Thank you for this video and replacement parts. The drive hub extension on my 2004 Fleetwood Bayside failed and this video with the new drive hub extension was exactly what I needed to fix it.
My 2002 Sedona will crank up but it won’t release to crank down seem like the extension tube is locked the only way to crank down is to release the pawl
I suspect the issue is inside the box just beyond the crank assembly tube. Do you have a video that shows how to take apart the inside and replace? I have the model with the two open side bearing cup.
My roof will not raise up. The extension tube just spins, nothing els is spinning. The tube is also loose and I can’t get it to tighten snug. I have not tried removing the nut yet. Do you know why the tube would be loose and nothing happens when I try to crank it up?
I just baought the rebuild kit and my nut only goes on a few threads. Did i get the wrong one, i cant wait another week for the right nut on my driveshaft in the tube
I have a Somerset with an electric motor and I’d like to add an extension. My spare tire is in the way at this time of me having to manually crank the roof. In case the motor ever fails, I’d like to have an extension so I can easily crank and not have to remove spare. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the video, Derek! We replaced our drive hub extension and we are back in business! We lost ours on our way home from camp. Quick question, how do you know when to stop unwinding when you are lowering the popup? If you go too far, does that loosen the drive hub?
Great, we used the red lock tite so fingers crossed! Our camper is 30 years old and likely had the original drive hub extension. Always twisted and turned so surprised it didn't fall off sooner. Thanks again!
99 Redwood...top wont go gown after raising with zero issues. Seems as though it might be the hub extension, but is it possible that drive shaft itself should be replaced? New to camper life here!
It should not be necessary to remove the rear panel to change the drive tube on any model. Doing so does give you a bit more access, and lets you inspect the overall condition of the crank and chain.
Not on every system. On your E3 you should be able to undo the pins at the whiffle tree coupler, and unbolt the crank assembly without removing the drive hub tube. It's never a bad idea to disassemble the drive hub tube and check the overall condition of the parts as well.
@@popupcamperpro I was thinking that! Great, I'll go that route first and then if successful I'll check out the hub tube. We are so thankful for your videos.
Hi Derek. Thank you so much for all that you do for us Coleman owners. I rent out pop-ups on Outdoorsy here in Colorado. When something on my Coleman breaks, I can rely on your store and videos to get me out of a jam. I recently had a drive hub extension fail on a customer camping 100 miles away. Your workaround to get the roof down and the video to replace it was extremely helpful! Please keep doing what you do; the world needs more people like you. :)
Hello Pop up camper pro. You may be my savior. I just acquired a 1996 Viking Legend pop up camper. It is in great shape but missing the extension hub. I ordered all the parts, I think, that I need but I don't know how to put it all together. I've been going crazy trying to find some instructions or diagrams or schematics but not having luck. Can you help me install this extension hub? Thank you, Jerry
Hello Jerry! I believe that the Viking uses Goshen lift system parts. We have two new videos coming out this week showing crank system rebuilds. Hopefully these may answer your questions.
I looked in mine with a flashlight and that pin that the crank tool holds on too is bent weird almost a c shape in the center of it, not sure it will tap out correctly with a punch, Any suggestions?
Awesome info - is it possible the drive hub extension just needs a cleaning or do the mentioned issues (roof stuck up, no clicking, etc.) call for replacement? When I removed the drive hub entension nut/tube, there was a lot of gunk, so wondering if I can reinstall after I clean it.
Hi i just baught a fleet wood neon model 4139 . Would u know where i could find an owners manual? And would u know if the leveling jacks are suposed to b down before i pop up the trailor ?
I have a new drive hub extension on its way for my 2000 Sedona. If this doesn't get my pop up to lower what would be the next area you would recommend focusing on? I have greased the whiffle tree and cables. When I went to inspect the whiffle tree the plate was off and the cables were spun once around the whiffle tree.I fixed that as best as I could - hoping there wasn't permanent damage from the plate being loose. Thank you for any and all advice.
It looks like we're going to need your drivehub extension kit although we are running into a major problem. Our tube is not unscrewing when rotated to the left after the 5/8 nut is removed. I suspect it's corroded on. Do you have an recommendations to get this removed?
What all is involved adding an electric lift motor to a camper that did not come with this option? I have a new to us 2003 Coleman Niagara elite and think I might like to upgrade the lift system.
Hello Don! Your 03 Niagara calls for the ball bearing whiffle tree 5361. At the following link you can find the instructions for adding a power lift to this camper. cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0273/4347/files/ELECTRIC_LIFT_INSTALLATION_BALL_BEARING.pdf?10244277974924402285 It should take about 2 to 4 hours, more than a few hundred dollars in parts and some fabrications is typically required as well. I hope this information is helpful, and thank you for writing!
Great video.. Nothing I tried seemed to work to make my 1999 Colman stay up. Still keeps falling down slowly.. I can't seem to find anyone in Salt Lake City Utah to fix it.. Any ideas?
I figured it out finally.. Just had to take a breath and watch your videos a few more times.. 😄.. Thank you for spending your time to respond and making these great video's for all of us..
I checked my bits at the shop that I used, but they are not marked with the size. So sorry, we buy them in bulk from a nuts and bolt vendor, and I just grab an assortment from time to time. You can just match up the old pin with the same size bit. That's all I did. Perhaps someone else has a marked bit assortment and could answer as well?
Awesome Derek. Watched many of your videos and was able to understand and fix my 1996 Sedona issue. Roof was stuck in the up position. I found the 5/8 nut in the tube was completely off the threads. I was able to put it back on and tighten it. Roof goes up and down fine now. Any thought why it would have come off? This camper is new to me so I have no idea what the history of the unit is. Ran out of time today but tomorrow I will remove the tube and inspect the spacers, spring and washer as well as the threads on the shaft.
I have a 2007 Fleetwood niagara and im getting resistance if I'm cranking the roof down. Going up is okay, clutch is engaging fine but going down takes a lot of effort. What do you think is the problem?
Hmmm. If the compression is disengaging completely in the crank assembly, I would suspect its binding in the arms, or the whiffle tree. I see on FB where you have maintained it by greasing. It could be an issue inside the drawbar block or bearings.
You could also use a scissors jack to support the old hub to remove the crank pin. Aside from that, you really need to be careful drilling a new pin holes for the crank. It has to be at the center line of the extension diameter. Otherwise, your crank will not engage on the pin. I'm just wondering why they didn't drill that hole during manufacturing.
Good tips GnosisMan50! I agree that perhaps we should start having the new hub kits manufactured with 2 or more position holes for the pins. Thanks for writing!
I followed these steps however it is not a 5/8 bolt, it is a large flat head "screw". I can not get enough purchase on it to remove. Have you ever seen this?
@@popupcamperpro thanks. I am not yet sure if the extension tube is the issue, but the slipping seems to be for there. I was hoping to pull the wiffle tree cover off to inspect it today, but we have extreme rain and wind so it will have to wait. Hopefully it is the tube and I will be able to get it shipped up to Canada quickly or our trip in two weeks will be tenting it for a week.
@@popupcamperpro thank you..bought a used 96 Fleetwood Taos last fall, took it out last weekend 1st time. Had crank handle in it and my daughter ran back in to get something. Tipped it onto the handle, now it won't crank up or down, just spins. Hopefully it's either the drive hub or the extension. I'm checking out all your videos since no one in a 200 mile radius works on pop ups. Again, thanks
Thank you for this video and replacement parts. The drive hub extension on my 2004 Fleetwood Bayside failed and this video with the new drive hub extension was exactly what I needed to fix it.
You are very welcome! Glad to help.
Great video! Thanks again!
My 2002 Sedona will crank up but it won’t release to crank down seem like the extension tube is locked the only way to crank down is to release the pawl
You are correct. The tube is not releasing in this instance. I would recommend removing the tube and inspecting the threads.
I have the exact same problem that it ratchets up but then won't release to come back down. Did you figure out what your cause was?
I suspect the issue is inside the box just beyond the crank assembly tube. Do you have a video that shows how to take apart the inside and replace? I have the model with the two open side bearing cup.
More videos coming soon on lift system components
My roof will not raise up. The extension tube just spins, nothing els is spinning. The tube is also loose and I can’t get it to tighten snug. I have not tried removing the nut yet. Do you know why the tube would be loose and nothing happens when I try to crank it up?
We do! This is commonly a stripped drive hub and or drive shaft.
My drive tube is pretty loose and bent my crank handle. Can I just tighten it?
Not sure Mitch. I would recommend further diagnosing.
My drive hub extension has a flat head notch and no 5/8 inch nut. How do I removed it? It's locked up.
We can help! Please see our other content covering this question or give us a call at colemanpopupparts.com
Thank you, Derek. Just saved the day for my grandkids and family!
Glad I could help Bill!
I just baought the rebuild kit and my nut only goes on a few threads. Did i get the wrong one, i cant wait another week for the right nut on my driveshaft in the tube
Please give us a call at colemanpopupparts.com for assistance Jeffery!
I have a Somerset with an electric motor and I’d like to add an extension. My spare tire is in the way at this time of me having to manually crank the roof. In case the motor ever fails, I’d like to have an extension so I can easily crank and not have to remove spare. Any suggestions?
A long reach crank handle or a fabricated motor over ride crank adapter should do the trick.
Do you have to replace all the gears that they sell when buying the tube if its bad. Or just the extention tube?
The drive hub, drive shaft and clutch pad are common replacement parts. If the drive shaft and clutch pad are fine, replace just the tube.
Thanks for the video, Derek! We replaced our drive hub extension and we are back in business! We lost ours on our way home from camp. Quick question, how do you know when to stop unwinding when you are lowering the popup? If you go too far, does that loosen the drive hub?
I always recommend lock-tite the drive shaft nut on so this does not occur.
Great, we used the red lock tite so fingers crossed! Our camper is 30 years old and likely had the original drive hub extension. Always twisted and turned so surprised it didn't fall off sooner. Thanks again!
99 Redwood...top wont go gown after raising with zero issues. Seems as though it might be the hub extension, but is it possible that drive shaft itself should be replaced? New to camper life here!
It’s likely that the drive hub is not decompressing. I would start my diagnostics there.
@@popupcamperpro Will do, thank you.
So on the Utah model the whole back panel would need to be removed to replace this right?
It should not be necessary to remove the rear panel to change the drive tube on any model. Doing so does give you a bit more access, and lets you inspect the overall condition of the crank and chain.
Perfect!! Thank you for making this video. So, in order to replace my thrust bearing, I have to remove this first right? 2007 E3
Not on every system. On your E3 you should be able to undo the pins at the whiffle tree coupler, and unbolt the crank assembly without removing the drive hub tube. It's never a bad idea to disassemble the drive hub tube and check the overall condition of the parts as well.
@@popupcamperpro I was thinking that! Great, I'll go that route first and then if successful I'll check out the hub tube. We are so thankful for your videos.
If I have a sheared pin on my whiffle tree would that cause the pop up not to go up?
Absolutely, although it’s not common.
@@popupcamperpro it's was the nut on the front side by the eyebolts.
How far do my shear pins gotta be in at thrust nut? There are 2?
All the way Jeff
@@popupcamperpro thanks
Ya ...would of been nice to have 2 nuts to see which one fit right instead of having to order one
Two are included in the kits just for this Jeffery!
I ordered the 3000 crank assembly kit and received only one.
Sorry it was the rebuild kit. But it shows 2
Can you tell me what to do if i can not get the bolt to break free? You made it look so simple.
If you have the dreaded slotted nut instead of the 5/8, you may need to cut the tube above the nut to allow extraction
Where do you cut it? I have tried with all my might and am turning the waffle tree in the process. Don't want to damage wiffle
Also a 5/8 socket fits fine
Hi Derek. Thank you so much for all that you do for us Coleman owners. I rent out pop-ups on Outdoorsy here in Colorado. When something on my Coleman breaks, I can rely on your store and videos to get me out of a jam. I recently had a drive hub extension fail on a customer camping 100 miles away. Your workaround to get the roof down and the video to replace it was extremely helpful! Please keep doing what you do; the world needs more people like you. :)
Best review today! Thanks Mark
Hello Pop up camper pro. You may be my savior. I just acquired a 1996 Viking Legend pop up camper. It is in great shape but missing the extension hub. I ordered all the parts, I think, that I need but I don't know how to put it all together. I've been going crazy trying to find some instructions or diagrams or schematics but not having luck. Can you help me install this extension hub? Thank you, Jerry
Hello Jerry! I believe that the Viking uses Goshen lift system parts. We have two new videos coming out this week showing crank system rebuilds. Hopefully these may answer your questions.
I looked in mine with a flashlight and that pin that the crank tool holds on too is bent weird almost a c shape in the center of it, not sure it will tap out correctly with a punch, Any suggestions?
You may have to cut it off Stephen.
Awesome info - is it possible the drive hub extension just needs a cleaning or do the mentioned issues (roof stuck up, no clicking, etc.) call for replacement? When I removed the drive hub entension nut/tube, there was a lot of gunk, so wondering if I can reinstall after I clean it.
Give it a shot Gloria! It won’t hurt to try.
Hi i just baught a fleet wood neon model 4139 . Would u know where i could find an owners manual? And would u know if the leveling jacks are suposed to b down before i pop up the trailor ?
Welcome to the club Joanne! You can find the manuals, guides parts and more at my webstore colemanpopupparts.com/
I have a new drive hub extension on its way for my 2000 Sedona. If this doesn't get my pop up to lower what would be the next area you would recommend focusing on? I have greased the whiffle tree and cables. When I went to inspect the whiffle tree the plate was off and the cables were spun once around the whiffle tree.I fixed that as best as I could - hoping there wasn't permanent damage from the plate being loose. Thank you for any and all advice.
Possible binding would be my next inspection. Cables and lift arms.
It looks like we're going to need your drivehub extension kit although we are running into a major problem. Our tube is not unscrewing when rotated to the left after the 5/8 nut is removed. I suspect it's corroded on. Do you have an recommendations to get this removed?
It will come off. You will have to fight past the crossed threads. Don’t be afraid to cut it off close to the drive shaft, or use a bigger hammer.
What all is involved adding an electric lift motor to a camper that did not come with this option? I have a new to us 2003 Coleman Niagara elite and think I might like to upgrade the lift system.
Hello Don! Your 03 Niagara calls for the ball bearing whiffle tree 5361. At the following link you can find the instructions for adding a power lift to this camper.
cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0273/4347/files/ELECTRIC_LIFT_INSTALLATION_BALL_BEARING.pdf?10244277974924402285
It should take about 2 to 4 hours, more than a few hundred dollars in parts and some fabrications is typically required as well. I hope this information is helpful, and thank you for writing!
what are the symptoms that would warrant this needing replacing?
A slipping hub is the number one reason kameron. Example if you turn the handle to the right and the roof does not raise. I hope this is helpful!
Great Video. Replaced mine perfectly because of this.
Great to hear Monte!
Great video.. Nothing I tried seemed to work to make my 1999 Colman stay up. Still keeps falling down slowly.. I can't seem to find anyone in Salt Lake City Utah to fix it.. Any ideas?
Hello Kelly! You can fix it. What have you tried so far?
I figured it out finally.. Just had to take a breath and watch your videos a few more times.. 😄.. Thank you for spending your time to respond and making these great video's for all of us..
Thanks for the video. What size of drill bit did you use?
I checked my bits at the shop that I used, but they are not marked with the size. So sorry, we buy them in bulk from a nuts and bolt vendor, and I just grab an assortment from time to time. You can just match up the old pin with the same size bit. That's all I did. Perhaps someone else has a marked bit assortment and could answer as well?
Awesome Derek. Watched many of your videos and was able to understand and fix my 1996 Sedona issue. Roof was stuck in the up position. I found the 5/8 nut in the tube was completely off the threads. I was able to put it back on and tighten it. Roof goes up and down fine now. Any thought why it would have come off? This camper is new to me so I have no idea what the history of the unit is. Ran out of time today but tomorrow I will remove the tube and inspect the spacers, spring and washer as well as the threads on the shaft.
I recommend using Loctite to keep the nut on. Medium strength blue is what I use.
@@popupcamperpro thanks. I saw that on the video and I missed that step when putting it pack on
I have a 2007 Fleetwood niagara and im getting resistance if I'm cranking the roof down. Going up is okay, clutch is engaging fine but going down takes a lot of effort. What do you think is the problem?
Hmmm. If the compression is disengaging completely in the crank assembly, I would suspect its binding in the arms, or the whiffle tree. I see on FB where you have maintained it by greasing. It could be an issue inside the drawbar block or bearings.
@@popupcamperpro thanks. I think youre right about it binding. Thanks!
This helped so much in fixing our fleet wood!!
Glad to help Tyler!
You could also use a scissors jack to support the old hub to remove the crank pin. Aside from that, you really need to be careful drilling a new pin holes for the crank. It has to be at the center line of the extension diameter. Otherwise, your crank will not engage on the pin. I'm just wondering why they didn't drill that hole during manufacturing.
Good tips GnosisMan50! I agree that perhaps we should start having the new hub kits manufactured with 2 or more position holes for the pins. Thanks for writing!
What if my 2 washers don't fit on shaft?
Can I cut off my extension I've and make a new hole AFTER I have the whole new lift system installed. Forgot to do step #1!!😳
I do not see why not Jason.
@@popupcamperpro the vibration won't mess up the threads on the tube, shaft, or whiffle tree will it?
Thank you for all your help and videos @Pop up camper pro! I am now up and ready to go!😀
I followed these steps however it is not a 5/8 bolt, it is a large flat head "screw". I can not get enough purchase on it to remove. Have you ever seen this?
Yes. If your unable to remove it, cut the tube off to allow the removal.
@@popupcamperpro Thank you for your reply, what do you recommend to try removal before resorting to cutting tube off?
@@andreathompson9933 you can try chemical penetrant and an air hammer to free it.
Thanks
You are very welcome!
How do you support the tube on the 2005 Utah to remove the pin when it is so much higher up.
Good question James. A 1x2 or similar board cut to length will do the trick.
@@popupcamperpro thanks. I am not yet sure if the extension tube is the issue, but the slipping seems to be for there. I was hoping to pull the wiffle tree cover off to inspect it today, but we have extreme rain and wind so it will have to wait. Hopefully it is the tube and I will be able to get it shipped up to Canada quickly or our trip in two weeks will be tenting it for a week.
@@maryjuanarasta9220 yes. Replacing the drive hub extension tub fixed the issue.
Is it the same for an older model(96)?
On older models that have drive hub extension tubes, yes. Not all have this system. It was implemented in the early 90's.
@@popupcamperpro thank you..bought a used 96 Fleetwood Taos last fall, took it out last weekend 1st time.
Had crank handle in it and my daughter ran back in to get something. Tipped it onto the handle, now it won't crank up or down, just spins. Hopefully it's either the drive hub or the extension. I'm checking out all your videos since no one in a 200 mile radius works on pop ups. Again, thanks
What size drill bit did you use to drill the holes?
I need to know that also
Simply choose a bit the same diameter as the pin or the existing hole. Easy breezy.