My church was going to celebrate Halloween in 2023. However, some spoke against it and prayed fervently that it would not be so. The pastor and the board were going to allow it, but the Pathfinder director who was hosting it,cancelled it near the last minute. Praise God. If we love God and those in the church we will labor for church members salvation.
I know our church pride in not taking other religious testimonies our heads are warped to believe only Ellen White testimonies but reading testimony of Felician Mulopwe a former satanist Halloween is one of the ceremonies satanist use for human sacrifice and that Halloween is a demon who is in charge of communication who dwells under ocean everyone gets in touch with this demon when they start by saying hello while answering calls
BUT YOUR NOT STUDYING! Get your bible out! The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ► These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list. There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves . Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
Yes they're definitely is apostasy in our 7th Day Adventist praise God for faithful pastors like Walter Veith as always thank you again brother Lawrence 4 sharing the Lord's blessings
@@Helltown66 For what purpose? "Thje living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing." The only folk I know of that refrer to Bible Christians as doomsday cultists are Rome and her friends who only appreciate about 15% of the written word of God. "Choose ye this day; tell me, Whom will you serve?" As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
This is a sad reality! Apostasy, rebellion, and abomination are increasing inside the SDA Churches! It is shaking time! Let us pray for our Church leaders from the General Conference down to the local Churches. GOD is in control! Let us remain faithful to Him, a crown of eternal life is waiting for us! Beth Ramos
Yes ….pray 🙏 for these men as they are deciding on very important issues… their probation will close 1st - you will be praying for their very souls and the souls they are leading ….❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Yes! There is so much appstasy you cannot count all the winds of doctrine flying through the SDA churches. I grew up in the church and the churches are not recognizable as SDA anymore
God help me. I’m struggling to take care of my children. Both of my sons are special needs and require so much from me. I struggle providing the necessities for them, especially now that school starting up. Lord Jesus I’m overwhelmed as a single mother. Please hear my prayers. I’m constantly struggling Lord give me strength I can’t do it without you.
Our Father in heaven may you forgives us our sins and cleanse .May you be attentive to our prayers and act as I interceed for my sister in Christ,she is carrying heavy burdens.We like to thank you and praise you because burdens are lifted at Calvary.Standing on the promises of your Word :Mathew 11:28 Come unto me,all ye that labour and are heavy laden,and I will give you rest;Palsms 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble:I will deliver thee,and thou shalt glorify me🙏🏽.Have mercy on her as a single mother and her children in Jesus Christ name amen 🙏🏽
It’s sooo bad that ALL of our pastors do not preach like this. To many preach same O, same O that we’ve heard a 1000 times. We NEED this kind of info in every little church in the world. Thankful for our internet preachers.
And you think that is how Jesus talked? How many little children do you think would have been interested in sitting in his lap then? Go lean of HIM " I am meek and lowly in heart" :
The wheat and the tares grow until the harvest, Shaken out of the church or shaken out of the TRUTH, the Church of Jesus Christ is where two or three are gathered together in His Name
Actually that's a miss application of truth. You haven't been studying the correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ► These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list. There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves . Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
I like it when Prof says the in the boat it was stinking but Noah could not come out....Those who av left the SDA church to make other organizations are wrong..shaken out!
agreed and the bible supports your statement. The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ► These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list. There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves . Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
There are Plenty Of Apostasy, Only Jesus Christ Knows And Seeing Everything. Brother Lawrence Yes Some Churches Is Definitely Doing A Fantastic Job For Jesus Christ. God Blessing To You Brother. 🤗🙏🏼
Thank you professor, God has brought me back to the church after wandering around looking for the sinless people to congregate with but God had mercy on me and has revealed the truth before it's too late for me ❤
Not sure if "The SDA organization" you refer to is the millions of baptized members on the church books today--who have yet to be disfellowshipped--, or are you referring to their GROWING REMNANT (the last of the original)? The LORD is interested in preparing 144,000 living saints to follow HIM where He goeth. Until that happens, there will be no second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds with trumpet music to wake the sleeping saints. WHERE STANDEST THOU?
aposthasy prophecised long time ago, we re in it now , so stay strong be faithfull, encourage and pray and tell the truth that s all, it s no excuse to leave and accuse the church, there is bad and good time in the church, focus on the side good one , and specially pray and fast for the mission and the church
God will shake out the compromisers of truth, the perverted, the immoral, the liars, the gossipers, the troublemakers, and all those who make up the tares before He comes to claim his bride! To God be the glory!
Paul was self-supporting in his ministry. He accepted aid but mainly paid his own way. When people gave to the churches individually, those churches themselves decided where to send support. Jesus' disciples had a bag. Jesus told his disciples to go out without a purse. The temple in Jeruselem was destroyed, and so was a central storehouse. I came from independent churches that formed associations based upon the work of the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20 and that makes sense to me still. I am a new Adventist and find this situation very church and state-ish
Bro Lawrence asks us to comment on what is our apostasy. Is not the apostasy the new god that has replaced our original God? We, as a church, used to give our adoration and allegiance to our heavenly Father. But now our new god is the triple triangle god as typified in the emblem of the TriQueTra symbol. This emblem is on our book publications. This emblem is also on the NKJV Bible cover. This emblem is on the PontiFF's headdress. This same emblem is also displayed on witcHcRafFt literature and OcCuLlt printed works. Yes, we are all fully united now. Everybody worships the same trio god. This includes the sorcerers and the Wiccans. It is universal. As it is written, 'And all the world wondered after the beast.' Rev 13:3 God have mercy on us.
Yes ! Thank you! TH-cam is full of the rebellion of offshoots and separation ministries. NOT A ONE OF YOU have not studied the correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ► These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list. There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves . Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
@@Henry04u2 BUT YOUR NOT STUDYING! Get your bible out! The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ► These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list. There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves . Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
After watching this CAREFULLY, and then going back and studying both the Received Text from EZEKIEL, and the quotations in paragraph context (as well as from the works they are extracted from)--Let us pray that the Seventh-day Adventist Church become willing to welcome sabbath-keeping-Christians from both Presents of God Ministries,--AND--Smyrna Chapel back into our fellowship in the (dis-) United States of (un) America.
I think a lot of the corrupt members are staying and a few God seeking, spiritually hungry and not fed are leaving. Its not always the tares that leave please understand that!
There are two main ideas of the trinity. One group thinks there's three Gods (father, son, holy spirit) and that they all have no beginning and that they are one in purpose, character and nature. This is the belief of the SDA Church. Another group believes there is one God playing three roles. I don't believe in either. I'm non-trinitarian and I believe there's just the Father and Son, and the holy spirit is the omnipresence of the Father and Son. How you know when the bible is referring to the Father or Son, depends on context. For example, Acts 20:28 the holy spirit in this context is Jesus. If the word Godhead is another word for trinity, Romans 1:20 says we can understand the Godhead by the visible things God has made. In Genesis 1 God said let us make man in our image...and he created them male and female. He didn't make three people, he made two, and they weren't created at the same time and in the same way. That was intentional. I think the creation of Adam and Eve represents God the Father and the Son of God. I think Adam represents the Father and Eve represents Jesus. Jesus literally came from the Father (begotten). Eve came from Adam. Although Jesus got life from the Father, all things were created through Jesus, and we get eternal life from him. Although Eve came from Adam, ever since, man/human life comes from women. Jesus has two natures: divine (God) and human. Eve (and all women) can be called man and woman. The head of Jesus is God. The head of the woman (wife) is the man (husband). God likes to use symbolism. This great controversy is between Christ and Satan. Why? Because Satan was jealous of Christ's position. He wanted to be like the most high. Only Jesus could be in the position he was in because he is the literal son of God. That's why God the Father said what he said at Jesus' baptism, to encourage him because Satan has been disputing the sonship of Christ. The devil tried to get Jesus to doubt his sonship in the wilderness..."if you're the Son of God...." The first chapter of patriarchs and prophets talks a lot about how there's just the Father and Son. I think the trinity is the Omega of deadly heresies EGW warned would enter the church. The pioneers of the SDA church were non-trinitarian.
Well said in your own words. I do fully agree with. The truth is simple and beautiful. Just as what you shared is candid and easy to read. God bless you Pat. You have unearthed the plain verity. For many and most? it is quite difficult to find, for pride and conceit is their stumbling block.
Yahweh and His Only Begotten son YAHSHUA Bless you 1000 times more wise one You've spoken Bible[John17:3, 1John1:3 etc Trinity is a doctrine of devils. Satan wants to be a 3rd God. But No way Satan we know of Only 2 Rev1:1-3, 5:13 etc
Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? Is He Another Comforter or the same, just in a Different form than Jesus? Is God the Father complete without the Son or the Spirit? Does the Godhead have a Head? Is their levels of Authority in the Godhead?
Good work!!! ❤in this post you are showing you have studied this very important subject - the truths we can know on the personality of God! And who revealed this to you?!!! God himself by his spirit: “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:15-18 KJV Which rock? The rock that Jesus IS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD who came to save us and reveal GOD TO US!!! This IS THE TRUE SAVING GOSPEL !! God bless you ! ❤❤❤❤❤
@@garysouthwell5762 Yes, Jesus is God. He was begotten of the Father, and we know everything after its kind (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 3:16, John 1:18, John 3:18, Acts 13:33, Heb 1:5, Heb 5:5, 1 John 4:9, 1 John 5:1, John 8:58, Gen 1, Phill 2:6). The holy spirit is the spirit of the Father and Son - their omnipresence. (Matt 3:16-17, Gal 4:6-7, Acts 20:28) The comforter is Jesus' spirit. He's the truth and the only mediator between God and man. (John 14:18, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 14:6, John 14:16, Matt 28:20, 1 Tim 2:5) I'm not sure what you meant when you asked "Is God the Father complete without the Son or the Spirit?" 1 Corinthians 11:3 says the head of Christ is God. Jesus said in Matthew 28:18 "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Some people say the word "power" means "authority". We are to honour the Father and Son. John 5:23: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Phillipians 2:5-6: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Rev 5:13: And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Phillipians 2:10-11: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Rev 22:1: And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev 22:3: And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
I think an adventist church is called adventist as long it follows the adventist rules. The first minute they do not follow the rules and the thoughts of the church, it is no more an adventist church. So no apostasy, because it is no more a church
Man you need to Stop talking! The word of God says if thy eye offend thee pluck it out. It is better to enter into the kingdom without a body member than be cast whole into hell.
This has been a move in our churches for a while. However we must continue to pray for each other for change. With music we must be careful. I personally love high praise music instead of hymn. I sing with emotions yes I clap my hands. We have drums base, keyboard however we sing and praise with respect to God. Call me pentecostal yes. At least the praise God. Music is subjective. Speaking in tongue is there but it must be played by God's rule not gibberish
I watch the Sabbath morning service transmissions and I see mainly older brethren gathered in our churches in the US. Where are the youth? Where are they worshipping? At whose feet?
On a Friday night, I look at Church services with SDA Churches in the Philippines, India. Australia, Korea as these countries are ahead of us in North America. It seems as if anything goes in our Western Churches. Thank God for African and Asian SDA churches. That is where Gods true SDA's are. The good SDA's Preacherd in the west, God has already put them to rest. My favorite churches in USA is Sac Central, Doug Bathelor Church, Stateline, Hinsdale SDA, Village SDA. As for Canada, I cannot point out any as yet.
I didn't see any apostasy in the SDA Church; I only see apostasy in some of its members. These are huge differences, and everyone must understand this clearly.
Basically the same thing. What is not happening is a complete apostasy. Remember the church IS THE BODY OF MEMBERS. So, yes there is apostasy in the church but the church as a WHOLE is not. That is the true difference..
Yes…. Those 28 fundamental doctrines… like a creed … (that is very un-adventist like just so you know… we have always said we will not have a creed but that rather the Bible is our creed) …. Stick to the creed … that will keep you safe ….
@@GaryMarquett 3 in one concept god is not in the Bible…. That there is a God the father and his only begotten son is and also that there is a Holy Spirit…. But the 3 in one god concept is not discussed in the Bible … it is a concept you must BRING WITH you to the reading of Gods word …. there just is not a verse that discusses the 3 in 1 concept … this CONCEPT / philosophy is an invention of man…
But whilest it is true that there is apostasy in the church less we forget our own filthy garments. Isaiah 64 vs 6. Jeremiah 17 vs 5-10. Jeremiah 13 vs 23. And let's check ourselves individually if we have died to self. Galatians 2 vs 29. And Galatians 6 vs 7 . Which garden are we sowing the flesh or the Spirit. I thank God for the high privilege of being a seventh day Adventist church member. Love you all . God bless you all.🙏🙏🙏
What about Jesus and God's chosen people the Israelites his church.Did Jesus join them? NO, why? Because of the the apostasy in the church. Did Jesus go against his Father? NO. He still worshiped according to what God set up, but separated himself from the apostasy.He was still worshiping God properly..
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. BCL 81.3 Emph. Written in 1903..
Christians can argue as much as they want to. For me personally, the Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as a "Him" and a "He" and not as an "it". Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot be brushed away as just being a normal spirit of God's mind. Not one of us can clearly define or understand this fully, and this mystery should not be seen as a salvational issue other than knowing that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.
And you know what? Our Father knew this time would come when the trinity would come into question and the fact that blasphemy should result in unforgivable is proof this is main central issue for Christ .. we must recognize all three as one and all three as one duly
This is the same argument that Dr Kellog had, and he embraced the Trinity… and EGW denounced him AFTER he accepted the Trinity doctrine heresy… the original Adventist truth was non-Trinitarian …. Study more into this issue to understand why the pioneers held this as one of the pillars of truths… Godspeed ❤ God bless you as you search earnestly for the truth about WHO God is!❤❤❤❤
@@pacs0508 she IS one of the pioneers, she NEVER openly directly renounced the nontrinitarian beliefs that they considered to be one of the pillars of there faith. If she had changed her position, she surely would have said so.
What about the apostasy regarding the trinity deception. 'When fully emptied of self. When every false god is cast out of the soul, the vacuum is supplied by the inflowing of the Holy Spirit' LHU 142 EGW was an antitrinitarian and here she isn't referring to a god the holy spirit but to the Spirit of Christ. The Holy Father and His Only Begotten Son, equal in divinity but separate in personality, united together in the salvation of all mankind. There is no 3rd god. John 17:3 And this is life eternal that you may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent
@@SevenThunders-si4ci Satan always wanted worship. He's found away of receiving it... the trinity lie...he is the 3rd god. He has found a way of deceiving well meaning, sabbath keeping sdas who reject his mark and his number but have received his name through deception...The trinity Unfortunately most fight tooth and nail to remain under trinity deception
The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it.” Christ has all power in heaven and in earth, and He can strengthen the wavering, and set right the erring. He can inspire with confidence, with hope in God; and confidence in God always results in creating confidence in one another. R&H Aug 26, 1980. Our church has problems because it has turned to a pagan god(s); the trinity..
Agreed, many are unable to take off the Trinity glasses and can only think in their minds with this inaccurate man made concept. When I studied this (for many years) before I fully embraced this truth about Gods personality, I was shocked to learn that this was only voted into our church in 1980😱, and she saw it !!! She predicted it - it is the only thing that fits her quotes and makes sense of the alpha and the omega apostasy 😱😱😱 of which she lists the sanctuary AND the personality of GOD! God bless 🙏our church as we cry and sigh and more people accept the 1st angels message !!! Who God is - matters! It is the 1st commandment: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” Exodus 20:3 KJV That includes philosophical man made 3 in 1 god ideas … made into a god that well resembles BABYLON and is well described as a MYSTERY: “and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:5 KJV As opposed to the God of the 144,000: “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.” Revelation 14:1 KJV God bless each one that studies this deeply with the love for the truth, no matter how unpopular it may be OR the consequences of what may happen to you. “even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the 👉🏻love of the truth👈🏻, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV God bless 🙏 Godspeed!❤
@@pacs0508 have you read the book the story of redemption a compilation of sister White visions and writing about the war in heaven? it explains that the war started over Satan wanting to be like the Most High but because he could not take that position he wanted to take the position of Jesus, the Most Highs Divine Son. as we all know, he got kicked out of heaven, along with those that followed him and his new government his new belief Satan was setting himself up to be a god. He’s been doing it here on this earth and he has set up a trinity, and desires to have worship through it he set up the trinity through the Catholic Church and we have accepted it. The pioneers were not Trinitarians. it only took so many generations after they died for the Trinity to come to our church very slowly and then finally in 1980 became official in our church beliefs. It actually started coming in. Well sister White was still alive through Kellogg and she rebuked him. asitreads.com/trinity-in-adventist-history/
Unfortunately there is apostacy and the shaking is beginning! The time of trouble is beginning and soon it will be in full sway shutting down all of our abilities to work.
He made a statement that made it sound like the general conference can determine whether doctrines are true and should stay or false and be kicked out. I don’t believe that’s what he really meant but that’s what it sounded like. Light never contradicts old light. If The general conference says a point of faith is false that the spirit of prophecy has validated, that cannot be accepted as the voice of God.
A decision was made in 2015? or 17 , changing the wording in regard the Spirit of Prophecy.......I think the words, continual source of truth, were changed......
@@beatricepineda5923 the shaking is a egw theme that she "saw" in the sda church because she wrongly esteemed all other Christian denominations as apostate, have any sda's had liberty of conscience since her day to be a sda member that does not believe she is a prophet?
@@stewiefy No one is forced to believe she is a prophet. Many don’t believe she is a prophet. I believe she met all the Biblical criteria for a prophet. I have known some SDAs who reject her as a prophet which is sad but it is their choice. You are very misinformed. I pray you set aside pride so the Lord can lead you.
Brother Lawrence , kindly talk about the trinity. There is so much confusion in the church about these three persons in one God . What do scriptures say ?
A proper request. Although, is Lawrence capable to speak on this matter? Is he competent to address the subject? Does he even understand the doctrine? Does anyone? We are told that it is a mystery. We are not to even attempt to decipher the enigma... Right? This is what they say... Right? Like in the dark ages the mother church warned... 'Don't read the Bible... or else.' Today... the mother church and even our church warns us... 'Don't try to understand the triad god. And don't speak contrary to it...or else.'
Consider that the pioneers were led to this truth about Gods personality and they received the 1st angels message in real time (!) and held this understanding ‘unanimously’ as described by the pioneers themselves… The Trinity was not voted into the church till 1980 😱 that should shock people into looking very seriously into this matter, if you believe that God provided a last day prophet and a last day movement (she would have very clearly discussed a change - but she did not!) The current day corporate SDA church has apostatized by leaving the precious truth about Gods personality- they left this truth and many of us have rediscovered what the pioneers held as a precious truth and understand as the pioneers did that this is one of the pillars of faith for SDAs that makes us who we are, a peculiar people. Research this with All of your heart ❤because this is important WHO God is, we must know this and not worship another god - a philosophical man made concept god - the 3 in one god - that came into the Catholic Church in the 300’s AD. It destroys The father son relationship and who God is, THIS is blasphemous.😢 and yes it is a MYSTERY: “and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:5 KJV BUT what is on the forehead of the 144,000?: “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.” Revelation 14:1 KJV
Speaking of the world coming into the church, i have witnessed gangstalking in our local churches, even at my first camp meeting, without any correction.
Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church TODAY both an acute hospital for sinners in need of a Saviour,--AND--a convelescent hospital/retirement home for living saints? According to Scripture--it needs be BOTH.
When the Seventh-day Adventist Church shipped their queers off to Quest Learning Center in Reading, Pennsylvania for Colin Cook to pray/prey on his knees with men (who acknowledged his interest in them while neglecing Sharon and his children at home) ... we need to ask the question to ALL SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS what the received text says (I didn't write it) in the following paragraph: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
I am concerned about the suggestions of fiscal irresponsibillity. And the refusal of the General Conference to be OPEN and DISCLOSING the full finances. Also, I am so concerned that there is a full denial of the spiritual usefulmness of praying in tongues. Uts treated as a FULL ASSUALT OF SIN, when the Bible says NO SUCH THING. We are all told to pray constantly, which is physically impossible without using tongues to pray through Holy Spirit to the FAther. And we are told to use tongues to pray when we do not know how to pray. I see NO PLACE in the BIBLE that erases using tongues. And people only tell me the same illogical stuff that other churches use to justify Sunday.
Apostacy, for sure! Whats concerns me in my part of the world includes dress, jewelry, heavy make-up unfaithfulness to their marriage wows, non SDA books being used in Church talks etc. What breaks my heart, is that we are not a PRAYING Church 🙏🙏!
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God TRULY, not metaphorically. The metaphor is the omega of apostasy that denies the Son. …Of a truth thou art the Son of God. Matthew 14:33 …Truly this man was the Son of God. Mark 15:39 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23
Bro Lawrence find your comments at the end of this video interesting, don't most SDA pastors get their doctorate at non Adventist institution? and if so , are these some of the avenues apostasy and heresy are entering the SDA church?. Would love to speak to you in person about DR. Walter Veith sermon in particular.
Question 🙋♀️ what does it mean? We cannot now enter into any new organization? Does that mean the people who are breaking off from the conference, but are still seventh day Adventist Christians, as far as doctrine goes, are a new organization? Or is this talking about people who break off, and don’t call themselves seventh day Adventist? Have you ever had anyone tell you to stop paying your tithing to the conference, because you’re being a part of an abomination? I have! I just keep paying to the conference storehouse, because that’s the storehouse! 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I have a lot of regard for Prof. Veith and know he has done a lot of studies. However, he, too, is human and must pray about his position regarding SDA apostasy and separation. The correct understanding of the Remnant Church is crucial. The Jewish Church also was "stinking ", Jesus reached out to them but like the Book Desire of Ages P.232 says, the religious leaders could not tolerate the truth and so, Jesus left and turned to another class. He did not put new wine in old bottles. Jesus chose His disciplines from another class, a low class and established a separete movement based on true biblical principles and pillars. The true Church of God, is the people who love God and keep His commandments. " Here is the patience of the saints. Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus ". Surely, when a house is on fire, you try your best to quench it but when it gets worse, you have to move out and seek safety, so long as you have your life saved and that of others. What we need to save is the truth, the three angels messages, the fundamental doctrines of the SDA Church must remain protected. John 17: 17 is key......we are sanctified by the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15, the church of God "is the pillar and ground of the truth". We all need to pray about this confusion as Laodicea will not be saved.
THE CHURCH WILL STAND BUT NOT FOR SO LONG BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL GOOD PEOPLE INSIDE THE CHURCH. BUT EGW HAD WRITTEN THAT MANY SDA WILL GO OUT FROM THE CHURCH DURING THE LATTER DAYS BECAUSE OF THEIR APOSTASY. THOSE WHO WILL LIVE IN CONVENIENCE WILL BE BE LOST FOREVER.
Ezekiel chapter 9 will be fulfilled literally. Sister White says so. It involves none other than the 'Image of Jealousy'. Ezekiel 8:5. This modern day Image is the OmEgA hereSy of which again she gave indication of in vision. The OmEgA/ Image is the triad god of which has infiltrated our denomination. Right? This occurred in 1980. It is recorded in our very own altered fundamental beliefs. This is NOT a complicated nor obscure concept. It is a repeat of history. Israel of old, ALSO changed it's God before retribution came upon them. The recurring theme is always... Idolatry. It is no different for our church today. We ALSO now have a triple crown IDOL in our house.
@@justinstrauss5936 Correct. The satanic sophistry did begin to infiltrate around 1930. The triple gods doctrine gained most of it's momentum of subversion under the tutelage and direction of Jesuit Leroy Froom. 1980 was the official documented date. This was the Omega fully ripened. Right?
@@justinstrauss5936. …Are you sure???… so why did it have to be voted into the doctrines in the 1980 world general council meeting in Dallas Tx?…. So long after All the ‘old timers’ had died I suppose… Sounds like the repeating of an inaccurate historical narrative that has been sadly fed to our pastors, (infiltration is not such an impossible likelihood as to how this has happened - who do you think the TARES are?? - hint: they are the Jesuits… ). And as for our pastors now, many of them are too afraid to look into this matter themselves- afraid of what they will find…. And the CONSEQUENCES if this is true…. So they just repeat the narrative that they have been fed … this is a foundation as strong as a house of cards… If EGW changed her position then where is that statement clearly saying so? There is no such thing - this would be a very important thing for her to do if the change happened in her lifetime. Even the incident of Andreason going to her in 1909 say he was ‘amazed’ she would write what she wrote - it says to us he was AMAZED… why would he be amazed?…. Because the non trinitarian belief was still held as a solid pillar in that very day. And again in 1919 we have record of a meeting and it was discussed and was still a full majority that were non trinitarians, and it was not able to be even discussed fully because it was held by the majority of those “old timers” …. The ones that Froom did not like, such as elder Benjamin Wilkinson. Seriously I pray that you will look into all of this yourself (prove this to be wrong) and consider the concept as did king David - he surely did not believe in a separate person spirit being from the living God when he said: “Cast me not away from thy presence; And take not thy holy spirit from me.” Psalm 51:11 KJV Do you really think he thought God would take another god from him ? Or did he fully understand that God HAS a spirit - like no other… Blessings as you look into this matter for yourself … GODSPEED ❤❤❤
@@justinstrauss5936yes the infiltration started in the early 1900’s but was not strong enough to be able to voted in until till 1980! The non trinitarian beginning cannot be denied … and after studying this for a few years now I realize EGW never believed in a Trinity it rather her words are twisted and quotes are taken out of context when trying to prove the 3 in 1 god.
We don't need to invite Sunday keepers to sing ,we have enough singers they shun the doctorine one of the Bible such as Sabbath keeping,state of the dead, eating of unclean food etc.
How are those church health programs going to help those in the big cities when the GC LOSES FEDERAL FUNDING DOLLARS and we can't buy or sell..? The church in apostacy will continue to stay with the government?
Bro Lawrence, whom du you follow? Conrad Vines advice to start parachurches and separate tithe from woke conferences OR Walter Veith who advices super-glue and warns against any form of separation from the body? To me it seems that you are not fully clear in your mind about it. Are you? In this video here, you mention the problems with drums and loud music in our churches, but in another video you show clips from a video with pastor Claudius Morgan where he shouts and dances on the pulpit with drums, singing and poly-rhythms during the sermon in a wild theatrical performance. Is that right? The shaking will shake many conservative out, and they will believe that God is leading them.
At fourteen (14) minutes, and two (2) seconds into this video, the statement is made, "And that's why there's going to be chicken in the Seventh-day Adventist Church." Really? Not last Sabbath here at a VERY SMALL church in Central California. Now the lady who played the piano did make a delicious vegetarian casserole with some 'Medalions' she brought back from Soqel Campmeeting--but I'm certain they weren't chicken. 🐔
As people have already started arguing and name-calling in terms of what is or is not apostacy, can someone tell me what Ellen White meant by "sifted out" in the context she was speaking?
1 CORINTHIANS 8:6; JOHN 17:3; EPHESIANS 4:6; PROVERBS 8. The Church of God is those who keep God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Go back and study what SOP and pioneers believed in the beginning. God does not change.
What apostasy do we see in the SDA church today? Hopefully WE SEE COUNTLESS APOSTASIES IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH TODAY if the wheat and tares are to grow together until the harvest. Take a look at the paragraph which Matthew 13:24 begins from the received text: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked {-one-]; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Source: 1611-1769 Received Text--in paragraph-context from Matthew 13: 24-43 Still enjoying Logos Bible software WITHOUT ISSUE (itallics indicated by brace-hyphen, and hyphen-brace)
Prediction Regarding a Purging of Institutions-The Lord will work to purify His church. I tell you in truth, the Lord is about to turn and overturn in the institutions called by His name. Just how soon this refining process will begin I cannot say, but it will not be long deferred. He whose fan is in His hand will cleanse His temple of its moral defilement. He will thoroughly purge His floor.-Letter 4, 1895. PM 170.2
Seems like it's leaning more towards the political type of leadership then a church. Cesar's way. We all have politicians thats lip serving to their people while still doing only what they will and not God's will. I think we all have had our fill of that. I'm just a bystander but I recently found sda with light more than other doctrines. Now I can't see any difference.
The Seventh day Adventist church can NEVER be united because we are composed of 13 Divisions. Doesnt make sense why we call it "divisions" at all. I propose we call it 13 "Components". That is coherent with "Union" and "Conference". I have written a position letter to the GC on this and nothing happend. If any body out there belives the point pls help me.
There's plenty of evidence not only on the New Testament but also on the so called Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) about this teaching. The SDA might be wrong about a LOT of things but the trinity is not one of them.
My church was going to celebrate Halloween in 2023. However, some spoke against it and prayed fervently that it would not be so. The pastor and the board were going to allow it, but the Pathfinder director who was hosting it,cancelled it near the last minute. Praise God. If we love God and those in the church we will labor for church members salvation.
Our Academy celebrated with a party and a SPOOK HOUSE / MAZE , ghouls, gobblins in 1973..!
@stevehinton5300 I'm so sorry. This sin I hope was repented of by all involved.
I know our church pride in not taking other religious testimonies our heads are warped to believe only Ellen White testimonies but reading testimony of Felician Mulopwe a former satanist Halloween is one of the ceremonies satanist use for human sacrifice and that Halloween is a demon who is in charge of communication who dwells under ocean everyone gets in touch with this demon when they start by saying hello while answering calls
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Thanks bro Lawrence
For the prof's biblical message
Hey Brow, I'm from Amazonas, Brazil, and I appreciated your thoughts at the end of the videos. God may use you always.
Thank you! Yes some are in apostasy or open rebellion about LGBT issues, women’s ordination, and music to name a few
And the trinity, to name one more.
Not to mention women in revealing attire, even on the platform in church.
God bless you br Lawrence our pastor Veith has been courageously preaching the truth and God has been with him.
BUT YOUR NOT STUDYING! Get your bible out! The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ►
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list.
There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves .
Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
He is one of my favorite speakers for listening to. Always sending an important message.
Listen to george carlin instead of this doomsday cultist
Yes they're definitely is apostasy in our 7th Day Adventist praise God for faithful pastors like Walter Veith as always thank you again brother Lawrence 4 sharing the Lord's blessings
U don't know what u r talking about. U r obviously not a Bible scholar. U r doing the work of the enemy. Pray and repent.
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@@Helltown66 For what purpose? "Thje living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing."
The only folk I know of that refrer to
Bible Christians as doomsday cultists are Rome and her friends who only appreciate about 15% of the written word of God.
"Choose ye this day; tell me, Whom will you serve?" As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
@@Helltown66your name says it all....give me a Walter Veith sermon any day.
This is a sad reality! Apostasy, rebellion, and abomination are increasing inside the SDA Churches! It is shaking time! Let us pray for our Church leaders from the General Conference down to the local Churches. GOD is in control! Let us remain faithful to Him, a crown of eternal life is waiting for us! Beth Ramos
Yes ….pray 🙏 for these men as they are deciding on very important issues… their probation will close 1st - you will be praying for their very souls and the souls they are leading ….❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
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Is general conference the voice of God still?
Starting by preaching that the seal of God is a commandment! That's the same as preaching salvation by works! Why don't we see it?
amen
Yes! There is so much appstasy you cannot count all the winds of doctrine flying through the SDA churches. I grew up in the church and the churches are not recognizable as SDA anymore
God help me. I’m struggling to take care of my children. Both of my sons are special needs and require so much from me. I struggle providing the necessities for them, especially now that school starting up. Lord Jesus I’m overwhelmed as a single mother. Please hear my prayers. I’m constantly struggling Lord give me strength I can’t do it without you.
I will pray for you
Our Father in heaven may you forgives us our sins and cleanse .May you be attentive to our prayers and act as I interceed for my sister in Christ,she is carrying heavy burdens.We like to thank you and praise you because burdens are lifted at Calvary.Standing on the promises of your Word :Mathew 11:28 Come unto me,all ye that labour and are heavy laden,and I will give you rest;Palsms 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble:I will deliver thee,and thou shalt glorify me🙏🏽.Have mercy on her as a single mother and her children in Jesus Christ name amen 🙏🏽
I've just prayed for your sister.
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God please help this wonderful person with your mighty power..In Jesus Name Amen..❤
It’s sooo bad that ALL of our pastors do not preach like this. To many preach same O, same O that we’ve heard a 1000 times. We NEED this kind of info in every little church in the world. Thankful for our internet preachers.
People are too sweet and speak too softly.
The power of God is in the Word and we need to shout it out.
And you think that is how Jesus talked? How many little children do you think would have been interested in sitting in his lap then? Go lean of HIM " I am meek and lowly in heart" :
Im looked at with hostililty after warning sda members about apostacy in sda organisation. Theyre really really blind !!
No one is blind. We see what we want to see.
The wheat and the tares grow until the harvest, Shaken out of the church or shaken out of the TRUTH, the Church of Jesus Christ is where two or three are gathered together in His Name
AMENNN AMENNN AMENNN ❤❤❤
Amen! That's using the Word for It's purpose.
Actually that's a miss application of truth. You haven't been studying the correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ►
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list.
There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves .
Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
Amen pastor Veith, Amen, God bless
I like it when Prof says the in the boat it was stinking but Noah could not come out....Those who av left the SDA church to make other organizations are wrong..shaken out!
agreed and the bible supports your statement. The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ►
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list.
There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves .
Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
There are Plenty Of Apostasy, Only Jesus Christ Knows And Seeing Everything. Brother Lawrence Yes Some Churches Is Definitely Doing A Fantastic Job For Jesus Christ. God Blessing To You Brother. 🤗🙏🏼
Why should SDA Adventists worry today? Didn't the DOOR OF MERCY closed 1844 or 1851?
I agree with him, therefore: Be strong in the LORD and return to Him for healing🎉
Thank you professor, God has brought me back to the church after wandering around looking for the sinless people to congregate with but God had mercy on me and has revealed the truth before it's too late for me ❤
I agree lots of Apostasy to the bought the churches so asleep they don’t realized 👍🙏🏼🇨🇦
Nah, nah.... They realize but they are too RELAX and caught up with their own lives they just don't care and don't want to deal with it.
I will continue to pray for the SDA organisation their eyes needed to be open to see the apostasy
Pray for a "Shakening "
Not sure if "The SDA organization" you refer to is the millions of baptized members on the church books today--who have yet to be disfellowshipped--, or are you referring to their GROWING REMNANT (the last of the original)?
The LORD is interested in preparing 144,000 living saints to follow HIM where He goeth. Until that happens, there will be no second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds with trumpet music to wake the sleeping saints.
WHERE STANDEST THOU?
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@@bethanycordero8181 (Jesus Waves) Seventh-day Adventist, still reading and living the Received Text.
Apostasy is in all denominations. Individual people not following the Bible even if they go to church.
aposthasy prophecised long time ago, we re in it now , so stay strong be faithfull, encourage and pray and tell the truth that s all, it s no excuse to leave and accuse the church,
there is bad and good time in the church, focus on the side good one , and specially pray and fast for the mission and the church
God will shake out the compromisers of truth, the perverted, the immoral, the liars, the gossipers, the troublemakers, and all those who make up the tares before He comes to claim his bride! To God be the glory!
Paul was self-supporting in his ministry. He accepted aid but mainly paid his own way.
When people gave to the churches individually, those churches themselves decided where to send support.
Jesus' disciples had a bag.
Jesus told his disciples to go out without a purse.
The temple in Jeruselem was destroyed, and so was a central storehouse.
I came from independent churches that formed associations based upon the work of the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20 and that makes sense to me still.
I am a new Adventist and find this situation very church and state-ish
Every organization needs funds to run properly. Just like your home.
Bro Lawrence asks us to comment on what is our apostasy.
Is not the apostasy the new god that has replaced our original God?
We, as a church, used to give our adoration and allegiance to our heavenly Father. But now our new god is the triple triangle god as typified in the emblem of the TriQueTra symbol.
This emblem is on our book publications. This emblem is also on the NKJV Bible cover. This emblem is on the PontiFF's headdress. This same emblem is also displayed on witcHcRafFt literature and OcCuLlt printed works.
Yes, we are all fully united now.
Everybody worships the same trio god. This includes the sorcerers and the Wiccans. It is universal.
As it is written, 'And all the world wondered after the beast.' Rev 13:3
God have mercy on us.
Amen 🙏 🙏 🙏
God's church will still remain ♥️🙏
Yes ! Thank you! TH-cam is full of the rebellion of offshoots and separation ministries. NOT A ONE OF YOU have not studied the correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ►
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list.
There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves .
Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
I agree with brother Veith.
Typology and Spirit of Prophecy both make it clear to stay in the boat.
Jesus is our captain who are we to fear!?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Amen
@@Henry04u2 BUT YOUR NOT STUDYING! Get your bible out! The correlation between the Exodus and advent movements. ◄ 1 Corinthians 10:11 ►
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings forr us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. AND YET MOST SIT BLIND AS IF NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN! Korah , Dathan and Abiram and 250 co-conspirators are just a few of the names of offshoots and separation ministries. We can now add Conrad's name to the list.
There is so little faith! At the end just before crossing the Jordan river there is another group that leaves .
Is the church perfect? No but it is under the guidance of a higher power , most of you think because there is sin then God is not here but what a deadly error.
After watching this CAREFULLY, and then going back and studying both the Received Text from EZEKIEL, and the quotations in paragraph context (as well as from the works they are extracted from)--Let us pray that the Seventh-day Adventist Church become willing to welcome sabbath-keeping-Christians from both Presents of God Ministries,--AND--Smyrna Chapel back into our fellowship in the (dis-) United States of (un) America.
I feel you have so much more to say...
I think a lot of the corrupt members are staying and a few God seeking, spiritually hungry and not fed are leaving. Its not always the tares that leave please understand that!
There's a lot of apostasy in the SDA
Please make it a habit, bro Lawrence, to always put links to the videos you are showing clips from so we can find them and see the full context 😊😊👍
There are two main ideas of the trinity. One group thinks there's three Gods (father, son, holy spirit) and that they all have no beginning and that they are one in purpose, character and nature. This is the belief of the SDA Church. Another group believes there is one God playing three roles. I don't believe in either. I'm non-trinitarian and I believe there's just the Father and Son, and the holy spirit is the omnipresence of the Father and Son. How you know when the bible is referring to the Father or Son, depends on context. For example, Acts 20:28 the holy spirit in this context is Jesus.
If the word Godhead is another word for trinity, Romans 1:20 says we can understand the Godhead by the visible things God has made. In Genesis 1 God said let us make man in our image...and he created them male and female. He didn't make three people, he made two, and they weren't created at the same time and in the same way. That was intentional. I think the creation of Adam and Eve represents God the Father and the Son of God. I think Adam represents the Father and Eve represents Jesus. Jesus literally came from the Father (begotten). Eve came from Adam. Although Jesus got life from the Father, all things were created through Jesus, and we get eternal life from him. Although Eve came from Adam, ever since, man/human life comes from women. Jesus has two natures: divine (God) and human. Eve (and all women) can be called man and woman. The head of Jesus is God. The head of the woman (wife) is the man (husband). God likes to use symbolism.
This great controversy is between Christ and Satan. Why? Because Satan was jealous of Christ's position. He wanted to be like the most high. Only Jesus could be in the position he was in because he is the literal son of God. That's why God the Father said what he said at Jesus' baptism, to encourage him because Satan has been disputing the sonship of Christ. The devil tried to get Jesus to doubt his sonship in the wilderness..."if you're the Son of God...." The first chapter of patriarchs and prophets talks a lot about how there's just the Father and Son.
I think the trinity is the Omega of deadly heresies EGW warned would enter the church.
The pioneers of the SDA church were non-trinitarian.
Well said in your own words. I do fully agree with. The truth is simple and beautiful. Just as what you shared is candid and easy to read.
God bless you Pat. You have unearthed the plain verity.
For many and most? it is quite difficult to find, for pride and conceit is their stumbling block.
Yahweh and His Only Begotten son YAHSHUA Bless you 1000 times more wise one You've spoken Bible[John17:3, 1John1:3 etc
Trinity is a doctrine of devils. Satan wants to be a 3rd God. But No way Satan we know of Only 2 Rev1:1-3, 5:13 etc
Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? Is He Another Comforter or the same, just in a Different form than Jesus? Is God the Father complete without the Son or the Spirit? Does the Godhead have a Head? Is their levels of Authority in the Godhead?
Good work!!! ❤in this post you are showing you have studied this very important subject - the truths we can know on the personality of God!
And who revealed this to you?!!! God himself by his spirit:
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
Matthew 16:15-18 KJV
Which rock? The rock that Jesus IS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD who came to save us and reveal GOD TO US!!! This IS THE TRUE SAVING GOSPEL !!
God bless you !
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@@garysouthwell5762 Yes, Jesus is God. He was begotten of the Father, and we know everything after its kind (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 3:16, John 1:18, John 3:18, Acts 13:33, Heb 1:5, Heb 5:5, 1 John 4:9, 1 John 5:1, John 8:58, Gen 1, Phill 2:6). The holy spirit is the spirit of the Father and Son - their omnipresence. (Matt 3:16-17, Gal 4:6-7, Acts 20:28) The comforter is Jesus' spirit. He's the truth and the only mediator between God and man. (John 14:18, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 14:6, John 14:16, Matt 28:20, 1 Tim 2:5) I'm not sure what you meant when you asked "Is God the Father complete without the Son or the Spirit?" 1 Corinthians 11:3 says the head of Christ is God. Jesus said in Matthew 28:18 "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Some people say the word "power" means "authority".
We are to honour the Father and Son.
John 5:23: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Phillipians 2:5-6: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Rev 5:13: And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Phillipians 2:10-11: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rev 22:1: And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:3: And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
I think an adventist church is called adventist as long it follows the adventist rules.
The first minute they do not follow the rules and the thoughts of the church, it is no more an adventist church. So no apostasy, because it is no more a church
Spot on Elder Veith. Anyone who willingly not willing to be apart of the body is not Adventist.
Man you need to Stop talking! The word of God says if thy eye offend thee pluck it out. It is better to enter into the kingdom without a body member than be cast whole into hell.
Jesus separated himself from the apostasy so should we. If we remain in the apostasy we will never perfect our characters for eternity.
Amen❤
The sinners in Zion will be shaken out. Stay on the Ark.
This has been a move in our churches for a while. However we must continue to pray for each other for change. With music we must be careful. I personally love high praise music instead of hymn. I sing with emotions yes I clap my hands. We have drums base, keyboard however we sing and praise with respect to God. Call me pentecostal yes. At least the praise God. Music is subjective. Speaking in tongue is there but it must be played by God's rule not gibberish
I watch the Sabbath morning service transmissions and I see mainly older brethren gathered in our churches in the US. Where are the youth? Where are they worshipping? At whose feet?
Brother, we also have abortion, adultery, and much more.but may God help us 🙏 to be faithful until the end
Every denomination.
On a Friday night, I look at Church services with SDA Churches in the Philippines, India. Australia, Korea as these countries are ahead of us in North America. It seems as if anything goes in our Western Churches. Thank God for African and Asian SDA churches. That is where Gods true SDA's are. The good SDA's Preacherd in the west, God has already put them to rest. My favorite churches in USA is Sac Central, Doug Bathelor Church, Stateline, Hinsdale SDA, Village SDA. As for Canada, I cannot point out any as yet.
I didn't see any apostasy in the SDA Church; I only see apostasy in some of its members. These are huge differences, and everyone must understand this clearly.
Basically the same thing. What is not happening is a complete apostasy. Remember the church IS THE BODY OF MEMBERS.
So, yes there is apostasy in the church but the church as a WHOLE is not. That is the true difference..
As long as the church upholds the fundamental 28 doctrines the church has not apostasized. Individuals yes but as an organized church no.
GC are not keeping the 28 fundamentals or 10 Commandments
Yes…. Those 28 fundamental doctrines… like a creed … (that is very un-adventist like just so you know… we have always said we will not have a creed but that rather the Bible is our creed) …. Stick to the creed … that will keep you safe ….
@@beaelleess3892 28 fundamentals is from the Bible
@@GaryMarquett 3 in one concept god is not in the Bible…. That there is a God the father and his only begotten son is and also that there is a Holy Spirit…. But the 3 in one god concept is not discussed in the Bible … it is a concept you must BRING WITH you to the reading of Gods word …. there just is not a verse that discusses the 3 in 1 concept … this CONCEPT / philosophy is an invention of man…
@@beaelleess3892Exactly! When did it change that your Bible wasn't good enough?
But whilest it is true that there is apostasy in the church less we forget our own filthy garments. Isaiah 64 vs 6. Jeremiah 17 vs 5-10. Jeremiah 13 vs 23. And let's check ourselves individually if we have died to self. Galatians 2 vs 29. And Galatians 6 vs 7 . Which garden are we sowing the flesh or the Spirit. I thank God for the high privilege of being a seventh day Adventist church member. Love you all . God bless you all.🙏🙏🙏
Yes because the wheat and tares will grow together until the shaking
What about Jesus and God's chosen people the Israelites his church.Did Jesus join them? NO, why? Because of the the apostasy in the church. Did Jesus go against his Father? NO. He still worshiped according to what God set up, but separated himself from the apostasy.He was still worshiping God properly..
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. BCL 81.3
Emph. Written in 1903..
This is the counterfeit message against apostasy!God's message does not need this kind of help. This is a message to hold men IN apostasy.
Christians can argue as much as they want to. For me personally, the Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as a "Him" and a "He" and not as an "it". Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot be brushed away as just being a normal spirit of God's mind.
Not one of us can clearly define or understand this fully, and this mystery should not be seen as a salvational issue other than knowing that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only sin that cannot be forgiven.
And you know what? Our Father knew this time would come when the trinity would come into question and the fact that blasphemy should result in unforgivable is proof this is main central issue for Christ .. we must recognize all three as one and all three as one duly
This is the same argument that Dr Kellog had, and he embraced the Trinity… and EGW denounced him AFTER he accepted the Trinity doctrine heresy… the original Adventist truth was non-Trinitarian …. Study more into this issue to understand why the pioneers held this as one of the pillars of truths…
Godspeed ❤
God bless you as you search earnestly for the truth about WHO God is!❤❤❤❤
@@beaelleess3892I will adhere with what the Prophet said. She was given the prophetic utterance, the pioneers were not.
@@pacs0508 she IS one of the pioneers, she NEVER openly directly renounced the nontrinitarian beliefs that they considered to be one of the pillars of there faith. If she had changed her position, she surely would have said so.
@@beaelleess3892She says they are three individual beings. That settled it for me.
What about the apostasy regarding the trinity deception.
'When fully emptied of self. When every false god is cast out of the soul, the vacuum is supplied by the inflowing of the Holy Spirit' LHU 142
EGW was an antitrinitarian and here she isn't referring to a god the holy spirit but to the Spirit of Christ. The Holy Father and His Only Begotten Son, equal in divinity but separate in personality, united together in the salvation of all mankind. There is no 3rd god.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal that you may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent
Amen.
@@SevenThunders-si4ci
Satan always wanted worship. He's found away of receiving it... the trinity lie...he is the 3rd god. He has found a way of deceiving well meaning, sabbath keeping sdas who reject his mark and his number but have received his name through deception...The trinity
Unfortunately most fight tooth and nail to remain under trinity deception
The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it.” Christ has all power in heaven and in earth, and He can strengthen the wavering, and set right the erring. He can inspire with confidence, with hope in God; and confidence in God always results in creating confidence in one another. R&H Aug 26, 1980. Our church has problems because it has turned to a pagan god(s); the trinity..
Agreed, many are unable to take off the Trinity glasses and can only think in their minds with this inaccurate man made concept. When I studied this (for many years) before I fully embraced this truth about Gods personality, I was shocked to learn that this was only voted into our church in 1980😱, and she saw it !!! She predicted it - it is the only thing that fits her quotes and makes sense of the alpha and the omega apostasy 😱😱😱 of which she lists the sanctuary AND the personality of GOD!
God bless 🙏our church as we cry and sigh and more people accept the 1st angels message !!! Who God is - matters! It is the 1st commandment:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
Exodus 20:3 KJV
That includes philosophical man made 3 in 1 god ideas … made into a god that well resembles BABYLON and is well described as a MYSTERY:
“and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”
Revelation 17:5 KJV
As opposed to the God of the 144,000:
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”
Revelation 14:1 KJV
God bless each one that studies this deeply with the love for the truth, no matter how unpopular it may be OR the consequences of what may happen to you.
“even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the 👉🏻love of the truth👈🏻, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
God bless 🙏
Godspeed!❤
What does that mean about the trinity?
@@pacs0508 have you read the book the story of redemption a compilation of sister White visions and writing about the war in heaven? it explains that the war started over Satan wanting to be like the Most High but because he could not take that position he wanted to take the position of Jesus, the Most Highs Divine Son. as we all know, he got kicked out of heaven, along with those that followed him and his new government his new belief Satan was setting himself up to be a god. He’s been doing it here on this earth and he has set up a trinity, and desires to have worship through it he set up the trinity through the Catholic Church and we have accepted it. The pioneers were not Trinitarians. it only took so many generations after they died for the Trinity to come to our church very slowly and then finally in 1980 became official in our church beliefs. It actually started coming in. Well sister White was still alive through Kellogg and she rebuked him.
asitreads.com/trinity-in-adventist-history/
Unfortunately there is apostacy and the shaking is beginning! The time of trouble is beginning and soon it will be in full sway shutting down all of our abilities to work.
He made a statement that made it sound like the general conference can determine whether doctrines are true and should stay or false and be kicked out. I don’t believe that’s what he really meant but that’s what it sounded like. Light never contradicts old light. If The general conference says a point of faith is false that the spirit of prophecy has validated, that cannot be accepted as the voice of God.
Agreed.
A decision was made in 2015? or 17 , changing the wording in regard the Spirit of Prophecy.......I think the words, continual source of truth, were changed......
@@gabriellebrowne1388 Not sure.
Bro Lawrence
Sure there are LGBT issues. How about our LOGO? Am sure there is some concern with the Logo as well.
the shaking is in every denomination unlike what egw prophesied, but sda's have denied liberty of conscience regarding her since the mid 1800's
You make no sense. Express yourself more clearly.
@@beatricepineda5923 the shaking is a egw theme that she "saw" in the sda church because she wrongly esteemed all other Christian denominations as apostate, have any sda's had liberty of conscience since her day to be a sda member that does not believe she is a prophet?
@@stewiefy No one is forced to believe she is a prophet. Many don’t believe she is a prophet. I believe she met all the Biblical criteria for a prophet. I have known some SDAs who reject her as a prophet which is sad but it is their choice.
You are very misinformed. I pray you set aside pride so the Lord can lead you.
@@beatricepineda5923 are the non believers in egw still allowed to be in your church? pray for your own pride first
The've welcomed me back. THEY'LL WELCOME ANYONE.
😮
I kinda liked your comments. Oh no did you get banned for telling the truth?
Brother Lawrence , kindly talk about the trinity. There is so much confusion in the church about these three persons in one God . What do scriptures say ?
A proper request.
Although, is Lawrence capable to speak on this matter? Is he competent to address the subject?
Does he even understand the doctrine? Does anyone? We are told that it is a mystery.
We are not to even attempt to decipher the enigma...
Right?
This is what they say...
Right?
Like in the dark ages the mother church warned...
'Don't read the Bible... or else.'
Today... the mother church and even our church warns us...
'Don't try to understand the triad god. And don't speak contrary to it...or else.'
Don’t go to man for answers! Go straight to the Lord! The Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth
Consider that the pioneers were led to this truth about Gods personality and they received the 1st angels message in real time (!) and held this understanding ‘unanimously’ as described by the pioneers themselves… The Trinity was not voted into the church till 1980 😱 that should shock people into looking very seriously into this matter, if you believe that God provided a last day prophet and a last day movement (she would have very clearly discussed a change - but she did not!)
The current day corporate SDA church has apostatized by leaving the precious truth about Gods personality- they left this truth and many of us have rediscovered what the pioneers held as a precious truth and understand as the pioneers did that this is one of the pillars of faith for SDAs that makes us who we are, a peculiar people.
Research this with All of your heart ❤because this is important WHO God is, we must know this and not worship another god - a philosophical man made concept god - the 3 in one god - that came into the Catholic Church in the 300’s AD. It destroys The father son relationship and who God is, THIS is blasphemous.😢 and yes it is a MYSTERY:
“and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”
Revelation 17:5 KJV
BUT what is on the forehead of the 144,000?:
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”
Revelation 14:1 KJV
@@beaelleess3892 Amen.
Well said.
@@canadiancontrarian3668That is what Ellen White counseled us not to do. It is a mystery unless you are God. God cannot be explained by mortal man.
Speaking of the world coming into the church, i have witnessed gangstalking in our local churches, even at my first camp meeting, without any correction.
Thanks
I do believe we have aposticy in our church but it’s not everyone.
Those I've listened to who don't quote Ellen G. White or use commentary is by choice because they've been educated in SDA universities
Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church TODAY both an acute hospital for sinners in need of a Saviour,--AND--a convelescent hospital/retirement home for living saints? According to Scripture--it needs be BOTH.
When the Seventh-day Adventist Church shipped their queers off to Quest Learning Center in Reading, Pennsylvania for Colin Cook to pray/prey on his knees with men (who acknowledged his interest in them while neglecing Sharon and his children at home) ... we need to ask the question to ALL SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS what the received text says (I didn't write it) in the following paragraph:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Mercy 😮Lord help the victims and those that are still secretly in sin disguised as counselors 🙏🏾
This is horrifying and probably happens more often than this reference you cited.
I am concerned about the suggestions of fiscal irresponsibillity. And the refusal of the General Conference to be OPEN and DISCLOSING the full finances. Also, I am so concerned that there is a full denial of the spiritual usefulmness of praying in tongues. Uts treated as a FULL ASSUALT OF SIN, when the Bible says NO SUCH THING. We are all told to pray constantly, which is physically impossible without using tongues to pray through Holy Spirit to the FAther. And we are told to use tongues to pray when we do not know how to pray. I see NO PLACE in the BIBLE that erases using tongues. And people only tell me the same illogical stuff that other churches use to justify Sunday.
Brother Lawrence can you provide the link where we can watch the full sermon of Walter Veith? Please and thank you.😊
Apostacy, for sure! Whats concerns me in my part of the world includes dress, jewelry, heavy make-up unfaithfulness to their marriage wows, non SDA books being used in Church talks etc. What breaks my heart, is that we are not a PRAYING Church 🙏🙏!
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God TRULY, not metaphorically.
The metaphor is the omega of apostasy that denies the Son.
…Of a truth thou art the Son of God. Matthew 14:33
…Truly this man was the Son of God. Mark 15:39
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23
He was not created or generated by God The Father. She says that Jesus existed from eternity and has always been one with The Father.
@@pacs0508 Yes, Christ was begotten in the days of eternity. Micah 5:2
And ever since this occasion, Christ has always been one with the Father.
Amen.
@@SevenThunders-si4ci He has always existed.
@@pacs0508 So he was not begotten then?
So can he even be a Son then?
Sister White is in error then?
Bro Lawrence find your comments at the end of this video interesting, don't most SDA pastors get their doctorate at non Adventist institution? and if so , are these some of the avenues apostasy and heresy are entering the SDA church?. Would love to speak to you in person about DR. Walter Veith sermon in particular.
Bro Lawrence you are now doing the right thing
I would like the full video to watch.
I agree with u 100%
where can I listen to the entire preaching?
... "chickened out" --or-- "shaken out" ??? My cat and I rest corrected.
Question 🙋♀️ what does it mean? We cannot now enter into any new organization? Does that mean the people who are breaking off from the conference, but are still seventh day Adventist Christians, as far as doctrine goes, are a new organization? Or is this talking about people who break off, and don’t call themselves seventh day Adventist? Have you ever had anyone tell you to stop paying your tithing to the conference, because you’re being a part of an abomination? I have! I just keep paying to the conference storehouse, because that’s the storehouse! 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Yes there is apostasy in the church but I will not let it make me leave the SDA church!
I have a lot of regard for Prof. Veith and know he has done a lot of studies. However, he, too, is human and must pray about his position regarding SDA apostasy and separation. The correct understanding of the Remnant Church is crucial. The Jewish Church also was "stinking ", Jesus reached out to them but like the Book Desire of Ages P.232 says, the religious leaders could not tolerate the truth and so, Jesus left and turned to another class. He did not put new wine in old bottles. Jesus chose His disciplines from another class, a low class and established a separete movement based on true biblical principles and pillars. The true Church of God, is the people who love God and keep His commandments. " Here is the patience of the saints. Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus ". Surely, when a house is on fire, you try your best to quench it but when it gets worse, you have to move out and seek safety, so long as you have your life saved and that of others. What we need to save is the truth, the three angels messages, the fundamental doctrines of the SDA Church must remain protected. John 17: 17 is key......we are sanctified by the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15, the church of God "is the pillar and ground of the truth". We all need to pray about this confusion as Laodicea will not be saved.
He needs to go back and consider what is that ship… the shaking is about truth… not an organization made by man…
Bro. Lawrence could you send a link of the whole sermon?
THE CHURCH WILL STAND BUT NOT FOR SO LONG BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL GOOD PEOPLE INSIDE THE CHURCH. BUT EGW HAD WRITTEN THAT MANY SDA WILL GO OUT FROM THE CHURCH DURING THE LATTER DAYS BECAUSE OF THEIR APOSTASY. THOSE WHO WILL LIVE IN CONVENIENCE WILL BE BE LOST FOREVER.
Ezekiel chapter 9 will be fulfilled literally.
Sister White says so.
It involves none other than the 'Image of Jealousy'. Ezekiel 8:5.
This modern day Image is the OmEgA hereSy of which again she gave indication of in vision.
The OmEgA/ Image is the triad god of which has infiltrated our denomination.
Right?
This occurred in 1980. It is recorded in our very own altered fundamental beliefs.
This is NOT a complicated nor obscure concept.
It is a repeat of history.
Israel of old, ALSO changed it's God before retribution came upon them.
The recurring theme is always... Idolatry. It is no different for our church today.
We ALSO now have a triple crown IDOL in our house.
The church adopted the doctrine of the Godhead from the early 1900’s and not just in 1980
@@justinstrauss5936 Correct. The satanic sophistry did begin to infiltrate around 1930. The triple gods doctrine gained most of it's momentum of subversion under the tutelage and direction of Jesuit Leroy Froom. 1980 was the official documented date. This was the Omega fully ripened.
Right?
@@justinstrauss5936. …Are you sure???… so why did it have to be voted into the doctrines in the 1980 world general council meeting in Dallas Tx?…. So long after All the ‘old timers’ had died I suppose…
Sounds like the repeating of an inaccurate historical narrative that has been sadly fed to our pastors, (infiltration is not such an impossible likelihood as to how this has happened - who do you think the TARES are?? - hint: they are the Jesuits… ). And as for our pastors now, many of them are too afraid to look into this matter themselves- afraid of what they will find…. And the CONSEQUENCES if this is true…. So they just repeat the narrative that they have been fed … this is a foundation as strong as a house of cards…
If EGW changed her position then where is that statement clearly saying so? There is no such thing - this would be a very important thing for her to do if the change happened in her lifetime. Even the incident of Andreason going to her in 1909 say he was ‘amazed’ she would write what she wrote - it says to us he was AMAZED… why would he be amazed?…. Because the non trinitarian belief was still held as a solid pillar in that very day. And again in 1919 we have record of a meeting and it was discussed and was still a full majority that were non trinitarians, and it was not able to be even discussed fully because it was held by the majority of those “old timers” …. The ones that Froom did not like, such as elder Benjamin Wilkinson.
Seriously I pray that you will look into all of this yourself (prove this to be wrong) and consider the concept as did king David - he surely did not believe in a separate person spirit being from the living God when he said:
“Cast me not away from thy presence; And take not thy holy spirit from me.”
Psalm 51:11 KJV
Do you really think he thought God would take another god from him ? Or did he fully understand that God HAS a spirit - like no other…
Blessings as you look into this matter for yourself …
GODSPEED ❤❤❤
@@justinstrauss5936yes the infiltration started in the early 1900’s but was not strong enough to be able to voted in until till 1980! The non trinitarian beginning cannot be denied … and after studying this for a few years now I realize EGW never believed in a Trinity it rather her words are twisted and quotes are taken out of context when trying to prove the 3 in 1 god.
Could you please put a link to the whole of Walter Veith's talk. Thanks
Is the link available to the complete video played in this podcast? Thank you for sharing.
1980.the vote of the trinity
1995.the change of the logo
SDA Pastor preaching in unknown tongue
Can you attach link to original Valter Veith sermon?
We don't need to invite Sunday keepers to sing ,we have enough singers they shun the doctorine one of the Bible such as Sabbath keeping,state of the dead, eating of unclean food etc.
you are right, it is abomination
SDA Adventists should not worry today because of the teaching that the DOOR OF MERCY was closed in 1844 or 1844.
Where did yoy get that heresy Sir?
Who is the church?
How are those church health programs going to help those in the big cities when the GC LOSES FEDERAL FUNDING DOLLARS and we can't buy or sell..? The church in apostacy will continue to stay with the government?
Yes
Bro Lawrence, whom du you follow? Conrad Vines advice to start parachurches and separate tithe from woke conferences OR Walter Veith who advices super-glue and warns against any form of separation from the body? To me it seems that you are not fully clear in your mind about it. Are you?
In this video here, you mention the problems with drums and loud music in our churches, but in another video you show clips from a video with pastor Claudius Morgan where he shouts and dances on the pulpit with drums, singing and poly-rhythms during the sermon in a wild theatrical performance. Is that right?
The shaking will shake many conservative out, and they will believe that God is leading them.
At fourteen (14) minutes, and two (2) seconds into this video, the statement is made, "And that's why there's going to be chicken in the Seventh-day Adventist Church."
Really? Not last Sabbath here at a VERY SMALL church in Central California. Now the lady who played the piano did make a delicious vegetarian casserole with some 'Medalions' she brought back from Soqel Campmeeting--but I'm certain they weren't chicken. 🐔
He said "shaking", not chicken 😂
As people have already started arguing and name-calling in terms of what is or is not apostacy, can someone tell me what Ellen White meant by "sifted out" in the context she was speaking?
Yes i do believe that their aposticey is the church. And i s getting whors.
1 CORINTHIANS 8:6; JOHN 17:3; EPHESIANS 4:6; PROVERBS 8. The Church of God is those who keep God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Go back and study what SOP and pioneers believed in the beginning. God does not change.
Is calling people out of the SDA church to join an apparently Purer group of people apostasy?
I no longer look at those people at the perimeter during GC handing out pamphlets as strange.. or offshoot . .they just want to serve God wholly holy
@@Thedevilisaliar23 They may be sincere? But are they right in what they are doing?
Music, pathfinder badges, candle lighting, dancing, dress code???
Typing error it's Galatians 2 vs 20. 🙏🙏🙏
What apostasy do we see in the SDA church today? Hopefully WE SEE COUNTLESS APOSTASIES IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH TODAY if the wheat and tares are to grow together until the harvest.
Take a look at the paragraph which Matthew 13:24 begins from the received text:
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked {-one-]; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Source: 1611-1769 Received Text--in paragraph-context from Matthew 13: 24-43
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Prediction Regarding a Purging of Institutions-The Lord will work to purify His church. I tell you in truth, the Lord is about to turn and overturn in the institutions called by His name. Just how soon this refining process will begin I cannot say, but it will not be long deferred. He whose fan is in His hand will cleanse His temple of its moral defilement. He will thoroughly purge His floor.-Letter 4, 1895. PM 170.2
Seems like it's leaning more towards the political type of leadership then a church. Cesar's way. We all have politicians thats lip serving to their people while still doing only what they will and not God's will. I think we all have had our fill of that. I'm just a bystander but I recently found sda with light more than other doctrines. Now I can't see any difference.
The Seventh day Adventist church can NEVER be united because we are composed of 13 Divisions. Doesnt make sense why we call it "divisions" at all. I propose we call it 13 "Components". That is coherent with "Union" and "Conference". I have written a position letter to the GC on this and nothing happend. If any body out there belives the point pls help me.
What is a Lunar Sabbath? 😳
A Sabbath that is kept 7;14;21;28 days from when the new moon appears and it is based on Ezekiel 46:1.
Trinity is the no. 1 apostacy in sda church (1930s to 1980 in the making) , all others have followed
There's plenty of evidence not only on the New Testament but also on the so called Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) about this teaching. The SDA might be wrong about a LOT of things but the trinity is not one of them.