I converted my rates this afternoon After watching this and did some tweaking. By the third pack I was flying better than I ever have. Literally the best run I've ever had. Thank you very much Joshua.
I use actual rates and love it. I’ve progressed so much after switching. 10 on center 900 max rate pitch and roll 700 on yaw and .20 on expo just a nice smooth responsive but not twitchy setup I fell in love with actual rates because they just get you where you need to be.
Thanks for this. I’ve been using 4.2 and tried actual rates today when you mentioned it in the last video. Now I feel like I can finally dial in my rates because I couldn’t understand the bf rates for the life of me since I started a year ago. This will be much easier to remember and understand once I find my rate and set it to other quads.
Thanks for explaining this and providing a link to the calculator. When I purchased my DJI FPV Drone I was a bit lost on setting up the rates because they are Actual Rates and I messed with it for quite some time until I figured it out. I do like the fact you can change the overall rate without changing the stick feel 🍍
This makes it clear for me again i just forgot what all the rate settings did i haven't flown in a while because the powersuply for my charger did not work it jumped voltage so this really refreshes my mind againtanks
Finally did the 3.5 to 4.2 update. Damn if I didn't get "qwad flip" first test. Had to remap the motors. Smh. Looking forward to the benefits, after my first test flight today....fingers crossed. Thanks for your BF knowledge!
Thanks for the calculator. I might try the Actual rates myself. I’m wondering when will the official BF 4.2 finally come out because I’m checking configurator like twice a day. Can’t wait...
I think there is a way to set up multiple rate settings on Betaflight that can be changed with a switch but I'm kind of lazy and don't feel like learning how to do it. Instead I set Betaflight actual rates (on cyclic axes) to a linear curve with no expo. I don't change the throttle, I always use a linear curve for throttle. Then I set up two 3 position switches on the transmitter with rates and expo that I set up in the transmitter. One switch I have 3 expo settings, the other 3 position switch I have 3 rate positions (1000 deg/sec, 700 deg/sec and 600 deg/sec). This way if someone who is use to those short throw game controller looking transmitters uses or tries my transmitter in the field they usually can find a setting they are comfortable with. Also if necessary I can always adjust it in the radio so the sticks are more or less aggressive. It's also nice that I can change the settings while the quad is in the air. I also set the transmitter so it plays an auditable track when any switch is moved so I don't have to look at the transmitter when changing settings.
I tried actual rates on my toothpick, I haven't flown it outdoors much but my KISS 5" is down right now. My normal BF/KISS rates are 1.15/.6/0 on all axis resulting in 575°. On Actual I started out with 200/570/0 and noted that Actual only uses steps of 10 for center/max. Like I said I haven't flown this TP much so I couldn't really tell plus I was testing my 4.1 tune on 4.2. Using the Desmos calculator I found that the only way to get the actual curves identical to BF on Actual was to go 230/570/.4. I have 4 rate profiles setup with Actual 200/570/0, Actual 230/570/.4 and KISS/BF 1.115/.6/0 Going to test today to see which I like better or if I can even tell.
I like Betaflight rates because they're intuitive. Its a third order polynomial. You got rate for the first order, expo for the 2nd ("exponential" = x^2), and super is the third order. Thats three regions of the curve.
They should have made actual rates the default Betaflight rates, then rename old ones to legacy betaflight, add an option to convert them in configurator with a single button press and drop whole quick rates thing.
Hi,I never set the rates I used always default.. for 4.2 I wanna set muy owns, but I understand that actual rates could be the best and simple option for that ? Thanks
Hey, I flashed BEtaflight 4.2 because of the rates. But i don't have this selection field to choose actual rates. I just have the betaflight rates like a always had. Is there a special version for this or do i need to activate it somehow?
the actual rates is a good idea, however be honest it looks like to me each tab does exactly the same thing dont matter what you call it. But i do like the centre stick rate rather than a guess.
In the converter, I can't align the dots lines by a half square sometimes ( at the end of the dot lines ) , even if the BF and AR lines are pretty freaking close as Josh said. What is the consequence?
Hei Joshua, I did do something wrong in the UART port in betaflight and now my drone wont connect. It just give me error code fail to open serial port and when I try to flash it just gives me error code "no configuration was received within 10 seconds, communication failed." Do you know whats wrong or anybody else?🤯🤯🤯
It sounds like you need to put the FC in bootloader mode. There should be a button to press or pads to short. Hold the button down as you plug in your USB, and then go to the Flashing tab in Betaflight.
Sounds like you turned off the usb connection. You will need to flash the FC with new firmware to fix this. Make sure you use the correct target for the flash. You will need to enter boatload manual like the firts reply said to do this. And maybe run the impulse driver fix 🤘
Hi Joshua, I have a flight controller with a built-in pdb and a 4-in-1 esc. Where do I connect the battery? I can't find a good answer anywhere. Can you or someone else help me?
If you using a pdb style fc with a 4in1 esc then you will need to supply voltage from the esc to the FC. Usually thru the esc connector plug. The battery would solder to the esc board. And the 2 large pads on the FC would not be used.
When did this term "full stick deflection" start because it makes no sense. Nothing is being deflected. I feel like we should all just say "full stick" to make everyone understand the same thing/terminology.
Ok, but why would we say full stick, that's the most obsurd idea I have ever heard! When we fly, our goal isn't to move the stick, we are trying to move the gimbal. Lol don't take this comment seriously at all
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I converted my rates this afternoon After watching this and did some tweaking. By the third pack I was flying better than I ever have. Literally the best run I've ever had. Thank you very much Joshua.
I’m gonna do this too, makes a lot of sense
I use actual rates and love it. I’ve progressed so much after switching. 10 on center 900 max rate pitch and roll 700 on yaw and .20 on expo just a nice smooth responsive but not twitchy setup I fell in love with actual rates because they just get you where you need to be.
Thanks for this. I’ve been using 4.2 and tried actual rates today when you mentioned it in the last video. Now I feel like I can finally dial in my rates because I couldn’t understand the bf rates for the life of me since I started a year ago. This will be much easier to remember and understand once I find my rate and set it to other quads.
I think actual rates is a great addition to betaflight. Thanks for the calculator Josh!!
Thanks for explaining this and providing a link to the calculator. When I purchased my DJI FPV Drone I was a bit lost on setting up the rates because they are Actual Rates and I messed with it for quite some time until I figured it out. I do like the fact you can change the overall rate without changing the stick feel 🍍
Hi Joshua Adam here from uk 🇬🇧 I just changed my rates to yours and wow just wow love them my quad flys so much better 👍
This makes it clear for me again i just forgot what all the rate settings did i haven't flown in a while because the powersuply for my charger did not work it jumped voltage so this really refreshes my mind againtanks
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That's the best thing to hear when you want to get into fpv☺️ thanks Joshua Bradwell for teach us , just love your videos😍
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Excellent! I think a lot of us has wanted something like this for quite some time.
J Getting more subs than ever. It took forever to get to 100k but it looks like your reaching 200k like its cake. Great job.
Thank you !! converted my Rates :)
Finally did the 3.5 to 4.2 update. Damn if I didn't get "qwad flip" first test. Had to remap the motors. Smh.
Looking forward to the benefits, after my first test flight today....fingers crossed.
Thanks for your BF knowledge!
Great vid. Spectacular new rates system. So intuitive and versatile.
Thanks for the calculator. I might try the Actual rates myself. I’m wondering when will the official BF 4.2 finally come out because I’m checking configurator like twice a day. Can’t wait...
your so the bomb,, thank you for the content,, started to focus on rates,, I know,, about time,, lol
ive always flown actual rates as im fairly new to fpv and beta flight, weirdly take centre senstivty down to 20 and no expo but seems to work,
I think there is a way to set up multiple rate settings on Betaflight that can be changed with a switch but I'm kind of lazy and don't feel like learning how to do it. Instead I set Betaflight actual rates (on cyclic axes) to a linear curve with no expo. I don't change the throttle, I always use a linear curve for throttle. Then I set up two 3 position switches on the transmitter with rates and expo that I set up in the transmitter. One switch I have 3 expo settings, the other 3 position switch I have 3 rate positions (1000 deg/sec, 700 deg/sec and 600 deg/sec). This way if someone who is use to those short throw game controller looking transmitters uses or tries my transmitter in the field they usually can find a setting they are comfortable with. Also if necessary I can always adjust it in the radio so the sticks are more or less aggressive. It's also nice that I can change the settings while the quad is in the air. I also set the transmitter so it plays an auditable track when any switch is moved so I don't have to look at the transmitter when changing settings.
Now I get it, that is awsome and I love it, now when will 4.2 be ACTUAL realesed (see what I did there) Can´t wait to try it
Thank you for this, it helped!
JB thanks, excellent video
Great! Thanks for sharing, I'm just about tweeking my rates so this exactly the thing I need :-)
Thanks! Very helpfull
I tried actual rates on my toothpick, I haven't flown it outdoors much but my KISS 5" is down right now. My normal BF/KISS rates are 1.15/.6/0 on all axis resulting in 575°. On Actual I started out with 200/570/0 and noted that Actual only uses steps of 10 for center/max. Like I said I haven't flown this TP much so I couldn't really tell plus I was testing my 4.1 tune on 4.2. Using the Desmos calculator I found that the only way to get the actual curves identical to BF on Actual was to go 230/570/.4. I have 4 rate profiles setup with Actual 200/570/0, Actual 230/570/.4 and KISS/BF 1.115/.6/0 Going to test today to see which I like better or if I can even tell.
Awesome!
Ty Josh!
ACTUAL rates are really awesome, but please, dont forgot awesome new QuickRates for Freestyle
What do you see as the advantage of quickrates vs. actual rates?
I like Betaflight rates because they're intuitive. Its a third order polynomial. You got rate for the first order, expo for the 2nd ("exponential" = x^2), and super is the third order. Thats three regions of the curve.
Well I have to say you are the only person on earth who finds them intuitive but I do like how you described it.
Great now I'll have go through the most difficult task of returning my quad, but I like the changes. Thanks
They should have made actual rates the default Betaflight rates, then rename old ones to legacy betaflight, add an option to convert them in configurator with a single button press and drop whole quick rates thing.
Switched today and fells so much better on my DC5! Need to work on it but much smoother than BF rates. Weird.
Can you please make a video about 4.2 filters and pid please
Thats perfect. I was just doing my first real tuning on my qwad . I jusmped on here to look up throttle limits and this pops up.ha
Hi nice reveiw. Can we adjust actual rates on OSD?
Hi,I never set the rates I used always default.. for 4.2 I wanna set muy owns, but I understand that actual rates could be the best and simple option for that ? Thanks
Hey,
I flashed BEtaflight 4.2 because of the rates. But i don't have this selection field to choose actual rates. I just have the betaflight rates like a always had. Is there a special version for this or do i need to activate it somehow?
Should be available as a drop down selection under rates tab in 10.7, at least it is on mine
I can't find it either!
@@hi_desert_rat Hey, I also had this issue. Was solved by updating the firmware on the flight controller
0:41 not the actual rates, tough ...
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Keep 'em coming Joshua! I'm going to 4.2 soon on my new jb f4 aio board. Are there any tweaks you'd recommend off the bat for a 4" quad?
i just like spamming 2 and watching him flip that stick.
I lite that you can have a almost linear stick feeling while still beeing sensitive in the center
the actual rates is a good idea, however be honest it looks like to me each tab does exactly the same thing dont matter what you call it. But i do like the centre stick rate rather than a guess.
Look at the calculator and play with it, the curves are different. Actual and Quick Rates are much more subtle in slope up vs. classic BF rates.
In the converter, I can't align the dots lines by a half square sometimes ( at the end of the dot lines ) , even if the BF and AR lines are pretty freaking close as Josh said. What is the consequence?
Hei Joshua, I did do something wrong in the UART port in betaflight and now my drone wont connect. It just give me error code fail to open serial port and when I try to flash it just gives me error code "no configuration was received within 10 seconds, communication failed."
Do you know whats wrong or anybody else?🤯🤯🤯
It sounds like you need to put the FC in bootloader mode. There should be a button to press or pads to short. Hold the button down as you plug in your USB, and then go to the Flashing tab in Betaflight.
yes try to put it in bootloader mode and then give it a try
Sounds like you turned off the usb connection. You will need to flash the FC with new firmware to fix this. Make sure you use the correct target for the flash. You will need to enter boatload manual like the firts reply said to do this. And maybe run the impulse driver fix 🤘
@@SolowFPV have tried that IT doesnt work. It wont flash
What version of betaflight are you using on your pc. And kwad?
Njammie!
Hi Joshua,
I have a flight controller with a built-in pdb and a 4-in-1 esc. Where do I connect the battery? I can't find a good answer anywhere. Can you or someone else help me?
You should have 2 larger pads labeled + and - where the better connector wires will solder.
@@SolowFPV how does the esc get power then? (I'm still learning, just started)
@@gaartkaart6918 The ESC is where you should find the + and - pads. The flight controller gets it's power from the ESC.
@@robertdroner it is also on the fc
If you using a pdb style fc with a 4in1 esc then you will need to supply voltage from the esc to the FC. Usually thru the esc connector plug. The battery would solder to the esc board. And the 2 large pads on the FC would not be used.
they need rates on turle mode or some way to adjust it. or do the F1 thing
You can adjust the turtle mode speed in the CLI config.
Notification maniac!!!
Nice video. Is there any release date?
When the release candidates are out long enough with no bugs, then it'll officially release.
I found that feedforward affects on rates. As soon as I change FF I have to adjust my rates. Is that true or there is another reason?
Higher ff makes the quad accelerate faster to hit the target rate. So higher ff feels like faster rates although it isn't.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thnx! And other observation about CRSFSHot. When I switched to it my rates became crazy until I made FF close to zero.
I use this tool for the opposite. I use actual rates but Liftoff only has Betaflight rates. Takes -expo to reach my curve lol
more rates videos
i thought quick rates were easier to convert to without tools
0.45 rc
360°/sec
default expo
Yes, this is my original idea, then some other come with actual 🤦🏻♂️
Maybe it's just me, but the light reflections in your glasses distract me :).
Hurrah ..
Is it just me that has to watch your adds all the way to the end before your video starts??? I already support you on Patreon. This sucks!!!
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I stole you rates Joshua!!!
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TH-cam!!!
When did this term "full stick deflection" start because it makes no sense. Nothing is being deflected. I feel like we should all just say "full stick" to make everyone understand the same thing/terminology.
I have zero interest in arguing semantics when everybody understands the intended meaning.
Ok, but why would we say full stick, that's the most obsurd idea I have ever heard! When we fly, our goal isn't to move the stick, we are trying to move the gimbal. Lol don't take this comment seriously at all