Great work as always Marc, i love the new design. Also you have to take into consideration that the ambient temp between the base number and the last pull is 4° difference.
Thank you. I did intentionally add the conditions to the image because there are a few different corrections factors that people use and this will allow people to evaluate it whichever way they want to. The graph is using standard correction for the heat, pressure and humidity but the difference is large enough that even without any correction factors there are still gains so I feel quite confident that these are actually making better power.
I have a quick question any idea where I can find headers and performance exhaust for my v6 venza? And I would like to eliminate the mph governor any idea how I can upgrade ? Maybe exu please help thanks🙌🏼
Nice job Marc. One thought on the low end gain, I wonder if it's not partially due to adding length to the y-pipe between the header merge and the y-pipe merge... It's the same area where I gained power by going from the y-pipe to the x-pipe, so I just wonder. Of course, the longer runner length would also favor low end power, so that could be it as well.
It certainly could be, thankfully i think the gains will still apply even if that is the case with another y-pipe since the headers are situated in a way that forces a longer y-pipe and also forces it to be much closer to equal lengh.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Yeah, for sure, any y-pipe design with these is likely to be longer. It isn't too hard to make an equal length pipe with the old design though, the 180 into the merge is very close in length to the pipe that goes forward under the motor.
@@WilhelmRaceWorks Yeah, i agree. this design also allows the y-pipe exit to be in the standard somewhat diagonal direction making it easier to fit larger pipes if desired. I can't wait to see what other people do with these.
yes, the 2GR will bolt up to the E351 but i think you may still run into a few fitment issues. But it will be a fun ride once you're done. These headers will certainly help the fitment issues.
Curious if you are gonna update your installation/parts list for a 2 gr swap considering all the new things you and the community have done for this swap
Where are you located? I’m looking to turbo my 08 Avalon and would love to speak with someone with experience with these engines (used to be a Nissan guy)
i think also with the 2grfe you have to run it / drive it to totaly let the ecm adjust its settings , new trims ect , and it should be even better , the magic # of miles needed is 27 miles , these 2grfe's need to relearn/ reset/ and adjust
If this new header does not clear the stock oil cooler, do you have any imagery or instruction for how it may clear an aftermarket one? Wilhelms adapter and hoses, for example.
technically it clears the oil cooler, it's the hoses that will need to be re-routed. Any non engine mounted cooler will work without any additional considerations
this might be a stupid comment on this but would i have to make any modifications to the existing exhaust to install your manifold or would it be a simpleish unbolt the old stock one and then bolt that in to it PS my car is a 2010 toyota highlander with the 2GR-FE in it
No, these are for the 2GR-FE motor. Your 2013 Camry has a 2AR-FE motor. Also, even if you did have a V6 camry these were never intended to put the exhaust location at the factory location for any application. These were designed to be compact to hug the block for swap applications. That said, if you're willing to make a custom B pipe these should fit any configuration of the engine as long as it does not have an engine mounted hydraulic power steering pump.
This setup isn’t for me. I’m sold on the 260hp 2ARFXE for my next project though. I’m thinking a fully street Scion tC and probably automatic. I love watching your work and progress though! I’m just getting into Toyota and doing what I can with my recently acquired Scion xB/1NZFE. You’ve actually got me pondering if the cam thing is possible on the 1NZFXE too.
The "Double Atkinson" 2AR-FXE setup is pretty fantastic and i will be keeping that setup on my racecar for a while. Using it with an automatic might be a bit tricky though because the double intake cam setup won't work with the stock ecu and the stock ecu handles the transmission controls in that chassis. It's likely possible on the 1NZ, you should give it a go and report back
the biggest issue you're going to potentially run into is the crossmember/steering and external dimensions won't really help much with that. This is really the kind of thing where you just have to try it to see.
There is no port directly on the header due to engine bay interference issues on different applications. The intention is that an O2 sensor will be placed directly after the v band in a position that best suits that application.
Are you going to be able to exempt ecu's for the California fans? From talking with Ivan he stated everything is based on the ecu and vin of the donor vehicle. So the only way to do a legal 2gr manual swap right now is if you get one from a wrecked lotus evora
@@qwuyn oh, that's a paperwork nightmare. i can't make any promises. word is there's a 2-3 year delay on processing things right now but i don't know that personally.
@@qwuyn While i can't predict the future, i really can't think of a future that it makes sense to sell what would have to be a $15k supercharger kit for an MR2 to make up for all the work that an E.O. takes.
it might, i haven't tested it but these are not available in a mirror set so the left header would point forward/down at a 45 degree angle. not really ideal for a longitudinal application.
@@SeranaKnight it might be, some of the 2GRs out there have electric power steering, some have engine powered hydraulic power steering. I can't even tell you off the top of my head what year range a gen6 camry is so i just provided you the appropriate information for you to be able to answer your questions.
@@irvinzarco8200 likely just put a cat and use these new headers from him, with the stock hacked ecu he will be providing in the future? Or just leave California lol
Who did you use for your investment casting? I am having trouble sourcing a company to cast a manifold I’m making. Thankfully I have a friend who’s family own a business doing artistic casting but I’m not sure how it’ll come out and I’d like to get more than one quote
@@FrankensteinMotorworks lol. Ain’t no frunks in lotuses. I honestly don’t know where I would put it. Maybe in place of the washer reservoir. There’s no empty space up there.
@@donoursizemore9686 a quick internet search shows there's room next to the brake booster on the evora and on the elise it is tighter but it looks like if you go on the opposite side from the brake booster you can find room but yeah, it certainly seems tight.
you can buy it here. I think they are shipping and Ty hasn't updated the website. You may want to reach out to him and ask: www.tcsmotorsports.com/products/tcs-motorsports-2grfe-modular-y-pipe
thank you for all the work you've done for the MR2 community
Amen brother!
Seeing all this work you're putting into the 2GR is making me really excited for my eventual swap after I get some kinks worked out.
Man I love these videos Marc! It's really cool watching your engineering process!
Thank you for watching, i know the progress can feel a bit slow sometimes but the results are usually pretty neat at the end.
With that runner angle and length you can literally hear the new manifolds breathing better. Nice work 🤝
Great work as always Marc, i love the new design. Also you have to take into consideration that the ambient temp between the base number and the last pull is 4° difference.
Thank you. I did intentionally add the conditions to the image because there are a few different corrections factors that people use and this will allow people to evaluate it whichever way they want to. The graph is using standard correction for the heat, pressure and humidity but the difference is large enough that even without any correction factors there are still gains so I feel quite confident that these are actually making better power.
Thank you very much for very strong headers that will fit in the spyder with v bands so it can be turbocharged!!
yeah, turbocharging should be easy with these :)
thanks for everything you're doing!
Thank you, i am really thankful to my audience and customers for allowing me to do this kind of thing for a living!
I love how the new design headers sound beautiful I swear it sounds like a 2j
That is a really nice looking manifold that performs too!
Thanks! Can't wait to see people hang turbos off this thing too :)
I'm so jealous of guys who can just hang at the dyno and tune all day.
We appreciate your hard work documenting your hard work.
Loving the videos! Hopefully I can pull finger one day and do exhaust manifolds on my blade! Loving the work mate!
Nice Work Marc! Well thought out design!
Thank you :)
Good job Marc
Thank you for watching :)
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WOOOOOO, DAYUMN, BABY, SHE SOUND GOOOOOOOD
Where do i buy headers for a 2grfe motor?
I have a quick question any idea where I can find headers and performance exhaust for my v6 venza? And I would like to eliminate the mph governor any idea how I can upgrade ? Maybe exu please help thanks🙌🏼
There's a legend that these will fit a Toyota Blade Master G, but there's never been any evidence :( I NEEEEEDDDDDD!!
Great video. Love seeing the Dyno runs
A day at the dyno is always a good day. This day was a bit hot but it was still a good day. Lots of fun results.
Hey my Lexus 2009 es350 has a 2gr-fe you think that would fit ?
This is amazing a own a Lexus is350 f sport 3is. But I'm in Australia 🦘🌏
Nice work!
Thanks!
Nice job Marc. One thought on the low end gain, I wonder if it's not partially due to adding length to the y-pipe between the header merge and the y-pipe merge... It's the same area where I gained power by going from the y-pipe to the x-pipe, so I just wonder. Of course, the longer runner length would also favor low end power, so that could be it as well.
It certainly could be, thankfully i think the gains will still apply even if that is the case with another y-pipe since the headers are situated in a way that forces a longer y-pipe and also forces it to be much closer to equal lengh.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Yeah, for sure, any y-pipe design with these is likely to be longer. It isn't too hard to make an equal length pipe with the old design though, the 180 into the merge is very close in length to the pipe that goes forward under the motor.
@@WilhelmRaceWorks Yeah, i agree. this design also allows the y-pipe exit to be in the standard somewhat diagonal direction making it easier to fit larger pipes if desired. I can't wait to see what other people do with these.
This is beautiful!
cant wait to 2gr swap my scion xb. its got the e351 trans so it should be a direct swap!
yes, the 2GR will bolt up to the E351 but i think you may still run into a few fitment issues. But it will be a fun ride once you're done. These headers will certainly help the fitment issues.
Can't wait to project Widowmaker on the road.
I'm also pretty excited about it. Right now i'm just waiting on the new headers to be available so i can make the new exhaust for it.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I'm guessing the supply chain disruption and the whole world going to shit kind of slow things down.
@@bminus7377 it wasn't supposed to affect the kinds of things i did but yet, here we are.
Can you share some info. On the 2gr fe. Want to know how talk and with in inches. Thanks.
Curious if you are gonna update your installation/parts list for a 2 gr swap considering all the new things you and the community have done for this swap
I generally have been keeping it up to date but you're right that i forgot to update the header link. I updated it right now.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks doesn’t the wiring portion need to be updated as per the WASP?
If you don’t mind my asking, what company manufactures the manifolds?
Where are you located? I’m looking to turbo my 08 Avalon and would love to speak with someone with experience with these engines (used to be a Nissan guy)
Do you think with a little creative piping that these headers would clear a transfer case in an awd setup possibly?
I'm 90% sure they would clear the transfer case but they would require a pretty decent bend right after the collector.
i think also with the 2grfe you have to run it / drive it to totaly let the ecm adjust its settings , new trims ect , and it should be even better , the magic # of miles needed is 27 miles , these 2grfe's need to relearn/ reset/ and adjust
Good job!
Sounds like the New headers have a deeper sound to them? Or am i mistanken?
I went back and forth a lot on this. I think that's the case but it's a really subtle difference if there is any.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I could see adding mass to the header making it resonate at a lower frequency producing a deeper sound
@@WilhelmRaceWorks yeah, it's certainly plausible but in person it was not a big difference if any.
If this new header does not clear the stock oil cooler, do you have any imagery or instruction for how it may clear an aftermarket one? Wilhelms adapter and hoses, for example.
technically it clears the oil cooler, it's the hoses that will need to be re-routed. Any non engine mounted cooler will work without any additional considerations
Hey could these mods still work the same in a highlander with a 2gr
Does anybody know if they make headers for the 2is350?
wil you ever produce headers for the 2gr fks?
I certainly hope Toyota learns from you
this might be a stupid comment on this but would i have to make any modifications to the existing exhaust to install your manifold or would it be a simpleish unbolt the old stock one and then bolt that in to it PS my car is a 2010 toyota highlander with the 2GR-FE in it
No, these parts are designed with performance as the main consideration, they are not intended to be bolt-in replacements for the factory units.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ok thank you so much for the information!
Will those fit good in a 2013 tiara Toyota Camry Se?
No, these are for the 2GR-FE motor. Your 2013 Camry has a 2AR-FE motor. Also, even if you did have a V6 camry these were never intended to put the exhaust location at the factory location for any application. These were designed to be compact to hug the block for swap applications. That said, if you're willing to make a custom B pipe these should fit any configuration of the engine as long as it does not have an engine mounted hydraulic power steering pump.
Excellent work, any plans to make these for other engines like the VQ ?
This setup isn’t for me. I’m sold on the 260hp 2ARFXE for my next project though. I’m thinking a fully street Scion tC and probably automatic.
I love watching your work and progress though! I’m just getting into Toyota and doing what I can with my recently acquired Scion xB/1NZFE.
You’ve actually got me pondering if the cam thing is possible on the 1NZFXE too.
The "Double Atkinson" 2AR-FXE setup is pretty fantastic and i will be keeping that setup on my racecar for a while. Using it with an automatic might be a bit tricky though because the double intake cam setup won't work with the stock ecu and the stock ecu handles the transmission controls in that chassis.
It's likely possible on the 1NZ, you should give it a go and report back
I'm gathering info on the 2gr fe engine to swap in my 1975 celica. I wan to know the clearences.
the biggest issue you're going to potentially run into is the crossmember/steering and external dimensions won't really help much with that. This is really the kind of thing where you just have to try it to see.
If there's no obd bank sensor port on the header do we have get one put on the aftermarket catalytic converter ?
There is no port directly on the header due to engine bay interference issues on different applications. The intention is that an O2 sensor will be placed directly after the v band in a position that best suits that application.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ok thank you.
Will this work for my 2gr-fse?
Are you going to be able to exempt ecu's for the California fans? From talking with Ivan he stated everything is based on the ecu and vin of the donor vehicle. So the only way to do a legal 2gr manual swap right now is if you get one from a wrecked lotus evora
With an executive order it would be legal to use the Toyota ECU. this is my goal.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ahhh I'm torn now I'm between the 2gr and 2ar. What is the rough eta for the executive order?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks is an executive order for a 2gr supercharger at all on your radar?
@@qwuyn oh, that's a paperwork nightmare. i can't make any promises. word is there's a 2-3 year delay on processing things right now but i don't know that personally.
@@qwuyn While i can't predict the future, i really can't think of a future that it makes sense to sell what would have to be a $15k supercharger kit for an MR2 to make up for all the work that an E.O. takes.
will this fit the 3.5 v6 camry
That's what the 2gr fe is, a v6 3.5 upgradable to a 4.0 block
@@SeranaKnightno lol
Would this header fit the 1gr-fe?
it might, i haven't tested it but these are not available in a mirror set so the left header would point forward/down at a 45 degree angle. not really ideal for a longitudinal application.
will these fit on a gen6 camry?
These will fit on any 2gr-fe engine that does not use an engine mounted hydraulic power steering pump.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I don't get it, isn't that how it normally is??
If your doing performance, ur going to want the pump off anyway and have the steering modified.
@@SeranaKnight it might be, some of the 2GRs out there have electric power steering, some have engine powered hydraulic power steering. I can't even tell you off the top of my head what year range a gen6 camry is so i just provided you the appropriate information for you to be able to answer your questions.
Do you know any way on how to make the 2grfe legal in CA?
Depends in what car. are you talking about in the SW20?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Yes the sw20. I also have the K24 but Im leaning towards the 2grfe
@@irvinzarco8200 likely just put a cat and use these new headers from him, with the stock hacked ecu he will be providing in the future? Or just leave California lol
@@mushlove6933 sometimes the dod moves us to Cali.
I need to figure out what cats to use incase I get sent to Cali.
Who did you use for your investment casting? I am having trouble sourcing a company to cast a manifold I’m making. Thankfully I have a friend who’s family own a business doing artistic casting but I’m not sure how it’ll come out and I’d like to get more than one quote
I have had good luck finding suppliers for new processes through MFG.com
Who has 2gr-fe mild steel header flanges in stock?
Want to test fit in the lotus? I’ll bring you my SCCA car which is just sitting all winter.
Whoops. Just saw the power steering caveat. Foiled!
seems like a good opportunity to get rid of those long hydraulic hoses and place an electric over hydraulic pump in the frunk
@@FrankensteinMotorworks lol. Ain’t no frunks in lotuses. I honestly don’t know where I would put it. Maybe in place of the washer reservoir. There’s no empty space up there.
@@donoursizemore9686 a quick internet search shows there's room next to the brake booster on the evora and on the elise it is tighter but it looks like if you go on the opposite side from the brake booster you can find room but yeah, it certainly seems tight.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I'll be taking the front body work off soon and I can send pictures if you want.
Who the fuck disliked this video???
Too bad no y-pipes yet.
you can buy it here. I think they are shipping and Ty hasn't updated the website. You may want to reach out to him and ask: www.tcsmotorsports.com/products/tcs-motorsports-2grfe-modular-y-pipe