Unused Content Found in Fire Emblem Engage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Despite Fire Emblem Engage having been finished for quite a bit of time before release and having many potential unused content actually be removed in the final product. Fire Emblem Engage still has a few things that were left on the cutting room floor, hidden within the game's files that are normal playthrough will never see. Today we briefly go over unused content in Fire Emblem Engage. From character data on Elyos royalty, unused stats and quotes, and a lot of stuff about Ephraim. There are spoilers for the game so you've been warned.
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Engage Datamine:
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Engage Developer Interview:
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Intro 00:00
Unused Character Data Elyos Royalty: 00:28
Unused Ages: 1:51
Unused Growths: 3:07
Unused Victory Quotes: 3:43
Ephraim: 4:58
Standalone Emblem Weapons: 5:59
Unused Alear Shout: 6:21
Scrapped Tiki Outfit: 7:09
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Dang, the devs of Engage hate Ephraim more than Orson does
Oh its u
Hello astronaut
It is funny that he only grunts. But the fact that the cut out actual voice lines is wrong. What did he do to deserve this? They had to pay his voice actor and for those unused lines.
That's fair
The fact that Ephraim has actual in game lines and such yet all of it goes completely unused is confuses me to no end. It not as if the game doesn't have the other characters for LITERALLY every other multi-character Emblem speak and such.
I also wish that the game could detect when you used the canon name for the Avatar character and just has voice lines for every character to refer you by name, especially when the games lack any real customization. Its not of much importance but I generally like to give my Avatar the canon name in games post Fates where customization doesn't exist and having the Avatar's name be spoken both makes it feel like I'm using the actual character and not an Avatar as well as make keeps it from feeling jarring when the text clearly says Alear but no one says the name vocally.
The Morion and Eve lines makes me think they were intended to be green units, mostly because they don't have any lines for engage things related (no character mentions, no battle or post battle voicelines, etc..) but the idea ended scrapped
Eve and Morion's cases remind me of Jeralt and Rhea's cases in Three Houses. With the only difference being that you could actually see Jeralt and Rhea's crit quotes in battle
But you couldn’t see Sothis’s, who also had a full set of quotes. Her crit quotes were even still used in heroes, despite them being unused content.
Kinda wish characters would just say “Alear.” I think naming your character is getting old and detracts from the voice acting.
It’s very annoying to hear “professor” or “divine one” all game long even when using the default name
@@tbahr123yeah, I would be ok if they did Three Hopes and called them “friend” which wouldn’t be so out of place instead of using a title all the time
Going tbh. The character should have a defined name but maybe a "nickname" that is just used for naming save files. First it takes me out there aren't enough characters so I'm limited in who I name my character but also its never voiced. It's pointless and I hate it.
Yeah I definitely appreciated legend of Zelda doing away with the whole player insert name thing and just have everyone refer to you as Link
@@tbahr123for three houses tho professor when used by the students would fit more than the name
They didn't have to cut Ephraim off like that. Why IntSys?
Edit:It seems that I started a war in the comments whether Ephraim is a main lord or not.
I think intelligent systems has basically been trying to say for a while that Erika is the main character of sacred stones and Ephraim while important is more of a secondary character you can make the main character halfway through
His skirt wasn't short enough
Ephraim is definitely treated as a main lord in FE8. I think they just didn’t want to mess up the Male to Female ratio by having one of the female spots be sneaky actually Ephraim.
@@illialidur8244I‘m not completely sure about that, Before the route split, Ephraim is only the lord for one chapter.
@@illialidur8244 by fans but it's clear the game gives far more importance to Erika than Ephraim. You play as Ephraim once in the first twelve chapters before you are given the choice to choose between him and Eirika and the game is expecting you to choose Eirika but it's clear Ephraim is not the main lord
Morion's voice clips are so amazing. I wonder, maybe they could have been used as green units in their respective "Castle Defense" maps but were ultimately scrapped
A note on the growths, you actually used incorrect growth data for Griss and Marni. The growths you used for Griss and Marni’s displays are used for their enemy variants, with higher growths than the normal unit PID. Normal unit PIDs are PID_(Name). Enemy/NPC/chapter-specific unit PIDs have the chapter number, such as PID_M020_(Name) for Griss. All enemies that are recruited later, like Mauvier, Hortensia, Ivy, etc, as well as Zephia have the same thing going on, where their enemy PID has higher growths due to not running on class growths. Griss’s normal unit PID’s growths are the same as Gregory’s, and Marni’s are the same as Madeline’s but with a 10% lower Dex growth, giving her 5%. Past Alear’s growths are used, and Corrupted Lumera’s growths are also used, although they are the same as the Divine Dragon class’s Hard mode growths. NPC stats are never assigned manually, they just use enemy class growths if their personal growths are all 0.
Oops! Thanks for clarifying.
Nice catch. Thanks man!
I am still annoyed that they do not let you wear the character outfits outside of the Somniel. It would have been fun to dress up your army to look like different lords. I really enjoyed that feature in Fates and Three Houses.
The Alear shouts feels like getting gut-punched to me. One thing I wish this game did was have the characters say 'Alear' if you didn't change their name.
Some of the enemy victory quotes are used for Engage Attacks; i.e. Hyacinth can say “For Lord Sombron” in Chapter 10
I'm rather surprised that Evil Veyle has victory lines, makes you wonder what was going to be the plan for her as a result of that.
Timestamps:
Unused Character Data Elyos Royalty: 0:28
Unused Ages: 1:51
Unused Growths: 3:07
Unused Victory Quotes: 3:43
Ephraim: 4:58
Standalone Emblem Weapons: 5:59
Unused Alear Shout: 6:21
Scrapped Tiki Outfit: 7:09
ttally forgot to add timestamps. thanks!
I think the reason why Ephraim's voicelinee were not used because his japanese voice actor was unavailable or quit. Greg Chun already voiced some of the lines but they were left unused because the lack of a JP voice actor.
It depends on when the lines for Summer Ephraim were recorded.
You know with all the extra time that they had, I'm kind of disappointed they didn't fully realize some parts of the game. Like unit outfits or f alear's hair situation. Units like lapis have great custom outfits that get used for one chapter and then get generic outfits for the rest of the game. F alear gets a ponytail in some of the classes but not many of them. You cant even make an argument about clipping because dispite alear having a ponytail as a great knight she not as a cavalier or paladin where her hair clips straight through the horse.
Still sad there's no New Game+.
Man...Ephraim did not have to suffer like this
Past Alear's growths are alarming. We lost 5% Strength growth because we overslept for 1000 years.
Man you truly feel Ephraim-dev wasn't part of Engage's development team. He would've never allowed him to be done so dirty.
From what I've heard on Ephraim, his Japanese VA wasn't able to record his lines, and in Japan, replacing VA's isn't really as common as it is in the west so he ended up getting scrapped.
That is just speculation I've heard so take it with a grain of salt.
I actually had a dream where Alear had a Tiki outfit in a trailer, and was confused on why it wasn’t in the game when I went to the amiibo costumes
Ephraim aside, I miss Alm
alm wasn't the character I looked forward Before playing Echoes, but he became one over the course of the game and even ended up being the main pillar with Celica beside him
so the fact that he didn't even get a DLC spot or small reference in emblem Celica saddens me
I was surprised when they had Celica instead of Alm. I felt like Alm had a much bigger role to play in Echoes than Celica did.
@@KlimOatsthey probably had to use celica because they had too many sword and specifically bow lords, though lucina probably should have used lances. Celica being one of the few mage lords helps differentiates her from the group. It gives a second source for tome proficiency and it also keeps the male to female lord ratio equal.
@gameboyn64 That’s true. Although I think that it probably would've been better if they were made a double emblem like Erika and Ephraim.
@@gameboyn64 they could have gives celica tome/sword to make her more accurate and also match her with Ceiline
celica could have had Ladyblade as lvl 10 or 15 weapon with it being a brave magical sword or maybe straight up “better on female units”
It’s strange that in that age list, it accounts for the fact that Zephia is 2,500 years old, but says Veyle is 16 ?
I do like that they say Alear. I kept him in the default name and there are several scenes that would have been way more powerful if they said his name. I hope that, in the future, they do voice the default name if unchanged.
actualy Evil Veyle can be see when you stay a while in the title screen it show the classes, and if its after chapter 11 and before she get recruited you can see Evil Veyle(in the normal Veyle outfit) showing Fell child class using Evil Veyle quotes
2:00 Vander does not look like 45 and Saphir not like 35. They both look way older than that.
I would place them more like: Lindon 75, Vander 65, Saphir 50 (if she already had naturally white hair, otherwise older aswell).
Sapire definitely looks older than 35 but Vander looks pretty young to me. Their ages should have been reversed.
Framme and Clanne just sucked the youth from Vander and used it to look like they’re 13.
I’d place both Vander and Saphir in their 50’s, with maybe the latter older than the former.
I’m more interested in the fact IS put Alear and veyle’s age as 16 and 17. Even if it’s just for the food mini game, it’s funny that they acknowledge that just because they’re thousands of years old doesn’t mean they’re legal to marry lol.
@@lucg4005before 2022, female alear could have gotten married with parental consent in japan. Before 1947 the age requirement was 17 for men and 15 for women in japan.
could it be that engage had two paths to walk? one good and one evil? would've been interesting to see what story would have been told there
Sounds like Edelgard’s story in Three Houses. One decision, Byleth joins her. The other, they stay with Rhea to fight against her. (Seriously, I started Three Houses playing her route which is why I still despise Rhea, even after playing all the other routes…including the short Ashen Wolves DLC route) Neither Dimitri or Claude had those options. Claude was understandable. But, dear Goddess! Dimitri needed to clocked in the head a few times! Byleth had to be dumb and in love or else, them staying at his side made NO SENSE! At the same time, I can also understand him coming unhinged though considering the circumstances.
@masterduelest13 Byleth staying by Dimitri makes some sense. They are in a war against Edelgard and Dimitri is undoubtedly the strongest fighter they have baring Byleth. Also as the rightful heir for the throne Dimitri is incredibly valuable as a political figure to rally the people behind. In war you don't exactly have the luxury to be picky and selective about the people you put power.
The unused ephraim content makes me think that one of the fe8 twins would have been in the base game and the other as dlc, before ultimately scrapping the idea and making them 1 emblem instead
4:12 I'm pretty sure that E!Veyle's can be heard in the battle scenes that play if you leave the title screen idle for too long.
Isn't that just normal Veyle ?
@@chrislemay3807 I think you get normal Veyle after beating the game at least once. I clearly remember that halfway through may first playthrough, I got E!Veyle in these combat showcases. I also remember her saying the "I did it, father" line.
Yeah the dark version of Veyle is in the title screen showcase. Several enemy units are, including Wyrms and the Hounds.
@@swhawk interesting I didn't know 😅
I'm really curious what was the plan with Evil Veyle or Past Alear's victory voice lines. Was the DLC story originally going to focus on the villains rather than the alternate dimension shenanigans we got in the final wave? Or maybe the DLC would build off of the bad ending? Perhaps the villains were supposed to have scripted cutscene battles (ex. something like Valter and Glen's battle in Sacred Stones). Or, heck, maybe at one point in development there was a way to join the villains and have an evil playthrough.
I like these videos 😁 It's cool to see everything that was left over and these make me happy because with Mods we can still use the unused stuff. Thanks for your amazing research Ghast , Keep being awesome 👍
Always love these kind of videos!
Half of my hatred of this game is hearing "divine one/dragon" so those Alear clips would have actually helped a lot.
It's interesting how much unused English VO there is. Idk, I kinda assumed that stuff woulda been one of the last thing done.
In a lot of cases, the scripts for the VAs are finalized before the cutting process, so just for safety everything is translated and recorded.
There are cases where lip flaps are animated to the dialogue, rather than the dialogue being made to match the lip flaps, so sometimes it has to be done early enough in the process to be worked with.
I am currently replaying Fire Emblem Engage. I do wish we got new game plus, a villainous route and Ephraim. But still fun to play.
6:43 That right here would have made a great intro for this video. Right at 0:00 at the start of the video.
Modders, you know what to do. Recreate the cut content and make them 100% playable (and maybe combine them with a randomizer for even more jank).
Also, 1 HP Hyacinth is based.
My biggest wish pre launch was that Ephraim wouldn’t get totally neglected. I was just happy he made it at all, and the rest of the game I really loved, so I can’t say I’m super upset about his content getting cut. It would have been nice to hear more from him than a grunt during Twin Strike though. If we ever get more patches or more Engage content, I hope they utilize him more, though that is a dream that is probably quite far off.
A little lame you didn't show the Master Bow attacking at one range, since its the only bow in the entire game with the property of 1-2 range. Either way, was easy providing the footage, outside the two re-encodes lol
Considering what they did for the House Leaders' Emblem they should've been able to do that for Ephraim.
Ooh, all of this is very cool to find out about. And makes me excited to play it on an emulator one day. Just to do things on that, that I can' do on my Switch, like using mods/change things up.
they had to nerf Ephriam. if they didn’t we’d be soloing maps like he did castles lol
I can see why Ephriam wasn't as much of a focus due to Engage having 6 male and 6 female Emblem evenly, but they really should've just made him a seperate DLC Emblem. (They should've made Robin a seperate Emblem too)
Also I'm very sad Éve wasn't playable
If theres voicelines for Ephraim recorded why were they left unused? It feels really weird to see him not get to talk ywt for other multi character emblems all the featured characters of it get to speak
Its odd that it feels like an entirely different narrative was brewing at one point and then someone came along and scrapped it but had nothing ready to replace what was thrown out. Its hard not to think that the writers just didn't care.
An evil route where Alear is able to go full felldragon and finally transform would have been sick.wouldnt even be surprised if that was originally the plan seeing as a chunk of Xenolouge feels like an excuse for you to fight your own units.
It'd have been better to leave the avatar as Alear to have those voice clips.
So you’re telling me Sobron’s lore dump at the end didn’t have some cut content explanation? 🥲
The Alear shouts make me think that the story event of turning Alear into an emblem could have legit just turned them into an emblem ring and removed them from your roster and that sounds pretty neat, at least compared to what we got instead.
killing the main character and turning them into an emblem ring would have been metal ngl
Exactly. Metal is the exact word I was thinking, which is weird because I've been rewatching the crud out of Metalpocalypse given the movie and all yet somehow it did-
It would have been really cool to have basically replaced the main character with Veyle as your stand-in for the last couple chapters
When someone says metal, all I can think of is stuff like MetalKingBoo and Jules Conroy. Random, I know.
Funny thing about Leif's Master Bow, it's the only 1-2 range bow in the game (excluding skills)
Sacred Stones was my first FE game so Eirika and Ephraim are my favorite lords. I'm so upset that they cut out so much Ephraim content especially the outfit. 😢 I would have loved to run around in his outfit. If it was already modeled or why would they take it away? It doesn't make sense.
6:44 this absolutely pissed me off, if this decision was made late in development that means Intsys was going to make Alear a main character rather than an Avatar. We haven’t had a new nonavatar main character since fucking Micaiah
I would say that Chrom and Lucina are Awakenings main characters, also... Echoes?
@@waddledottz Lucina doesn’t cause a game over if she dies in awakening (after recruitment) and Chrom piggybacks Robin who is apparently more important. Echoes counts if you factor in remakes then so does Marth.
However the last new main character with no avatar to back them was Micaiah, who had her own agency and storyline just in the same continent as Ike
They definitely did Ephraim dirty. RIP. But thanks for pointing this out and the video. Also, shame that all of this was scrapped.
I really wish modern FE lords had a name and couldn't be changed. It takes so much away from big scenes when characters are crying and they just stop talking briefly because they can't say Alear
1. Glad to know that Ephraim had been given at least A LITTLE more attention pre-release. The Sacred Stones was my introduction to Fire Emblem and I ALWAYS preferred Ephraim’s route to Eirika’s…even if it did make the Eirika/Seth paired ending harder to achieve. So yeah, to see Eirika get SO MUCH MORE attention was majorly depressing.
2. I wish they had left things alone if one used the default Alear name, as well.
3. Any chance you have anything on unused content for Fire Emblem Three Houses?
It's oddly therapeutic to hear them shout alear over and over for some reason😅
Its a real shame Morion was to be killed off in story. When I first saw his character design, prior the game release, I really wanted him in my team. Hopefully he’ll be on Fire Emblem Heroes soon.
Let's be fair, the biggest piece of missing content, is the lack of Alm...
Did they put king morions sword from the video where he fights hyacinth in the game? If they did whats it called?
I'm really surprised Ephraim had voice lines but they randomly cut it. Like why?
Hi!
I had a few questions and thought maybe you'd have the answer to these:
1. Is there any data or mention of Alm? I feel he was robbed for no reason.
2. Is there any data or mention of Azura? Camilla's abilities are nice, but imo Azura was the clear choice, especially considering the title given to the emblem was " emblem of revelations."
Finally, do you know if the genders for the avatar emblems were always meant to be what they are (e.g. byleth male and corrin female)?
3:29 why is Past Alear's growths better then Alear
Because of L O R E
Fell Dragons are just built better
I like to assume alear became weaker after 1000 years of basically doing nothing
You can make the argument that because Alear's transition from fell to devine was never finished, they are incomplete.
I really wish AT THE VERY LEAST is you give the protag the canon name the characters actually call them by that name.
Ideally I'd like it if customizable characters were gone entirely.
Are you ever going to finish the fire emblem three houses Claude documentary?
As a 35 yo I take great offense at being called an old person
One thing that I find very disheartening is the fact that newer games like Engage, Three houses and three hopes have much more unused content than pervious games in the franchise. I feel like that goes to show how many of the games in the fire emblem switch era have been rushed to some extent and often have more flaws than previous titles
Nah Engage's unused content is on par with the series size-wise. Only Three Houses is an outlier in that regard given how much fat had to be trimmed just to avoid a 3rd delay.
@@Dakress23 That is understandable but I believe that Three hopes had much more unused content then either Engage or three houses as whole classes and characters were cut from the game. In my opinion, Three houses had cut content but most of it became dlc later down the line. Meanwhile, Engage's cut content was left to rot
Engage's cut content isn't really telling of it being rushed in any way. It's probably just with stuff that ended up being changed within the story itself.
I mean, having cut content in general means that some ideas had to be removed, repurposed or there was no time to implement them into the game itself. Three houses, Engage and Three Hopes are all victims of this as they have different flaws and positives. While I have my thoughts on Engage as whole, I understand that cut content means some corners of the game were cut
@@Dakress23 Yeah, most of Engage's cut content is pretty much just standard placeholder stuff. 3H on the other hand is absolutely insane in terms of cut content. Remember when the game launched without maddening mode and people had to unlock it via a save editor? Remember when said save editors ALSO allowed you to unlock infernal mode which never ended up being released?
Ghast talking about cool FE stuff
*My head starts to bop to Bright Sandstorm*
I think Saphir might be the clearest example of IntSys and Pikazo not communicating during the design process, since almost nothing about her adds up if she's actually only 35 years old.
No way she's 35 when she says in one of her supports she's been having nightmares for decades.
Her supports definitely pin as an old (or aging) woman and that matches the design. I can't understand why they'd make her so young in the data.
@@Dakress23imean 15 to 35 is 2 decade's
@@RockR277 Well it IS anime. Everyone past 25 is essentially a corpse so her being treated as old is kinda fitting.
@@xacmashe3852Anime stereotypes are not guidelines
One of the (many) underrated aspects of mass effect Andromeda was that if you kept Ryder's name as it's default Scott or Sara the other characters would audibly call you that rather than just by your last name or title. If Engage had been planning to do that, as the "Alear!" cut quotes seem to imply, that would have been magnificent. I'm at the point where naming my characters is nothing but an L, I'd rather the characters just say the MC's freaking name rather than constantly dancing around it the whole game.
That, or, use AI voice acting for the single thing it can do that's a benefit, which is to have the characters say a custom name using that, but otherwise leaving everything to the actual VAs
Damn Lumera’s lines go kinda crazy
I’m flabbergasted you still can’t change your characters outfits for battle so their not stuck in their class look if it’s bad.
Wow that cut Ephraim stuff hurts. I wonder why though? Surely this game wasn’t rushed?
I wish feature Armor Break from Fire Emblem Warriors (2017) return back to Fire Emblem Engage
poor greg
Wow, they found a full competent story in the cut files? How crazy!!!
i can very easily see an ealier version of Morion deathswhere the player is given a dummy goal to save him butits actulally impossible and hes taken away while the objective changes.
i still find the lack of dark tomes and the dark mage class line depressing. :s
Why did i laugh when hearing everyone say alear
Woah, Ephraim, you speak?!
DAMN. Vander is only 45?! You coulda fooled me.
I seen some men that old look very similar to Vander IRL. But there is a phrase often said about the army, fear the old man in the profession where men die young.
@@johnathanedwards9054 And yet my Uncle who retired from the Navy is over a decade older than him, but looks younger.
@Akamegakillfan777 My uncle who retired from the 101st Airborne is in the same boat but he looks haggard. Fighting in Panama against Noriega will do that to you.
What I really want is new game plus lol. Engage I swear has mechanics that would be 100% more understandable if new game plus were programmed into it
wait doesnt Hyacinth say these lines if he kills one of our units?
I guess EphraimDev did not work on Engage 😢
I wish that they had kept characters calling the avatar "Alear" if you gave them the default name.
A lyre?! What’s that?! *leaves*
Ephraim is one of my favorite Sacred Stones characters and one of my favorite FE characters ever. The fact he was done so dirty is depressing.
1:26 Roadhog looks different 🤣
They have all that data on Ephraim but effectively cut him out lol. Despite all the 3H Lords and Chrobin being similar cases. Tf man
You can't even summon him with Veronica. Why do they hate him lol
Poor Ephraim
After beating the game myself, I still find it strange that this "polished" and "finished" game required a THIRTY MINUTE DOWNLOAD to fix an issue people have had from launch.
re: the unused ages and cooking bonus, both Nel and Rafal get the bonus from the "younger" bonus despite not having even an internal age.
@@Iamnobody543 Alear also gets the bonus from "younger" because they're "17".
@@Iamnobody543 "Younger" bonus affects chars up to 19, "older" affects 20+
Justice for my boi Ephraim. They couldn't let him outshine both his sister and Ike. lol
Ephraim :(
I wish they made characters like Eve and Seforia playable in the post game. Just a fun, pointless little reward for playing skirmishes and tempest trials after the main campaign.
Nice
Look how they massacred my boy , Ephraim u_u
Cool
Fun fact you forgot to mentioned that fe echoes genealogy of the holy war was datamine a few days after released its either gonna be out in September to December this year or January to april 2024 release window
The royals should've been playable, especially Lumera
F for Ephraim