a gain plugin on my mix buss & I set the gain plugin at +6 db. Then after finished mixing I place it back at 0 or bypass and I will always have -6 db head room.
@@vargasjose2929 mix is not the final loudness but loudness is in the mix! ....i always struggled with competitive loudness before i found clip-to-zero mixing technique
@@snubdawg1386 yes I agree that is also true! but imagine that but lowering -6db overall and you will still hear that perceived loudness without being at 0db ceiling. As we don’t want to hit 0db clip before mastering which is why we lower -6db pre master. Although based on the music needs
started doing that the first year I started mixing every TH-cam tutorial kept telling me to mix in low volume or below -6db but I was not used to that, so each time I would set everything to -6db then crank my master volume up once I was done mixing I would set it back to zero then export it for mastering
I like this but can you explain why the mix bus is +12db and then you mix into it? Im thinking itll clip at 12 still. Are you getting the levels when its mixed at 12db and then resetting it to 0 so you can master w the headroom? Can we get a full video on this technique?
Vocals are tricky…not sure if an hour long video is gonna be enough. To put it short…every human has a unique voice…and there’s a lot of genres out there that require different things out of the vocals…and also…vocals are one of those things that you really gotta play around the EQs, Compressors, saturation, modulation and time, DeEssers, and have multiple instances of different EQ and compressor plugins working together in series to get the best result. Also tip…if you don’t have good speakers when mixing…save a version with the Vocals at +2db louder and -2db quieter than the original. Most of the time the vocals simply need to be louder or quieter…
@@DJUwUgood advise friend! Yep, I use waves plugins and some sauce saturators, mix in headphones, but sometimes it looks like too much loud vocal (kick=snare=vocal technique)
Are you referring to gain staging. If so just play around with your input gain of your preamp and adjust the source to the proper level without clipping. Now as for as adjusting your level of your faders 🎚️ I would recommend using the clip gain method to determine how loud or how low you need the vocal to be. This way you will get the best results out of your plugins without clipping them.
Volume & gain are two different things. If youre sliding faders to get a good level while your master fader is all the way up, bringing it back down to zero wont mean anything ... is it just me thinking this?
Wayne I think I do this w my interface lmao and that’s why my vox come in at -28 or around that vibe but it’s odd like that’s where when I turn up my interface volume not even all the way just enough to hear clear I begin to hear that background noise pretty clear w even dynamics it’s an odd phenomenon I don’t know how to mitigate ssl2+ and athm50s. You think my polarity headphones throwing off my judgment? Maybe an external headphone amp? Used condensers in the past just love dynamics on my voice so tried beta 58a and sev7 and even tho the 58 is slightly louder output it’s still kinda the same vibe I’m trynna mitigate. To be real I wish I could just record without headphones like badu but I don’t have the privacy for such that I need
Or turn the volume up on your device volume or interface so you can hear the levels then down volume down so you can hear what’s too loud compared to the rest then bring volume back up a bit
What?!!! If I’m mixing and I’m getting to hot, I just select all my tracks and reduce them by 5db and turn my interface up. Sounds identical, and removes clipping. This is just a complicated way to turn down everything (aka create headroom) right? You should never mix with a limiter on so WHERE you create headroom shouldn’t matter, shit you can even add a utility doing -5db gain on the master and that adds headroom.
Yeah thats not gain staging or going to help hit your mixing plugins where they need to be. You gain stage before mixing your individual tracks, and have all your faders at zero then just need to turn down not up
Thank you sir. I'm pretty sure this tip just solved most of my issues.
Why didn't I think of that!! Hahha. Much love bruv!!
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Just started doing this and can finally get my final mix to bang, sooo goood
That, good Sir, is not gain staging. It might give you the results you need, but let's not call it gain staging coz it's not.
Tbh I been doing these same stuff unknowingly 😅 after seeing these video now I realise how powerful this is
Best advice I’ve ever seen on yt
Woah thats a pretty interesting trick! 💪🏾
If I understand the idea behind this correctly. This only works if your processing is post fader, but an aux track in PT is not PF. The levels coming into the channel will remain the same. It’s better to do this in Pro Tools with a master track because all processing is done post fader on a master track.
Send all your tracks to a master track with it turned all the way up, then turn it back to zero to start doing your processing and the level going into your processing will be appropriate. And if it’s still too loud, turn down the fader.
This is a WAYYY better method, with explanation as well🔥
Exactly
Very nice. Great advice
I follow Streaky and he basically showed the same thing. Good advice 👍
Nothing streaky has ever said has been good advice
@@karningham2849 true, but I don't know any that are right 105% of the time. Many audio shorts and reels are a commercial for a product.
@@karningham2849Looks like ur tight end needs to be touched up.
@@ES92- lmao imagine simping for streaky
I do something very similar. I'll take an ssl bus comp going into a limiter and out at -.01 and use the needle to tell me where things are hitting and see if I'm getting any gain reduction. I'll aim for 0 gain reduction to get everything leveled
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That’s a great tip. All I do is place a gain plugin on my mix buss & I set the gain plugin at +6 db. Then after finished mixing I place it back at 0 or bypass and I will always have -6 db head room.
so you like quiet mixes?
@@snubdawg1386the reason for this is to have room for mastering which will bring back up, the mix is not the final loudness
@@vargasjose2929 mix is not the final loudness but loudness is in the mix! ....i always struggled with competitive loudness before i found clip-to-zero mixing technique
@@snubdawg1386 yes I agree that is also true! but imagine that but lowering -6db overall and you will still hear that perceived loudness without being at 0db ceiling. As we don’t want to hit 0db clip before mastering which is why we lower -6db pre master. Although based on the music needs
@@snubdawg1386 no I go make it loud in mastering
started doing that the first year I started mixing every TH-cam tutorial kept telling me to mix in low volume or below -6db but I was not used to that, so each time I would set everything to -6db then crank my master volume up once I was done mixing I would set it back to zero then export it for mastering
Thank you!!
pretty genius honestly. I just have all my tracks set to my typical mixdown area in a template
Thank you
This a banger
Great tip can this be used in fl studio also or not?
Just tried this in reason 13 it’s the missing piece to the puzzle boi👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
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Keep grinding wavy Maine in my Terrence Howard voice 😂
This is literally what I’ve been doing in my DAW
I’ve always put my EQ’s in a bus and my dynamics on the mono track. I’ve been doing it since like 2010. It’s the only way I mix
What do you mean
alternatively insert gain plugin before master
I like this but can you explain why the mix bus is +12db and then you mix into it? Im thinking itll clip at 12 still. Are you getting the levels when its mixed at 12db and then resetting it to 0 so you can master w the headroom? Can we get a full video on this technique?
Word. That was my question.
Dear Wayne, better make a guide how to set levels on faders with vocal for best clarity. Thanks
Vocals are tricky…not sure if an hour long video is gonna be enough. To put it short…every human has a unique voice…and there’s a lot of genres out there that require different things out of the vocals…and also…vocals are one of those things that you really gotta play around the EQs, Compressors, saturation, modulation and time, DeEssers, and have multiple instances of different EQ and compressor plugins working together in series to get the best result. Also tip…if you don’t have good speakers when mixing…save a version with the Vocals at +2db louder and -2db quieter than the original. Most of the time the vocals simply need to be louder or quieter…
@@DJUwUgood advise friend! Yep, I use waves plugins and some sauce saturators, mix in headphones, but sometimes it looks like too much loud vocal (kick=snare=vocal technique)
Are you referring to gain staging. If so just play around with your input gain of your preamp and adjust the source to the proper level without clipping. Now as for as adjusting your level of your faders 🎚️ I would recommend using the clip gain method to determine how loud or how low you need the vocal to be. This way you will get the best results out of your plugins without clipping them.
I usually just keep an eye on my mix bus and aim for -6 to -5 dbfs to have headroom for the mastering process.
-18 or 12dbs rms for the channel strips. If it’s too low turn it up outside the daw.
Ken is the man! He maid Kanye’s iconic songs happen!!
Volume & gain are two different things. If youre sliding faders to get a good level while your master fader is all the way up, bringing it back down to zero wont mean anything ... is it just me thinking this?
i don't understand you and also don't understand why he's talkin hahaa
@@cultureoftriibe usually I just leave master fader at 0 and never touch it
That's genius
Or turn the master up
Genius😂😂😂
Wayne I think I do this w my interface lmao and that’s why my vox come in at -28 or around that vibe but it’s odd like that’s where when I turn up my interface volume not even all the way just enough to hear clear I begin to hear that background noise pretty clear w even dynamics it’s an odd phenomenon I don’t know how to mitigate ssl2+ and athm50s. You think my polarity headphones throwing off my judgment? Maybe an external headphone amp? Used condensers in the past just love dynamics on my voice so tried beta 58a and sev7 and even tho the 58 is slightly louder output it’s still kinda the same vibe I’m trynna mitigate. To be real I wish I could just record without headphones like badu but I don’t have the privacy for such that I need
Or turn the volume up on your device volume or interface so you can hear the levels then down volume down so you can hear what’s too loud compared to the rest then bring volume back up a bit
I don't think dude is doing this to try and figure out what's too loud though.
What?!!!
If I’m mixing and I’m getting to hot, I just select all my tracks and reduce them by 5db and turn my interface up. Sounds identical, and removes clipping.
This is just a complicated way to turn down everything (aka create headroom) right?
You should never mix with a limiter on so WHERE you create headroom shouldn’t matter, shit you can even add a utility doing -5db gain on the master and that adds headroom.
So if I have tracks routed to another bus, I would just route that bus into that stereo mix bus?
What’s the difference between an mix buss and a master fader?
👌🏾 okay
Is this the same at putting gain on the master channel?
Ain’t that the similar to using a limiter and giving it a 6db boost and turning it off for before mastering?
No because limiters add a certain sound (color ).
supposedly everything works post fader though...
Why bring the fader all the way up, then bring it down?
The answer is in the video you just watched
you will end up with great headroom
@@11dremoss Ok, I'll try it. Thank you
Can put a utility tool
On the master in Ableton
All ways on 👉
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You must be new to mixing
so basically make the whole session clip and turn it down later? nahhhh twin
Yeah thats not gain staging or going to help hit your mixing plugins where they need to be. You gain stage before mixing your individual tracks, and have all your faders at zero then just need to turn down not up
Does this trick work for Logic Pro?
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Why not just use a Master Buss for this?
MAKES SENSE WILL NEVER BE HOT
this is not gain-staging....
Kenny Lewis??? From Mixed Emotion?
He mastered Kanye and Taylor Swift music
Ya you don’t need to do all that guys
Ole school trick doesn't always work on every song learn all the tricks...
Haha why? Mix into your clipper directly instead, thank me later.
How to not mix 101
I usually add a limiter and turn the gain up 6db then when I’m done I bring the gain back to unity (0db)
why?
@@snubdawg1386because you will end up with plenty of headroom making your mix sound cleaner and easier to get a loud master
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No. No.