Ah, I never thought of the possibility to add Eurobrace to a tank already running, big thanks! The no. 1 reason to add Eurobrace in my opinion is the safetyfactor👍 I have several tanks, and yes, the ones with Eurobrace can be a real pain to maintain at times. But I'll take that over sleepless nights for sure😁 Greetings from Norway, and keep those videos coming 😊👍
I have a waterbox 6025 peninsula rimless that I am getting going. I have thought about retrofitting eurobracing to it but didn't think it possible. Thanks for doing this vid, I will probably implement the bracing.
Red Sea G2 850 and 1000's have a Eurobrace on the bottom and top, side armor seams. Very good video on the pros and cons, I have experienced them all too.
@@tidalgardenscan you please tell me what is tank armouring...do you mean thoes skinny bits of glass on the silicone so you don't slowly damage the seams causeing leeks or collapse.(aggressive glass cleaners idiot proofing basically)
You can literally built a diy with black netting seamless cover for rimless tanks. I’ve done it, and if you look up reefdudes he did it as well. You can probably build one for less than $30
I've converted several conventional trimmed tanks over to eurobraced. The whole process isn't too bad. Debating on doing it to my current 65g but hesitant as it's an established tank now
When you say, "Conventional Trim," are you talking about your standard Aqueon type tanks? If so, how hard would it be to do a 75 gallon tank, and what thickness glass would you recommend?
1:38 Innovative Marine and Waterbox have eurobracing on their very largest tanks, the ones over 200g in size. My previous tank was rimless. Liked it, got an acrylic lid with a full frame. It was all clear acylic with clear mesh, had minimal to no impact on the aesthetics due to being reasonably thin and blending with the glass. Without the silicone seam to give a boarder that eurobracing does, it's not as visually distracting. Measured properly, there's also very, very little gaps between the lid and the rim for fish to get out. I got eurobracing on my current tank because I wanted it for the splash protection and because it's a 300g custom monster. No way around that that I wanted to risk. Got lids with a skeletonized frame this time and wish I had done that the first time around. A full frame gathers condensation like a eurobrace does, no such issue with a sleketonized one. I also really like the eurobracing because I don't have to worry about splashes from my Tunze magnet scraper going over the side.
Can you please do a video on euro bracing v traditinal cross bracing blades...I'm struggling to decide between the two..becouse I like the idea of haveing several polycarbonate lids so I don't have the whole tank open at one time if I have one big lid...compared to several lids and I need to be able to lock each lid down tight.
All the reasons why I have always kept away from rimless aquariums. Yes, they are very elegant looking. However, they lack integrity. Another bonus to eurobrace is that you do not have those awkward braces in the middle of the aquarium that go across the tank. 👍🏼🙂👍🏼❤️
@@tidalgardensI'm looking at getting 2 custom tanks and can't decide between traditinal bracing or euro...my dear dimensions for the reef tank is 3.5 ft by 3.5 ft by 7ft....and predator tank is 3.5 by 3.5 by 11 ft....do I need ugly traditinal bracing or can i get euro....yes im firm on the tall height...it was going to e 4ft but I've compromised down to 3.5.
I much prefer the clean lines of rimless. Call it a legacy of FW days...but, my reef is built in wall, and the brace is not visible. Having the peace of mind of added strength was a no brainer when the tank was built 👍
are the identicle gallon size rimless tanks the exact same inside dimensions of a rimmed tank of the same gallon size ? are they standard sizes regardless of rimmed and non rimmed.
I see your brace does not run all the way along the back glass, wont that affect its usefulness when it comes to structural purpose? Im thinking about adding a brace to mine mainly because of more safety, but i do not have a sump so i keep my equipment in the tank. The brace all the way around will make it hard to access the equipment.
Still have the plastic on my 150 and think about uro bracing daily. Things stopping me are that if I move the tank I would be much more worried and just the whole process. But maybe someday I’ll get up the nerve to replace the front glass with high clarity and uro brace lol
@@tidalgardens Also would you use condensation glass on the main tank to help reduce evaporation and also a little haet loss in winter or does this impede gas surface exchange?
I wonder if there is any data that shows leaks/failures are more prevalent in the larger rimless tanks, or is it just dumb luck... also, when these do fail, is it usually a total catastrophic failure? or is it just a leak to varying degrees?
In the Philippines, it's the opposite. You can't find a tank here without eurobrace, even the 10gal tanks are braced. Most tanks here are also custom made, you have to give them the dimension you want.
I want to get into reefing, but I have no rome in my living room I have 4 tanks as it is. My 4th tank is going to be a brackish tank. If I am going to get a 5th tank I might get rid of my big tv and cable box and other things and it might be a 40 breeder and start out as a FO tank.
I say forget the brackish tank and go big on the reef tank as your 4th tank. 90+ gallons, maybe 125-150, because from my experience, if you start out with a nano reef tank, you're going to wish you'd gone bigger. 125g+ gives you pretty much the full range of livestock choices for your tank and a bigger buffer for mistakes. I've only ever done small nano tanks because I didn't have much room or money when I started, but I've always wanted to keep fish like tangs, angels, and triggerfish. I'm planning to get a 125 or 150 in the near future, and I'm going all out this time. I'll get all the top of the line equipment and get all the gear I need all at once, so I won't have to keep buying new equipment all the time.
Oh wow that's awesome...I love the idea of that...id still prefer to allso add a thinner top euro for locking poly lids on to as well for safety as well thoe....thank you for the idea.
The water pressure on the walls is actually only dependent on the water height. No matter how wide or long the tank is, even if it's a whole ocean. EDIT (1 month after posting, because I thought I deleted my first explanation wich, after many words, only led to the same conclusion, namely bigger tanks need bigger glass and I didn't want to be an unnecessary smart alec but then it seems that I made a post and only trashed my lenghty edit of it, which makes it wore, because for 1 month there was standing a technically correct sentence here but without any real context. *gasps for air* so now the following): However, the *force* exerted on the glas panes is derived from pressure * area, so this means two things. The glued bonds between the panes need to have more area to be stronger and, because they are further apart, the glass needs to be stronger due to deflection. Sooo, over all it's just like everyone says and I was riding an a syntactic technicality to call it force instead of pressure. Cheers.
I would never buy a tank without a eurobrace. It's just too convenient. Rest containers and things on the brace as well as stopping the splashing when cleaning the tanks.
Rimless is a goofy gimmick...you have to put one of those ugly nets over it to keep fish in, and if it is in your living space, the lights shine in your eyes when you are watching tv...a eurobraced tank with either lights recessed in a floating canopy, or a full canopy are the way to go...The one piece eurobrace if it is floating looks awesome...if people look at your system and are drawn to the equipment and not the livestock, you are doing it wrong...
What type of rim do you have on your tank and more importantly which one do you want on it?
@@mrcovert011 thanks!
Bruuh@@tidalgardens
Ah, I never thought of the possibility to add Eurobrace to a tank already running, big thanks! The no. 1 reason to add Eurobrace in my opinion is the safetyfactor👍 I have several tanks, and yes, the ones with Eurobrace can be a real pain to maintain at times. But I'll take that over sleepless nights for sure😁
Greetings from Norway, and keep those videos coming 😊👍
I have a waterbox 6025 peninsula rimless that I am getting going. I have thought about retrofitting eurobracing to it but didn't think it possible. Thanks for doing this vid, I will probably implement the bracing.
SC Aquariums have eurobraced tanks with starfire low iron glass. I bought my 90 gallon 9 years ago. Still great prices and free delivery.
Thanks for the info
I have a 150gal eurobraced aquarium from SC Aquariums. Love it and will buy any future aquariums from them w/eurobracing.
Red Sea G2 850 and 1000's have a Eurobrace on the bottom and top, side armor seams. Very good video on the pros and cons, I have experienced them all too.
Nice to see more manufacturers offering it. All our custom tanks have bottom, top, and vertical seams armored.
@@tidalgardenscan you please tell me what is tank armouring...do you mean thoes skinny bits of glass on the silicone so you don't slowly damage the seams causeing leeks or collapse.(aggressive glass cleaners idiot proofing basically)
@@Heavens-Humanaterian-Armyeuro brace on top and buttom insanely more stability then old redsea
I have a eurobrace now and I will never go back to a rimless tank.
What size you got?
If you have had traditinal bracing previously can you compare this to euro bracing for me please.
@@Heavens-Humanaterian-Armyeuro brace looks way better
You can literally built a diy with black netting seamless cover for rimless tanks. I’ve done it, and if you look up reefdudes he did it as well. You can probably build one for less than $30
I've converted several conventional trimmed tanks over to eurobraced. The whole process isn't too bad. Debating on doing it to my current 65g but hesitant as it's an established tank now
When you say, "Conventional Trim," are you talking about your standard Aqueon type tanks? If so, how hard would it be to do a 75 gallon tank, and what thickness glass would you recommend?
Great video!
How would you use a hang on back filter on a eurobrace? Is it more obtrusive for heater, powerheads, etc?
Great video. I requested the eurobrace on my 48x48x24 Planet Aquarium.
nice. Becka's tank is a Planet Aquarium that we modified.
I’ve had both eurobrace and rimless. My one piece eurobrace looked amazing but was a pain to clean and access inside the tank not as great as rimless.
Another great video. Love Tidal Gardens. Rimless but 75 g or less.
Euro looks nice, however; difficult to manage compared to using a custom lid, with cheaper cost, unless its recommended for structural purpose.
1:38 Innovative Marine and Waterbox have eurobracing on their very largest tanks, the ones over 200g in size.
My previous tank was rimless. Liked it, got an acrylic lid with a full frame. It was all clear acylic with clear mesh, had minimal to no impact on the aesthetics due to being reasonably thin and blending with the glass. Without the silicone seam to give a boarder that eurobracing does, it's not as visually distracting. Measured properly, there's also very, very little gaps between the lid and the rim for fish to get out.
I got eurobracing on my current tank because I wanted it for the splash protection and because it's a 300g custom monster. No way around that that I wanted to risk. Got lids with a skeletonized frame this time and wish I had done that the first time around. A full frame gathers condensation like a eurobrace does, no such issue with a sleketonized one. I also really like the eurobracing because I don't have to worry about splashes from my Tunze magnet scraper going over the side.
Can you please do a video on euro bracing v traditinal cross bracing blades...I'm struggling to decide between the two..becouse I like the idea of haveing several polycarbonate lids so I don't have the whole tank open at one time if I have one big lid...compared to several lids and I need to be able to lock each lid down tight.
Did you install the euro brace while the tank was running? Or did you have to drain it to do the install?
Tank was running
There are companies that custom make covers for rimless tanks that are seem less and made out of clear plastic or glass and it makes it look fine
All the reasons why I have always kept away from rimless aquariums. Yes, they are very elegant looking. However, they lack integrity.
Another bonus to eurobrace is that you do not have those awkward braces in the middle of the aquarium that go across the tank. 👍🏼🙂👍🏼❤️
On REALLY big tanks you often still have those cross members, but for most tanks 72" and less you can manage without.
@Tidal Gardens That's true.
But the eurobrace I really like is the One you see on Rico's Aquarium and that is a very big Aquarium. 👍🏼🙂👍🏼❤️
@@tidalgardensI'm looking at getting 2 custom tanks and can't decide between traditinal bracing or euro...my dear dimensions for the reef tank is 3.5 ft by 3.5 ft by 7ft....and predator tank is 3.5 by 3.5 by 11 ft....do I need ugly traditinal bracing or can i get euro....yes im firm on the tall height...it was going to e 4ft but I've compromised down to 3.5.
I much prefer the clean lines of rimless. Call it a legacy of FW days...but, my reef is built in wall, and the brace is not visible. Having the peace of mind of added strength was a no brainer when the tank was built 👍
are the identicle gallon size rimless tanks the exact same inside dimensions of a rimmed tank of the same gallon size ? are they standard sizes regardless of rimmed and non rimmed.
I see your brace does not run all the way along the back glass, wont that affect its usefulness when it comes to structural purpose? Im thinking about adding a brace to mine mainly because of more safety, but i do not have a sump so i keep my equipment in the tank. The brace all the way around will make it hard to access the equipment.
My Innovative Marine IM 150 lagoon came with a factory euro brace! I think a couple of their bigger tank models have it as well
I have a rimless Proclear ProStar 60 it’s a 42 gallon display
What do you recommend this thickness of glass for a tank size like lenght 2.5 mtr x width 0.5mtr x height 0.5mtr
The waterbox reef LX 340 has euro bracing. I'm a big fan of it.
It looks good. I like that recessed brace design.
Still have the plastic on my 150 and think about uro bracing daily. Things stopping me are that if I move the tank I would be much more worried and just the whole process. But maybe someday I’ll get up the nerve to replace the front glass with high clarity and uro brace lol
Nice inform video, do you have to empty the tank?
No, the eurobrace was added with the tank running
They used to put the brace about an inch below the top edge. That way it looks better.
I like that style too. It is a little more difficult to clean but nicer if you want to put in a screen later.
@@tidalgardens Also would you use condensation glass on the main tank to help reduce evaporation and also a little haet loss in winter or does this impede gas surface exchange?
What company did you get the glass from?
Glass shop down the street
Love my eurobraced tank, no water over the sides. :)
Yay!!! Missed ya Becka!
I wonder if there is any data that shows leaks/failures are more prevalent in the larger rimless tanks, or is it just dumb luck...
also, when these do fail, is it usually a total catastrophic failure? or is it just a leak to varying degrees?
trust me i wouldnt buy rimless there are so many failures you almost never see eurobraced tanks failing
@@Mrpov_ I have had rimless tanks of all sizes up to 60 gallons for the past 10 years and not had any failures..... yet. knock on wood!
@@Mrpov_ I dont think I could trust one bigger than 100gallons.
In the Philippines, it's the opposite. You can't find a tank here without eurobrace, even the 10gal tanks are braced. Most tanks here are also custom made, you have to give them the dimension you want.
So did you all adhere the eurobrace to the top of the tank or the inside?
Top
I like euro bracing on big tanks for the safety, also if you have inbuilt light on the aquarium you don’t see the rim!
I want to get into reefing, but I have no rome in my living room I have 4 tanks as it is. My 4th tank is going to be a brackish tank. If I am going to get a 5th tank I might get rid of my big tv and cable box and other things and it might be a 40 breeder and start out as a FO tank.
I say forget the brackish tank and go big on the reef tank as your 4th tank. 90+ gallons, maybe 125-150, because from my experience, if you start out with a nano reef tank, you're going to wish you'd gone bigger. 125g+ gives you pretty much the full range of livestock choices for your tank and a bigger buffer for mistakes.
I've only ever done small nano tanks because I didn't have much room or money when I started, but I've always wanted to keep fish like tangs, angels, and triggerfish. I'm planning to get a 125 or 150 in the near future, and I'm going all out this time. I'll get all the top of the line equipment and get all the gear I need all at once, so I won't have to keep buying new equipment all the time.
@1c34rr0wz what can I put in a 27 cube tank?
@@mryes413 Your choices are pretty much limited to clownfish, gobies, blennies, firefish, small wrasses, cardinalfish, damsels, and inverts.
do you guys think a 75 gallon rimless is safe?
Did you know you can get a euro braced tank except the brace is on the bottom of the tank. Best of both worlds.
Yes! All of our custom tanks throughout the farm are bottom Eurobraced as well. The large ones have vertical armored seams too.
Oh wow that's awesome...I love the idea of that...id still prefer to allso add a thinner top euro for locking poly lids on to as well for safety as well thoe....thank you for the idea.
Are the corals in your tank belong to you? Just curious
My redsea 850 came with a eurobrace
Euro brace every time top and bottom hate braceless the front bows out too much for my liking
I love my Red Sea reefer with kraken lid. I’ll never go back 😅
Reefer 900 and 1000 have stock eurobrace. Probably because the tank so is so large.
Starfire glass aquarium
The water pressure on the walls is actually only dependent on the water height. No matter how wide or long the tank is, even if it's a whole ocean.
EDIT (1 month after posting, because I thought I deleted my first explanation wich, after many words, only led to the same conclusion, namely bigger tanks need bigger glass and I didn't want to be an unnecessary smart alec but then it seems that I made a post and only trashed my lenghty edit of it, which makes it wore, because for 1 month there was standing a technically correct sentence here but without any real context. *gasps for air* so now the following):
However, the *force* exerted on the glas panes is derived from pressure * area, so this means two things. The glued bonds between the panes need to have more area to be stronger and, because they are further apart, the glass needs to be stronger due to deflection. Sooo, over all it's just like everyone says and I was riding an a syntactic technicality to call it force instead of pressure.
Cheers.
I would never buy a tank without a eurobrace. It's just too convenient. Rest containers and things on the brace as well as stopping the splashing when cleaning the tanks.
Using the brace as a shelf is a very underrated. Huge quality of life upgrade.
Innovative marine puts eurobrace on all of their tanks over 100g.
Innovative marine have eurobracing
nice. I've only seen the rimless offerings from them. It is good they are offering it.
Rimless is a goofy gimmick...you have to put one of those ugly nets over it to keep fish in, and if it is in your living space, the lights shine in your eyes when you are watching tv...a eurobraced tank with either lights recessed in a floating canopy, or a full canopy are the way to go...The one piece eurobrace if it is floating looks awesome...if people look at your system and are drawn to the equipment and not the livestock, you are doing it wrong...
Sound like kicking in a lot of open doors... 🤷♂
Have a lid or cover..simply because you need one..fish jump out..dust gets in..