If you're interested in this subject, try to find a documentary called The Ants. It's about these former Japanese soldiers who were stationed in China, and at the end of the war, they were told they couldn't go home because the emperor wanted them to stay and fight the Communists. When they finally return to Japan, they're told the emperor never ordered that and they've lost their military pensions because they were mercenaries. The main characters decide they can't die in peace without finding out what really happened and clearing their names, so they start to investigate. It's super interesting and there are some unexpected twists.
Just watched it, Superb. The pain and anger captured on this particular documentary will really leave you thinking during and long after the movie has finished. As Bill said at the end of this video those who are after something in the same vein of The Act of Killing should definately seek this out!
I’ve seen this! So cool to hear Hader talk about it. The documentary is pretty nuts. Okuzaki really feigned pleasantries and pressured former soldiers to explain what happened in a murderous firing squad style shooting at two of their own, just to whip out the “I’m a better human being than you” card…he just has NO chill. It’s pretty wild to see. in a world where men shovel up their shame and trauma one scoop at a time, Okuzaki forcefully excavates it like a bundle of dynamite. the immoral lengths he goes too as well, even having different people impersonate siblings of the deceased in the confrontations, just to satisfy his own thirst for justice through humiliating admission. “go ahead, call the police!” he says, seemingly empowered that he can inform more of their war crimes. nothing slows this man down except literal imprisonment. Amazing documentary.
@@milton7763The guy is deeply traumatized by what happened during the war. After the Japanese surrendered, the Japanese units in New Guinea were all grouped together and there was not enough food for everyone. The soldiers who were executed were killed so that the officers could eat them, under the guise of punishment for desertion. It’s a pretty tragic story.
@@genemadlon295The sister of one of the two soldiers the focal figure of the documentary knew claims they they were executed to be cannibalised - another person in the same documentary says that an unrelated soldier was killed and cannibalised after he attempted to steal food. Multiple explanations are given for the two relevant executions, including charges of desertion and even charges of cannibalism. Okuzaki was a militant anarchist who ultimately went to prison after attempting to murder an officer named Koshimizu whom he believed to be responsible for the executions. Wrong account of history and bad account of the documentary on your part.
This movie played at a film festival I used to cover as a journalist many years ago. I think back in the 80s . I can't recall whether I saw this at the festival but the way Hader talks about it makes me want to check it out.
Reminds me of a clip I once saw where they confront an old Japanese guy that was one of the ‘scientists’ working at Unit 731 where they did the absolutely most atrocious things to people, Josef Mengele-style, during WWII. The old guy was just like ‘Let’s forget about it. I don’t want to think about it anymore’ and it made you just steam with anger.
Right on Bill Hader! Remiss of him to not mention the other aspect of the confrontations, which is that the men who were executed for "desertion" (after the Japanese surrender) were very likely to have been fed to the other soldiers in the platoon since at that point they had run out of food. Not good!! Big yikes!
don't know what he's talking about near the end, okuzaki only fights the last man once and then apologises and eventually calls the ambulance for him. He only fights people on camera twice within the 2 hour runtime.
And in the end of the doc Kenzō Okuzaki (the antagonist/protagonist) asked the filmer if he wanted to record him shoot and kill the guy who was responsible for the murder. The filmer said no, but Kenzo went on and tried to do it on his own. Also Kenzo was one of two survivors of a party 350 men, and those two were two of six survivors of 1,200 men. All the rest died pretty horrific deaths. Also, as the doc portrays, the man who Kenzo targeted seemed to be not only responsible for a pointless murder, but his murder was also likely because they wanted to eat the murdered corpse. Dark stuff.
I hope I can find this movie somewhere. A country at war will say cruelty is patriotism. It does not minimize at all the atrocities that Japan committed during its campaigns into Asia and the Pacific islands, but people who remember the victims might find some solace that the Japanese did unto the Japanese, for many centuries, before taking their cruelty to people of other nations.
Fascinating stuff, Japan is one the most peaceful and safe countries nowadays, then you read what they did in Korea and China in the 30-40's, the Nanking-massacre, and you realise how easy it is to get people to commit atrocities to other people when they are not the same race or religion, re Hutu Tutsi Palestinians Jews USA vs any brown people
I hate this concept of insanity. It makes me hate Bill Hader, or at least it makes me think less of him significantly. The world in which he promulgates has no capacity for moral convictions or feelings. One only has to be the same, and is incapable of being anything else. I'm sure someone is going to call me a fascist, or something along those lines. But who is the real fascist, when the only moral quality is to abide, where those that cannot are thrown away as divergent from the core; in a sense, not even human-not to be understood as human.
@@thesilentcontempt I am so confused. It turns out that I do need help from someone to unpack this, as I don't even know what I would be unpacking anyway. It turns out that communication actually helps people generally achieve some level of understanding. But then again, I happen to be insane, which you so ably assess from the fact that I don't goosestep as hard as you do. And of course, the insane are not to be understood, they are to be misunderstood and then thrown away.
@@GodheadNee No. But according to the premise that was sold to me on the basis of this video, I don't see why we must follow rules that only serve cruel masters and wretched demons of the past. An argument can always be made on the basis of stability for any unjust system. So too can one generally apply the perversity thesis, by which the logic of progressivism is shown to be self-defeating on some level, often in unimportant ways. But these are conservative clichés, and I would expect better from such a strong reaction against my position.
Yeah, I didn't really get why it was 'insane' to want revenge. He may be a deeply wounded person, but going after the people who hurt him and and killed his compatriots seems rather rational.
If you're interested in this subject, try to find a documentary called The Ants. It's about these former Japanese soldiers who were stationed in China, and at the end of the war, they were told they couldn't go home because the emperor wanted them to stay and fight the Communists. When they finally return to Japan, they're told the emperor never ordered that and they've lost their military pensions because they were mercenaries. The main characters decide they can't die in peace without finding out what really happened and clearing their names, so they start to investigate. It's super interesting and there are some unexpected twists.
These two documentaries are maybe some of the most interesting films I’ve ever heard of and sadly I’m only hearing about them now.
Where can I watch it? Hard to find info about it
@@hoyabembe8858 I don't know. I saw it at a film festival but I've never seen it anywhere else.
this was one of the best and fastest 5 minutes i’ve ever spent on TH-cam
Just watched it, Superb. The pain and anger captured on this particular documentary will really leave you thinking during and long after the movie has finished. As Bill said at the end of this video those who are after something in the same vein of The Act of Killing should definately seek this out!
“You don’t want him in your house.” He’s welcome in my house; I didn’t execute my own men. I think we’d get on just fine.
If anybody is wondering, it's still on the Criterion Channel right now.
It's in TH-cam as well:
th-cam.com/video/fV0d1N8IePU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e0FgVDfckGArSQ8s
I wish your mom was too tbh
Thank you! I'm gonna watch it!
Its actually on TH-cam in full right now
This movie sounds fascinating, and might not have heard of it if it weren’t for clicking on this video! Thank you for sharing. Keep it up team
I’ve seen this! So cool to hear Hader talk about it. The documentary is pretty nuts.
Okuzaki really feigned pleasantries and pressured former soldiers to explain what happened in a murderous firing squad style shooting at two of their own, just to whip out the “I’m a better human being than you” card…he just has NO chill. It’s pretty wild to see.
in a world where men shovel up their shame and trauma one scoop at a time, Okuzaki forcefully excavates it like a bundle of dynamite. the immoral lengths he goes too as well, even having different people impersonate siblings of the deceased in the confrontations, just to satisfy his own thirst for justice through humiliating admission. “go ahead, call the police!” he says, seemingly empowered that he can inform more of their war crimes. nothing slows this man down except literal imprisonment. Amazing documentary.
You make it come off as if he’s the bad/immoral guy
@@milton7763The guy is deeply traumatized by what happened during the war. After the Japanese surrendered, the Japanese units in New Guinea were all grouped together and there was not enough food for everyone. The soldiers who were executed were killed so that the officers could eat them, under the guise of punishment for desertion. It’s a pretty tragic story.
@@genemadlon295The sister of one of the two soldiers the focal figure of the documentary knew claims they they were executed to be cannibalised - another person in the same documentary says that an unrelated soldier was killed and cannibalised after he attempted to steal food. Multiple explanations are given for the two relevant executions, including charges of desertion and even charges of cannibalism.
Okuzaki was a militant anarchist who ultimately went to prison after attempting to murder an officer named Koshimizu whom he believed to be responsible for the executions.
Wrong account of history and bad account of the documentary on your part.
The greatest documentary ever made.
Loving these videos. The Bill Hader ones are my favorite.
Hader should have a movie podcast
You are doing the angels' work here. Thank you for these clips. They improve my day every time you post.
Agreed!
You can say he does... gods and monsters work? :D
This is the best channel on TH-cam right now.
Even the description of that documentary is jaw dropping.
This movie played at a film festival I used to cover as a journalist many years ago. I think back in the 80s .
I can't recall whether I saw this at the festival but the way Hader talks about it makes me want to check it out.
Reminds me of a clip I once saw where they confront an old Japanese guy that was one of the ‘scientists’ working at Unit 731 where they did the absolutely most atrocious things to people, Josef Mengele-style, during WWII.
The old guy was just like ‘Let’s forget about it. I don’t want to think about it anymore’ and it made you just steam with anger.
Awsome. I will watch this documentary because of your vid. Keep it up!
Also, "Come and See"
And............"The Fast Runner"
Only in Japan. The last true samurai this guy.
Right on Bill Hader! Remiss of him to not mention the other aspect of the confrontations, which is that the men who were executed for "desertion" (after the Japanese surrender) were very likely to have been fed to the other soldiers in the platoon since at that point they had run out of food. Not good!! Big yikes!
He probably wanted to leave some surprise for the people who were going to view the documentary after listening to whatever podcast he was on
don't know what he's talking about near the end, okuzaki only fights the last man once and then apologises and eventually calls the ambulance for him. He only fights people on camera twice within the 2 hour runtime.
Great documentary.
And in the end of the doc Kenzō Okuzaki (the antagonist/protagonist) asked the filmer if he wanted to record him shoot and kill the guy who was responsible for the murder. The filmer said no, but Kenzo went on and tried to do it on his own. Also Kenzo was one of two survivors of a party 350 men, and those two were two of six survivors of 1,200 men. All the rest died pretty horrific deaths. Also, as the doc portrays, the man who Kenzo targeted seemed to be not only responsible for a pointless murder, but his murder was also likely because they wanted to eat the murdered corpse. Dark stuff.
I hope I can find this movie somewhere. A country at war will say cruelty is patriotism. It does not minimize at all the atrocities that Japan committed during its campaigns into Asia and the Pacific islands, but people who remember the victims might find some solace that the Japanese did unto the Japanese, for many centuries, before taking their cruelty to people of other nations.
It’s on the criterion channel app. I think there’s free trial
Two concepts lacking a statute of limitations, accountability and revenge.
Where are these Bill Hader interviews coming from? Where can I find the whole thing uncut?
The trailers don't do the film justice but this will suffice in the meantime.
Where the hell does Bill Hader talk about obscure movies all day? Is this a podcast I'm not familiar or did you bug his house?
Fascinating stuff, Japan is one the most peaceful and safe countries nowadays, then you read what they did in Korea and China in the 30-40's, the Nanking-massacre, and you realise how easy it is to get people to commit atrocities to other people when they are not the same race or religion, re Hutu Tutsi Palestinians Jews USA vs any brown people
"What war does to people" is anything BUT "simple-minded".
A non-clip channel with nothing but clips? 🤔
I didn't understand this movie. I think its a movie for old Japanese people. IDK what all the movie hipster fuss is all about.
I hate this concept of insanity. It makes me hate Bill Hader, or at least it makes me think less of him significantly. The world in which he promulgates has no capacity for moral convictions or feelings. One only has to be the same, and is incapable of being anything else.
I'm sure someone is going to call me a fascist, or something along those lines. But who is the real fascist, when the only moral quality is to abide, where those that cannot are thrown away as divergent from the core; in a sense, not even human-not to be understood as human.
Dude soooo much projection on your part. Not sure anyone can help you unpack that except yourself.
@@thesilentcontempt I am so confused. It turns out that I do need help from someone to unpack this, as I don't even know what I would be unpacking anyway. It turns out that communication actually helps people generally achieve some level of understanding.
But then again, I happen to be insane, which you so ably assess from the fact that I don't goosestep as hard as you do. And of course, the insane are not to be understood, they are to be misunderstood and then thrown away.
you haven't seen the movie huh
@@GodheadNee No. But according to the premise that was sold to me on the basis of this video, I don't see why we must follow rules that only serve cruel masters and wretched demons of the past.
An argument can always be made on the basis of stability for any unjust system. So too can one generally apply the perversity thesis, by which the logic of progressivism is shown to be self-defeating on some level, often in unimportant ways. But these are conservative clichés, and I would expect better from such a strong reaction against my position.
Yeah, I didn't really get why it was 'insane' to want revenge. He may be a deeply wounded person, but going after the people who hurt him and and killed his compatriots seems rather rational.