The Most Incompetent NBA Draft of the 2000s | Bill Simmons’s Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Joe House to redraft the 2006 NBA lottery, which is highlighted by Kyle Lowry, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Rajon Rondo.
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I run into Brandon Roy in Seattle every now and then, dude is legit a great guy and he's always with his family when I see him. True class act.
dude was the better joe johnson...if not for kobe he would have a 1st team all nba probably.....joe like mitch richmond never could elevate his game or team but roy imo could..he had a sneaky d wade like game ..he would end up with 26 7 and 6 and 2 1 and you were like how?...he was such a killer
He’s a really down to earth guy, never seemed to let the fame get to his head. Damn shame for injuries he was great to watch when he was healthy
nigga mouzone
He’s a great high school coach now, I wonder if Washington will hire him one day to resurrect that dead program
@@razkable he's more forgotten the most people as good as he was as well probably bc he had like 1 big yesr then was out the league but arenas and others are far more talked about
If it wasn’t for injury Brandon Roy is easily the best player in this draft.
But teams knew about the injury before the draft. That's why Raps didn't draft him. Would rather have Lowry.
facts. we did a whole blazers GOAT convo and discussed B Roy in depth. Check it out!
Even with the injury's for me he is the best player in the draft
Blame the organization, they rushed him back to play the Suns in the playoffs
Giovani Alexander he had bad knees coming in so he was always gonna get hurt in any universe
"JJ will play for another 7 years" *retires 6 months later*
"Rondo may have a half chapter still left in this upcoming playoffs in 2020". An half a chapter he had.
Now he has another half chapter coming up with the Cavs.
Bill Simmons. "I landed on Rajon Rondo". Here's his objective reason......he's a biased Celtics fan. :)
It’s crazy watching this now how on point house is on his prediction about Rondo’s potential success with the Lakers
“Playoff Rondo” has been a thing for many years and he was on an obvious title contender that lacked talent after AD/LeBron. Not that great of a prediction.
Yeah he definitely added to his legacy! He was truthfully the 3rd best player on the team.
came looking for this comment
I didn’t even see the date until I heard that comment and was like woah wait what and came for this comment
@@33moneyballcalling the Lakers a title contender that lacked talent after AD/LeBron kind of belies your point my man.
House nailed the "bubble Rondo will be key for the Lakers" call
I remember in 2013 Aldridge had a game on a random Thurday night against James Harden, Dwight Howard and the Rockets and had 31 points and 25 Rebounds. Still one of the best games I've seen played
in the 2014 playoffs didn't he put up like 40 and 20 lol..
Was that during run through the tape?
It had to be on TNT right?
Never missed a fadeaway
He dominated the Harden and Dwight in that playoff series... Him and Dame Lillard are unstoppable... Too bad they run against the 2014 Spurs in the 2nd round that season
Bill “when I was doing NBA countdown” Simmons
When ESPN was focused on credibilty
Rajon Rondo is the poster child of people who turn it up in the playoffs. 4th all-time triple doubles post-season, everyone knows the guy is one of the best defensive point guards ever, can lead a team wherever he goes. Hell, he was crushing in Chicago during the playoffs when he got hurt.
Rondo can only thrive with prime top level talent
One of the best defensive point guards ever, huh? Reaching much?
@@slickeddy2000 Out of all college players in 06-07 Rondo had a steal rate that was literally double any other player in college. I think the steal rate stat was defined as the percent of times a player strips the ball from the opponent he is guarding. So a somewhat percise stat, but a very interesting one. I think his was 18%. Ainge said that this stat was the primary reason he took rondo. His one on one defense was just head and shoulders above everyone else.
They also cited his 2.1 steals in those 66 playoff games over his celtic years.
Nicholas Strezynski okay Rondo went to Kentucky which is a college that always gets good talent. So Rondo always had good teammates
@@slickeddy2000 Kentucky was actually pretty garbage after 2003 until Calipari got there. Name one great player from Kentucky during the mid-2000s you cant cuz Keith Bogans and Tayshaun Prince were the last good players until Rondo. Louisville had taken over in that rivalry too
Brandon Roy is easily one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history
Dude was incredible
PNW. Seattle kid. RIP SuperSonics
That game 4 between Portland and Dallas, when BRoy led us back from down 23, was the best sports moment I’ve ever witnessed. Roy is my favorite player ever and that was an amazing send off for a really sad situation.
roy had what kobe manu and d wade were made of ...that clutch sg killer mentality
That game made me cry because he was pretty much done then, but I holding on to hope at that moment.
That's one of the most memorable Mavs games ever for me because I was so torn between wanting the Mavs to win and being excited Brandon Roy was having a revival.
That game was like a real life movie moment. Dude wasn't really playing, game was just over there is no chance. BRoy goes in takes over the game and has this incredible quarter and a half that just built up momentum after every shot. Sad that was his last good game.
They need to add some commentary on what people said about these players when they were drafted, even what they said about them over the years and add more footage of the players playing during the time frame they're speaking about.
ya but that would take actual production value
Would be next level! Even just like pop up video... have some stats about the guy pop up.
That was such a special night
I think you’re missing the point of what they are trying to do. If it was just one guy, or even two guys, talking then I would agree with you. But with three different people I think it works better this way. Also, the vast majority of Bill Simmons content is done as a podcast. So these weren’t primarily intended for TH-cam. So they just filmed themselves doing the podcasts so they could upload them to TH-cam as well as having the podcast available for download.
Look man, you wanna listen to three random dudes talk about sports or not?
So take your notes, wad em up into tiny little basketballs and shove em directly in front of a couple friends before learning how to edit and start your own sports channel because that sounds legit.
Rondo Chicago team was up 2-0 on Boston before he got hurt.
They are very bias with boston here lol
And you can feel the laker hate too lollll
@@comedychrises"Jimmy Butler and D Wade’s team"
Yeah. And with Rondo, they win the first two in Boston. Without Rondo, they lose four straight. Rondo was controlling the games and the series. If he does not get hurt, it would have been a huge upset.
So what does he do? Goes to the Pelicans and engineers a huge upset there.
@@josearzon6807 I'm a boston fan but more often than not I just want Bill to just shut up about the Celtics. It really gets annoying.
@@richardmather1906 all that is true, but Rondo isn't 3rd pick overall. 3rd pick is (hopefully) somebody you can build around IMHO and you just don't build around Rondo.
And at the very least you just don't pick Rondo over B-Roy unless you can predict the future. That's just a case of hindsight 20/20 if I ever saw one
I can't believe they went 45 min without mentioning that this was the gap year when the minimum age rules changed, which was probably the biggest reason why there were no stars available. If the rules hadn't changed there's a pretty good chance KD and Oden would've gone in '06 instead of '07, and all the best "one and done" had already been drafted the year before right out of highschool.
Raptors got screwed twice. First in 1996 when they won the first overall pick but not allowed to select first due to expansion rule. In 2006, they won the first overall pick, it is the "gap" year.
2006 was the year bargnani was suppose to be the dirk and lamarcus the bosh of the draft...one came close if not surpassed the other at their peaks and the other well is a bust
They mentioned it in the '05 redraft, no need to keep bringing it up
@@CBarber22 Strange decision considering the '05 draft wasn't affected by the rule change,.'06 was.
For #1 expected return value, he was absolutely a bust
Joe House was so accurate in saying that another chapter could be written for Rondo in the 2020 playoffs.
Roy has the best peak in this draft, Aldridge has the longest prime, and Lowry has the most playoff accomplishments.
Rondo die ?
Rondo has the most playoff accomplishments.
That rondo 2020 playoff contributor prediction was legitimately spot on
Rondo used to eat guys like Lowry for lunch. How quickly they forget. Aldridge unquestionably best player before, during, and after this draft. I will never forget when bulls traded rights to Aldridge for Tyrus. Bad move then, bad move now.
Lool your trippin Lowry is better than rondo
@@danbarber7890 Yeah now, not during Rondo's prime
@@danbarber7890 I respect Lowry’s game. As a spurs fan I’d rather have him than derozan any day of the week.
@@luckypozzo3068 agree
Just because Rondo used to be good doesn't mean shit. The dude has been complete trash for most of his career.
If B. Roy doesn't get hurt he's the best player in this draft and a top 5 shooting guard at that time
top 10
@@leonzaduncan2438 Kobe D Wade T Mac. Ginobli and who else?
ITS AUTOMATIK there is someone named Jordan.. 🤷🏻♂️
@@itsautomatik1470 he is the 2nd best shooting guard in Portland history
@@leonzaduncan2438 I said during that time in the NBA he was drafted in 06 Jordan obviously wasnt playing
Bill - "[JJ Redick] he will probably play another 6 or 7 years" *proceeds to retire following year*
Lmao
Love these I’ve watched them all so far excited to dive into this one trying to wait for my overnight shift tomorrow to watch lol I need them over a hour bill!
Coming back to these videos post Covid. Gotta appreciate the ringers effort to put out content while there was zero NBA games to talk about
I would be intrigued to hear what they have to say about the draft classes in the first half of the 2010’s.
In particular because in the 02 and 03 drafts, they took a couple of players who were busts in the lower lottery based on the potential that something might not have happened.
And a question I have about one of the players here: They said that Rudy Gay’s perception was hurt by analytics.
If he came up today with his game would he have still been viewed as a top prospect?
Also, drinking game while watching these videos: Take a shot every time Bill mentions he had Clippers season tickets.
Im going through a very painful breakup and these make my day thank you
5 months later...still hurting or moved on? Wishing you the best, bad year for a breakup. Not that there are good ones...
Bill's reaction to K-Lowry being number 1 was legit similar to his Bennett reaction.
But if you would look at their respective career. I think it's the correct pick. He was the 2nd best player on a championship team. He'a a great leader. And the overall longevity and impact gives him the advantage to lamarcus aldridge.
@@michaelconstantinemiranda2352 I agree
I thought the same thing. I'll never forget that Bennett reaction and watching this again really helps, especially with House backing him up with it
@@michaelconstantinemiranda2352wasn’t better than Siakam in 2019
@@SticktothemodelsIn terns of scoring, you’re right. But I’m terms of everything else, Lowry was the #2 guy. He was the primary facilitator & floor setter, he was the better defender, he elevated everyone’s play including Pascal & he had a bigger impact in most playoff games down the stretch.
Great podcast. Thanks Ringer!
I highly recommend doing your own redraft before opening these videos to try to predict what they'll do, so you can get ticked off when they make a reach pick and wreck your bracket.
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Bill talked about the two Gay trades, but there were three! When the Raptors dumped him on the Kings they turned their season around and won 48 games out of nowhere!
Hey gay still in the nba...keep getting them checks boy
At the end of the All Star game, when they were actually trying to win, Kyle Lowry was on the floor in the clutch. He's just a winning player.
So was derozan in 2018
@@mantgrta9728 🧢
Actually he was a loser until 2019... I remember his playoff games with 0 points and shit like that! He kinda proved everyone wrong last year
@@davincerica7232 game 5 missed shot
Ludi DaVinci nope
Brandon roy was on the path to being a top 50 all time even according to bill then he got injured
I wouldn’t say too 50 all time lol but he was definitely a perennial all star and a damn good player
Yet Rondo gets pick ahead of him😂😂😂
brando8888888888 dude had a Tmac/Harden type game. His legs are the only things that stopped him from being a hall of famer
brando8888888888 you're sleeping on broy man...dnt forget he beat yao and mcgrady in the playoffs
Yes he was. Imagine him and aldridge in the playoffs
B Roy made me S my pants as a Dallas fan, dude was so Clutch
These videos are great
"There's a lot of revisionist history with Bargnani..."
Uhhhhhh no. I followed a couple sports blogs by some Raptors fans wanted him GONE for years, they couldn't wait to get rid of him, and were happily shocked and ecstatic that the Knicks gave them draft picks to take his bloated contract.
I think he means in terms of his actual play not the fan response, yes I agree I remember nobody who had him was ever necessarily happy or excited about it 😂, but he was definitely not a bust, you can say that he could’ve done better but the numbers alone can show you he just was far from a bust
i hate their mistakes with rudy gay..he tore his achillies and kawhi got hurt in 2017 ...if he and kawhi and aldridge are healthy in 2017 and 2018 who knows man and then kawhi stays and they may still be competing for west titles......he was a star that had the wrong role..hes like a modern day ron artest in a way ...inhis era great as a top 2 option at his best but in today's nba he would be better as a role player...rudy is better as a true 3rd option next to a superstar like kawhi not a top 2 scorer on a real contender...hes still good and better than redick...
He wasn't a really good player, but he's not a Kwame Brown/Michael Olowokandi/Darko Milicic type bust that people paint him as either. He's a player that got taken a bit too early and really should have had a specific role on a team as a stretch big next to some other big who'd clean up for him on the defensive end. He was a pretty good scorer, but the thing is he never actually played on a good team and was never an exciting player to watch, so people mostly remember his shortcomings and weaknesses, so it was always easy to pigeon hole him as that Darko-type bust, but he really wasn't an irredeemable player.
He wasnt trash he just wasnt first pick worthy
And Rondo
Loving these odd nostalgia trips, keep it up
Talk about beeing prisoner of the moment, there is zero case for Lowry over Aldridge
Don't forget about Rondo
At times Lowry was the best player in the finals. He's a very good all around point guard, all Aldridge does is make turnaround 18 footers
@@mattr27 That's some serious revisionist history on Lamarcus Aldridge. Guy was 23 and 10 consistently in Portland
@@jordan12118 did it translate to winning? A ball stopping mid range jump shooter who didn't make anyone better? Didn't think so
@@jordan12118 And got nowhere. Butthurt because Dame was coming along and bounced.
I love that you guys do the redraft
Nothing incompetent about Rondo. He’d give you triple doubles and give you those hands.
Never mind he can’t make anything other than a lay up
i take paul millsap over rondo...its close though
and he spit on you
Mr Derp8 prime Rondo was a beast tho. He put up 40 against the heats big 3 in the playoffs Rondo wasn’t the beat shooter but he was crafty enough to find ways to score.
Early Rondo was basically today’s Ben Simmons, but without the height. Once everyone figured that out, they clogged the paint and dared him to shoot.
13:50 he was spot on
The Hawks took Sheldon “Slumlord” Williams a year after taking Marvin “7th Man at best” Williams. 😭😭.
marvin was a solid 6th man at his peak..just not a top 4 option on a real contender...he could of been a 5th option on a star led team that won a title for sure like in college...he was that missing piece that was forced to play too many minutes and be a starter
Billy knight was the worst gm in the history of the nba
Marvin at his best was a legit starter for playoff teams
@Thulsa Doom I was no Marvin fan but the reason he came off the bench wasn't because he wasn't good. It was because he had a senior in front of him on a stacked team that didn't need him a freshman to start.
Marvin Williams is that because a 3 point shooter when he was declining as more scoring option. If he had that 3 pointer im his early Hawks days it would helped a lot that squad back in the day.
amazing video
“Another goat advertisement” Great Lebron shade there 😂
Bill thinks Grantland was ahead of the curve in advanced metrics, but then credits Bargnani's 21.4 ppg one season without looking at how many attempts he needed to get there.
bill makes me cringe every time he reels off the FG% as if it means something when TS% is right there to use
I had no idea Mario & Luigi knew so much about the NBA
damn he really called that shot at 13:50
looked up Andrea Bargnani on basketball reference, saw all those 10+ ppg seasons, one year even 21.4 and asked myself how can that be considered a bust, but then i looked at the top of the page and saw 1st pick, 1st overall.
So many of the 2000 draft classes were very weird. Other than 2003, 2008 and 2009 there wasn’t really that many superstars from each class.
Bill and Joe echoed my reaction to Chris’ number one pick to perfection! I’d take Aldridge myself.
i think we have to look at these redrafts as if these players have to be my foundation not allowed to have a kawhi or derozan or siakam like lowry had or early on gasol and then ming and t mac...lowry had a great career but is he capable on his own of being the best player on a playoff team without those guys helping him?..no...sorry lamarcus was...multiple times...give me him..lowry vs rondo is a debate i go with lowry slightly but rondo at his peak has a case for 1...we can't look at their teams we have to look at them as individuals on a new team
Anyone who watched Brandon Roy play on a regular basis, knows that injuries aside, he was easily the best player in the draft. He's like Bill Walton. Spectacular player who's body couldn't hold up.
Love these redraft videos
As a Magic fan I can say JJ was solid but needed time to develop. Keith Bogans, Piatris (however u spell it) and Matt Barnes were all better options at 2 guard. In those early years JJ would get abused on D. He later became a solid team defender.
i mean people forget they beat the cavs in 2009 without him...he was trash at that time..he could hit a three..that was about it...maybe 2...
Yes the way the game is played now is why people love him so much
Kinda disagree so much clout coming out Duke he should have been playing.
"2020 playoffs might be a great opportunity for Rondo!" Wow, nailed it House!
despite the bad draft class, this was the most interesting redraft thus far. No real clear cut obvi picks led to interesting discussions. Lot of good glue guys and role players came out of the 06 draft.
1 year later: House nailed the Rondo forecast.
Millsaps game changed after a game in Miami in the 2011 season. That was the first time he hit 3s a game during his career. And he continued to grow and grow his game. He wasn't boring he was thrilling.
It’s funny how on point Bill and these guys were on Rondo being with the Lakers in the 2020 bubble Playoffs
It’d be interesting to hear their take on Rondo after playoff Laker champ Rondo!
13:50 this man is a prophet
34:50 toronto raptors fan here. when Bargnani was traded i laughed and called the knicks suckers
Brandon Roy would have been number 1 if he didnt get hurt
Leave it to Chris Ryan to ruin the whole re-draft with the first pick.
nah kyle was the best player
It is the correct pick though, kyle is an underrated all time Win share player of this era and over a decade on is still one of the best classic role point guards in the league and his conference.
Lowry is overrated for sure.
You could have the argument that Lowry overachieved for his career. Solid player,
Who’s Chris Ryan
I really like how house is wearing a headset with a built in mic, which he leaves extended ... and still uses the handheld.
What's scary is Portland could've added KD to that squad and they didn't 😂
Kyle Lowry proved Derozan was the problem.
He wasn't a problem he just isn't as good as Kawaii. They also got Danny Green in that trade. That's 2 starters
No he wasn't the raps wanted to trade. Lowry but the spurs didn't want him
@@eboooo
Fr Danny Green was p much a free sharpshooter and solid defender for a season. Granted he sucked ass with his shot in the playoff but still..
@@mantgrta9728 Lowry was the better player by every advanced metric in the KL/DD era.
@@eboooo Marc Gasol was the final piece .... Gasol played stellar defense throughout the playoffs and gave the raptors a fabulous 1--2 punch at Center with Gasol and Ibaka playing great through the post season.
Kyle reminds me of a smaller Billups, smart player, good passer, makes others better, good 3 shooter, good leader, strong minded and most importantly a winner (a bit underrated because he is not flashy). Brandon Roy definitely more talented but all things consider Lowry is a good way to go with this draft.
Lowry is one of those guys that people people sleep on cause the numbers don't wow you, but his overall impact makes his advanced metrics stand out. He also grew into a beloved teammate.
Couldn’t find j j barea in the nba reference 06 reference page. Was he in drafted?
nope..he was undrafted
After quarantine are you guys still doing this?
nice video bro
Brandon Roy is one of the players you look at and think, "if he played in today's NBA..." If he entered the league during the explosion of offense I have no doubt he would put up those video game like numbers we see from many players these days.
Well duh..he had all the skills
As a kid I went to the NBA Summer League and talked the guard at the back gate into letting me into player/bus parking. I just stood around and waited for players, and the first guy who showed up was Roy. The man was on the phone, being guided by the arm by his agent trying to get him to move faster, and Roy spotted me and stopped everything to have a conversation. Realest dude, will always love him.
Omg yesss. I thought they forgot about these
Ahhh I'm reading The Breaks of the Game right now and Halberstam just discussed that McGinnis for Jones swap!
Im so dead bill said “ive been saying for years; quarantined, in the bubble, he’s a legit player” or whatever had me dead
Anyone else notice from the Bargnani highlights it was an orange vs red uniform game
If your reading this comment... nothing but good luck will come to you!!!
Bruh you owe me some good luck
Great shoutout on Leon Powe
Looking back it amazes me there were a few really good players
What does Bill mean when he said Rondo outplayed D rose in the 2009 playoffs. Rose averaged 28 and 7, rondo averaged 18 & 9
I'm not sure because I'm not that well versed in every past postseason series but I guess it's about making your team beat their matchups by playcalling, playmaking, defense and hustle more so than about outscoring him 1on1, that obviously never happened. Rondo has his ways of helping his team win and DRose may have been an early victim of that. Not sure though, Bill could easily be wrong here^^
What did he mean about him outplaying Lebron?? Lol
I was looking through the 2006 draft and its kinda crazy. All of the best players were picked super late.
not aldridge
Every player:
Bill: “Clippers season tickets.”
Celtics anecdote.
“If you played this guy’s career 20
times...”
“This guy would be awesome in
2020.”
Lmao they called Playoff Rondo before it happened!!
Kyle Lowry as the number 1 pick. I got to like it
Nash took a while too. I thought one of the factors to be considered in redrafts was "if i knew what i know now"
People forget nash wasn't a star until 03...
It was not revisionist history that the Bargnani trade was a disaster. Everyone from the beginning made fun of the Knicks and people right away considered Masai a wizard for getting off Bargnani and getting a pick back.
Bill "Boston Sports guy" Simmons telling Chris he can have his Philly stuff is hilarious
Bill Simmons really values 3 point % lol
By all accounts great guy.
You know the draft is mediocre when Kyle Lowry is probably the best player in the draft. He was destined to be a Raptor though
My HS coach played on that Villanova team where Allen ray got his eye poked out
Respect for Chris bringing up Nova's 2006 4 guard offense
Predicted Rondo in the playoffs
Funny Brandon Roy model citizen story: in high school, he played varsity as a sophomore. Our team was loaded with talented seniors, including B’s older brother Ed and a few other guys who played roles at D1 schools the following year. Someone in his own school’s cheering section was drunk and heckling Brandon a bit (“get the kid off the floor” and similar), so Brandon hopped up three rows and popped him one. Busted nose, blood everywhere, and B just went right back into the game.
13:46 Great call 🎯
Rudy Gay was so talented. Feel like he could have been an all-star
J.J. Reddick, a known 3 point specialist drafted in 06 currently has as many 3 pointers made as Lebron James, the man who at one point was knocked as a notoriously bad 3 point shooter. Pretty wild stat
Chris you forgot about DJ Augustine at Texas as well.
How did he bring up iconic Rudy gay trades and leave out the Raptors Kings trade????
They don't know our history cause they don't watch us.
Nicolas Bueno such clowns
Ah yeah I totally remember how that iconic Battier-Gay deal helped the rockets get bounced in the 2nd round in 2009. Iconic shit right there. I wonder if Gay being traded ever launched a team back into the playoffs and was the first move into them getting to a title 6 years later
Rondo never had any personal issues when he was with good teams and top guys. And despite his shooting issues he made some clutch ass 3’s in the 2020 playoffs. And he drove to the basket in some great moments as well. House called it.
@13:50 House predicted it
Rondos basketball EQ is off the charts
You could say the three Rudy Gay trades, they didn’t mentioned the trade from the Raptors to the Kings. Raptors started to win right away after that trade and made the playoffs for the first time in 5 or 6 years. That trade gave the raptors a solid second unit and saw Derozan and Lowry elevate their game.
14:00 hey house, its 2023 now and you were DEAD FUCCKING POINT!! Another Half Chapter for Rondo and ANOTHER ring.