This year has been absolutely great around the league. Crazy stuff but I think Acuna gets it. His run is more historic which pushes the votes in his favor.
but the bases are only 99.95% of what they were last year, so really you can cut those stolen bases in half….. and Acuña Jr. is the only one playing on a diamond with bigger bases….. wait…. what if every park moved their plate one foot forward, it wouldn’t matter because Acuña Jr. averages 425 ft per homer (number 1 in length, and exit velo”) Acuña Jr. is simply on another level…. no gaps, no slumps, no excuses
@@zhoubaidinh403yeah your lost in the sauce ain't no way mookie season doesn't even touch acuna season he is obviously the most valuable player to his entire league not just his team
I am biased as a Braves fan but I think the incredible consistency that Acuna has shown for the entire year having batted over .300 and doing awesome stuff like the 40/almost70 will give him the cake. Mookie has been amazing but had a slower start and wasnt thought of until later in the year.
As a Dodgers fan, I wouldn't be surprised if either Acuña or Mookie wins it. It's insane that the top 4 MVP front runners are all with the Dodgers or Braves. Insanity
There is literally no way acuna doesn’t win it, he boutta go 40 hr 70 sb which no one has EVER done, and he already broke the record for that with his 30 hr 60 sb achievement. There’s a possibility we won’t ever see this level of production again so he definitely has to win it.
Acuna should get it, the story goes crazy, coming back from an acl tear and a let down season to this is remarkable and his marketablity is better than mookie
That’s nice, but both reasons you gave have nothing to do with the actual MVP voting criteria, which are: (1) actual value of the player to his team in strength of offense and defense; (2) number of games played; and (3) general character, disposition, loyalty & effort
@@Lukeodom0415Take Acuna off of the Braves and they don't get much worse. The team is stacked. Can't even begin to say the same for Mookie and the Dodgers.
@@Mr_Kirk_But baseball isn’t as much of a team sport like others. Sure the Braves would be good without him, but with him are easily the best team. Being the best player on the best team is far better lmao
And to say you don’t think of Acuna when you say the 2021 braves is fucking stupid. He is the entire reason we stayed in it. We would win lose win lose always be at 500 the entire season. Acuna was the only player that kept us alive before he got hurt. HE WAS A FUCKING HUGE PART OF THE 2021 season. HE DESERVES THAT RING MORE THAN ANYONE. Don’t DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT AGAIN.
I know it's fantasy baseball, but take it into consideration. Position rank 1 right fielder (as their starting position) is Acuna, #2 is Mookie. Position rank 1 first baseman (as their starting position) is Olson, #2 is Freeman.
Mookie is definitely one of the best to play this game. However, Mookie's MVP MONTH does not supercede Ronald Acuna's MVP YEAR!! Mookie is exactly what he's supposed to be right now.... a runner up! That's exactly If the Braves and Dodgers meet up in the Championship series again this year. The performances between the two will most definitely seal the deal. No matter what was accomplished during the season. MVP's lead their team to a world series championship. We'll see what happens soon enough
If the season ended in early September I probably would’ve given the mvp to Mookie but I think he’s cooled off for a little bit and the season doesn’t end in September anyways
@danteramirez9816 Yeah, I can agree. Personally, I really do believe these voters are going to allow the championship series determine the MVP outcome. If....the Braves and Doders meet up again
@@Coop22 Stats show Acuna's been terrible in RF in both total zone and outs above average (-8 this year). He has a good arm and speed, but terrible tracking and jump. If he was elite in fielding, his WAR would be insane.
@@panner11 I don't think the defensive metrics are that reliable. I agree he doesn't read the ball well off that bat, but as someone who watches him play every day, he very rarely costs us runs out there. He makes up for terrible reads and routes with speed and sheer athleticism. I just don't buy the notion that he is below average. Moreover, his arm is such a powerful deterrent when it comes to the opposing team going first to third or a runner at third going for home. I don't know if or how that's calculated in OAA, but they're almost certainly under-counting the benefits of his arm. I remember in 2021 when we had basically a AAA outfield for a couple of months, and teams ran on us all the time. The difference is very noticeable. His arm has saved us many, many bases.
@ifithrewmyguitaroutt However, Mookie's arm in right has saved the Dodgers on multiple occasions, just ask Trent Grisham. Plus how many Gold Gloves does he have in right. The fact that Mookie can play the middle infield gives the Dodgers better match up flexibility. That alone makes him more valuable to his team.
One of the reasons mookies war is higher is because he plays a lot of shortstop and that’s a very valuable position and his defense is good there so it adds more war to him
Acuna is having a historic year and may go 40/40, there's no arguement, he's the MVP. WAR takes into consideration that Mookie is a 2B for parts of the season, which is nonsense.
@AG-fv4yb it's nonsense to compare WAR in this instance, because it artificially increases Mookie's WAR as well as his OPS+. Second basemen don't hit 40 HRs often, so that's spiked that number for him. Fielding wise, he's a better fielder, who's committed one less error, cause he's played 3 positions this year. The only category he's leading Acuna in is homeruns and Acuna would likely have more if he weren't hitting over .330.
@@mjt07f bro, how does a position dictate your offensive performance? It is so annoying to hear stuff like this because i guarantee you can find a superstar for each position. How many people hit 40hrs a year? Less than 10, around there. It doesn't matter if second baseman don't hit 40 hrs because they play second base. You have a guy that can play elite defense at 2nd and Short, in what way is that "artificial"? If he's gifted enough to do that, it adds to his value because he can play multiple positions and not worry about that position lacking defensively. It opens up options for the team by adding a lefty OF if they want to
One guy is having a great season, another guy is having a season that will never happen again. It's an easy answer, Acuna will win in a landslide. It's crazy to look at Mookie's season and knowing its still not in the ballpark of Acuna's.
yea acuna been more consistent but when ur on the best team in baseball and u even have fucking orlando arcia hitting 270 it helps acuna because he gets alot better pitches betts beats him in rbis homers walks and ops ops plus slugging when he played 9 less games and had 65 less atbats than acuna
you dont bat .310 with 39 homers and the highest ops by having "one month". imo Acuna is winning the mvp, but the argument that Mookie has only had a month of good play is one of the most braindead takes of the 2023 season.
@greencat1849 Yeah mookoe definitely fell off since I posted that comment lol. At the time it was far more of an agrument. Beside braves and dodgers both did what they do best anyway and got absolutely no value from their mvps in the playoffs. But yeah acuna definitely ended up deserving it.
At the end of the day this race has been narrative versus value. All the advanced stats point to Mookie being more deserving, as his edge in weighted created more than outweighs Acuña’s edge in baserunning runs created while being the better and more versatile defender, meanwhile Acuña’s big argument is that he’s put two numbers together we’ve never seen next to each other before, had a stronger start, and a better team around him. That being said, it really seems like people are unmoved by the fact that Betts has been the league’s most valuable player, as at this point it seems like a lock to go to Acuña.
Acunas main argument isn't the "two numbers". It's having an OPS of .918 every month of the season. He may score 150 runs and get 220 hits. Those are very rare stats, and then there is likely 40 homers and 70 steals. He leads the league in runs, hits, total bases, OBP, OPS, and wOBA
I am a Miami Marlins fan here and I will tell you now Acuna is better than Betts. Acuna seems to hit .350 every single month. And I know from experience that Acuna scares me everytime he comes to the plate. Dude is just above everyone else; even Betts. Acuna is in another league and he actually reminds myself of Hank Aaron. Who I believe was the best all around player to ever play baseball.
The one thing I think you missed is that mookie has played gold glove defense at right, second regularly and ss I think 12 times as well. I think that's kind of important... That said the biggest shame imo is one of them won't win it in a year they both clearly deserve it.
1) Mookie has never played LF 2) Mookie actually has below average defense in the OF...notice his -1 OAA. Not even remotely close to "gold glove" defense
@DoUbleedblue But hey, if you're down to give a gold glove to an overall -3 OAA defender instead of guys Tatis, Doyle, Bader, ect. who all have 10+ OAA
another interesting thing abt mookie is that, both mookie and acuna are top superstar right fielders, and mookie has also been a star second baseman, and even shortstop. close race
Acuña has to win it (totally not being a Braves bias) every stat Acuña leads in is by a lot for example stolen bases, every stat Mookie Betts leads in is just by a little bit, the only thing Mookie is way better in is fielding
No disrespect to Mookie, but Acuna is having a better season. We’ve seen numbers like Mookie’s before, but if Acuna gets 40/70, that would be historic.
After last night Acuna is the NL MVP. This man is probably gonna finish with 40+ HR, 70+ SB, 40 doubles, 150+ runs scored while hitting over 330 and leading the league in hits. I think he's now pretty much tied with Betts in war. The MVP race is now over.
MVP means Most Valuable Player. Acuña does lead in many offensive stats but Mookie’s value is higher in his defensive versatility to go along with his also insane offense. Mookie’s ability to play 2nd base & SS is a value that Acuña doesn’t provide. You can’t even compare Acuña’s defense to Mookie’s at any time. This allows the Dodgers to play other players at right field and use Mookie at other positions and still be elite. Put Acuña at any other position and his offense might suffer.
Mookie went from right fielder to utility player. He now also plays shortstop and second. I believe he has more games at short than anywhere else this year
I'm a Dodger fan and it's going to be Acuna. Mookies August was on another planet and he would have needed to do that again in September to win it. He didn't. It's going to be close for sure but Acuna has it by a few votes. Well deserved.
How the hell are you talking about MVP and not mentioning Corey Seager? The fact that he's top 5 in batting average, slugging, and OPS, as well as he's second in doubles, top 20 in HRs and top 25 in RBIs despite missing more than 40 games is insane. He's number 1 in batting average in the AL.
@@lukedeakin7124Oooh you're right. I'm so used to the NFL where MVP is one player. I don't think it goes to Ohtani though since the Angels have kind of sucked tbh. Seager has put up insane numbers that have helped his team basically go to the playoffs if things stay as they are when they didn't even break 70 wins last season.
Mookie can play 2B and SS, and well too. Not saying that should give him MVP but you don’t mention it. It has been used a lot and he has changed positions in game a ton bc it allowed them to put pitch hitters in. His stats right now are about 100 in OF, 55 at 2B, and 15 at SS. That number is well over amount of games played bc they changed him in game over 35 times. Teams normally don’t usually have luxury of putting in pitch hitters like that but Mookie allows them too.
That's the only thing people mention, cause Acuna is better at everything else other than the defense you talk about. And if you're going to talk about inside things like that, you have to realize that when Acuna gets on 1B, pitchers throw more fastballs to prevent the steal...more fastballs to the best fastball hitting team in MLB. There's a good reason why Ozzie, Olson, and Riley are having career best HR seasons.
@@greencat1849 I totally think Acuña should win it and I think the past week has likely all but sealed it up. the only way i could have realistically seen a strong case for betts is if he kept on the same torrid pace from august. he's hit like .300 with 5hr / 15rbi this month but he would have need more to even remain in the conversation. i hope people don't go crazy in the last meaningless week for braves and dodgers and anomaly of acuña going cold and betts going insane skews the numbers to make them look more even then they actually are.
Acuna... 40-70 club... He has stepped his game up A LOT. Mookie is great but he isn't even playing up to his 2018 MVP. He is close but to that year but not there. Been a great race to watch but Acuna is hands down the best NL player this year
I also want to bring up that mookie plays 2nd base also. He is adding value to the team by moving to wherever they need him. As a dodgers fan I feel like it makes it closer than it is but even then acuna has it no doubt I feel like
Yeah all of baseball history. coincidence that it happens to be the first year with bigger bases and pickoff limits? I understand he made history but he certainly won't be the only one in his club for the next 10 decades. Many players would have done this before if they had the same advantages
As a fan of baseball and a Dodgers fan, Acunas season is something you don’t see every day and it’s rare feat..Mookie is having an amazing season and had he not missed games, even closer but I see what I see..Acuna is the deserving NL MVP
Acunas 30/60 season will literally probably happen next year, Corbin Carroll will probably end with 25/50 this year as a rookie, pretty sure he can make it to 30/60 next year. There's other candidates as well who have the speed to get the extra stolen bases. Not blaming Acuna for taking advantage of the new rules but it's pretty obvious that they helped. I wouldn't be upset if either one won the MVP
@@AG-fv4ybdude he has 37 home runs and 66 stolen bases not 30 and 60… he also still might get to 40. You cant just round his home runs down to get your point across
@@scranemdranem336 i never said he couldn't get 40/70 but didn't he sit out a game or two recently due to calf tightness? 40/70 is much harder to get to and is much more significant. I point out 30/60 because he's the first in history and people are using that as a means to have him as a lock for MVP. My point is 30/60 will be done as early a next year 40/70 will not and it might be awhile before we see that again
@@AG-fv4yb im hoping he gets 40/70 so that can be locked away, I like both Mookie and Acuna but im only cheering for acuna because he hasnt won an mvp yet and it would be an amazing comeback from the acl injury
@@scranemdranem336 I'm a dodgers fan so I would like to see mookie win but I wouldn't be mad if Acuna won. This whole MVP race has brought so much hate on mookie for no reason mostly from braves fans and its just nuts. I can make a case for either guy and I love watching Acuna, I wish enjoying other players and teams wasn't so foreign and people didn't just go straight to hating a player because he has one bad game
Start with Overall Offensive Worth or OOW…take OPS+AVE+BABIP+ISO+BB/K +BB%-SO%=OOW Then take their Total Offensive Impact Score or TOIS….RBIs+RUNs+BB+HBP+TB+SAC+SACF=TOIS. Who ever has the least amount of plate appearances with the highest OOW and TOIS on the last day of the season should be MVP. Cheers and go Phillies!!!!
Mookie is absolute DOG, but Ronnie was never not winning MVP this season (except for the week before the crazy Dodgers season). Their numbers are almost identical but I’m sorry dodgers fans…. Being the first one in the 40-70 club is a better sorry line than your right fielder being able to play 2B and SS sometimes…
We should not be so quick to give acuna the MVP. he will win it, but we should give the award to the statistically more productive player. Right now, that’s mookie by a narrow margin. His wOBA is better, as well as OPS+ and WRC+ which takes into account stolen bases (which are of course much more common after the rule change). acuna’s xwOBA is better, but all that says is were it not for uncontrollables like fielding and ballpark environment, he WOULD HAVE had the better season. Mookie Betts has had OBJECTIVELY better offensive contributions per plate appearance, not to mention his fielding prowess.
Acunas OPS and wOBA are higher than Betts. He is leading Betts in all advanced metrics, and the only counting stat Betts beats Acuna in is walks (with a worse walk to strikeout ratio) and RBIs by three. Acuna has 35 more hits and 15 more runs scored.
@@gretz5792 true. The convincing case is the 40-70 combination along with extremely rare stats like 145 to 150 runs scored, and 215-220 hits. Then there is also the fact that acuna has had the best hitting season in statcast history, with an xBA of .357 and an xwOBA of .466. And after today I'm pretty sure the bWAR and fWAR difference will drop yet again
I'm a big Dodgers fan and I love Mookie, who deserves the award at least as much as Acuña. But I feel the voters will give it to the Braves phenom. There's really no wrong choice. Let's make a deal Atlanta gets the regular season MVP and Los Angeles gets the World Series MVP. Hahaha
Mookie could get a gold glove and either shirt 2nd or right. Versatility is one of the most valuable traits a player can have allowing the coach to play other guys and still keep that bat in the line up
That's why teams super utility players win MVP every year...Oh wait! Mookie's only supposed claim to the MVP award was OPS and Homeruns... Well what do you know? Acuna has topped him in those also. The MVP race is over (of course that has been the case since showing him and the Dodgers up in that series.)
I have always been a bit unimpressed by the MVP Award. Most of the time, it is the best offensive player that gets this award rather than the actual player that did the most for his team. My guess is that Acuna will win but, IMO, it should be Betts. Betts has played Gold Glove baseball at 3 positions and has carried the Dodgers (along with Freeman) for most of the season whereas the Braves are just stacked. Acuna is a badass but is a badass within a team of badasses. Is he the MVP of baseball and the Braves or is he the Player of the Year? I really wish there was major significance given to both (rather than just the MVP) and that the MVP was the true most valuable player on the team and in baseball... in every facet.☺
Acuna is obviously having a MVP caliber year and he will probably win it. Betts's value to dodgers is incalculable imo. Guy can play every position on the field pretty much. Mookie Lynn Betts is the real MVP
You know what's REALLY crazy? Matt Kemp had the same numbers in 2011 Acuña has now, but the voters choose PED master Ryan Braun as the NL MVP, just because there is such thing as "East Coast bias". So it doesn't matter Mookie played 2 positions this year, same voters are gonna pick Acuña just because he wears more bling and plays in the east. Sadly these awards are a Popularity Contest not a meritocracy
Oh mookie you lead in 2 categories? Acuna leads in damn near all the rest!. Oh bad news now acunas taken those stats too now. lol. Acuna not being voted MVP would be a travesty. Oh yeah, one more thing. Believe it or not they have an honor for a player that plays out of their mind for a month. It's called Player of the Month! MVP is the Most Valuable Player of the year. Acuna is clearly that player this year. Even before he went off in September hitting homer after homer to become only baseballs 5th player ever to go 40/40 but now any argument against him is ridiculous. 40/70! That's crazy and used to be thought a 40/50 season was impossible let alone a 40/60 and 40/70 is just ridiculous. Some haters want to talk the rule changes as an excuse for his SB totals but that's stupid. Even if the bigger bags halp a little look back at every Acuna steal and tell me how many were even close enough for that to affect it. It's not just Acuna either. This Braves team gets talked about a lot for how insanely good it is but even that doesnt do them justice. He is the spark plug for likely the greatest offense ever. Don't take my word check out the stats and you will see how special this line up is. Go ahead and think in your head of which teams you think were the best ever and compare them to this Braves offense. Just last night they moved ahead of the historic 1927 Yankees team in HR differential. Up to +117. They are on pace to become the first team ever to end a season with overall team slugging over .500. They have a record tying 5 players with 30 or more HR's The first team to ever have 3 guys over 35 HR. We can only imagine what their record would be had they had their Ace and #3 pitcher nearly all year. They had more starting pitchers used this year than anyone yet here they stand.They are 4 Austin Riley RBI's away from having their top 4 in the lineup all over 100 RBIS and the 5th with 90 how historically powerful is this team? only team in top 5 that didnt happen in 2019 when something was up with the balls. It their pitchers can stay healthy and bullpen get back to how good it was I don't think anyone can beat them in the playoffs.
you gotta give the MVP to ronnie once he gets to 40 HR right? if a number based stat in war is supposedly what gives mookie dan iedge in some arguements, i'd say getting the first ever 40/60 season (possibly 40/70 by the end of the year) has gotta cement him as the MVP in my book
@@jamirbingham4101 not to mention Acuña Jr. is number 1 in average home run length and exit velocity…. it’s also not a WAR competition, its MVP….. Nraves just got swept by Miami without acuna
Team Mookie or Team Acuna?
Acuna 100%.
Acuña
Mookie babyyyyy
Stats wise it's mookie no argument really. But we all know Acuna is winning it because he broke a record thats how mlb mvp works.
Acuna
This year has been absolutely great around the league. Crazy stuff but I think Acuna gets it. His run is more historic which pushes the votes in his favor.
both are deserving, but acuña's season is historic
Acuña is on the cusp of a 40-70 season. Kinda crazy how he’s been this consistent all year.
but the bases are only 99.95% of what they were last year, so really you can cut those stolen bases in half….. and Acuña Jr. is the only one playing on a diamond with bigger bases….. wait…. what if every park moved their plate one foot forward, it wouldn’t matter because Acuña Jr. averages 425 ft per homer (number 1 in length, and exit velo”) Acuña Jr. is simply on another level…. no gaps, no slumps, no excuses
Been a crazy good race but Acuña is gonna get it
Mookie got this, Acuna's just a flashy blinged punk!
idk we shall see
@@zhoubaidinh403yeah so what are you?💀
@@zhoubaidinh403you can’t be serious 🤣🤣
@@zhoubaidinh403yeah your lost in the sauce ain't no way mookie season doesn't even touch acuna season he is obviously the most valuable player to his entire league not just his team
If Acuña doesn’t win he was straight up robbed
As a Braves fan, seeing Matt Olson and Freddie Freeman, both in the MVP race is crazy
I am biased as a Braves fan but I think the incredible consistency that Acuna has shown for the entire year having batted over .300 and doing awesome stuff like the 40/almost70 will give him the cake. Mookie has been amazing but had a slower start and wasnt thought of until later in the year.
I always knew Acuna would do this, I always was a believer
As a Dodgers fan, I wouldn't be surprised if either Acuña or Mookie wins it. It's insane that the top 4 MVP front runners are all with the Dodgers or Braves. Insanity
Kudos to the Braves for sticking with Acuna and the Red Sox are clowns for trading Mookie 🤡
They had to trade mookie they couldn’t afford him
They had to, could they have gotten more absolutely
@@oknows8chose not to?
Could have extended him before they didn't have money. Acuna got his deal after his 2nd season I think.
@@timmartin2417 ownership didn’t want to
Acuna made history this year Acuna for MVP❤❤❤
It did take 4 outfielders playing lights out to replace Ronald’s production.
There is literally no way acuna doesn’t win it, he boutta go 40 hr 70 sb which no one has EVER done, and he already broke the record for that with his 30 hr 60 sb achievement. There’s a possibility we won’t ever see this level of production again so he definitely has to win it.
Acuna should get it, the story goes crazy, coming back from an acl tear and a let down season to this is remarkable and his marketablity is better than mookie
That’s nice, but both reasons you gave have nothing to do with the actual MVP voting criteria, which are: (1) actual value of the player to his team in strength of offense and defense; (2) number of games played; and (3) general character, disposition, loyalty & effort
@@Adam-mj5hlso acuna should get it
@@Lukeodom0415Take Acuna off of the Braves and they don't get much worse. The team is stacked. Can't even begin to say the same for Mookie and the Dodgers.
This is real life not a story
@@Mr_Kirk_But baseball isn’t as much of a team sport like others. Sure the Braves would be good without him, but with him are easily the best team. Being the best player on the best team is far better lmao
Crazy how these mvp players are on the first two teams to win their own division
Just look at the braves last 3 games WITHOUT Acuna. He's the mvp
Acuña is doing something that is never been done before in mlb history. Team acuña let's go
And to say you don’t think of Acuna when you say the 2021 braves is fucking stupid. He is the entire reason we stayed in it. We would win lose win lose always be at 500 the entire season. Acuna was the only player that kept us alive before he got hurt. HE WAS A FUCKING HUGE PART OF THE 2021 season. HE DESERVES THAT RING MORE THAN ANYONE. Don’t DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT AGAIN.
Mookie has also played a lot of infield this year, if versatility is something to value.
I know it's fantasy baseball, but take it into consideration.
Position rank 1 right fielder (as their starting position) is Acuna, #2 is Mookie.
Position rank 1 first baseman (as their starting position) is Olson, #2 is Freeman.
Mookie is definitely one of the best to play this game. However, Mookie's MVP MONTH does not supercede Ronald Acuna's MVP YEAR!!
Mookie is exactly what he's supposed to be right now.... a runner up!
That's exactly
If the Braves and Dodgers meet up in the Championship series again this year. The performances between the two will most definitely seal the deal. No matter what was accomplished during the season. MVP's lead their team to a world series championship. We'll see what happens soon enough
If the season ended in early September I probably would’ve given the mvp to Mookie but I think he’s cooled off for a little bit and the season doesn’t end in September anyways
@danteramirez9816 Yeah, I can agree. Personally, I really do believe these voters are going to allow the championship series determine the MVP outcome.
If....the Braves and Doders meet up again
I think tonight's homer for Ronald will seal it. 40/60/100 with an average in the 330s. That's historic.
Word
You forgot to say that Mookie Betts is not just playing right field. He’s playing second base shortstop and right field
And is legitimately a better defender than Acuna
@@kevin.skorupaI disagree that either one is substantially better than the other in RF. They are both elite RF’ers
@@Coop22 Stats show Acuna's been terrible in RF in both total zone and outs above average (-8 this year). He has a good arm and speed, but terrible tracking and jump. If he was elite in fielding, his WAR would be insane.
@@panner11 I don't think the defensive metrics are that reliable. I agree he doesn't read the ball well off that bat, but as someone who watches him play every day, he very rarely costs us runs out there. He makes up for terrible reads and routes with speed and sheer athleticism. I just don't buy the notion that he is below average. Moreover, his arm is such a powerful deterrent when it comes to the opposing team going first to third or a runner at third going for home. I don't know if or how that's calculated in OAA, but they're almost certainly under-counting the benefits of his arm. I remember in 2021 when we had basically a AAA outfield for a couple of months, and teams ran on us all the time. The difference is very noticeable. His arm has saved us many, many bases.
@ifithrewmyguitaroutt However, Mookie's arm in right has saved the Dodgers on multiple occasions, just ask Trent Grisham. Plus how many Gold Gloves does he have in right. The fact that Mookie can play the middle infield gives the Dodgers better match up flexibility. That alone makes him more valuable to his team.
40 HR, 70 SB, over 125 R, over 200 hits, over .330 BA., 1.000 OPS, 100 RBIs..... if that doesn't win the MVP the world may explode
One of the reasons mookies war is higher is because he plays a lot of shortstop and that’s a very valuable position and his defense is good there so it adds more war to him
Acuna is having a historic year and may go 40/40, there's no arguement, he's the MVP. WAR takes into consideration that Mookie is a 2B for parts of the season, which is nonsense.
How is that nonsense? Also if you compare RF to RF, Mookie is way better and is not even close defensively
@AG-fv4yb it's nonsense to compare WAR in this instance, because it artificially increases Mookie's WAR as well as his OPS+. Second basemen don't hit 40 HRs often, so that's spiked that number for him. Fielding wise, he's a better fielder, who's committed one less error, cause he's played 3 positions this year. The only category he's leading Acuna in is homeruns and Acuna would likely have more if he weren't hitting over .330.
@@mjt07f bro, how does a position dictate your offensive performance? It is so annoying to hear stuff like this because i guarantee you can find a superstar for each position. How many people hit 40hrs a year? Less than 10, around there. It doesn't matter if second baseman don't hit 40 hrs because they play second base. You have a guy that can play elite defense at 2nd and Short, in what way is that "artificial"? If he's gifted enough to do that, it adds to his value because he can play multiple positions and not worry about that position lacking defensively. It opens up options for the team by adding a lefty OF if they want to
bWar and fWar are not the same...
fax some people just dumb man@@AG-fv4yb
One guy is having a great season, another guy is having a season that will never happen again. It's an easy answer, Acuna will win in a landslide. It's crazy to look at Mookie's season and knowing its still not in the ballpark of Acuna's.
The mvp is all year, not just one month! Acuna has been amazing all year, and for me, he’s going to win the mvp
mookie been hitting 320 for like 3 and a half months
yea acuna been more consistent but when ur on the best team in baseball and u even have fucking orlando arcia hitting 270 it helps acuna because he gets alot better pitches
betts beats him in rbis homers walks and ops ops plus slugging when he played 9 less games and had 65 less atbats than acuna
@@masonmalaguti3463acuna is ahead in avg, obp, runs, and has over 50 more stolen bases while only being a homer or two behind
you dont bat .310 with 39 homers and the highest ops by having "one month". imo Acuna is winning the mvp, but the argument that Mookie has only had a month of good play is one of the most braindead takes of the 2023 season.
wewill see by the end of sep i be rooting for mookie tho @@BagelsEater
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This is going to be a crazy mvp race
It should be but It is not. Everyone and their mom knows acuna is winning it because mvp values records over actual value as unfortunate as that is
@@starpotatoes768Acuna value > Mookie
Unanimous, cry bout it
@greencat1849 Yeah mookoe definitely fell off since I posted that comment lol. At the time it was far more of an agrument. Beside braves and dodgers both did what they do best anyway and got absolutely no value from their mvps in the playoffs. But yeah acuna definitely ended up deserving it.
It’s Acuna. This is absolutely no debate. This shit is ridiculous
Its over boys and girls.. Acuña sealed the deal tonight! Ronald Acuña MVP!
Acuña has now caught up in HR and passed Mookie in OPS
Bro got almost 70 bags you kidding me
At the end of the day this race has been narrative versus value. All the advanced stats point to Mookie being more deserving, as his edge in weighted created more than outweighs Acuña’s edge in baserunning runs created while being the better and more versatile defender, meanwhile Acuña’s big argument is that he’s put two numbers together we’ve never seen next to each other before, had a stronger start, and a better team around him. That being said, it really seems like people are unmoved by the fact that Betts has been the league’s most valuable player, as at this point it seems like a lock to go to Acuña.
Acunas main argument isn't the "two numbers". It's having an OPS of .918 every month of the season. He may score 150 runs and get 220 hits. Those are very rare stats, and then there is likely 40 homers and 70 steals. He leads the league in runs, hits, total bases, OBP, OPS, and wOBA
Shut up, nerd.
Yeah now they point to acuna sooo…
I am a Miami Marlins fan here and I will tell you now Acuna is better than Betts. Acuna seems to hit .350 every single month. And I know from experience that Acuna scares me everytime he comes to the plate. Dude is just above everyone else; even Betts. Acuna is in another league and he actually reminds myself of Hank Aaron. Who I believe was the best all around player to ever play baseball.
Ronald Acuna MVP❤❤❤
The one thing I think you missed is that mookie has played gold glove defense at right, second regularly and ss I think 12 times as well. I think that's kind of important... That said the biggest shame imo is one of them won't win it in a year they both clearly deserve it.
Mookie has never played left this season
1) Mookie has never played LF
2) Mookie actually has below average defense in the OF...notice his -1 OAA. Not even remotely close to "gold glove" defense
@@greencat1849 yeah I mistyped, but those SIX gold gloves don't lie bro
@@275Vet-RLTW Those six gold gloves weren't given for his production THIS year
@DoUbleedblue But hey, if you're down to give a gold glove to an overall -3 OAA defender instead of guys Tatis, Doyle, Bader, ect. who all have 10+ OAA
another interesting thing abt mookie is that, both mookie and acuna are top superstar right fielders, and mookie has also been a star second baseman, and even shortstop.
close race
Excited for tmr
Acuña has to win it (totally not being a Braves bias) every stat Acuña leads in is by a lot for example stolen bases, every stat Mookie Betts leads in is just by a little bit, the only thing Mookie is way better in is fielding
called it
No disrespect to Mookie, but Acuna is having a better season. We’ve seen numbers like Mookie’s before, but if Acuna gets 40/70, that would be historic.
40-70 was made official as of a few hours ago
Freddie Freeman is having a historic season, only player in MLB history with a 25+ HRs, 55+ 2Bs, 20 SBs
After last night Acuna is the NL MVP. This man is probably gonna finish with 40+ HR, 70+ SB, 40 doubles, 150+ runs scored while hitting over 330 and leading the league in hits. I think he's now pretty much tied with Betts in war. The MVP race is now over.
Team Acuna all the way
As much as i love Mookie, this is the year Acuna wins the first of more to come.
Let's not Forget Mookie has played different positions this year.
Betts has fallen off and Acuna is pouring it on. He will most likely do a 40/70 season and that is your MVP folks.
Gotta be Ronnie. Mookie is having an incredible season but Ronald is having a historic season
Acuna has done just about everything better he’s done too much.
I think ACÚNA will win cause he being doing it all season tho Mookie had a phenomenal August..
MVP means Most Valuable Player. Acuña does lead in many offensive stats but Mookie’s value is higher in his defensive versatility to go along with his also insane offense. Mookie’s ability to play 2nd base & SS is a value that Acuña doesn’t provide. You can’t even compare Acuña’s defense to Mookie’s at any time. This allows the Dodgers to play other players at right field and use Mookie at other positions and still be elite. Put Acuña at any other position and his offense might suffer.
Mvp also about narratives and breaking records, mookie is having an amazing season but if acuna gets 40/70 it pretty much a lock for him
Acuna unanimous, cry bout it
Acura has just did something historical and hit the Ball very very well in September clearly Acura.
This is like the great race of 98
Mookie went from right fielder to utility player. He now also plays shortstop and second. I believe he has more games at short than anywhere else this year
I'm a Dodger fan and it's going to be Acuna. Mookies August was on another planet and he would have needed to do that again in September to win it. He didn't. It's going to be close for sure but Acuna has it by a few votes. Well deserved.
Lets not forget that Mookie is also playing a great 2B.
How the hell are you talking about MVP and not mentioning Corey Seager? The fact that he's top 5 in batting average, slugging, and OPS, as well as he's second in doubles, top 20 in HRs and top 25 in RBIs despite missing more than 40 games is insane. He's number 1 in batting average in the AL.
Because he's talking NL MVP, not AL, which is probably going to Ohtani
@@lukedeakin7124Oooh you're right. I'm so used to the NFL where MVP is one player. I don't think it goes to Ohtani though since the Angels have kind of sucked tbh. Seager has put up insane numbers that have helped his team basically go to the playoffs if things stay as they are when they didn't even break 70 wins last season.
It's Acuna
Mookie can play 2B and SS, and well too. Not saying that should give him MVP but you don’t mention it. It has been used a lot and he has changed positions in game a ton bc it allowed them to put pitch hitters in. His stats right now are about 100 in OF, 55 at 2B, and 15 at SS. That number is well over amount of games played bc they changed him in game over 35 times. Teams normally don’t usually have luxury of putting in pitch hitters like that but Mookie allows them too.
That's the only thing people mention, cause Acuna is better at everything else other than the defense you talk about.
And if you're going to talk about inside things like that, you have to realize that when Acuna gets on 1B, pitchers throw more fastballs to prevent the steal...more fastballs to the best fastball hitting team in MLB. There's a good reason why Ozzie, Olson, and Riley are having career best HR seasons.
@@greencat1849 I totally think Acuña should win it and I think the past week has likely all but sealed it up. the only way i could have realistically seen a strong case for betts is if he kept on the same torrid pace from august. he's hit like .300 with 5hr / 15rbi this month but he would have need more to even remain in the conversation. i hope people don't go crazy in the last meaningless week for braves and dodgers and anomaly of acuña going cold and betts going insane skews the numbers to make them look more even then they actually are.
Acuna... 40-70 club... He has stepped his game up A LOT. Mookie is great but he isn't even playing up to his 2018 MVP. He is close but to that year but not there. Been a great race to watch but Acuna is hands down the best NL player this year
I also want to bring up that mookie plays 2nd base also. He is adding value to the team by moving to wherever they need him. As a dodgers fan I feel like it makes it closer than it is but even then acuna has it no doubt I feel like
Yo when are we getting the vid abt the Phillies gm/coach that you took down last week?
Better never make a dual MVP.
He got the 40-70 yesterday, unbelievable
Acuna is so close to a 40/70 season. Only player in history to do that along with all his other stats. That alone will win him MVP.
One great month < One great year
Acuna he’s making history by far and it’s not like in recent times it’s in all of baseball
Yeah all of baseball history. coincidence that it happens to be the first year with bigger bases and pickoff limits? I understand he made history but he certainly won't be the only one in his club for the next 10 decades. Many players would have done this before if they had the same advantages
As a fan of baseball and a Dodgers fan, Acunas season is something you don’t see every day and it’s rare feat..Mookie is having an amazing season and had he not missed games, even closer but I see what I see..Acuna is the deserving NL MVP
Acunas 30/60 season will literally probably happen next year, Corbin Carroll will probably end with 25/50 this year as a rookie, pretty sure he can make it to 30/60 next year. There's other candidates as well who have the speed to get the extra stolen bases. Not blaming Acuna for taking advantage of the new rules but it's pretty obvious that they helped. I wouldn't be upset if either one won the MVP
@@AG-fv4ybdude he has 37 home runs and 66 stolen bases not 30 and 60… he also still might get to 40. You cant just round his home runs down to get your point across
@@scranemdranem336 i never said he couldn't get 40/70 but didn't he sit out a game or two recently due to calf tightness? 40/70 is much harder to get to and is much more significant. I point out 30/60 because he's the first in history and people are using that as a means to have him as a lock for MVP. My point is 30/60 will be done as early a next year 40/70 will not and it might be awhile before we see that again
@@AG-fv4yb im hoping he gets 40/70 so that can be locked away, I like both Mookie and Acuna but im only cheering for acuna because he hasnt won an mvp yet and it would be an amazing comeback from the acl injury
@@scranemdranem336 I'm a dodgers fan so I would like to see mookie win but I wouldn't be mad if Acuna won. This whole MVP race has brought so much hate on mookie for no reason mostly from braves fans and its just nuts. I can make a case for either guy and I love watching Acuna, I wish enjoying other players and teams wasn't so foreign and people didn't just go straight to hating a player because he has one bad game
Acuna has def won the MVP. Steals, Hr , and bases. He’s insane
nice
Start with Overall Offensive Worth or OOW…take OPS+AVE+BABIP+ISO+BB/K +BB%-SO%=OOW
Then take their Total Offensive Impact Score or TOIS….RBIs+RUNs+BB+HBP+TB+SAC+SACF=TOIS. Who ever has the least amount of plate appearances with the highest OOW and TOIS on the last day of the season should be MVP. Cheers and go Phillies!!!!
Let's go Acuna
Acuna all the way
Matt Olson is the mvp in my heart
Mookie is absolute DOG, but Ronnie was never not winning MVP this season (except for the week before the crazy Dodgers season). Their numbers are almost identical but I’m sorry dodgers fans…. Being the first one in the 40-70 club is a better sorry line than your right fielder being able to play 2B and SS sometimes…
fire
Im a dodgers fan but theres no denying that acuna is making history he deserves it
I'm more impressed that Acuna managed to make it through an entire season without getting hurt.
he’s missed the last 3 games with calf soreness 😢😢
What rock have you been living under? He has had only the one major injury in his career. The guy went 41/37 the year before also.
Yeah but 2 of those were because the coaches didnt want to risk it on the Marlins hard turf so they held him back.@@tombrady-cy5gj
We should not be so quick to give acuna the MVP. he will win it, but we should give the award to the statistically more productive player. Right now, that’s mookie by a narrow margin. His wOBA is better, as well as OPS+ and WRC+ which takes into account stolen bases (which are of course much more common after the rule change). acuna’s xwOBA is better, but all that says is were it not for uncontrollables like fielding and ballpark environment, he WOULD HAVE had the better season. Mookie Betts has had OBJECTIVELY better offensive contributions per plate appearance, not to mention his fielding prowess.
Acunas OPS and wOBA are higher than Betts. He is leading Betts in all advanced metrics, and the only counting stat Betts beats Acuna in is walks (with a worse walk to strikeout ratio) and RBIs by three. Acuna has 35 more hits and 15 more runs scored.
@@whitedeion598 There needs to be a really convincing case to give it to someone with 0.6 lower WAR.
@@gretz5792 true. The convincing case is the 40-70 combination along with extremely rare stats like 145 to 150 runs scored, and 215-220 hits. Then there is also the fact that acuna has had the best hitting season in statcast history, with an xBA of .357 and an xwOBA of .466. And after today I'm pretty sure the bWAR and fWAR difference will drop yet again
Acuna unanimous, cry bout it
@@greencat1849 haha my comment was like a month ago. Of course now I agree😂
I'm a big Dodgers fan and I love Mookie, who deserves the award at least as much as Acuña. But I feel the voters will give it to the Braves phenom. There's really no wrong choice. Let's make a deal Atlanta gets the regular season MVP and Los Angeles gets the World Series MVP. Hahaha
No deal lol 😂 would love Ronny winning mvp, but we all know what’s the bigger goal here 😁
Mookie had a FIRE august.... But Acuna has been fire since April... and still destroying records daily... MVP no competition
Mookie could get a gold glove and either shirt 2nd or right. Versatility is one of the most valuable traits a player can have allowing the coach to play other guys and still keep that bat in the line up
That's why teams super utility players win MVP every year...Oh wait!
Mookie's only supposed claim to the MVP award was OPS and Homeruns... Well what do you know? Acuna has topped him in those also. The MVP race is over (of course that has been the case since showing him and the Dodgers up in that series.)
I have always been a bit unimpressed by the MVP Award. Most of the time, it is the best offensive player that gets this award rather than the actual player that did the most for his team. My guess is that Acuna will win but, IMO, it should be Betts. Betts has played Gold Glove baseball at 3 positions and has carried the Dodgers (along with Freeman) for most of the season whereas the Braves are just stacked. Acuna is a badass but is a badass within a team of badasses. Is he the MVP of baseball and the Braves or is he the Player of the Year? I really wish there was major significance given to both (rather than just the MVP) and that the MVP was the true most valuable player on the team and in baseball... in every facet.☺
Acuna missed three straight games and the braves lost the str8 games he is very valuable to his team
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Ok Stannis
Acuna is obviously having a MVP caliber year and he will probably win it.
Betts's value to dodgers is incalculable imo. Guy can play every position on the field pretty much. Mookie Lynn Betts is the real MVP
I think it should go to Acuña... Dude is going to finish with damn near a 40/70 season
It's not going to be damn near. He is going to do it. He needs one home run an 2 stolen bases
Mookie is not just a right fielder. He plays second too. Valuable is diversity
You know what's REALLY crazy? Matt Kemp had the same numbers in 2011 Acuña has now, but the voters choose PED master Ryan Braun as the NL MVP, just because there is such thing as "East Coast bias". So it doesn't matter Mookie played 2 positions this year, same voters are gonna pick Acuña just because he wears more bling and plays in the east. Sadly these awards are a Popularity Contest not a meritocracy
Acuña 🇻🇪
Oh mookie you lead in 2 categories? Acuna leads in damn near all the rest!. Oh bad news now acunas taken those stats too now. lol. Acuna not being voted MVP would be a travesty.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Believe it or not they have an honor for a player that plays out of their mind for a month. It's called Player of the Month! MVP is the Most Valuable Player of the year. Acuna is clearly that player this year. Even before he went off in September hitting homer after homer to become only baseballs 5th player ever to go 40/40 but now any argument against him is ridiculous. 40/70! That's crazy and used to be thought a 40/50 season was impossible let alone a 40/60 and 40/70 is just ridiculous. Some haters want to talk the rule changes as an excuse for his SB totals but that's stupid. Even if the bigger bags halp a little look back at every Acuna steal and tell me how many were even close enough for that to affect it.
It's not just Acuna either. This Braves team gets talked about a lot for how insanely good it is but even that doesnt do them justice. He is the spark plug for likely the greatest offense ever. Don't take my word check out the stats and you will see how special this line up is. Go ahead and think in your head of which teams you think were the best ever and compare them to this Braves offense. Just last night they moved ahead of the historic 1927 Yankees team in HR differential. Up to +117. They are on pace to become the first team ever to end a season with overall team slugging over .500. They have a record tying 5 players with 30 or more HR's The first team to ever have 3 guys over 35 HR.
We can only imagine what their record would be had they had their Ace and #3 pitcher nearly all year. They had more starting pitchers used this year than anyone yet here they stand.They are 4 Austin Riley RBI's away from having their top 4 in the lineup all over 100 RBIS and the 5th with 90
how historically powerful is this team? only team in top 5 that didnt happen in 2019 when something was up with the balls. It their pitchers can stay healthy and bullpen get back to how good it was I don't think anyone can beat them in the playoffs.
you gotta give the MVP to ronnie once he gets to 40 HR right? if a number based stat in war is supposedly what gives mookie dan iedge in some arguements, i'd say getting the first ever 40/60 season (possibly 40/70 by the end of the year) has gotta cement him as the MVP in my book
Interesting enough, we did have a tie in an MVP race before. Willie Stargell and Keith Hernandez.
If Mookie didnt play in LA, there would be no doubt. Its Acuña. As it should be. Created the 40/70 club this year.
Less content. More quality
Can we all admit it has been a good run, but that it is definitely settled
40/70 that is how you now that acuna is going to win mvp
“Acuña does everything”
Mookie leads in WAR, which encompasses everything
Lol acuna just hit 2HRs today which makes his total 39😂😂 he literally just hawked mookie in HRs.
@@jamirbingham4101 not to mention Acuña Jr. is number 1 in average home run length and exit velocity…. it’s also not a WAR competition, its MVP….. Nraves just got swept by Miami without acuna
Co-MVP's?????