I really enjoy your podcast, but something you guys seem to suggest many times is the time alignment is not really helpful. For example, Rob advised just treating 4 subs as 1 without distinct time alignment. Did I hear this correctly? Everyplace else says distinct time alignment is crucial.
I think Rob and Tom try and keep things simple, and if you have a rectangular room with dual subs in diagonal opposing corners, time-alignment will probably get you minor improvements but not something you should fuss over. With several subs in odd shaped rooms there can be more of an improvement, but in general their advice is K.I.S.S.
@garywalters, that is correct. It is because below the transition frequency, you are working with a minimum phase system. Therefore frequency response and time alignment are essential the same. And above transition frequency, time alignment is done by your auto setup. Among the drivers in an individual speaker, time alignment is done by the designer in the passive or active crossover design. Thankfully , as a user, you don’t need to do it!
@@StinkyCheeseMan95 , using delay to phase-align subwoofer response from multiple sources at your listening-seat can still be beneficial. MSO does the same thing, among other things. However for most people in rectangular, enclosed rooms it is not a major concern.
Picking what amounts to an arbitrary spot in your room (in the form of your chosen primary seat) and time aligning all of your subwoofers to that one spot (the way Audyssey MultEQ XT32 does if you tell it you have more than one subwoofer) does not necessarily result in ideal phase alignment. MSO can get you that subwoofer phase alignment. Or if you're running dual subs, you can do it via good ol' trial & error: avrant.com/a-12-step-guide-to-setting-up-dual-subwoofers/
They apparently have never listened critically to any good time aligned speakers in their life. But still wanted you to believe that they knew what they were talking about. I'm not buying what they are selling. What they are selling is that they know more than they do.
Seeing as our ears and rooms probably haven't changed much in 10 years, and they pretty much nailed it last time with regards to what we can somewhat comfortably claim to know about good speaker design, what would you have wanted?
Even if you bought a different brand speaker that is twice the amount you still only get a minor sound improvement if any. What improvement could you make?
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super helpful calibration advice, thanx guys! - mike
maybe they should of went with a mundorf amt tweeter instead?
Tom’s face at Rob’s quaint lol.
GOOD SHOW THANK YOU.
I really enjoy your podcast, but something you guys seem to suggest many times is the time alignment is not really helpful. For example, Rob advised just treating 4 subs as 1 without distinct time alignment. Did I hear this correctly? Everyplace else says distinct time alignment is crucial.
I think Rob and Tom try and keep things simple, and if you have a rectangular room with dual subs in diagonal opposing corners, time-alignment will probably get you minor improvements but not something you should fuss over.
With several subs in odd shaped rooms there can be more of an improvement, but in general their advice is K.I.S.S.
@garywalters, that is correct. It is because below the transition frequency, you are working with a minimum phase system. Therefore frequency response and time alignment are essential the same. And above transition frequency, time alignment is done by your auto setup. Among the drivers in an individual speaker, time alignment is done by the designer in the passive or active crossover design. Thankfully , as a user, you don’t need to do it!
@@StinkyCheeseMan95 , using delay to phase-align subwoofer response from multiple sources at your listening-seat can still be beneficial. MSO does the same thing, among other things. However for most people in rectangular, enclosed rooms it is not a major concern.
Picking what amounts to an arbitrary spot in your room (in the form of your chosen primary seat) and time aligning all of your subwoofers to that one spot (the way Audyssey MultEQ XT32 does if you tell it you have more than one subwoofer) does not necessarily result in ideal phase alignment.
MSO can get you that subwoofer phase alignment. Or if you're running dual subs, you can do it via good ol' trial & error: avrant.com/a-12-step-guide-to-setting-up-dual-subwoofers/
They apparently have never listened critically to any good time aligned speakers in their life. But still wanted you to believe that they knew what they were talking about. I'm not buying what they are selling. What they are selling is that they know more than they do.
10 years of development for only a minor sound fidelity increase ? 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
You were hoping that 10 years of development would lift a veil providing more fidelity?
Seeing as our ears and rooms probably haven't changed much in 10 years, and they pretty much nailed it last time with regards to what we can somewhat comfortably claim to know about good speaker design, what would you have wanted?
Even if you bought a different brand speaker that is twice the amount you still only get a minor sound improvement if any. What improvement could you make?