JAZZ spooky or special?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2020
- The foundation KWPN breeding stallion recently passed away. Today Joseph takes a look back on some of the jazz offspring that he has ridden.
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I own Jazz grandson, and if I would choose 3 words, that's would be intelligent, studious and delicate. He is absolutely amazing horse
Those "difficult" horses have just not met their right human yet
I agree on that I’ve started hundreds of horses in Germany and worked for many Grand Prix jumpers riding their young horses. Every single horse I’ve met that went on to do great things was difficult as a young horse. They are more intelligent and talented than your average horse and they know it, and if they have the fight to be a fierce competitor they just don’t accept any random person as alpha. You have to prove yourself worthy to them.
I owned a Jazz gelding that had been imported from a super breeder in Germany. He looked EXACTLY like Jazz too. Red headed, unbelievably talented, and drop dead gorgeous. One of the nicest horses I've ever seen. Top, international quality mover with talent in spades!
The problem was, 95% of the time he was almost un-ridable. He spooked, bolted, passaged constantly, dropped his shoulder and spun, reared, crow hopped... you name it. I've been riding my whole life. I'm by no means a professional, but I've ridden everything when it comes to horses and generally pride myself in my ability to bring along some very difficult ones. Red headed Jazz horses are a whole different ball game.
One day I'd ride him and feel there was no way we weren't going to the Olympics , and then for the next 100 days I'd either feel like I was gonna die, or was seriously on the verge of it!
I quickly realized I wasn't the best partnership with him and sold him to a super professional dressage trainer for literally next to nothing. Trust me, I paid a pretty penny for him, but that wasn't what it was about for me. I'm not in the business of selling horses and when I buy them, I commit to a lifetime of ownership. But I felt it wasn't fair to continue with him and not let him live up to his unbelievable talent.
It's been over a year now since I sold him to this professional and they still have not been able to show him or progress his training. Reality is, I probably should have "retired" him and let him be a very expensive pet!
Can you talk about Rising Star, Jazz grandson and adopted by Queen Uniek?
He is son of Cachet L and Ziffora.
You should train him now while he is young.
He will be amazing.
His life starred sad and now he is a Star.
He will be the most famous horse in the world! His charisma and the crest of Yvonne farm's horses .
I’m was born and raised in Germany and I live in California now and there is a major cultural difference. Europeans don’t expect horses to be as safe as Americans do especially the young ones. It’s actually looked down upon to breed amateur horses and sacrificing talent for rideability. Nobody says “this horse is too much for the rider” , they say “the rider isn’t good enough for the horse”. There is no such thing as release forms, any judge would laugh at you trying to sue for falling off a horse. Children are expected to get bucked off when they learn how to ride. Nobody puts them in a cross country gear to jump a cross rail. You have to ride the lower classes with a plain snaffle, not all those crazy bits you see in 2ft hunter classes.
It’s rich amateurs without balls or talent but huge egos who give these horses a bad reputation.
Beate Mueller : YES! Where are you riding/training? I'm hoping to get back in the saddle soon (after a long illness) and will need a pair of good eyes on me for a long bit. I'd love to get rid of any bad movement patterns "once and for all" !!!!
Rebecca Ferguson I’m in Southern California
I have an offspring of Jazz! Love him. His name is Jin. He is very intelligent, self preserving & Very Capable, quirky too! Buckskin and only 16 hands.
🙋🏼♀️ Yes to more videos. Your training videos are my favorite. Maybe 3rd level work and under 😁🤞🏻
You cracked me up so bad when you said you could charge twice as much if you could master the German accent. 😂😂
Southern Latitudes I’m German and I think that was hilarious. I do sometimes feel bad though that I can get horses for a fraction of the price in Europe than Americans can
@@beatemueller7830 And boxers too!! I'm a huge boxer lover & mom. Those German heads area beautiful but to expensive over here in America.
You crack me up Joseph. Put a smile in my day. Thank you.
Jazz. I've heard that if he is the damsire it's a good thing but I don't know. Never owned one...but as an amateur it may stay that way. Never say never.
Spooky, Crazy, Chestnut. Sounds like something I would pick to ride. LOL!
More more more yes please of Jess and Joseph xxx
I have one of Jazz’s sons. He’s not spooky, but he is chestnut!
Beautiful long face and big ears 👂!!!! He will be missed
I have my hand up too for more Joesph and Jessica and the beautiful EDI ponies! I might call Jazz handsome hothead!
I have a Jazz! It has been a long road. Your sister knows her well 😁
Being Dutch and having seen a lot of offspring my 3 words would be. Hot, spooky and talented.
A Jazz offspring would not be my cup of tea.
At a Charlotte Dujardin clinic i was at there was i think 3 Jazz horses in one day. Charlotte pointed them out as Jazz babies. I think she likes them?? But understood their temperaments.Only one seemed spooky but they all were energetic and opinionated. 1 was black & 1 was bay and i can't remember the third colour.
Sharp ,move like a dream
Smart special spooky
My Jazz direct son is a dream horse. Kind capable brave talented. Not spooky. Uncomplicated AA dream. Yes stereotypes exist for a reason but not all fit that mold. 😊.
I've also read that Jazz's breeder has two clones? In the Netherlands? I didn't know that there were some in the US.
I would say "I want one". More Jess please. More Joseph too.
You are a good ride ing and good with horse
my Jazz offspring is ... LOFTY, CHESTNUT, SMART
Flamboyant
Dangerous Handsome Diamond-in-the-rough
I used to find that sparky horses would have more presence, that star energy.
How is Jazz doing as a Broodmare Sire. That will be the longterm legacy..
Just a follow up, I have found not all horse mature mentally at the same rate. There was a particular line of Egyptian Arabians that matured physically really fast but had a terrible reputation for temperament. I loved those horses, they got me into Arabs for awhile.. I just found them to be a year or two behind mentally, but they got screwed up by being pushed. The other issue I found specializing in difficult horses, was that they were never taught a work ethic or developed an attention span, both those things need to be taught very early on.
That awful bang when you fell off 😢
I like it it wood be spooky
He died.....I loved him at the stable... did some MLD on him... he was so lovely......but you have to be a good rider ... don't ride a maserati if you have a mini driver license........do you have more in hand video's, maybe tips for horses who have a difficult posture... crawling the nose to the chest (KPWN gelders)...
Who died please? The quarantain horse??
Joseph I remember ur buck off with Jazz and ur mom commenting “this is ur mother .....🤣”. Yes, exactly we grow thru the channeling spunky one’s but they are always the most agile, talented and UGH beautiful rite? Yep fun video-I think ur high on life or maybe it was the margaritas? Wld love to see a day by day training of a youngster with u!! Plzzzzzz?
Stephanie Smith I’m still nervous some days and I’m just his Mom getting a kick out of what he does. He is so funny.
JoElyn Newcomb You should be so proud of your son! He is so motivated, so talented, so hardworking and easy on the eyes so watching his videos and learning from him is a joy! Yep, I just got over 10 broken ribs from my big mare spooking near a cornfield-years ago I was ran over and airlifted so I understand your son’s passion! He is funny tho for sure! I’m glad we didn’t see that buck and fall of his-it sounded bad enough rite?!!
I remember it too!
Of course, he s a special one. They search for their "owner". Not meant for everyone red horses...😍🤩❤️❤️❤️
Like "someone" said, be smarter than your horse.😉
Privater Nutzer I agree on that I’ve started hundreds of horses in Germany and worked for many Grand Prix jumpers riding their young horses. Every single horse I’ve met that went on to do great things was difficult as a young horse. They are more intelligent and talented than your average horse and they know it, and if they have the fight to be a fierce competitor they just don’t accept any random person as alpha. You have to prove yourself worthy to them.
"The difficult horses makes you grow". That is so true. I tell that to my daughter too. My horse is not by all means grand prix material, but he sure is difficult and my daughter is riding him. He teaches her to be awake and to learn from her mistakes.
Jazz offspring...HOLD..MY...BEER!!
Yea
Its not the horse who is difficult, you are not worth because you don't understand him yet.
Once he trust you he will be loyal. Love discipline prevail
And yes he’s a redhead too
Quirky
Special
When I personally choose between talented or rideable, I’m choosing rideable. Of course, I’m an amateur, but Jazzes are pro rides in my opinion.
If you know one that’s talented but not rideable for an amateur, let me know. I love those horses. The crazier the better. I’ve started hundreds of horses in Germany and worked for many Grand Prix jumpers riding their young horses. Every single horse I’ve met that went on to do great things was difficult as a young horse. They are more intelligent and talented than your average horse and they know it, and if they have the fight to be a fierce competitor they just don’t accept any random person as alpha. You have to prove yourself worthy to them.
My hot headed mare
The reliability index is regarding how reliable is the data in the index. It has nothing to do with how reliable the horse is
Intelligent, electric, challenging
Sounds a bit like my horse about the spooking. Just last year my horse spooked when someone entered the arena and I got thrown into the wall and broke my collar bone. My horse was not from Jazz but just thought I would share.
D-line and R-line, Germany.
I was at a cow working clinic in Nebraska a few years ago with my Morgan who young, inexperienced and quite determined in her personality. A friend who was a really good hand had the perfect description of her. She's a horsemen's horse. So I adopted that not only for a description for tough horses but a way of thinking about them and turning them into something positive. Yes I've gotten a few knowledge bumps from those horses, but I learned what was shaping up. To me they have been my greatest teachers. So I would describe Jazz with just two words; Horsemen's horse.
Dan W Love that!
I trained horses for a living most of my life. Hated the politics and fads of showing so stopped that and just trained. By accident I specialized in difficult horses, at times in my life I have run ads looking for difficult horses, they are my therapy. I had/have great luck with those types, and I dont tell anyone, but they tend to be super easy... they are the smart ones. They made me a good trainer, made me be flexible in my approach made me solid in my basics. Love the tough ones, they are the best, IF your a true horseman.
Thank you for this comment. I am working with my first "difficult" mare. She is so talented (half KWPN btw), smart and different than any other horse I have been on. I find that I am half the issue. She is like a puzzle to be solved and I am so pleased that my trainer - who no longer rides - is giving me the shot to work with her as her primary rider. You are so right about the word flexibility. You can see how things can go wrong with them, but how they will reward you in spades when you figure them out and how pleased they are to do the very best job for you.
@@ole9186 Dont fight with a mare..lol. I would have people say that a difficult horse would come to me and I didnt seem to do anything for a week or so and then I would just get on and ride it. Kind of true, only that first week I was setting the bar really high for that horse and insisting it keep an eye on me all the time. People dont like to hear that you need to make them a bit afraid of you, or a better word might be wary of you, but it is the only way to get respect. Be tough, be demanding, be consistent and only reward the right answers and ignore all the rest, they will become your best friend, good luck, mares are my favorite.
I agree on that I’ve started hundreds of horses in Germany and worked for many Grand Prix jumpers riding their young horses. Every single horse I’ve met that went on to do great things was difficult as a young horse. They are more intelligent and talented than your average horse and they know it, and if they have the fight to be a fierce competitor they just don’t accept any random person as alpha. You have to prove yourself worthy to them.
@@beatemueller7830 So true. So long as I had the horse in training I would give the owner free lessons, not just riding lessons but lessons on how a horse learns and horsemanship from the ground, trying to get them to take the right approach. I think thou, that when I get to heaven I have a LOT of horses I need to apologize to from my earlier years.
done lookin I feel you. I’ve never been mean to a horse on purpose, but I did a lot of dumb shit as a child because I didn’t know better and was left unsupervised most of the time. I didn’t have a real trainer until I was 17, so I had to learn a lot by trial and error. And I feel sorry for a lot of those errors
My boy only has jazz like way up in his pedigree, but it's still there. He's way more talented then any offspring of my silly grade mare has a right to be, anatomy basically perfect, extremely intelligent, and both super easy and super hard to train at the same time xD He learns so fast his body can't keep up. Won't lunge anymore either *crying forever*
1 of the jazz Clones Hollywood rides now psg
So think of this, if clones are allowed to compete, someday there could be shows with all jazz's competing against each other.
Pam Walsh : It will be changing the dynamic in polo. A more homogenous line-up(they say) will tilt the 80% horse/ 20% rider equation more to the riders. It WILL be interesting....
Jas I like the horse Want a beautiful horse
word: particular
lotsa cloning in high goal polo(mares predominate, stallions typically too hot) Good horses in good barns last a long time and the big guns want EVERY possible minute so even embryo harvesting/surogate birth is not really great. I always wondered when the dressage bz would give it a go !
They say the clones often have knowledge/skills/reflexes that the original had acquired through training and competing...freeky/epigenetics no !?
That's fascinating!
For the moment clones don't seem to be as good as the original. Which means that training and feeding them correctly plays a big part
EMILIE GUILLON - Equitation : speak with more polo trainers/breeders PLS! I have links if u would prefer.
I’m not sure who does the subtitles for your videos but they could use an equine dictionary.
Keep up the videos, especially enjoy your drone pics from Europe. 🇨🇦
Isn't fumny how blood cares in horses.....i was a quarter person....i loved Leo blood...every Leo blooded horses i had had a broopy bottom lip....so i totally understand what u mean
Nannette Purcell : haha, Leo lip! I know it well(Denton girl). Cheers!
If you ride such a young and unexperienced horse you always have to ease and lean a little forward to not bring your weight behind. A horse that sensible will make an awesome dressage horse :-)
I am sorry to hear about Jazz, although I am not familiar with him. I should probably be on EDI but I hope to bring up a Facebook post that I just read today. I hope you (Joseph) can check this out. A trainer brought a horse from Europe by Jet Pet that was tested and passed using the WB test but on arrival tested positive by USDA for Glanders? The gelding has been in quarantine for over 7 weeks. The people are not wealthy, the rider is a 15 year old girl and her dad recently retired from the military after serving for 30 yrs! The USDA refuses to look at the 7 WB tests that show he is negative. If he is tested tomorrow using the American test and it still shows positive he is supposed to be euthanized. Could you please try to find out if this is true and maybe something can be done to save this horse!
It would be too much horse for me; I know my limitations as an adult amateur. I have a wonderful, young Wake Up gelding.
Who bucked me off today. Gonna be an epic bruise. Argh.
In just those few moments, I knew.....He has mule tendencies....lol ..
I would use a different bit.....bit changes....I sound like a broken record but horses are smart,larger,stronger then humans....When training first is controll, from there you use various cues....verbal, body...
It is hard for me to put pen to paper, taking a foal from bliss to stage....Most problems with attitude, behavior begin in the first stage of life....🐎🐎😎
It is know fun to fall
It’s difficult but you seem to have a handle on it. rip Jazz
As far as the German accent… do what or say what most of the American clinicians say… the Word “ Come”
I had problems with F horses in Germany when I trained there. F horses that were chestnut. I like Arkansas babies because they have such a great attitude and Bajazzo babies, so steady. I found W horses to have a good attitude too. If the brain isn't there there's not much you can do with them.
Don’t get hurt.
Jazz was a gorgeous horse. I don't have a jazz horse but I have a horse that is very hypersensitive, and hyper aware. It really spoke to me what you said about difficult horses and they make you grow. My mare has come so far in the year I've had her and I've learned alot too. Sometimes it can be difficult and frustrating, but she pushes me to be a better rider and trainer. And I will forever be grateful for her. After all the best things in life are worth working hard for. Love your videos!
do samting about your ringling feet nice Jazz horses
I have a Jazz granddaughter and agree with the sensitive and intelligent part haha! What I've found is they're really one-person horses. Since she has started to trust me, shes a completely different horse. Currently schooling PSG
Doesn't your sister (Amelia) have a Jazz horse ?
I had noticed that you didn't seem to import Jazz bloodlines .... so I am going to guess as my words .....
Not Amateur or Old lady friendly !!
Autsch!!! Your r true, same with Donnerhall,s. 😊
I’m putting my hand up to see more Joseph and Jess videos 🙋🏼♂️
Yes. It's unfair to ask if we want more Jess or Joseph. We want both 😄
Most famous dressage stallion in the world!? More famous than Donnerhall? Are you crazy! Certainly he was the most famous modern Dutch stallion.
LMAO, I can help you with the German accent! Wouldn't that be fun! BTW, I have seen a 60 plus year old lady ride a Jazz offspring in a clinic. She did a great job. Not sure if it was a direct offspring or second generation but I guess some of them go to amateur riders.
I think clones are sterile tho
I have a Jazz descendent. He is spooky, chestnut, tall, intelligent, sensitive and when it's right it's the best. The BEST!
Kudos for acknowledging Jazz at his passing. I am not a trainer by profession. That perspective is entirely different and sometimes relishes a challenge. I would not risk my physical well-being to ride a particular bloodline known for unpredictability. The horses you choose so carefully for EDI have met a temperament standard. That is where I would put my money. 💜
Hi again JOSEPH!
Yes I had read that about his passing. Must say I know the status of this horse but there are other great lines and horses out there that I would greatly prefer because of the temperament and unpredictability issues. Beauty is as beauty does! To me those things are very important to the complete package and would add unneeded stress to training and performing. Everyone is different though and might welcome and thrive with such horses. Must say you made me laugh at all your funny antics! Lol! Thx as always for sharing...
Two of the clones of Jazz do well at the subtop here in the Netherlands. Originally there where 3, one of them died. The cloning was really controversial because it is forbidden by law. That’s why they did it in the US en flew them back. If you are interested there’s a Dutch tv program that did an item on the 3 clones. Unfortunately it is in Dutch and has no subtitles.
Interesting. It would be nice to have some more news about them 😄
Many "spooky" horses anxiety can be reduced by proper in hand work but most of us, professionals included (especially?), are too busy or too convinced they have all the answers. Show horses especially need it.
We want you both!
More training videos.
Jazz; some horses need more of a one on one with their rider/ partner. I would be like Jazz, just don't throw up a rider I don't know, and expect me to be comfortable with that. Super sensitive, high intelligence
No such thing as a spooky horse...a horse out of control...yes...not fully trained...yes....out of balance....yes...why are they all red heads? 😅😂😅well, more red heads...
needed to watch this,..... i have an amazing spooky ,wild ,hyper sensitive, talented horse that is pushing me to question everything i know !!! This almost brought me to tears as i see greatness in this horse while everyone else is like nooooooo,,,,,,,
Jazz horse felt your exhausted body and wasn't comfortable with you on his back. His ears were back from the get-go… it definitely sounded awful when you him that wall.
Awful bang
I have a redheaded Welsh Cob that I bought as a weanling. At 8 I am still struggling with his hot spookiness, so unlike his steadier 1/2 bro I also started myself and bought at 1 1/2. I have learned so much from him and it goes on day by day. I lunge him with subtle cues of body position, hands open or closed, eyes open wide or squinting, deep breaths and quiet words. It's like playing a musical instrument. So much talent in this pocket rocket. I blame the hotness on his dam line. Your video helps me not feel alone.
I have a Jazz! He picked me when he was 4... he’s 6 coming 7 now! Intelligent, loves his humans!! Opinionated! Talented...powerhouse, made it to USDF finals both years... I always have to think outside of the box with him. It can be exhausting but also very rewarding!
I actually own one of jazz's kids! I was super surprised to see that he's not a lot like jazz haha. He's a sweet guy but is very hard to get going at times. Before we got him he used to be an eventer, but now i've been showing him hunters and eq and he has done super well! He switches between being very lazy and sometimes a bit too much to hold back, but even when he does spook, he's super honest. Looking at him and Jazz i can definitly see the similarity in looks, but when it comes to personality I think they're pretty different
There are always exceptions. :). Cool to hear.
Hey Joseph! You worked with us in WA.! My Easton (Elliott)!is a Jazz horse, well his dad is Westpoint, “grandpa” was Jazz 💗 Learning so much about Jazz I didn’t know. Elliott can certainly be spooky about nothing while being super level headed about crazy stuff. Certainly opinionated and strong willed but so personable, special and so much talent. I know Elliott will do Jazz proud ❤️
More Jazz, Jess and Jospeh please!!
Great video! I know a Jazz mare, she is sooo crazy, but equally talented. She just requires a very specific type of rider. Could you make a video like this on Totilas? Im considering him as a stud for my mare :D
I have a Jazz and he is AMAZING. He is super sensitive and he needs to have a say in what we do. He was also extremely spooky, but I clicker train him, which made him much more secure AND I teach him everything from the ground first (in hand work). He is absolutely too difficult tot a beginner, but I totally love everthing about him (even when he gets angry when he learns something new LOL).
I've ridden and kinda played with Jazz horses and I love his daughters! All of them, so sweet, so gentle and so much fun to be around. Yes, they spook easily but that can be trained, and you can teach a horse to breathe out, let the tension go....... I always tell my mare: ok back to your chill. And then a deep sigh and she's calm again.
I ride dressage, I do some natural horsemanship and I kinda made my own mix of things that work for me and work for the horses, so I can use the hotheadedness FOR me instead of it working against me. I like working with the horse.
You people make horses live their lives in stalls, yet you can't understand how they could be dangerous?...
@@jessicabella5762 Take a week out of your life and spend half of the day locked in a closet alone, and see how you like it. A horse that lives outside is not going to be so excited about being outside that he is going to hurt himself. Wishing you could let your horse live a natural lifestyle doesn't make a stall any less abusive. Stalls are common in the horse industry and they aren't going away anytime soon... especially with people like you constantly defending solitary confinement.
Thanks for watching!
Spooky, Crazy, Chestnut. Sounds like something I would pick to ride. LOL!