The irony of saying “Nobody has a claim that overrides all the others and entitles that person with that so-called claim to drive people out” …. in light of the 1948, 1967, and 1973 wars launched by Arabs with the purpose of eliminating Israel, and considering that Israel has accepted every offer and peace deal made to it … it’s hard to tell to which side Said is speaking. Sounds like he’s supporting Israel, especially when his answer to whether Jews have a claim to a state in that land is “Of course.”
The real irony here is that the Zionists' leadership can easily debunk your pathetic logic and lies. From Herzl to Gurion and Dayan, they wrote many books, diaries, speeches, minuets, ... about their robbery of Palestine. Here are some good examples and a short lesson for stupid and hypocrite Zionists like yourself: - The Russian Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky explained very well the Zionist aims in Palestine in his article "The Iron Wall, We and the Arabs 1923" he wrote: "Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population -- an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in total, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy. Not only must this be so, it is so whether we admit it or not. What does the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate mean for us? It is the fact that a disinterested power committed itself to create such security conditions that the local population would be deterred from interfering with our efforts." "My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent." "EVERY indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see any hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel"." "If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find a benefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. Zionism is a colonizing adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces." - Moshe Dayan as quoted in Haaretz, 4 April 1969: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." The same war criminal, Dayan, stated in 1956, just 8 years after Al Nakba, and before PLO or HAMAS even existed: "Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before [the Palestinians'] very eyes we are possessing the land and villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived ... We are the generation of colonizers, and without the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home. " Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel, and Avi Shlaim Iron Wall, p. 101. - David Ben Gurion said: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is NATURAL: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". -The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99. By the way, Gurion was an atheist, but he accepted god "promised land"!! And based on a book he published in 1918 in New York, he believed that the Arab natives of Palestine were the "flesh and the blood of old Judeans", but later when the same Arab natives rejected his "Jewish state" in their land, he didn't mind to expel them and steal their land. - On the other hand, prominent humanists like Einstein and Gandhi talked about the criminality of the Zionists' project to establish a "Jewish state" in Palestine. In a letter to a Zionist called Shepard Rifkin, Einstein wrote: "Dear Sir: When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organizations build up from our own ranks. I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people. Sincerely yours, (Signed, 'A. Einstein')." Note: The letter was one month before the establishment of the Israeli apartheid in Palestine. - Gandhi wrote in 1938: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home." - And considering the actual history, not the imaginary biblical "history" which the Zionist regime uses to legitimize its theft of Palestine, Tel Aviv University Professor of Archaeology Ze’ev Herzog summed up the major archaeological findings of 70 years of intensive excavations in Palestine with the following: "The patriarchs’ acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it." - Ha’aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999 . - The case of the Zionists is so stupid, and only fools repeat their propaganda. As Malclom X once wrote: "In short the Zionist argument to justify Israel's present occupation of Arab Palestine has no intelligent or legal basis in history ... not even in their own religion." - Zionist Logic -- Malcolm X on Zionism, The Egyptian Gazette Sept. 17, 1964. It is the occupation, stupid.
@@abumizwhat lies? Said literally says the Jews have a perfectly valid claim to the land, but so do many other peoples. It’s as if you completely fail to grasp what Said was arguing for.
@NestorMakhno1789 If you don't understand the difference between native Arab Jews and colonial settler Jews, mainly Europeans who have no claim to the land, like the European Muslims who have no claim the Muslim holy land, then I have nothing to say to your thick head.
@@abumiz Did Edward Said make that distinction or are you warping his ideals to fit your contrived, sectarian worldview? Edward Said wanted Israel-Palestine to exist as a single democratic state belonging to Jews, Muslims, and Christians of all denominations and identities. You are being simultaneously hateful and pedantic in your misrepresentation of what Edward Said actually argued for.
First of all, you asked me what lies, as if you agree with the bs of jerrytyrell but my comment, which was a reply to his bs and it did not talk about any land claims, was upsetting to you!!! The only thing you wanted to say is that the "Jews have a perfectly valid claim to the land", and this is a misleading stupid statement, and out of its place considering my comment, which you did not address any of it's points, so you came here to say your bs only. So save your bs and just answer one simple question, or actually it is a chance to back up your general stupid claim: Do European colonial settler Jews, or all Jews, have a "valid claim" to Palestine? And what is the base of this claim? And if you think Said agreed to Zionists' claim for whatever reason, do you think Palestinians now have to accept what every indigenous people on earth refused just because some stupid westerns don't like any "misrepresentation of what Edward Said actually argued for"? From the mid 70s the Palestinians are calling for a secular democratic state, but this does not work with a thing called a "Jewish state"
![Edward Said & Salman Rushdie [1986]](/img/n.gif)
We need scholars like him in these tough times
He was a strong voice for Palestine and his words are as true today as when they were written. Wish he was still amongst us
International and trans-generational treasure.
Beautiful human being.
2019, and every word he said still valid and applicable
Everything he spoke about around 14 years ago is still so important nowadays. Nothing has changed.
And three years after this comment
and especially still in 2023 :/
@@ameerqamar2328 slowly things are changing
Watching this now is just heartbreaking
10 years ago and still no change. A change will come now.
can be said again today
an intellectual giant
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The irony of saying “Nobody has a claim that overrides all the others and entitles that person with that so-called claim to drive people out” …. in light of the 1948, 1967, and 1973 wars launched by Arabs with the purpose of eliminating Israel, and considering that Israel has accepted every offer and peace deal made to it … it’s hard to tell to which side Said is speaking. Sounds like he’s supporting Israel, especially when his answer to whether Jews have a claim to a state in that land is “Of course.”
The real irony here is that the Zionists' leadership can easily debunk your pathetic logic and lies. From Herzl to Gurion and Dayan, they wrote many books, diaries, speeches, minuets, ... about their robbery of Palestine.
Here are some good examples and a short lesson for stupid and hypocrite Zionists like yourself:
- The Russian Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky explained very well the Zionist aims in Palestine in his article "The Iron Wall, We and the Arabs 1923" he wrote:
"Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population -- an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in total, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy. Not only must this be so, it is so whether we admit it or not. What does the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate mean for us? It is the fact that a disinterested power committed itself to create such security conditions that the local population would be deterred from interfering with our efforts."
"My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent."
"EVERY indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see any hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel"."
"If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find a benefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. Zionism is a colonizing adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces."
- Moshe Dayan as quoted in Haaretz, 4 April 1969: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
The same war criminal, Dayan, stated in 1956, just 8 years after Al Nakba, and before PLO or HAMAS even existed: "Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before [the Palestinians'] very eyes we are possessing the land and villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived ... We are the generation of colonizers, and without the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home. " Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel, and Avi Shlaim Iron Wall, p. 101.
- David Ben Gurion said: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is NATURAL: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". -The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99.
By the way, Gurion was an atheist, but he accepted god "promised land"!! And based on a book he published in 1918 in New York, he believed that the Arab natives of Palestine were the "flesh and the blood of old Judeans", but later when the same Arab natives rejected his "Jewish state" in their land, he didn't mind to expel them and steal their land.
- On the other hand, prominent humanists like Einstein and Gandhi talked about the criminality of the Zionists' project to establish a "Jewish state" in Palestine.
In a letter to a Zionist called Shepard Rifkin, Einstein wrote:
"Dear Sir:
When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organizations build up from our own ranks.
I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed, 'A. Einstein')."
Note: The letter was one month before the establishment of the Israeli apartheid in Palestine.
- Gandhi wrote in 1938: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home."
- And considering the actual history, not the imaginary biblical "history" which the Zionist regime uses to legitimize its theft of Palestine, Tel Aviv University Professor of Archaeology Ze’ev Herzog summed up the major archaeological findings of 70 years of intensive excavations in Palestine with the following:
"The patriarchs’ acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it." - Ha’aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999 .
- The case of the Zionists is so stupid, and only fools repeat their propaganda. As Malclom X once wrote: "In short the Zionist argument to justify Israel's present occupation of Arab Palestine has no intelligent or legal basis in history ... not even in their own religion." - Zionist Logic -- Malcolm X on Zionism, The Egyptian Gazette Sept. 17, 1964.
It is the occupation, stupid.
@@abumizwhat lies? Said literally says the Jews have a perfectly valid claim to the land, but so do many other peoples. It’s as if you completely fail to grasp what Said was arguing for.
@NestorMakhno1789 If you don't understand the difference between native Arab Jews and colonial settler Jews, mainly Europeans who have no claim to the land, like the European Muslims who have no claim the Muslim holy land, then I have nothing to say to your thick head.
@@abumiz Did Edward Said make that distinction or are you warping his ideals to fit your contrived, sectarian worldview? Edward Said wanted Israel-Palestine to exist as a single democratic state belonging to Jews, Muslims, and Christians of all denominations and identities. You are being simultaneously hateful and pedantic in your misrepresentation of what Edward Said actually argued for.
First of all, you asked me what lies, as if you agree with the bs of jerrytyrell but my comment, which was a reply to his bs and it did not talk about any land claims, was upsetting to you!!! The only thing you wanted to say is that the "Jews have a perfectly valid claim to the land", and this is a misleading stupid statement, and out of its place considering my comment, which you did not address any of it's points, so you came here to say your bs only.
So save your bs and just answer one simple question, or actually it is a chance to back up your general stupid claim:
Do European colonial settler Jews, or all Jews, have a "valid claim" to Palestine? And what is the base of this claim?
And if you think Said agreed to Zionists' claim for whatever reason, do you think Palestinians now have to accept what every indigenous people on earth refused just because some stupid westerns don't like any "misrepresentation of what Edward Said actually argued for"?
From the mid 70s the Palestinians are calling for a secular democratic state, but this does not work with a thing called a "Jewish state"