hey drach, could you please address submarine hull design at some point, specifically how a hull form could result in higher submerged than surfaced speeds. As I see it surely having more of a vessel pushing water aside as it goes will always result in more drag regardless of shape.
I just want to say thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos. I learn something new in each of your episodes. The comments are also a valuable source of information.
I don''t know about all navies, but the US Navy does not have a height limit for serving on submarines. I served with several people significantly over 6" tall, one of the guys I served with was 6'8" tall. For reference as to how cramped things are aboard even a modern submarine, I am 5'1"(not a typo), and I still hit my head on stuff fairly frequently aboard the Los Angeles-class sub I served on.
I went aboard a submarine in Hamburg docks, it is not comfortable at all and being 6,5ft I couldn't imagine spending any prolonged time on one being anything other than hideous.
I believe David Robinson (the NBA Hall of Famer) graduated from the Naval Academy (he had an adult growth sport while he was at Annapolis), but being 7 feet tall he wasn't eligible to server aboard a ship. He served in the engineering corps for two years. So there must have been some kind of height limit in the late 1980s.
This seems like one of the things that would be in the best interest of everyone involved to avoid,from the man himself to his immediate superiors to the captain to anyone above the captain who's concerned with efficiency. But of course, it IS the military, so such things happen.. maybe these men were so particularly useful in that position that it couldnt be avoided
Another hazard with H2S is that it paralyzes the nerves in the nose after a certain amount of exposure. The victim then feels nothing until it is too late. Ventilation is critical to prevent trouble. Another issue is that when mixed with water and exposed to steel or iron, it can form a compound that when dried out will spontaneously ignite.
Yes. You can't rely on your sense of smell to protect you. Short term exposure, and you "get used" to the smell, and you'll be unable to detect a rise in concentration.
We use do say that the only thing worse than smelling H2S is not smelling H2S. We had sensors and alarms with a rotating beacon. The instrument techs would sometimes forget to put out the signs that they were calibrating which could cause people running when the red beacon started rotating.
Love that you addressed height change over generations. The best way I've summed it up to my friends is that the average American soldier going into WW1 was only about 5' 6 and weighed in at ~150 pounds.
Average male height in the UK has increased by around 4.5" since WW1. The US had the third tallest global average height at that time. Now it's 37th. In both countries, width has increased significantly since 1914...
With regards to busy work aboard ship, to this day a common phase heard from chiefs towards junior enlisted sailors in the USN is "If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean."
I've heard something along those lines from a few Navy people I've met, non-US navies. I wonder if it's the same aboard things like civilian tankers, bulk carriers, container ships, and other merchant ships.
A Snipe can best tell you what it means: Snipe: a rarely seen bird considered imaginary by most . . . just like the below decks navy* is perceived by everyone else. Moreover, a ship in the fleet on active duty has a crew that consists of four types of workers, three of them essential. These are Deck Apes, Snipes, Gunners, and superfluous types (you know-officers, specialists . . . all that). Without deck apes no ship sails. Without snipes no ship goes anywhere, unless yanked along by a tug . . . or mules. Without Gunners a ship is reclassified as a target. Without officers? Well, to be perfectly accurate, in WW2, several ships had their bridges blown away and almost all officers killed, while the ships, themselves, remained at least marginally functioned. Try that with Snipes or Deck Apes . . . or Gunners. *Boiler Techs/Stokers, Machinists' Mates, Hull Technicians/Welders.
Exactly. During my time in the USN, that is exactly how we understood it. As their regular duties seldom brought them above decks, we jokingly regarded the engineering rates as near mythical creatures, snipes, as we almost never saw them. I spent 3 years on a cruiser and I don't think I ever knew the names of more than 1 or 2 of the snipes. Not because I viewed them in any negative light, mind you, but because I seldom interacted with any of them. They pretty much kept to themselves.
@Albert Fels I'm so glad I was _not_ there to watch you 2 resolve whose wood was better. I'm sorry you're wood came up short in the challenge, but you should learn to have some "wood modesty," particularly with strangers.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 So, she's a B.B then? Fair enough, indeed ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Big fan of your username btw. I recall getting quite the heartfelt chuckle hearing it when Drach answered your question a few Drydocks ago
We had a hydrogen sulfide problem on our fishing boat. Cracked cement in the fish hold let scallop juice & melted ice water down into the insulation layer. No matter how much we cleaned and bleached it would always smell after a couple days. One trip we got border by the coast guard and one of them had a gas meter on his belt. As soon as he started down the ladder it went off. He says “holy shit I’m not going down there, that’s dangerous!” We were half way through our trip all ready and had been down there every day for short periods. The owner fixed the boat after this finally. I know if other people on fishing boats that haven’t been so lucky
When I visited the Constitution a couple 3 decades ago, I recall my head brushing the cross beams on the gun deck. I’m 5’9 - 5’10 depending on time of day. OTOH, visited the Constellation, on the hanger deck, LOTS of headroom there.
hydrogen sulfide also is heavier than air... you breath it in, it stays in your lungs, knocks you out, then you fall into the pool of it and sufficate without ever regaining conciousness... we have to deal with it at the papermill we work at
Re 50:30 I think the political officer would be more than happy to hear anything you wanted to confess! However absolution would be more severe than 10 Hail Maries
Soviet Navy sailor: *Tovarisch Zampolit, I would like you to hear my confession* Soviet Navy political officer: *Of course, my son. Just let me get my clipboard* Soviet Navy sailor: *Thank you comrade* Soviet Navy political officer: *And my tape recorder* Soviet Navy sailor: *Well ... okay, that's fair* Soviet Navy political officer: *And my pistol* Soviet Navy sailor: *Wut?*
Speaking of submarine hatches, there's an old Oberon attached to the Maritime Museum down here. A woman was on the tour of the sub and was wearing a loose skirt. It wasn't a particularly good idea. Looked the other way and made sure she had some cover, while she untangled things.
Re: USS Arizona, regardless of the total impracticality, the idea of serving aboard a ship where so many men had died would certainly have made it a Jonah amongst its crew, superstitious or not. Horrible thought.
Interesting point. Imagine serving on Derfflinger or Seydlitz after Jutland. They lost around 10% of their crew or so. Especially Seydlitz' C-Turret went through 2 entire crews. So, a lot of new faces in such a small group like a cruiser crew
One comment on shipboard work: work & watch are 2 different things. The ship operates on 2 concurrent cycles during the day. One cycle is the work day, where different groups would be doing their work. The other cycle is the watches, typically 4 hours long. Those on watch have different responsibilities than those not on watch. For example, sailors not on watch would paint, holystone the main deck, and other maintenance work. Sailors on watch would have assigned positions with specific responsibilities like lookout, messenger, helmsman, etc. When they are on watch, folks have specific responsibilities; when they are off watch, they do what the chief tells them to do. If you're lucky, you're on watch for half the workday. If you're unlucky, You work your workday and then go on watch.
Best way to restore Arizona and Oklahoma to service? Follow the example of the sunken aircraft carriers from the 1942 campaigns; finish the Illinois and Kentucky and assign them the names of the destroyed ships. It would have been faster, cheaper and the USN would have new ships versus WW1 retreads.
The fact that the attack didn’t result in a significant (distinct) release of pollutants probably speaks more to the pervasive contamination present in harbor sediment both beforehand, presumably the result of naval activity. PCBs, which are quite immobile, seem to be the main constituent of concern in sediment around Ford Island. Other harmful constituents in fuel oil would have probably been swept out to see or broken down at some point.
RE: Soviet "Chaplains" I've heard various things regarding Soviet political officers and the roll of the political officers varied. But generally yes, as envisioned pre-Stalin, they were supposed to be a cross between a union representative, as a check on officer abuses and a socialist chaplain, giving instructions how to be a good communist and general encouragement.
And if the Warsaw Pact armies are any indication, a 30+ minute "political education", which was a mixture of 1984-style session of hatred alternating with the paising Soviet results, ever surpassing the planned amount.
Arizona ‘recovery or rebuild’ would probably have been something akin to the status of USS Constellation as one of the original 1790s U.S. Navy frigates after the 1854 ‘great repair’ - a few wooden bits of the original might have been used in the new ship.
Has there ever been a case where flatulence was mistaken for a dangerous hydrogen sulfide build up? Which resulted in test equipment being brought in and venting procedures begun? Was the ship's mess ever reprimanded in these situations?
I was talking to docent at Jamestown (VA) many years ago. He noted that the average height of the era was much higher than many supposed. He noted that one of the leaders whose height is known was called the obnoxious runt.
Babies born in an unexpected year of high unemployment grew to be noticably shorter children even if the parent's income had been stable, as observed by a Community Nurse.
Toured the Soviet Foxtrot class sub moored next to Queen Mary in Long Beach, CA (before it was closed)... there's a reason they gave you a hard hat when you went in! I'm not a giant and I would have smacked my head on at least 2 bulkheads climbing through lol, those hatches are TINY!
40:58 Even as a child(Small child, Small Adult 5' 9") after the first few trips to see the U.S.S. Cavalla at Seawolf Park in Galveston, you learn the proper technique to go thru the interior hatches of a WW 2 era submarine. 1) grab conveniently(intentionally) placed bar above open hatch. 2)perform mini-pull-up. 3) kick both legs thru open hatch. 4) Flex Knees into half crouch upon landing. 5)Throw upper torso thru open hatch while making DAMN sure eye level is still well below the top edge of open hatch to avoid 2nd concussion. 6) Advance. I have heard from a couple of old sub drivers back in the late 80's/90's that the hatches on U.S. subs were still the same dimensions & even built on the same machining, but I would have expected that the navy would at least up date the spec requirements with the new operating depths that the Nuc boats now operate at. If you need to fly to a secondary county to "quarantine" in I would recommend Mexico instead of Canada. The last I heard, Canada in still a closed boarder.
If you were to visit Canada I recommend waiting until the re-opening has happened. Fort York will have re-opened, which would be an interesting addendum to the 1812 lakes video. They have a collection of historic cannon that they occasionally fire. With regards to Haida you should be careful about picking a date and time. They offer tours of the machinery spaces only on certain days and times, of course you may get special access which would negate this issue.
The rear main turrets and a lot of the topside 5" and smaller guns were removed, reconditioned, and used elsewhere. The masts and superstructure were stripped down to the waterline for scrap. So yes, things were "salvaged", but the ship itself could not be raised. It is now a tomb and a memorial.
Re: sailors' busywork. From my understanding one of the main reasons for swabbing the deck on wooden warships was not only to keep the decks clean but to keep the timbers more hydrated to make sure the deck remained swelled up tight and so more watertight.
@@bartonstano9327 U505 was a Type IXC, so she was “roomier” than a Type VII, but she still was smaller & more cramped than a US Gato Class, which probably seemed like a luxury hotel in comparison.
RE: US travel restrictions. It looks like we're going to declare "Mission accomplished" by July 4th. I hope you give Southern California your consideration. Great weather year round. The Iowa and Midway are the two best museum ship's I've even been too. There's one of the two surviving Liberty Ships here as well as the Queen Mary which is a functioning hotel. There's also the HMS Surprise to boot!
Regarding salvaging Arizona, would it not have been possible (though I agree not economical or even a good idea overall) to give her a HMS Porcupine treatment? Cut off the front, board it up with a proper end, reverse the engines and make the rear the new bow. Then call her USS Zona. Et voila, you have a well protected monitor/mini Nelson which might even go rather faster than before. Admittedly this would be a huge job, even if the engine spaces were to be reasonably intact (which I would assume they weren't). New structure to board up the front (new stern), rebuild the stern to become the bow, reverse the engines with new propeller shafts, rebalance the ship (the loss of the front turrets and bow would most likely shift the center of balance a fair bit) and then rebuild the shattered superstructure. But if done it would be have been a super interesting ship I should think.
Just a note on electrical and any fighting unit ..... the layout of the electrical power carrying wiring is very very important ..... you can reroute power virtually anywhere but if all power lines travel through one area ...... then that area will take a hit and all power is cut till those lines are repaired.
Looks like the current US ban on visitors from the UK wont be lifted at the June review, so it'll be first week in July before we'll know. Best window for flight prices used to be 7-9 week before the planned date & being flexible by a few days also helps. Of course pent up demand might keep prices high. :-( I've put off my date to late October, hopefully seeing prices down by around 30% on what's being quoted now.
NBA star David Robinson wanted to be a nuclear submariner but at 7'+ the Navy denied his request. James Webb also denied his request for a waiver for full duty and was relegated to the supply corps.
The real reason behind wood backing on the armor of 20th century battleships is obvious: defense against Japaneese torpedo boats. . . . This was also known as the Kamchatka Rule.
‘“…were treated as second-class sailors…” Stink boaters are still treated as second-class sailors by the windborne - even if they are unaware of their inferior status.
3:26 Wasn't the excessive barrel wear with the 12"/50 one on the major reasons the Japanese chose to go to a larger caliber. I know that it was one of the reasons that the RN chose to upgrade from the 12"/50 to the 13.5. As for Japan's choice of the 14" (once the decision was made to up gun from the 12"/50), wasn't that choice (as opposed to the same 13.5 as the RN used or a different gun) dictated by Vickers already having that design ready for production?
Soviet Navy sailor: *Tovarisch Zampolit, I would like you to hear my confession* Soviet Navy political officer: *Of course, my son. Just let me get my clipboard* Soviet Navy sailor: *Thank you comrade* Soviet Navy political officer: *And my tape recorder* Soviet Navy sailor: *Well ... okay, that's fair* Soviet Navy political officer: *And my pistol* Soviet Navy sailor: *Wut?*
A couple of notes on hydrogen sulfide. In concentrations around 500 ppm it will quickly make you unconscious. Open a hatch to an area with lots of hydrogen sulfide can result in immediate unconsciousness and kill you. Extended exposure to even lower levels can be dangerous. This is complicated by a strange property of its scent. In low concentrations it has the well known rotten eggs smell, but in concentrations above around 200 ppm your nose will no longer smell it. We used to say that the only thing worse than smelling hydrogen sulfide is not smelling hydrogen sulfide. This is why hydrogen sulfide detectors are so important and gas masks should be worn whenever opening a space with a possibility of hydrogen sulfide. It could knock you out before you could read the meter.
In regards to salvage of the Arizona, an excerpt from the book, " Descent into Darkness" by Cdr. Edward C. Raymer. "He had descended ten feet in the mud approximately 120 feet from the bow. He reported that the hull in that area was wrinkled and warped but had no cracks. "Make a big sweep with both arms across the hull. You're in the area where the biggest explosion took place," I called to him. "Uh-oh. Here it is right before my nose. There's a crack all rightand it's a big one. Must be at least a foot across, jagged as hell, and it extends down below in what feels like a slanted angle." "We've got it plotted on the plans. Keep following it down to the bilge keel," I said. Moon traced the crack farther and farther downward, feeling the opening in the side of the ship. But suddenly his anxious voice came through the phone. "Topside, topside, the tunnel has caved in on me, and it's got me pinned right up against the crack. I think my hand is cut pretty badly. Can you feel me pull on the line?"" With her back broken, there wasn't anything to save.
About raising the USS Arizona, I've been thinking that one way of dealing with the problem of her deteriorating fuel storage tanks would be to build a coffer dam around the ship and then go in and pump the ship dry. While you probably wouldn't want to do this during the war when there was so much ship traffic in the harbor, it seems like it should be POSSIBLE to use the coffer dam idea and then patch up her hull and give her a false bow -- while stripping her of armor and everything else that is easily removable -- and then towing her to a shipyard. If you were just doing this for national pride she wouldn't have to be a real fighting ship. She would be a sort of floating museum and memorial that resembled a battleship but lacked armor, functioning guns, or a full power plant -- no reason she would need to move faster than 15 knots. This seems doable, though still a waste of time and money. Reasons to come to San Francisco (Bay Area): USS Hornet; USS Pompanito, SS Jeremiah O'Brien, Battle of Guadalcanal Memorial; graves of admirals Nimitz, Spruance, Lockwood, and Turner (all grouped together). There's also the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park (www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm)
Drachinifel, I know I'm a few hours late, (sorry), but wanted to remind you that Monday the 14 of May is the 80th anniversary of the Bismarck sinking the HMS Hood! I hope people with a love of Naval History will take a shot of Nelsons Blood in honor of the 1,415 crew of the Hood lost that day!
several ships that I served on had electrical jumper cables in strategic locations near repair lockers to bypass and reroute electrical power. that said the equipment that I operated was classified as critical. So it was supplied with 400 hz power in the specific voltage that It required. Habitat or hotel services lighting and wall sockets in the same space still operated on 60 hz and usually 110/120 volts
When I hear "snipe" as a noun I think of the "snipe hunt", a prank once played on newbie woodsmen or hunters to find a non-existant animal. Perhaps the mockery was that the engieers supposedly couldn't be found when needed.
I'd love to hear a drydock segment on your assessment of the effectiveness of Naval Blimps in detecting the presence of U-boats off the American coast. I frequently hear stories of the blimps crashing under unknown circumstances, so I'm wondering if they actually ever detected anything and if it was a worthwhile endeavor.
I see Drach decided to take a sponsor for the segment on the origin o engineer being called snipes. Schlitz Beer! :D 47:06 in the upper left/center. Honestly though, I doubt 1 out of 100 people would have recognized it. sm
Hood due to his sheer length - if modernized- would be quite competitive in multiple aspects. Even with more armor added, a new set of boilers and turbines could easily provide 160000 shp, what would drive it on the 32kts or above, what is more than adequate for ww2 and it's good hydrodynamic profile means that it could have quite a fair bit of autonomy if cruising at speeds of 20 or less. The length allows the installation of multiple AA sets that would not be very affected by blast effects. By default it already had secondary armament at forecaste level what makes thing easier. In many aspects it would be similar to the vanguard but with slightly more speed and better AA and a bit less armor and probably less firepower ( this one depends on the type of modifications made to the 15'' and the turrets, eventually it could be as effective as the vanguard's 15'' ). The change of machinery itself could save up to 3000 tons in displacement, and there is not really a reason to have the 5' upper belt anymore so a few more hundreds of tons saved there. in Truth a good modernization, even with added armor, may even improve seamanship by pushing the waterline down . As for Mackensens... it is doable but more complex... the speed armor and gunnery would have to be increased . Armor wise they were inferior to hood in multiple aspects (turrets are not as thick, the belt armor is in theory not as effective) plus the secondaries were not at forecastle level, what implies that they would have to be raised one deck level and receive additional armor protection, increasing displacement, and requiring multiple other changes.
@@TheKingofbrooklin kind of . The issue with the Ersatz-Yorck is that in order to cream the 15'' guns within essentially the same hull size with minimum displacement increase, some armor had to be tweaked, for example the 15'' turrets were "lightened", the machinery was essentially the same so speed dropped to 27,5 and there were a couple of other areas where the designers had to make some type of compromise . As a result they would need considerable work (barbette thickness comes to mind ) but yes they are a better base . If we want to be really honest , if enough money and resources were poured into any of those they would be fine.. we have the example of the modernized kongos, and any of those are quite superior. The real problem is that we are comparing 1916-1917 designs (Mackensens, Ersatz-Yorck) with a hugely modified and enhanced design (Hood), that in a certain way was created to overpower the supposed 15'' german battlecruisers, and that to a point, despite many flaws, benefited of the Washington treaty holidays and displacement limits to in some aspects kind of stay on the forefront (speed , displacement, default 30 degrees elevation, inclined armor belt ). So it is not a very fair comparison.
Your thread is making me wonder how hulls should be designed. Speed seems to be necessary but I would think that using sheer power to get it is a minus.
As far electrical redundancy is concerned the generators would need to be separated because if one shell or one bomb could destroy all generators the redundancy is pointless.
49:30 - Given that Marxism-Leninism functioned much like a state religion, I see the political officer on a Soviet ship very much in the role of chaplain, though with far more authority and duties than we would consider normal. The regular political meetings held aboard ship were eerily similar to church services.
@@rolfs2165 Well, in the US, if your Vice President for Human Resources askes your real opinion of the company, would you give him/her an honest answer?
@@rolfs2165 True enough. I would not characterize the zampolit as fulfilling the counseling aspect of a chaplain's job. More of the larger-scale elements, such as the aforementioned 'services.'
@@stanleyrogouski heh, I never had a problem telling someone the answer to their question. Until the wife bought a new outfit and asked that dreaded question. The truth is always the first casualty when life and limb are at stake.
Addition to the wood backing comment: Wood also could seal the gap between the armor and the construction steel from leakage, since rusting there would be hard to clean up. Also, starting in or just after WWI, cement was used in some ships instead of wood as this filler was less expensive and much more durable when properly made. HOOD and, I assume, later British armored ships, used cement, as did many US Navy ships in their armored waterline belts. BISMARCK and, I assume, other German armored warships continued to use teak.
Cement against Steel? Would there be corrosion problems over time? It starts wet, the water would have dissolved Oxygen, it is alkaline and porous. Polythene sheeting was not available.
@@myparceltape1169 I assume that the cement used was more of a porcelain-type material that was waterproof. Also, there may have been layers of lacquer painted on the metal surfaces between the faces for further sealing. Note that as the ship hull distorts slightly during heavy seas, the thick armor and thin hull plating will move differently, opening and closing gaps. Since the belt armor is supposed to be half-immersed in the ocean, and the metals were bolted and riveted to one-another, not welded completely around their mating edges (even through the end of WWII), something had to be in this gap to keep out water over a long, long period of time with zero maintenance.
Hi mate, love the Channel, It may not be something you’d like to do, however it would be great if you could or would consider doing a video on Scapa Flow and Hoy and how it served the Fleet in both wars. I will help you in that in any way I can as I live there. As you know it is only days away before the Grand Fleet sailed to do battle. Also as you will know there is also the Naval cemetery here in Lyness but also there is another where naval personnel were buried before lyness was opened in 1915.
USS Nevada was never sunk, merely run aground deliberately to prevent her sinking in the main channel. USS Oklahoma was salvaged, refloated and underwent emergency repairs and was in route to west coast when she sank in deep water part way across. USS Arizona and the reclassified former battleship USS Utah were left in place.
Patreon question: What, if anything, happened to the person or persons responsible for disabling the USS South Dakota's power system at Second Guadalcanal? Is such a mistake career ending, subject to discipline, et cetera?
It might be, but the military is excellent at ignoring their mistakes, and those who make them. The officer would have just been transferred, and black-balled only by word of mouth. Such as Adm. Wright and the battle of Tassafaronga.
IIRC, the chief engineer was subjected to a court martial for overriding the circuit breakers and exacerbating the electrical problems. Various sources give the number of dead and wounded on board South Dakota in that battle at 39 and 59, or else 40 and 60, respectively. I'm pretty sure that he never served on a ship as a chief engineer again, but I can't find a report of the punishment that he received.
Huh. I had to go back and rewatch the 5 minute guide for the L20ea. TH-cam tells me I'd watched it, but I had no memory of it at all. (I must have been doing really badly on the day it went live.)
A question about Italian armor. It is a recognized fact that Italian vehicle armor was a bit brittle during WWII. Was there a similar problem with ship armor?
Arizona is a War Grave. There was concern about the oil leakage. However, the remains of more than one thousand sailors are still there, so the Navy doesn't want anyone touching Arizona, nor do the descendants of those sailors.
Imho, I think the main reason that the US didn't even try to refloat USS Arizona is the plain simple fact that there were over 1,500 sailors entombed in the wreck. And they knew it would take forever & a day to try to recover & IDENTIFY & then bury the remains of that many sailors. And it just made more sense to NOT DISTURB their entombed bodies from within the ship.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Planned successors to the “flying aircraft carriers” Akron and Macon?
Was there ever an attempt to use shape charged warheads in naval guns?
hey drach, could you please address submarine hull design at some point, specifically how a hull form could result in higher submerged than surfaced speeds. As I see it surely having more of a vessel pushing water aside as it goes will always result in more drag regardless of shape.
Could you please explain why USS Ranger was deemed unfit to serve in the Pacific theater?
Best and worst warship of every class in the regia Marina?
I just want to say thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos. I learn something new in each of your episodes. The comments are also a valuable source of information.
As a resident of Nevada for twenty years, I appreciate the corrected pronunciation, no matter how grudging it sounded. ;-)
I don''t know about all navies, but the US Navy does not have a height limit for serving on submarines. I served with several people significantly over 6" tall, one of the guys I served with was 6'8" tall. For reference as to how cramped things are aboard even a modern submarine, I am 5'1"(not a typo), and I still hit my head on stuff fairly frequently aboard the Los Angeles-class sub I served on.
He is 6’8, how could he even fit in any navel vessels
@@jasondouglas6755 magic
I went aboard a submarine in Hamburg docks, it is not comfortable at all and being 6,5ft I couldn't imagine spending any prolonged time on one being anything other than hideous.
I believe David Robinson (the NBA Hall of Famer) graduated from the Naval Academy (he had an adult growth sport while he was at Annapolis), but being 7 feet tall he wasn't eligible to server aboard a ship. He served in the engineering corps for two years. So there must have been some kind of height limit in the late 1980s.
This seems like one of the things that would be in the best interest of everyone involved to avoid,from the man himself to his immediate superiors to the captain to anyone above the captain who's concerned with efficiency. But of course, it IS the military, so such things happen.. maybe these men were so particularly useful in that position that it couldnt be avoided
Today is now Hood Day. 80 years on, we have not forgotten you.
Rest In Peace.
Another hazard with H2S is that it paralyzes the nerves in the nose after a certain amount of exposure. The victim then feels nothing until it is too late. Ventilation is critical to prevent trouble. Another issue is that when mixed with water and exposed to steel or iron, it can form a compound that when dried out will spontaneously ignite.
Yes. You can't rely on your sense of smell to protect you. Short term exposure, and you "get used" to the smell, and you'll be unable to detect a rise in concentration.
We use do say that the only thing worse than smelling H2S is not smelling H2S. We had sensors and alarms with a rotating beacon. The instrument techs would sometimes forget to put out the signs that they were calibrating which could cause people running when the red beacon started rotating.
Hearing my question actually brought a big smile to my face. Great answer and day made.
7:17 That picture of Hood shows almost the same depth as her entire freeboard clear of the water... only reinforces your theory of her destruction.
Wow....it’s almost halfway down the torpedo bulge. The waterline is definitely below the main belt there.
Thank you for answering my question.
This further reinforces the idea of Hood being the first proper fast battleship.
Love that you addressed height change over generations. The best way I've summed it up to my friends is that the average American soldier going into WW1 was only about 5' 6 and weighed in at ~150 pounds.
Average male height in the UK has increased by around 4.5" since WW1.
The US had the third tallest global average height at that time. Now it's 37th.
In both countries, width has increased significantly since 1914...
With regards to busy work aboard ship, to this day a common phase heard from chiefs towards junior enlisted sailors in the USN is "If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean."
I've heard something along those lines from a few Navy people I've met, non-US navies. I wonder if it's the same aboard things like civilian tankers, bulk carriers, container ships, and other merchant ships.
A Snipe can best tell you what it means:
Snipe: a rarely seen bird considered imaginary by most . . . just like the below decks navy* is perceived by everyone else.
Moreover, a ship in the fleet on active duty has a crew that consists of four types of workers, three of them essential. These are Deck Apes, Snipes, Gunners, and superfluous types (you know-officers, specialists . . . all that). Without deck apes no ship sails. Without snipes no ship goes anywhere, unless yanked along by a tug . . . or mules. Without Gunners a ship is reclassified as a target. Without officers? Well, to be perfectly accurate, in WW2, several ships had their bridges blown away and almost all officers killed, while the ships, themselves, remained at least marginally functioned. Try that with Snipes or Deck Apes . . . or Gunners.
*Boiler Techs/Stokers, Machinists' Mates, Hull Technicians/Welders.
Thank you...
Electricians Mates are also technically snipes, although they would let us topside on alternate Tuesdays. ;-)
@@ewhartiii Amended. ETs, too. ;-)
@@ewhartiii that was your day in the barrel?
Exactly. During my time in the USN, that is exactly how we understood it. As their regular duties seldom brought them above decks, we jokingly regarded the engineering rates as near mythical creatures, snipes, as we almost never saw them. I spent 3 years on a cruiser and I don't think I ever knew the names of more than 1 or 2 of the snipes. Not because I viewed them in any negative light, mind you, but because I seldom interacted with any of them. They pretty much kept to themselves.
"Cleanliness before Battle readiness " was our ships motto. USS Carl Vinson.
How Victorian of your captain.
Cleanest bowling alley in the fleet? LOL!
@@just_one_opinion I wish there was a bowling alley.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
"Ah, we need to do that, but bigger."
_- Belligerent Carpenter, War of the Carpenters, 1812-1815._
Was the War of the Carpenters when Richard tried to get Karen to eat a sandwich?
@Albert Fels I'm so glad I was _not_ there to watch you 2 resolve whose wood was better. I'm sorry you're wood came up short in the challenge, but you should learn to have some "wood modesty," particularly with strangers.
@Albert Fels 😬
HMS Hood is one of the most beautiful battleships ever built.
*battlecruiser
@@ThirdHornet Sorry,
Battlecruiser
@@leftcoaster67 you’re correct. It’s classified as a Battlecruiser or fast battleship. It’s all semantics :)
The Brigitte Bardot of battlecruisers (both best appreciated from stern 3/4 view).
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So, she's a B.B then? Fair enough, indeed
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Big fan of your username btw. I recall getting quite the heartfelt chuckle hearing it when Drach answered your question a few Drydocks ago
We had a hydrogen sulfide problem on our fishing boat. Cracked cement in the fish hold let scallop juice & melted ice water down into the insulation layer. No matter how much we cleaned and bleached it would always smell after a couple days. One trip we got border by the coast guard and one of them had a gas meter on his belt. As soon as he started down the ladder it went off. He says “holy shit I’m not going down there, that’s dangerous!” We were half way through our trip all ready and had been down there every day for short periods. The owner fixed the boat after this finally. I know if other people on fishing boats that haven’t been so lucky
A simple measure is if you can small H2S you can survive for a period. I you cannot smell H2S then there is either none of it will kill you quickly.
"...and then Stalin died..." And there was much joyful cheering and celebrations in Whoville
"and the peasants danced".
For more on this check out the "Death of Stalin," there was a comic book and a movie based off it.
@CipiRipi00 Always a good day when a Commie gets sent to the place of eternal hellfire and brimstone.
Except if you were part of Stalin's secret police
Another enjoyable Drydock. I didn't know about the height thing - being shorter during the industrial revolution than before or after.
When I visited the Constitution a couple 3 decades ago, I recall my head brushing the cross beams on the gun deck. I’m 5’9 - 5’10 depending on time of day. OTOH, visited the Constellation, on the hanger deck, LOTS of headroom there.
Once again thanks to all that ask some great questions.
Very much looking forward to the Anglo-Dutch Wars series!
Lolol you’re a sick puppy.... but aren’t we all!
In a video from the New Jersey museum about deck teak replacement it was stated that the woods main purpose was insulation.
A lot of the problems with modern oil-spills is that they use tons of surfactants to "disperse" the oil. It ends up sinking to the bottom.
Mmm, Friday drydocks are something I can get used to
hydrogen sulfide also is heavier than air... you breath it in, it stays in your lungs, knocks you out, then you fall into the pool of it and sufficate without ever regaining conciousness...
we have to deal with it at the papermill we work at
Re 50:30 I think the political officer would be more than happy to hear anything you wanted to confess! However absolution would be more severe than 10 Hail Maries
Soviet Navy sailor: *Tovarisch Zampolit, I would like you to hear my confession*
Soviet Navy political officer: *Of course, my son. Just let me get my clipboard*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Thank you comrade*
Soviet Navy political officer: *And my tape recorder*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Well ... okay, that's fair*
Soviet Navy political officer: *And my pistol*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Wut?*
Speaking of submarine hatches, there's an old Oberon attached to the Maritime Museum down here.
A woman was on the tour of the sub and was wearing a loose skirt. It wasn't a particularly good idea.
Looked the other way and made sure she had some cover, while she untangled things.
2 new Virginia class Attack subs SSN-803 Arizona and SSN-802 Oklahoma were ordered in 2019.
Just want to say that that was a beautiful photo of HMS Hood... Drach is incredible at getting photos of ships.
Re: USS Arizona, regardless of the total impracticality, the idea of serving aboard a ship where so many men had died would certainly have made it a Jonah amongst its crew, superstitious or not. Horrible thought.
Interesting point. Imagine serving on Derfflinger or Seydlitz after Jutland. They lost around 10% of their crew or so. Especially Seydlitz' C-Turret went through 2 entire crews. So, a lot of new faces in such a small group like a cruiser crew
Imagine sailing the shattered Franklin back after over 800 men lost.
One comment on shipboard work: work & watch are 2 different things.
The ship operates on 2 concurrent cycles during the day. One cycle is the work day, where different groups would be doing their work.
The other cycle is the watches, typically 4 hours long. Those on watch have different responsibilities than those not on watch. For example, sailors not on watch would paint, holystone the main deck, and other maintenance work. Sailors on watch would have assigned positions with specific responsibilities like lookout, messenger, helmsman, etc. When they are on watch, folks have specific responsibilities; when they are off watch, they do what the chief tells them to do. If you're lucky, you're on watch for half the workday. If you're unlucky, You work your workday and then go on watch.
Best way to restore Arizona and Oklahoma to service? Follow the example of the sunken aircraft carriers from the 1942 campaigns; finish the Illinois and Kentucky and assign them the names of the destroyed ships. It would have been faster, cheaper and the USN would have new ships versus WW1 retreads.
So that teak backing has basically been replaced with kevlar spall liners.
The fact that the attack didn’t result in a significant (distinct) release of pollutants probably speaks more to the pervasive contamination present in harbor sediment both beforehand, presumably the result of naval activity. PCBs, which are quite immobile, seem to be the main constituent of concern in sediment around Ford Island. Other harmful constituents in fuel oil would have probably been swept out to see or broken down at some point.
RE: Soviet "Chaplains"
I've heard various things regarding Soviet political officers and the roll of the political officers varied. But generally yes, as envisioned pre-Stalin, they were supposed to be a cross between a union representative, as a check on officer abuses and a socialist chaplain, giving instructions how to be a good communist and general encouragement.
And if the Warsaw Pact armies are any indication, a 30+ minute "political education", which was a mixture of 1984-style session of hatred alternating with the paising Soviet results, ever surpassing the planned amount.
Also a one revolutionary mutineer with Valery Sablin.
56:00 - If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't, paint it.
More salvage videos sounds good, the Pearl Harbour ones were very interesting.
Arizona ‘recovery or rebuild’ would probably have been something akin to the status of USS Constellation as one of the original 1790s U.S. Navy frigates after the 1854 ‘great repair’ - a few wooden bits of the original might have been used in the new ship.
Has there ever been a case where flatulence was mistaken for a dangerous hydrogen sulfide build up? Which resulted in test equipment being brought in and venting procedures begun? Was the ship's mess ever reprimanded in these situations?
@Seth Tuthill, no exagerration but one of my brother's Newfoundland dogs would routinely set off the gas detector when he slept near the main sensor.
@@mbryson2899 a buddy's rottweiler farted next to his CPAP and he woke up yelling Gas! Gas! Gas! (According to the story)
Cant reply to hydrogen sulfide, but we use to set off fire alarm by making a platoon exercise in a hallway fairly routinely
@@jamesmilton8308 do push-ups
I was talking to docent at Jamestown (VA) many years ago. He noted that the average height of the era was much higher than many supposed. He noted that one of the leaders whose height is known was called the obnoxious runt.
Babies born in an unexpected year of high unemployment grew to be noticably shorter children even if the parent's income had been stable, as observed by a Community Nurse.
This was entertaining and informative- Thanks!👍
Toured the Soviet Foxtrot class sub moored next to Queen Mary in Long Beach, CA (before it was closed)... there's a reason they gave you a hard hat when you went in! I'm not a giant and I would have smacked my head on at least 2 bulkheads climbing through lol, those hatches are TINY!
40:58 Even as a child(Small child, Small Adult 5' 9") after the first few trips to see the U.S.S. Cavalla at Seawolf Park in Galveston, you learn the proper technique to go thru the interior hatches of a WW 2 era submarine.
1) grab conveniently(intentionally) placed bar above open hatch.
2)perform mini-pull-up.
3) kick both legs thru open hatch.
4) Flex Knees into half crouch upon landing.
5)Throw upper torso thru open hatch while making DAMN sure eye level is still well below the top edge of open hatch to avoid 2nd concussion.
6) Advance.
I have heard from a couple of old sub drivers back in the late 80's/90's that the hatches on U.S. subs were still the same dimensions & even built on the same machining, but I would have expected that the navy would at least up date the spec requirements with the new operating depths that the Nuc boats now operate at.
If you need to fly to a secondary county to "quarantine" in I would recommend Mexico instead of Canada. The last I heard, Canada in still a closed boarder.
If you were to visit Canada I recommend waiting until the re-opening has happened. Fort York will have re-opened, which would be an interesting addendum to the 1812 lakes video. They have a collection of historic cannon that they occasionally fire. With regards to Haida you should be careful about picking a date and time. They offer tours of the machinery spaces only on certain days and times, of course you may get special access which would negate this issue.
I’m sure more than a few of us on this side of the Atlantic would be willing to adopt our Uncle Drach if that would make visiting easier to do
A note on Arizona it was salvaged a bit as the superstructure and guns were taken off the ship. So there was some salvage done on the ship.
The rear main turrets and a lot of the topside 5" and smaller guns were removed, reconditioned, and used elsewhere. The masts and superstructure were stripped down to the waterline for scrap. So yes, things were "salvaged", but the ship itself could not be raised. It is now a tomb and a memorial.
Re: sailors' busywork. From my understanding one of the main reasons for swabbing the deck on wooden warships was not only to keep the decks clean but to keep the timbers more hydrated to make sure the deck remained swelled up tight and so more watertight.
I found the U505 in Chicago to be quite roomy. Of course I was about 8 years old at the time.
U505 tour guide mentioned that many storage lockers had been removed, so even roomier that was in actual service.
@@bartonstano9327 U505 was a Type IXC, so she was “roomier” than a Type VII, but she still was smaller & more cramped than a US Gato Class, which probably seemed like a luxury hotel in comparison.
That photo of Hood shows how exposed her hull was below the waterline belt!!!!!
RE: US travel restrictions.
It looks like we're going to declare "Mission accomplished" by July 4th.
I hope you give Southern California your consideration. Great weather year round. The Iowa and Midway are the two best museum ship's I've even been too. There's one of the two surviving Liberty Ships here as well as the Queen Mary which is a functioning hotel. There's also the HMS Surprise to boot!
Regarding salvaging Arizona, would it not have been possible (though I agree not economical or even a good idea overall) to give her a HMS Porcupine treatment? Cut off the front, board it up with a proper end, reverse the engines and make the rear the new bow. Then call her USS Zona. Et voila, you have a well protected monitor/mini Nelson which might even go rather faster than before.
Admittedly this would be a huge job, even if the engine spaces were to be reasonably intact (which I would assume they weren't). New structure to board up the front (new stern), rebuild the stern to become the bow, reverse the engines with new propeller shafts, rebalance the ship (the loss of the front turrets and bow would most likely shift the center of balance a fair bit) and then rebuild the shattered superstructure.
But if done it would be have been a super interesting ship I should think.
Thumbs up. The thumbs down probably were clicks on the wrong icon or complaints about this not being a 10 hour drydock (LOL).
Just a note on electrical and any fighting unit ..... the layout of the electrical power carrying wiring is very very important ..... you can reroute power virtually anywhere but if all power lines travel through one area ...... then that area will take a hit and all power is cut till those lines are repaired.
Looks like the current US ban on visitors from the UK wont be lifted at the June review, so it'll be first week in July before we'll know.
Best window for flight prices used to be 7-9 week before the planned date & being flexible by a few days also helps. Of course pent up demand might keep prices high. :-(
I've put off my date to late October, hopefully seeing prices down by around 30% on what's being quoted now.
NBA star David Robinson wanted to be a nuclear submariner but at 7'+ the Navy denied his request. James Webb also denied his request for a waiver for full duty and was relegated to the supply corps.
The real reason behind wood backing on the armor of 20th century battleships is obvious: defense against Japaneese torpedo boats.
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This was also known as the Kamchatka Rule.
I throwing a pair of binoculars at you for that!
‘“…were treated as second-class sailors…” Stink boaters are still treated as second-class sailors by the windborne - even if they are unaware of their inferior status.
Well as for fairly thick teak on a dreadnought iirc the Dunkerques had teak of similar thickness to the armor belt
3:26 Wasn't the excessive barrel wear with the 12"/50 one on the major reasons the Japanese chose to go to a larger caliber. I know that it was one of the reasons that the RN chose to upgrade from the 12"/50 to the 13.5. As for Japan's choice of the 14" (once the decision was made to up gun from the 12"/50), wasn't that choice (as opposed to the same 13.5 as the RN used or a different gun) dictated by Vickers already having that design ready for production?
Soviet Navy sailor: *Tovarisch Zampolit, I would like you to hear my confession*
Soviet Navy political officer: *Of course, my son. Just let me get my clipboard*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Thank you comrade*
Soviet Navy political officer: *And my tape recorder*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Well ... okay, that's fair*
Soviet Navy political officer: *And my pistol*
Soviet Navy sailor: *Wut?*
Do a stop-over in Iceland :)
A couple of notes on hydrogen sulfide. In concentrations around 500 ppm it will quickly make you unconscious. Open a hatch to an area with lots of hydrogen sulfide can result in immediate unconsciousness and kill you. Extended exposure to even lower levels can be dangerous. This is complicated by a strange property of its scent. In low concentrations it has the well known rotten eggs smell, but in concentrations above around 200 ppm your nose will no longer smell it. We used to say that the only thing worse than smelling hydrogen sulfide is not smelling hydrogen sulfide. This is why hydrogen sulfide detectors are so important and gas masks should be worn whenever opening a space with a possibility of hydrogen sulfide. It could knock you out before you could read the meter.
Not sure I'd want to take a modernized Mackensen against a KGV or Hood but I'd gladly take it against Renown/Repulse
In regards to salvage of the Arizona, an excerpt from the book, " Descent into Darkness" by Cdr. Edward C. Raymer.
"He had descended ten feet in the mud approximately 120 feet from the bow. He reported that the hull in that area was wrinkled and warped but had no cracks.
"Make a big sweep with both arms across the hull. You're in the area where the biggest explosion took place," I called to him. "Uh-oh. Here it is right before my nose. There's a crack all rightand it's a big one. Must be at least a foot across, jagged as hell, and it extends down below in what feels like a slanted angle." "We've got it plotted on the plans. Keep following it down to the bilge keel," I said.
Moon traced the crack farther and farther downward, feeling the opening in the side of the ship. But suddenly his anxious voice came through the phone. "Topside, topside, the tunnel has caved in on me, and it's got me pinned right up against the crack. I think my hand is cut pretty badly. Can you feel me pull on the line?""
With her back broken, there wasn't anything to save.
Hey Drac you may wish to double check the Canadian option, currently the Canadian USA border is closed except for essential travel
About raising the USS Arizona, I've been thinking that one way of dealing with the problem of her deteriorating fuel storage tanks would be to build a coffer dam around the ship and then go in and pump the ship dry. While you probably wouldn't want to do this during the war when there was so much ship traffic in the harbor, it seems like it should be POSSIBLE to use the coffer dam idea and then patch up her hull and give her a false bow -- while stripping her of armor and everything else that is easily removable -- and then towing her to a shipyard. If you were just doing this for national pride she wouldn't have to be a real fighting ship. She would be a sort of floating museum and memorial that resembled a battleship but lacked armor, functioning guns, or a full power plant -- no reason she would need to move faster than 15 knots. This seems doable, though still a waste of time and money.
Reasons to come to San Francisco (Bay Area): USS Hornet; USS Pompanito, SS Jeremiah O'Brien, Battle of Guadalcanal Memorial; graves of admirals Nimitz, Spruance, Lockwood, and Turner (all grouped together). There's also the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park (www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm)
About half of all the men who died on December 7th died belowdecks on Arizona. She is a tomb and a memorial.
Drachinifel, I know I'm a few hours late, (sorry), but wanted to remind you that Monday the 14 of May is the 80th anniversary of the Bismarck sinking the HMS Hood! I hope people with a love of Naval History will take a shot of Nelsons Blood in honor of the 1,415 crew of the Hood lost that day!
several ships that I served on had electrical jumper cables in strategic locations near repair lockers to bypass and reroute electrical power. that said the equipment that I operated was classified as critical. So it was supplied with 400 hz power in the specific voltage that It required. Habitat or hotel services lighting and wall sockets in the same space still operated on 60 hz and usually 110/120 volts
When I hear "snipe" as a noun I think of the "snipe hunt", a prank once played on newbie woodsmen or hunters to find a non-existant animal. Perhaps the mockery was that the engieers supposedly couldn't be found when needed.
Or a guttersnipe
Ironically snipes actually exist... And the extreme level of skill and patience needed to find and catch one is why we have snipers
I'd love to hear a drydock segment on your assessment of the effectiveness of Naval Blimps in detecting the presence of U-boats off the American coast. I frequently hear stories of the blimps crashing under unknown circumstances, so I'm wondering if they actually ever detected anything and if it was a worthwhile endeavor.
Frequently? Try one......Very effective ASW weapon.
Yeah Canada-US. Probably not. The border is currently closed to nonessential travel. It may be open by the time you get there but no guarantee
I know a pretty tall guy who serviced on a modern US sub. He spent all his free time standing on the ladders in between decks.
I see Drach decided to take a sponsor for the segment on the origin o engineer being called snipes. Schlitz Beer! :D 47:06 in the upper left/center. Honestly though, I doubt 1 out of 100 people would have recognized it. sm
I saw that too. Looks like it's on the deaerating feed tank which means we're looking at a bunch of Boiler Techs in the fireroom.
Hood due to his sheer length - if modernized- would be quite competitive in multiple aspects. Even with more armor added, a new set of boilers and turbines could easily provide 160000 shp, what would drive it on the 32kts or above, what is more than adequate for ww2 and it's good hydrodynamic profile means that it could have quite a fair bit of autonomy if cruising at speeds of 20 or less. The length allows the installation of multiple AA sets that would not be very affected by blast effects. By default it already had secondary armament at forecaste level what makes thing easier. In many aspects it would be similar to the vanguard but with slightly more speed and better AA and a bit less armor and probably less firepower ( this one depends on the type of modifications made to the 15'' and the turrets, eventually it could be as effective as the vanguard's 15'' ). The change of machinery itself could save up to 3000 tons in displacement, and there is not really a reason to have the 5' upper belt anymore so a few more hundreds of tons saved there. in Truth a good modernization, even with added armor, may even improve seamanship by pushing the waterline down .
As for Mackensens... it is doable but more complex... the speed armor and gunnery would have to be increased . Armor wise they were inferior to hood in multiple aspects (turrets are not as thick, the belt armor is in theory not as effective) plus the secondaries were not at forecastle level, what implies that they would have to be raised one deck level and receive additional armor protection, increasing displacement, and requiring multiple other changes.
The Mackensen was not a good pick. The potential of the Ersatz-Yorck is more interesting.
@@TheKingofbrooklin kind of . The issue with the Ersatz-Yorck is that in order to cream the 15'' guns within essentially the same hull size with minimum displacement increase, some armor had to be tweaked, for example the 15'' turrets were "lightened", the machinery was essentially the same so speed dropped to 27,5 and there were a couple of other areas where the designers had to make some type of compromise . As a result they would need considerable work (barbette thickness comes to mind ) but yes they are a better base . If we want to be really honest , if enough money and resources were poured into any of those they would be fine.. we have the example of the modernized kongos, and any of those are quite superior.
The real problem is that we are comparing 1916-1917 designs (Mackensens, Ersatz-Yorck) with a hugely modified and enhanced design (Hood), that in a certain way was created to overpower the supposed 15'' german battlecruisers, and that to a point, despite many flaws, benefited of the Washington treaty holidays and displacement limits to in some aspects kind of stay on the forefront (speed , displacement, default 30 degrees elevation, inclined armor belt ). So it is not a very fair comparison.
Your thread is making me wonder how hulls should be designed. Speed seems to be necessary but I would think that using sheer power to get it is a minus.
As far electrical redundancy is concerned the generators would need to be separated because if one shell or one bomb could destroy all generators the redundancy is pointless.
49:30 - Given that Marxism-Leninism functioned much like a state religion, I see the political officer on a Soviet ship very much in the role of chaplain, though with far more authority and duties than we would consider normal. The regular political meetings held aboard ship were eerily similar to church services.
True, but depending on what matters you want to discuss with the political officer, you might end up in gulag.
@@rolfs2165 Well, in the US, if your Vice President for Human Resources askes your real opinion of the company, would you give him/her an honest answer?
@@rolfs2165 True enough. I would not characterize the zampolit as fulfilling the counseling aspect of a chaplain's job. More of the larger-scale elements, such as the aforementioned 'services.'
@@stanleyrogouski heh, I never had a problem telling someone the answer to their question.
Until the wife bought a new outfit and asked that dreaded question. The truth is always the first casualty when life and limb are at stake.
While in the USN a chaplain is an officer and will be saluted on board.
Addition to the wood backing comment: Wood also could seal the gap between the armor and the construction steel from leakage, since rusting there would be hard to clean up. Also, starting in or just after WWI, cement was used in some ships instead of wood as this filler was less expensive and much more durable when properly made. HOOD and, I assume, later British armored ships, used cement, as did many US Navy ships in their armored waterline belts. BISMARCK and, I assume, other German armored warships continued to use teak.
Cement against Steel?
Would there be corrosion problems over time? It starts wet, the water would have dissolved Oxygen, it is alkaline and porous.
Polythene sheeting was not available.
@@myparceltape1169 I assume that the cement used was more of a porcelain-type material that was waterproof. Also, there may have been layers of lacquer painted on the metal surfaces between the faces for further sealing. Note that as the ship hull distorts slightly during heavy seas, the thick armor and thin hull plating will move differently, opening and closing gaps. Since the belt armor is supposed to be half-immersed in the ocean, and the metals were bolted and riveted to one-another, not welded completely around their mating edges (even through the end of WWII), something had to be in this gap to keep out water over a long, long period of time with zero maintenance.
Nice video dear algorithm
Hi mate, love the Channel, It may not be something you’d like to do, however it would be great if you could or would consider doing a video on Scapa Flow and Hoy and how it served the Fleet in both wars.
I will help you in that in any way I can as I live there. As you know it is only days away before the Grand Fleet sailed to do battle. Also as you will know there is also the Naval cemetery here in Lyness but also there is another where naval personnel were buried before lyness was opened in 1915.
USS Nevada was never sunk, merely run aground deliberately to prevent her sinking in the main channel. USS Oklahoma was salvaged, refloated and underwent emergency repairs and was in route to west coast when she sank in deep water part way across. USS Arizona and the reclassified former battleship USS Utah were left in place.
There was never intent to reuse the Oklahoma.
Love the series. My my other newly found conflict historians, "lions led by donkeys" podcast, are severely lacking naval insight.
Patreon question: What, if anything, happened to the person or persons responsible for disabling the USS South Dakota's power system at Second Guadalcanal? Is such a mistake career ending, subject to discipline, et cetera?
It might be, but the military is excellent at ignoring their mistakes, and those who make them. The officer would have just been transferred, and black-balled only by word of mouth. Such as Adm. Wright and the battle of Tassafaronga.
IIRC, the chief engineer was subjected to a court martial for overriding the circuit breakers and exacerbating the electrical problems. Various sources give the number of dead and wounded on board South Dakota in that battle at 39 and 59, or else 40 and 60, respectively. I'm pretty sure that he never served on a ship as a chief engineer again, but I can't find a report of the punishment that he received.
Huh. I had to go back and rewatch the 5 minute guide for the L20ea. TH-cam tells me I'd watched it, but I had no memory of it at all. (I must have been doing really badly on the day it went live.)
A question about Italian armor. It is a recognized fact that Italian vehicle armor was a bit brittle during WWII. Was there a similar problem with ship armor?
the new Arizona is a nuclear sub
Combine guns and material from Arizona and Oklahoma into Oaklazona. Give it 4x3 and 2x2 14" guns for a total of 16 14" guns.
I really wish they had just left the super structure on the Arizona instead of just ditching it out of the woods
A bunch of the upper works melted and the foremast bent over.
I have a solution to your travel woes, Drach. Spend 2 weeks quarantining in the New Jersey.
Arizona is a War Grave. There was concern about the oil leakage. However, the remains of more than one thousand sailors are still there, so the Navy doesn't want anyone touching Arizona, nor do the descendants of those sailors.
I got 1 or 2 ideas for you. Lifeboats/rafts and/or lifeboat gantries depending on how much there is to it.
One resentment of engineering officer was that they did not serve deck watches. They had their own watches to serve, of course.
Imho, I think the main reason that the US didn't even try to refloat USS Arizona is the plain simple fact that there were over 1,500 sailors entombed in the wreck. And they knew it would take forever & a day to try to recover & IDENTIFY & then bury the remains of that many sailors. And it just made more sense to NOT DISTURB their entombed bodies from within the ship.
Hey Drach, can you do a video on the HMS Royal Oak?
Engineers are called snipes because Geordi worked in engineering, his friend was Wesley, and Wesley Snipes.
QED
At last, Sunday and it has finally begun.
Dracdaddy is coming to freedom land....glorious
Today it is 80 years from the loss of HMS Hood.
How about a monitor USS Arizona?
wonder how the cold war would have been different had more of the soviet surface fleet survived WWII, particularly larger combatants.