Terminator Style Apocalyptic Wasteland Scavenging Survival - The Forever Winter
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- The Forever Winter gameplay with Splattercat! Let's Play The Forever Winter and check out a game where you'll grab a team of survivors and scavenge the wasteland for anything you can find.
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I think you're mostly correct on the fact they have fantastic atmosphere, great core ideas, character design and map design. at its core it's very strong, and in my opinion the longer this game cooks the better it will be.
hit on inanimate objects can improve
movement can improve
Ai combat can improve
we have time, I have my hopium on standby
I hope they leave in some clunkiness, unpredicatability, and the feeling of being disempowered though. If this just ends up being another rags to rambo shooter I'm gonna be so disappointed. And it's nice to have something to actually put my 4090 through its paces.
Key issues are definitely the water system and some of the unfair overpowered manhunter bots. Also the performance. But it's EA, so everything will only improve.
@@toutlemonde5017 Yeah I agree, personally I like how the movement feels. Main movement issue is just getting stuck on terrain often
Yea any shooter worth their salt need to remove all invisible walls. Lack of stealth options (Stealth Kills, silent weapons, traps you can set, landmines/tripwires) They also need to fix the spawning so they don't just instantly spawn near you, perhaps have only certain areas of the map they can enter from but give a warning and some time before they appear.
@@robrobusa overpowered bots?
Damn, as a hungry hobo I feel that airtstrike jets are totaly overpowered. And dont ge me started on missle cruisers. I aint even sure thaty are in the same zone but they bombed my home...
Still you hope AAA(A?) physics from indie dev.
My most closely watched game this year. Gonna let it marinate a bit more, but I feel by Christmas I'll just get it and binge during the holidays.
You won't. It's so so bad. You'll try and be disappointed
@@Joe-ti7qdwhy do you say that?😊
@@cjknoll22 AI is a mess, water system is ass, dont even hope of getting decent frames if you dont have a super beefy gpu/cpu
Same, but it'll be after a year for me. If it's still alive then.
Make sure you have a very solid PC. Minimum is like a RTX 3080ti or RTX4070, a i7 12700F or i9 equivilent, 32 gb ram, SSD, etc. Even with those specs you dont get 60 fps.
Making the game pve instead of some pvp extraction shooter number 754 was a good choice , cant wait to see what they come with for the few months , since we are playing basically a development build i hope they make the game better with the feedback they get ,big balls on the team for releasing the game on this state and not being scared of negative feedback but this is what early access should be , and not a umfinished game for 10 years being frozen in development
This is clearly an unfinished game and shouldn't be on early access, as many games shouldn't. Is more like there's a new way on devs to make very expensive demos.
@@ttsymphonyg its The Beta Tester that Advice them to go Early Access the EA its just Release recently but there is many Beta tester footage at YT and an Essay about it
@@ttsymphonyg a ckearly unfinished game shouldn't be on early access? Isn't that the point of early access?
@@MrRafagigapr there's a difference between an Early Access stage of a game and a Demo.
@@ttsymphonygif you think this game is a demo then dont buy the game just get the demo coming out in 2 weeks lmao
Can confirm that if you don't have real up to date hardware that this game will absolutely chug and die.
got a 3060 12G on a ryzen 5 7600, running fine in 1080p
Playing on a 4 year old gaming laptop on medium with 60fps barely any dips. Maybe I just got lucky.
Runs fine on my RTX 4090 😀
4060ti high settings on 1080, 80-119 fps
The weird thing about this game is that every map has problems loading the first time, but runs much better the second time around. It doesn't help, though, that the hub area is the least optimized part of the whole game (other than the Elephant Mausoleum).
The important thing to know about the enemies in the game is that they have a threat hierarchy that they follow pretty reliably.
In general units will focus on fighting the most dangerous thing that they can reasonably damage. After that they'll try to fight other similar units of the opposing military so tanks will fight tanks and infantry will fight infantry. Then they'll start shooting at opposing military units weaker than themselves, so tanks vs infantry and that sort of thing.
Only after all proper opposing military units are killed will they generally start paying attention to the player. It's actually safest to be running around where there's intense fighting happening because the enemy will be almost entirely focused on each other instead of some scav just lurking around not doing much. However if you're caught lurking around units that aren't in combat they're usually much more aggressive towards you specifically.
So you end up with this great dynamic of the intense firefights often being the safest place to be and the "safe" zones being the least safe for you. You can also exploit the system by drawing units from opposing militaries towards each other and then sneaking off when they start focusing on each other or finishing off the survivors.
The biggest thing about the game though is that no matter how much gear you might end up with you are always going to be the underdog and getting into a stand up fight with anybody is just going to result in more and more enemies getting drawn in and you overwhelmed. It's a fascinating dynamic but especially right now the game doesn't do a good job of explaining it and it flies in the face of how a lot of other games work.
As far as I'm concerned though this aspect of the loop is really good and already works really well, it just needs to be presented better to people who haven't been following development since it got announced. Other aspects of the game definitely need a pass, but I wanted to focus on at the core gameplay loop here because I think it's really novel.
Edit to add: The player elevates their status in the hierarchy by engaging enemies, so if you shoot an enemy infantry squad they will 100% start engaging you like they would regular enemy infantry.
You absolutely have to use the fact that they ignore you against them to get as much information as possible so you can plan ambushes. If you engage the enemy you have to be prepared for a big fight. The early game is absolutely built around sneaking and gathering what gear you can before you're strong enough to think about fighting very much of anything.
Good explaination there, well written.
This guy pretty much nails how the enemy AI works in the game. The one major thing I don't appreciate about this mechanic though is if you start killing enemies, and you grab agro attention, enemies literally SPAWN around you. There are plenty of enemies around the map that I think the spawning is unnecessary. I should be able to eliminate a squadron (if I'm lucky) and get the chance to escape. The spawn adds artificial difficulty and cracks immersion.
@DigitalFulcrum 100% there are plenty of aspects that need work, enemy AI and spawns in particular. I just really wanted to address the base mechanics because good lord does the game not really explain them.
This explanation should be copy pasted right into the game intro.
I did notice splatter cat not reading the loop right. It looked to me like there were paths where squads of 5 would travel every minute about. Where the paths intersect a battle would happen, that last about a minute. Picking off the survivors and looting the scene ought to be a good strategy, but they're a trap because another battle is about to start at that intersection point.
That is actually why sometimes it's a good idea to actually fire your gun as if you plan a route to sprint away you can bait two factions into killing each other and then when they leave you pick up the scraps.
As jank as this game is, I do hope the devs keep with it. If they can iron it out, I'd probably play this.🖤💜
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There is no hope here. Someone spent a lot of money on this slop. Ouch.
@@Joe-ti7qd How do you do it?
String together two sentences with an IQ lower than your shoe size, that is.
Whoever is helping you, they must be a saint.
@@Joe-ti7qd it’s early access. So yes there is hope. It’s been less than a day since release.
@@Hunter57588 I like it in some way. If they keep it up, this could be a really really good game.
@@thefirstloser I agree, in fact they just released a fix today. And they said they hear us on our cries on the water system.
I will say, despite the jank, the difficulty, and whatever your feelings on the water upkeep (not something that bothers me). This games atmosphere is bar none imo. It has given me pause in how beautifully grim it can be. Sometimes you can watch some sick ass battles as a fly on the wall. Other times the scenery looks like a painting. I went to one map like 3 times in a row and at one point, to make it feel like the war wages without you. The map was FULL of bodies. Like truly mountains of them. It was sad/terrifying. I had only been gone for a bit. And in that time literal thousands had been piled high for recycling. Its sick as hell. I cant wait to see where this game goes. Its a reccommend from me if you can get past the mechanical issues lol.
the atmosphere is amazing, and the game can get much better. but I'll wait for them to ged rid of the water mechanics and do all the very necessary polish before buying it.
@@danilooliveira6580 absolutely fair decision. Some of the bugs are very frustrating lol. I've gotten stuck in the floor more than a few times
@@danilooliveira6580 I agree. I like the look of the game, I like the vibe, i like everything about it. But when I read that you need water to NOT loose everything and that it counts down in Real Time, I just ent 'nope'. I don't have time to devote myself 24/7 to a game. I might play other games too.
It certainly passed the vibe check.
@@oliverclothezoff3361 ". I've gotten stuck in the floor more than a few times"
killer robots done discovered gorilla glue
I feel like this game would be best enjoyed as a horror game rather than a shooter. Like playing it prepared for horror as opposed to trying to get bigger and better guns to fight back.
Higher level scavs are a horror game
You're not far off. Horror mixed in with Thief in a post apocalyptic world dominated by rogue AI.
It is, first and foremost a horror game in a post-apocalyptic setting. Check out the trailers. th-cam.com/video/xIRrKM4AUW4/w-d-xo.html
Your reviews are really important to me, about games I may like to give a try or not.
Keep going!
The Forever Water
Omg this
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Lmao
I heard you can stock up water to last like 60 irl days, if you drop a game for 2 months, a reset seems kinda fair.
@@BouncingTribbles a few hours a week is plenty to get enough water for a month. a game for everyone is a game for no one. water system fits with the lore and give a sense of pressure to always keep up on it. good games die because people love to ruin ideas that might be "risky" i have a suggestion Minecraft or sims doesn't have this system.
This game has been on my radar forever! Super excited
Don't get your hopes up, I tried it and doesn't feel fun...It's quite janky even for an early access.
The game available now
@ucef9945 give it 5 years then it be done.
They release it too early also they are force to release it remember that
@@TheDragonfriday you got to get money some how
Dont be bro, it has like another year in development before its even remotely enjoyable to play.
Did anyone else see a tank go flying at 13:14?
That's nothing.
One match, a T-90 tank spawned ON TOP of ANOTHER TANK. Minute or two later, the one on top was flipped over and it's underside was facing the sky; while the turret was buried in the dirt.
@@divebombexpert2619 I was playing and that happened to me too. I laughed my ass off.
I see the Russian space program is alive and well even in the grim future.
Yesterday i had a t-90 jumpscare moment, tanks in this game on spawn like to suddenly lunch themselves in any direction. I turned around just in time to see one of said tanks do a barrel roll into me and killed me. Was funny tho.
The tanks get kicked.
"You can collect enough water in a few hours to last for weeks!"
Then why even have the mechanic at all? How does it do *anything* to help the game?
they could change the water mechanic to be something more like a currency (like different locations cost water to get to and different extractions and stuff costs you water to use or rent)
water lvl is also the hideout lvl as some traders require certain amount of it to spawn in the hideout like the rig trader needs 16 days. it's not rly that bad, you can get few jugs of water with the right rig and it's easy to get once you know the spawns plus quests always give you some. Max cap is 55 days and 80 upgraded and let's be real, no one is going to be playing for 80 days straight right now
@@BatalionHunter i like your idea of it, if they wanted to keep it so much they could just make it so that instead of losing all your stuff they could just make your characters less fit for conbat, have lower stamina, or carry capacity while dehydrated, if they dont get water after 72 hours from becoming dehydrated their vision and hearing becomes impaired and they start seeing hallucinations, and start exhibiting stroke-like symptoms, and another 72 hours after that the character is gone, losing all of its exp and levels but its gear is carried over to either your remaining toons or to your storage. Same thing for vendors, if they cant get water then they'll take off and leave.
Additionally water as a currency would make a lot of sense, like in the division where people fought and k%%%% for a mere bottle of water. Making deals with the npc factions on the map for say water or a pair of fresh boots for example would earn you safe passage for a certain amount of time as well as positive reputation points, making them less likely to shoot at you (as long as you dont raise your gun at them).
It's the core point ... ??? I fail to understand people with your thought process .... Why play ANY game, with your thought process .... if you don't get it, that's fine. BUT just don't give it a downvote, bad review..... its not justifiable.
Having more water attracts vendors and other things you can unlock.
Me and the boys, WW3rd Edition.
Always start a run with this in mind... "Whenever I fire my weapon, I'm ringing the dinner bell." There are 3 factions waging global war against each other and YOU are a malnourished scavenger trying to survive just one more day.
Very much its said in the devs own words. "You are not a hero." and I think they even cite rambo as a no go. But yeah, its far better to just let them fight, loot after, and not look the threat.
Are any of the three factions zombies or something? Cus if these three factions are fighting each other, and I am just some nobody scav trying to stay out of the way, why would they even bother coming after me just because they heard a gunshot? If my gun wasn't fired at them, i just don't see why they'd expend the time and energy to track down someone who isn't a threat. Clearly the sound of distant gunfire is something that everyone in this world is completely used to at this point, they wouldn't even notice it after a while, thed just tune it out like any other background noise. Now if I started taking shots at them, thats different, that should provoke a response. but just making a really loud noise? Nah, that's just not realistic behavior.
@@jameswarner7435 Eurasia DOES actually employ cyberzombies, though not all their units are just monsters.
I should note that on an active battlefield where every side is warcriming it up to high hell the Rules of Engagement are more a half hearted suggestion at best. I doubt murderous war machines and soldiers are gonna watch their fire against anything that doesn't look like them.
@@jameswarner7435 It's the mindset that the entire world is against you and you are not them. They hear a shot? They crush it.
While trying to steal from all three sides. Plus you are IN AN ACTIVE WAR ZONE. Everybody there is jumpy as hell and will shoot everything that moves.
So much potential this game but unless you have a 40 series GPU forget it.
I guess it really is all over the place with the performance, I have a friend with a 1660 that has 50-60 fps , and a guy with a 4060 that gets 25-40
My 2080ti gets me 60-70 on med. Still looks damn good.
I have a 3070 and I’m getting 90+ frames most of the time. Usually more.
It's been in beta one day. Give it some time. Don't buy till they fix it.
My 3060 is doing fine tbh had a real stutter entering the innards
I love this game, have been enjoying it. Out of all the video of it I've seen, I've never seen anyone kill as many enemies as you lmao. You are meant to be the little loot rat but you can hold your own when geared. A demo will be available in October so anyone can try it out to see if they can run it or if they like it.
Literally who would want to only sneak around and loot stuff without killing stuff? This game will be dead in 3 days
@@yous2244 Some of us like gunplay as a last resort, rather than the first resort. Thinking > Dakka, for some. Not to knock gunplay completely, it's fun. But there is more than one type of fun.
Horses for courses mate.
@@yous2244 There's definitely a niche for that. Styx: Master of Shadows comes to mind. The game does provide ways for you to kill stuff and feel good, but it's not a game where you want to be running straight towards anyone at any point.
love the concept and setting. been keeping an eye on it. Gonna give it another year to cook before I try it out
The #1 criticism about this game is around making you play every day to replenish the water supply, which is used based on real-world time, not game time. If you run out of water you lose all equipment, NPCs, wharever.
The devs says this is on purpose so "you get anxious about the game even when you are not playing". I was really excited about this game, but I will have to pass given the fact that even though I would love to play video games all day, you know, I have a life.
It's crazy that I see people defending the water mechanic.
Wow. That's a super dumb design. Who, on earth, wants to feel anxious about a game when they're not playing it? I game to relax.
I think the only good part of the system is that they do at least let you stockpile 50-80 IRL days of water depending on how upgraded your base is. But they really need to take another look at the consequences of letting it run out.
I don't think the system should go away entirely, but having it wipe your save if it runs out is too much IMO.
Lmao who said you have to play all day? Maybe you should try it before you knock it.
@@Akatsuki_716 Why don't you think the mechanic should go away? What positive thing does it add? I can think of none.
A big mistake is shooting, at all. Making yourself known is a death sentence is most scenarios.
Yeah he says at the start i don't know what killed me. You shot a guy. His friend radioed into a mech you were shooting and your position. You didn't move for a few seconds. He called in artillery. If you play the game not like a first person shooter where you're the bulletproof hero but real life. It plays a LOT better. Don't let them know you're even around if you can. If you do hit and run. Don't get pinned down. THEY WILL call for help. They will work together. That's part of why the game is so great even with it's current flaws. Hopefully they'll be ironed out in early access.
@@Esperkama Yeah.
This is Thief, not Battlefield.
A stealth focused game with no actual stealth mechanics, what a fun time.
@@Smathalgoth What do you mean?
He clearly snuck around successfully, until he opened fire.
@@christopherg2347 TFW is lacking stuff like going prone or crawling, camouflage, hiding in shadows, distraction mechanics, all things I would expect from a stealth focused game.
This game is so much the exact opposite of Witchfire :-) If they turn it into a post-apocalyptic PVE Hunt Showdown, that would be amazing.
Witchfire looks amazing, and judging by reviews it is. Compared to this which has shit reviews.
@@ShaddyzZz I mean, to be fair Witchfire has been in early access for a year and a half on Epic and this game just entered early access. Let's see how this looks in a year and a half and compare the polish to today's Witchfire.
This is supposed to be more like Thief. It was originally going to be a journalist wandering through the war zone but it turned into a game. But this is not an extraction shooter, its more an extraction post apocalyptic thief simulator. The objective is to go out and ghost run while robbing all three factions blind.
@@Wastelandman7000 Interesting. I know Thief was very popular back in its day but the lack of light/shadow and the dodgy movement need to be fixed if that's the case. Stealth-'em-ups aren't my cup of tea personally, but I wish them the best with it.
There has been a prevailing idea in this game and goes like this "Your not the guy" you are trying to survive like a rat not a wolf
I see potential for this game to be quite big. A bunch of patches and it will be very good.
So just like every other triple-A title amirite
@@Micsma But it's not triple A
The game punishes you for taking a break-if you don’t log in to refill your water reserves, your base, progress, and inventory are all wiped out.
That sound unfathomably stupid
it is kinda dumb but to be fair, you don't lose character XP and i don't THINK you lose money, i also got like 15 days of water in a couple hours of doing other things so really as long as you play every 55 days shouldn't be an issue, but yeah it should be optional or smthn
As a father with a full time job and two kids who also have activities I need to bring them to, this is unacceptable to me. My game time is becoming more and more unpredictable as I go along. I refuse to be held to the game's schedule.
@@Woeboez it is, when stupid people who never played the game relay it. You can find water that will last your settlement for weeks, in a matter of couple of hours. It's basically a non-problem, it's a stupid mechanic that has no redeeming qualities, but it is easily defeated.
Its no different than a Wipe in Tarkov, just that you decide when the wipe will happen, and all your character levels and perks are preserved, only your bases and loots are affected
is the water level mechanic real??
Yeah, and it will wipe your save (except character XP) if you run out, regardless of whether or not you are playing (ticks based on IRL time)
It’s a bit frustrating to hear the devs refuse to tweak or change the system, but time will tell.
@TheSidwysDrftr they did tweak it, they made it where you can store up to 80 irl days of water vs the 30 it was which is easy to do. If you aren't playing in 80 days then oh well I guess.
@@TheSidwysDrftr Yep, and based on the reviews/comments, there are now thousands of people who refuse to play it, myself included, because of this. Which is a shame, I was looking forward to this.
@@Garflog643 Today it's 80 days, and a patch tomorrow could make it 10. The devs also said they were surprised just how fast people accumulated water, so that's another possible change to make water much, much more scarce.
Bottom line is until there is some level of agreement by the devs what the mechanic will actually entail we're all just guessing. And for a lot of folks that means a hard pass on early access.
@@erikvaid2560the reset is like blizzard deleting d2 characters not played for a few weeks
It's got a very long way to go
Had about 3hrs of Butt-clenching fun last night. The co-op was busted(now patched) and ya, the AI movement and enemy spawns can get wonky, but with all that EA jank, I had fun. Ran smooth as well at 60+fps
The water mechanic was actually not as bad as it once was, so that's great(9 days worth in 3 hours).
They dropped a patch this am, so they seems to up to par with user feedback better than most devs. So much potential
For me, this was a pass, and I REALLY wanted to play it. The water usage in real-time makes it a no. If the water goes to 0, while you are not playing, you lose everything but xp, supposedly.
u find water everywhere, u can store up to 80 days of water. i dont think its that big of an issue. if u dont play for 80 days, u dont play the game anyways.
pretty sure that water mechanic will get a rework in further game development anyways.
Even so its the principle. They should just make mobile games. @@hanswurst-ej3qj
@@hanswurst-ej3qj Do people seriously no fucking boot up games they used to play anymore? Is the concept of a break such an absurd concept especially for an early access title.
The system just adds nothing to the gameplay loop. It adds a pointless meta concept that makes 0 sense in game.
Edit: Its also funny, we are on a channel where the guy comes back and plays games he has played prior after a 6 month or year long break. Yet nah "u don't play the game anyways"
@@hanswurst-ej3qj you ever go on a holiday ? Or taken a break from a game 2 months is not a long time.
God forbid your pc has problems and you can't afford to fix it.
Water ticking down when offline is a stupid system.
Make the water harder to find and then only goes down when online. This makes water more of a objective
@@liamdk9625then you've got bigger problems. Jfc y'all whiners. Go back to genshin impact f2p ok?
I too was super excited, until I saw Steam reviews mention the "Water" mechanic.
FOMO at it's finest, literally a mobile game mechanic. Keep playing or get progress wiped.
Here's hoping it'll be patched out or something.
theres already chinese cheating apps that remove the water its just 20$
Even without its terrible
Pointless online/mobile game forced-engagement mechanic that should go.
@@onecalledchuck1664 they are going to burn more goodwill of the community than its worth with this
The thing is, they've literally already talked about this mechanic for awhile before release...so, you can't act surprised. Like seriously....everyone acting shocked at this clearly never did their homework, so that is on THEM and not the devs; the devs did their job to literally already inform people of this in written and video form
One of my top 10 upcoming games? Awesome.
I like everything about this game. The atmosphere is really good and it totally delivers on what they advertised and wanted it to be. Also it runs without any issues for me.
You can't be real.
@@Joe-ti7qd Runs fine for me also. 80fps. I just dialled it down to "High" instead of "Epic" and set it to fullscreen.
Kinda funny how they turned Tarkov rats lifestyle into fullblown game...
Yeah, going to skip this one because of the water mechanic. For those that do not know: Barrels of water buy you 1 day of real world time (24 hours), that continues to tick down even when offline. So it punishes people with little time to play by wiping their base and inventory if they don't maintain enough water which drains in real time even while offline...
Oh if that's true that's crazy. I hope they have different difficulty options for people that are masochistic.
Just don't have a job or life bro. Just play the game bro. Just buy the super duper star coin and get some water bro!
People are getting weeks worth of water in a matter of couple of hours. You have to not play the game at all, in order to have your water drop to zero, and then, well, you haven't played the game in the first place, why would you care.
@@Hikkikomoruor they could just not have a stupid mechanic like that, it adds nothing to the game and is just annoying.
@@cybergodkek6618 Except there's no microtransactions, or battle passes, or loot boxes for a real currency. And it will stay that way. That's one of the devs shticks. No micro except for cosmetics. You would know that, if you weren't just a rando who knows fuck all about the game and just regurgitates other people's nonsense.
Still needs some cooking, so no money for them yet.
Yea, I wish the fans hadn't pressured them in to releasing too soon, I think it's gonna hurt the game in the long run
@@halfskeloton pressured? weak excuse. they chose to do this because $
Ive put like 4 hours into the game and its so rough.. Ive had enemies respawn directly on top of me.. and the performance isnt great either if you dont have an insanely beastly computer. The water mechanic is also quite punishing :C
Stop lying to people, okay? The only punishment is you being bad at the game. 😊😊😊
i want this game setting but in warhammer 40k. make me a deserting guard surviving and looting. avoiding both humans and tyranids.
I could totally get behind this idea, I would play it
isn't that basically Darktide?
@@MrAgmoore setting yes. its not the same playstyle its more left 4 dead.
theres no survival or base crafting manegment.
The concept is interesting, art is great, but the current state of the game is bad. Stutters, lags, AI bugs out on any and all non-flat surfaces. I will just wait for a year or two before trying it out.
I'm happy I waited for reviews before buying the game, the water mechanic is a huge deal breaker for me. I basically gave up on trying to get a carrier in Elite dangerous for the same reason. fuck mechanics that require you to get back to the game on their time, not yours. I also REALLY don't like the character selection, "hero shooters" is a plague in games nowadays, just let me create my character and customize their stats any way I want.
What I've gathered from my experience with the game, is that there is some learning curve to it. Before you pass that learning curve, water mechanic won't matter much, if at all. And after you go past that learning curve, water mechanic really won't matter. As I see it, it's just a gimmick that you can ignore, unless they change it somewhere down the line.
They're not really "heros"...like, I get what you mean but there isn't anything wrong in having archetypes...they're essentially classes wrapped around a skin, NOT "operators" like in COD or BF. They're meant to make your play style different for each character/class, creating variety in play styles.
@@TheMrDewil doesn't matter. I often stop playing games for months at a time when I want to concentrate on some work or want to play something else. I don't want a game to make me have to remember to get back to it from time to time so I don't lose all my progress. it doesn't add anything to the experience, it just makes it more frustrating for no reason at all. this kind of mechanics only serves to manufacture player retention through something equivalent to FOMO. it's actually the same reason I never bothered with carriers when I stopped playing Elite, even though people said the same thing "you can finance it for months with just a few hours of playing the game". or I can just stop playing the game and never worry about it.
@@ChristoffRevan classes and heroes are virtually the same thing, except one offer LESS customization. and guess what, I also don't like classes in games. one of the things that made me fall in love with Original Sin 2 was the fact you could just build your character in the most unhinged way with zero restrictions. same for Helldivers 2, you just gear your character with whatever you want and equip anything you want. THAT is how this game was supposed to be played, you make your character and build it the way you want with no restrictions and see what happens. what if I want to specialize my character in heavy rifle, shotgun, and speed, while playing with a girl ? I can't.
@@danilooliveira6580 fair enough. I wasn't advocating for something. It was just my take on it. I'm sure devs will come around and implement it in some other meaningful way. It's the reasonable thing to do, and if you're an indie, you can't afford to be unreasonable.
A FAIR WARNING to anyone considering buying into Early Access.
The game has a mechanic that PUNISHES people for not logging into the game often enough by WIPING majority of their progress.
One of the gameplay elements is gathering water to use as a resource for the upkeep on your base.
Every day of the REAL OFFLINE TIME> you lose a set amount of water. If you lose all of it - your entire base, all the upgrades and customisations, all of your inventory and character equipment are PERMANENTLY WIPED. Only your character level remains.
The total level cap for water is currently at 80 days, but this just trivialises the mechanic without resolving the underlying issue.
If you have a busy offline life, like to play other games or simply don't want to add another worry to your daily list of concerns - this game is not for you in it's current state.
I play rust and think this is a terrible move by the devs. What were they thinking? Trying to be a mobile game
Dammit that ruins it. I was hoping it was a nice scavenger game to hop into from time to time.
I second this. Love the idea of the game, and the feeling it gives you. But sadly its about 1 year to early even for early access, and this water system makes the game a no-go for me who play other games and cant log in and play this for 2-3 hours every day.
Refunded it, because im not gonna stand for a mobile game system that forces me to play. Its like the age old saying ”Vote with your wallet”.
There are other, full release games in the same type of genre for the same cost that actually runs and doesnt have this mechanic. Helldivers 2 is one. $30 on steam. Singleplayer or Co-op, it runs on lower end hardware, fun enjoyable customization, you log in and play when you want, on your terms. And it has a lot more content to it.
@@fallencantgetup3073i Tried for 2 hours yesterday to get one barrel of water and i failed. 2 hours is about all the time i got each session. If i cant gather enough water to keep me going for 24 hours in a 2 hour session, i will never make any progress in this game. I’ll be starting over from scratch each time. No thanks.
"Only your character level remains." - and that is by far the most important thing.
Money, weapons and reputation come very quickly - recovering from total loss, currently, can be done almost entirely in one play session. (For instance, I maxed all relations, got ~40 days of water and quite a varied armory of weapons in the first 7 hours I played).
Not saying the water mechanic is good or bad - just stating the facts of how the game operates currently.
Hey Splatty, as an aficionado of all things Dwarf, will you be having a look at OreBound?
It's EA , it does need work they have acknowledged this. If you think your 3070 is still top of the line tech be prepared to complain (this is UE5 , it time to upgrade...). It also has a water mechanic that will enrage most people. You don't play for 80 days you lose all your stuff. If you can have patience that things will get fixed and don't care about the water thing its gonna be a great game.
Excuses are like what?
unless you are making an incredibly niche game whose purpose is to reach new heights of graphic fidelity, you shouldn't make a game that doesn't run in 90% of the GPUs in Steam's hardware survey. doesn't matter that 3070 isn't top of the line, series 4 only represent less than 10% of the GPUs on Steam's survey, while series 3 and 2 represent more than 30%. and that 30% is probably going to be their biggest target audience.
30 series cards are 4 years old, that's a problem on newer tech. Here what the "stats" say to me you provided, that 30% of people out there need to upgrade.
Or should we just give up on advancing tech as a nation / society /corporate structure in gaming?
@@swiftbear 30% of the people probably CAN'T upgrade because GPUs are expensive. some of them (like me) may even have to update their CPU and motherboard to justify the GPU upgrade. those people are also possible buyers. you are basically defending an industry that push unoptimized games to help sell expensive video cards that most people shouldn't need.
@@danilooliveira6580 Ahhh yes, the standard "We can't afford excuse" ...Wonder how many $7 coffees , vapes, eating outs , etc. these people do that could make simple $50 a month payment to upgrade instead?
Have you heard of the game Grey Zone Warfare? The developers came out and stated at release -
"We are developing our game on current technology (UE5) and if you are running OLD technology (30 series or older card) you are going to have a problem."
Yeah man, this game needs at least 2-3 more years in the oven.
Been playing this game for hours now, already got a full modded out AK. Only problem for me is that Scorched Landscape keeps crashing my game so 🤷♂️
Is ther a raid time?? Or can you stay in as long as you want
You can stay as long as you want, but the game will spawn and send Hunter Killers after you until you extract. Community hasn't figured out all the condition triggers yet but one of them is looting too much.
@@Azazel226 it feels like a trigger is quest/high value items had hunter killers spawn within 3min and all I picked up was drone part
3:30 I knew it wouldn't be optimised well. That's a no for me then.
LOL for an early access beta game? LOL. What a L take
12:00 yep you mag dumb into iron bar.
"I expected to go into this game like a rambo badass"
How. How could you in a million years expect that, when literally every video of this, ever mention of it, every thumbnail, is plastered with "YOU ARE NOT THE HERO" and pictures of a small guy surrounded by giant mechs with giant red arrows pointing at him going "YOU ARE THIS GUY". Everyone talking about this game is literally jerking themselves to the very thought that you are weak and not a hero and that this isn't that kind of game. So where did you get this idea of 'going in like a rambo badass' from?
People are already defending the water mechanic, saying shit like "3 hours and I already have over two weeks of water" and yeah it's nice that it's so easy to get, but wasn't the whole point for the water to be a really rare and valuable resource? There's no way they're going to be able to keep the timer, and balance it properly, they need to make it a much harsher system, but not tied to real time.
that is one of the only good critiques i saw of this mechanic, people saying that it is way to hard haven't played the game, the max capacity is 2 months, which is crazy generous,, considering that yes, it is very easy to find water in the maps
I take year long breaks from my favourite games, this does not sit well with me.
@@cartellaio6955 So, you played the game, got to end game and had a save file with all kinds of things unlocked, and then wanted to play some new games. Six months later, when you're in the mood for some Forever Winter, you boot up the game and your 40+ hour save has been wiped. "Two months is generous" does not fix that issue.
There's already videos up on how to speedrun getting water in 1 minute (Mech Trench). Getting water isn't hard, but honestly it's a pointless mechanic to even have in a game. It's like a mobile game mechanic that tries to punish people for putting the game down for a bit and playing something else. Which goes contrary to their "anti-pay-to-win" and chill nature of their promotional video. No idea why they thought the water mechanic draining while you weren't playing was necessary. It's not challenging, it's not rewarding, it's just trying to punish people for putting the game down for a bit.
On a positive note, the devs have taken note of all the protest and explicitly said they intend to revise the water mechanic. We'll see how it goes.
If the argument against the water system is "It's easy to save up months worth" then.... Why is it even a thing in the first place? In your own words, it adds NOTHING with its current implementation other than a constant annoyance of losing everything for an arbitrary reason. What if you want to dip on the game for a while, either for your own reasons, or because of its obvious ridiculous levels of clunk at this time?
Well, screw you, I guess. And for what? Legit the only reason I can see for people going to bat for this system is the age old 'it makes the game harder, therefore it's good even if its a bad system'. Losing temporary access to some things in the base, sure. Losing actual progress permanently? That's a no from me, and pretty much anyone else other than the faux hardcore crowd.
Why are people defending the water mechanic? It's a net negative.
If you guys are undercover devs, do us all a favor and change it.
It’s pretty funny reading the comments about it I both agree and disagree. I think it’s a weird mechanic to have, especially considering how hard it would be to recover from a full wipe. But also, It’s easy to get a ton of water on certain maps. Overall, they need to remove it.
the devs deciding to add FOMO via the water system is super scummy and a deal breaker for me. Shame because i was really hyped for this title. But disrespecting the players time so egregiously is a huge red flag. This is streamer bait mobile game territory
The water thing is a huge dealbreaker for me. It sounds like they're trying to use it to guarantee that people log in, to keep numbers up, but forcing people to log in to do chores so they aren't punished for having a life is never, ever going to work out long-term in a game's favor. It does seem like some games think it's a viable alternative to FOMO though, which is just as gross in a totally different way.
The EA trailer banged on about 'we miss having games come out the way they used to, content-complete and etc etc' -- none of my old games made me log in to do chores under threat of my progress being deleted otherwise, lol. I hope they reconsider that nonsense.
Yeah ill just say it, not touching this game until that water mechanic is fixed, honestly it looked mid and overhyped to begin with and the game looks janky as hell.
Why do you insist on always fighting though? You said it yourself- all my successful extractions were no-combat, and yet you go on and start shootouts like a glitched AI :(
Kinda funny how they turned Tarkov rats lifestyle into fullblown game.
😂
Its more Thief: Post Apocalyptic edition. Its NOT an extraction shooter! Its an extraction STEALTH game.
According to the devs you're NOT I repeat NOT supposed to engage unless you have no choice. You're like Garret trying to sneak through and steal everything not nailed down without being spotted.
So ghost runs are the default way of playing. If you try to play this as an extraction shooter you will be hosed. Every time.
As to why there are no distraction mechanics, its because this is an active war zone and everybody is trigger happy. When its your ass on the line you're not going to wait to find out if that noise was just a noise or if that shot was just some jumpy scav or an enemy about to wipe you out. You're going full mag dump. So if you try a distraction you're going to only draw fire.
Oh boy. This kids complaining about wipe. You noobs that dont know Rust. Lol
If you are into shooters and are looking for Destiny, Apex and Battlefield-like games this is NOT the game for you. This is a scavenging survival game that's gritty and hard. Your better off skulking in the shadows and not pulling the trigger, it's awesome but not a twitchy triggerfest. Once you accept that then you can experience this game immersively. A lot of tubers don't understand that.
This is for the Tarkov Scav mains.
The whole gun modding mechanic, in a game that punishes players for using guns, is likely the source of some of that confusion.
The one hope i have is that the devs are open to feedback and I'm sure the water medhanic will change in some way. The polish will come with time
I will state that the muzzle flash is actually very realistic and pretty close to what you would exerience in real life when using a rifle with no flash suppressor or other typical muzzle device and using dirty ammo. It would be more "transparent" in real life but otherwise thats what I experienced when firing an AK with low quality "dirty" Russian ammunition. We just are not used to the in the US as we have higher quality guns with proper muzzle breaks and we have clean burning ammunition. Given your using a "scrap" ak47, and "junk" ammo in the game there, thats 95% accurate.
I've had five runs now. I'll be honest, with my playstyle, it's pretty easy so far. I'm cautious, patient, don't engage unless I absolutely have to, and I haven't even been shot at once. On top of that, I definitely don't have a top-of-the-line graphics card, but it runs the game just fine. I think I have the settings to medium, which is absolutely fine with me, and after everything finished building and shading and rendering, I have smooth gameplay.
Why are you fighting everyone.
Concept looks interesting but I grew out of buying games on "potential" 10 years ago. Will wait to see if there is actual development happening with this game or if it stagnates/dies after a couple months. Normally though a game this jank rings some alarm bells if there are not rather big improvements in the first couple of months you can probably expect it to be a janky mess forever.
watched some other gameplay of this, seems like it can be a great game but from what i've seen terrible optimization and the camera is horrible with the third person since the character and the giant ass backpack can block your vision heavily. just those two reasons alone put me off from buying it, will wait till they fix it or add a fps option.
edit: and now that you mentioned the clunky movement, definitely gonna wait on it. i'm not sure if i'll enjoy the gameplay loop either seeing as it discourages you from getting into firefights. if so what's the point of getting more money and better gear?
"Post-Apocalyptic" Setting....oh ho ho ho, I'm sorry to tell you that the Apocalypse is ongoing in the game's world.
people really need to understand that this is true *early* access.
I think most people understand that. I just dont understand why so many people are willing to pay money to alpha test games for these companies. Like they usually paid people to do that, not the other way around. But it does seem kinda dumb to buy an early access title and then complain about it having early access kinds of problems. like what did they expect?
That UI is *too much (theu need to scale it down/ back (I don't need giant white crap glowing on my screen while I'm trying to scav'around).
It's definitely an early-access game in the TRUE meaning of the word... Which is to say playable, but still under rapid-development. Prior to release, the dev's have had a good track-record of communication, and I am confident they will continue to actively refine and develop. I think the studio saw that it was experiencing it's first legitimate spike in publicity and decided to capitalize on the opportunity. If they navigate early-access well, I think Forever Winter will grow into an AWESOME game.
rx 6600, 32 gb ddr5 ram, ryzen 5 7600, SSD. All gfx settings off or lowest value, 1760 resolution and still I get about 45 fps outside of the innards, maybe 60 FPS inside, with a huge amount of stuttering and long pauses while the game tries to figure everything out, and even with 60+ frames there is an inherent mouse lag that may be there to simulate inertia somehow, but makes me feel like my mouse has a ping of 500. I was very excited for this game, this is not a hate post.
I think your wrong on needing another year before they released into EA. This game is such a new approach, it's it's own genre. There is alot to figure out, but once you do, there is method to the madness. It's a game that plays and doesn't crash. That beats the bar for alot of games that got released in last 2 years. It frustrates people cause it's soo different and soo groundbreaking. But yes the environment LOD objects need to be slippery, so if you touch it you slide off of it, instead of getting stuck .it's literally 90% with last 10% polish,
Community asks for early release, and devs oblige. Then people buy a game and then shit on it because its too early. Can't win with these people
Of course they did. People at the Fun Dog, for the most part, aren't those that had dealt with the crowds and their silly demands before this. I just hope the game don't die prematurely. It's too beautiful and innovative to just go up in smoke.
The devs should of had enough self awareness to not keel and just let it cook until it was more optimized. ANd lets be real the devs are just trying to make some money.
@@vilxxblack2472 as most devs are.
@@vilxxblack2472 nothing wrong with wanting to make some money. As far as I know, indie dev life is tough. But I do think, that some 5-6 more months would've worked wonders for EA debut.
It's almost like a community consists of a bunch of individuals, each with their own wants, desires and tolerances 🤯 F-ing *wild* .
Drawing aggro to neutral NPCs and running into battles he has no need to run into, is something the game allows you to do, but you are meant to avoid engaging into combat, to sneak around and just walk behind other squads, and when chased lure in your pursuers towards those neutral NPCs
I think giving Splat an assault riffle from the get go was a mistake, because he got the idea that "yeah i could clear this squad and take control of this part of the map, and loot everything", which is the antithesis of the whole game
The H2O mechanic is why I am not interested. I want a game to play at my leisure, not a part time job or I lose my progress.
"All of my successful extracts have had like no combat in them"
My brother in the machine god, that is the whole point. You are not supposed to fight. This game revolves around flee if you can, fight if you must.
What concerns me is lack of tactical mechanics. No grenades for smoke, decoys. No gadgets for survival. The perks are not interesting
Who drinks water in 2024? This game is a no. I hate the taste of micro plastics.
1 hour in and i refunded it. Setting great but, gameplay..... in my eyes it is not balanced correctly.
EDIT: your characters have no form of Armor to chose from which games like Tarkov have, the Cyborgs which are very common, are so fast that you can't out run them and if you get spotted by the Flying Recon Drones (also common by the way) their Machine Guns kill you in about 3 to 5 seconds if you aren't trying to move. I don't care if the lore is Scav can't get access to some sort of light armor and makeshift Augmentations, it is really bad balance
Game is horrid
@@sdgamer1860 I partially agree. However one hour is not justice. Escape from tarkov is that game but this is forever winter. Its designed to be unfair at times and by the way ive outrun the cyborgs and killed many. The enemies ive had the biggest problem with are average troops on the ground.
The floaty walking is bugging me.
water... plz water... fck water when offline...
Hefty 30$? That's a fair price for a game. What would you expect?
I'm convinced a lot of gamers are employed full-time at a local lemonade stand. As much as I hate to say it I oftentimes find myself doing what the Diablo team did at BlizzCon during the Diablo Immortal reveal, only instead of saying "Do you guys not have phones?" I'm saying to myself, "Do you guys not have jobs?" $30 is dirt cheap by today's standards and the standards of decades past.
3070 w/32gb ram on an SSD rgrfx set to med/high, and this game runs like butter.. I understand how it's running like shit on anything lower than a 30 series card, but it doesn't run THAT bad.
Might just be specific chipsets tbh, I've seen 3000 series people saying it chugs like crazy so it may be one of those things that hits specific setups iunno figured I'd bring it up just in passing because there's a lot of posts. I didn't experience it but ya know, if I don't bring it up people are mad, if I do people are mad. It's one of those things lol.
@@Splattercatgaming "I didn't experience it but ya know, if I don't bring it up people are mad, if I do people are mad." geez, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Escape from 40k
Super excited about the game, HOWEVER, it definitely feels like its a year from being where it should be on early release. The offline water system, AI movement and strength, movement, random enemy spawning w/o warning, so many little things that just add up. But at the same time, i can't wait for them to polish this game, because at its core its amazing!
Good vid. Gonna "follow" this on Steam until the game leaves early access.
If it still gets positive reviews, I'll "wishlist" & buy it.
"i think the ammo i bought was low quality"
well, the price WAS 0cr, so maybe
"You are a rat, a cockroach, both sides far out gun you." 5 minutes later, WHY CAN"T I RAMBO THIS WHOLE PLATOON! OMG AI SO BUSTED GIANT ROBOT SNIPERS ! SHOT ME. Jebus Splat, you're worse than normal this time.
The Forever Underdog ... Death Stranding in a landfill site 😮💨
I love how many people are missing the point of the game even after they openly make mention of it. You are a rat to the AI forces. You arent meant to get better equipment to go toe toe with them. At best you upgrade your gear to better be able to escape encounters you cant avoid. Not upgrades to go in there guns blazing like its Helldivers lol.
They get so frustrated over a mechanic that has been repeatedly explained by the developers with full transparency.
Been super interested in the game, but the water mechanic keeps me from buying. I don’t care how easy or hard it is to get water. It’s a dumb mechanic. If it’s hard to get water, then I have to play as a negative reinforcement experience. If it’s easy to get water, then why include it at all? Fomo is already a super heavy and annoying mechanic the game industry has capitalized on, I’m not gonna encourage this type of mechanic to take off.
the game seems nice, and altough i know this is early acces, i would not mind waiting for it for 6 more months and get a more fleshed up game.
Steam DB game population speaks for itself. I almost never buy early access games on day one. If its at half population the second day after release, NOT GOOD. Especially if its launch day peak population was never big to begin with.
From what I can gather, and take this with a grain of salt because I cannot confirm how much truth there is to this, but the community around the game wanted them to release the game into EA as it is while you where playing it. I agree that it should of been kept in the oven for a little bit longer, but from what I've heard the devs gave the people what they wanted. I HOPE the devs continue to work on the game because I was really excited for it I love the oppressive atmosphere, but there is still a lot to be tinkered with before I could actually recommend the game. Now I have a bit of a older graphics card and I absolutely cannot run it on anything above low settings or my computer will go super nova but I can play it with little stuttering.
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the fact you clearly wanted to give this game a glowing recommendation, and refused to because you simply couldn't. It displays a fantastic depth of character lacking in most game journalism. You could hear the frustration in your voice.
Keep on fighting the good fight Splat.
Dont like the water mechanic. Oh you ended up in the hospital or go on a vacation? Well f your progress. I don't want to HAVE to farm before I need to take a break for any reason. It sounds incredibly stupid. Just do what Tarkov does, you run out of fuel for your base? Your stuff don't work and you stop gaining the perks etc. Don't wipe the base out, it sounds crazy to me and like a complete chore.
Glad you showcased this..... I wish people understood this is an "Anti Shooter-shooter" ... it's an amazing concept, and fresh of breath air in the genre inundated with Tarkov clones .... which is just "sit in a tree/on top of a rock/hiding in a dark corner and wait for the new player that is loaded, to kill and steal their hard earned game playing for the last 30 mins" game .... not to mention the 250$ version of pve that feeds your pvp toon, making Tarkov a Pay to win game now .... Tarkov players have such a "Munchhausen Syndrome" aspect, it's amazing...
And yes, I expect many a hate comments.... ignorance is at an all time high these days ....
31:40 Wut? I literally did not understood what he mean there. lol
Edit: Okay, your base HAS A water level, not "is at water level". They basically added an anxiety inducing dark pattern mechanic that you'd expect from online / multiplayer games to keep you logging in. Highly toxic and abusive and a hard pass from me.
AK with a drum mag and suppressor carries hard. You get free ak ammo from the scav weapon vendor when his inventory resets. The expensive med kits let you "tank" normal soldiers.
The moment you picked up the first neurolink in the first box, I knew you were hosed. Picking up the second one sealed the deal. Those are one of the items that will call the hunter-killers. When you grabbed the second one it alerted you that you were being hunted.
Damn, I was so hyped for this game. I hope they'll go through with it and keep the updates coming because this could really become one of my favourite :)
Optimization and Early Access rarely go hand-in-hand.