Review: Exciting Rodzinski Still Worth A Listen

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  • @martinhaub6828
    @martinhaub6828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Decades ago I had a neighbor who had retired and moved here from NYC. She attended the Philharmonic concerts from the 1930s through to the end of the Bernstein years. She kept every program nicely arranged in scrapbooks. I still remember the sparkle in her eye when she talked about Rodzinski; for her there was no one like him before or after. The most exciting concerts she ever heard were his. Even compared to the likes of Toscanini, Walter, Mitropoulos, Bernstein...it was Rodzinski she cherished the most. I'll add this set to the pile, but it's too bad I can't talk to Virginia about it.

    • @MrInterestingthings
      @MrInterestingthings 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing in that heralded era of Mitropoulos (my fave) ,Reiner (seriously to be treasured,Walter ,Boult ,Ormandy ,Toscanini 's huge pr and fame and popularity did Furtwangler ever come here someone adored Rodzinsky . I will be listening to him . I'm beginning to wonder how Koussevitsky learned so much he was taken seriously by composers too !

  • @OuterGalaxyLounge
    @OuterGalaxyLounge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've always liked Rodzinski's work. You never hear him talked about, so I appreciate this shout out.

  • @Metrofin1
    @Metrofin1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rodzinski recorded the complete Nutcracker with the Royal Philharmonic in1958.A cracking performance.

  • @charlescoleman5509
    @charlescoleman5509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just listened to Rodzinski’s Brahms 2. Those opening cellos in the 2nd movement really dig into it. Wow!

  • @thiinkerca
    @thiinkerca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks David. Considering his relationship with toscanini and the wonderful biography by his wife , intriguing to listen to his nypo period in more detail.

  • @81Taoiste
    @81Taoiste 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was listening Rodzinski's terrific rendition of the Offenbach ouverture (he does not let lollipops get sticky, that's for sure) when I saw the video pop up, quite conveniently enough. A great set overall, and a really enjoyable review. Does it mean there could be another box with all the recordings AR made in Cleveland, Chicago and the NBC orchestra, in the future ?

  • @richgaudi1111
    @richgaudi1111 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't have a well trained ear, but my record collecting friends used to take a pass on many of Rodzinski's shellacs. It's taken me a while to become accustomed to his conducting style.

  • @620film
    @620film 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this review! I just ordered a set. Can't wait to hear it! :)

  • @williamwhittle216
    @williamwhittle216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not sure if Dave mentioned this: for monophobes on EMI/Warner there's a 2-CD set of stereo recordings (1957-1958) with Rodzinski conducting the Royal Philharmonic and Philharmonia Orchestras. Composers include de Falla, Granados, Albeniz, Glinka, Mussorgsky ((no Pictures), Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, and Richard Strauss.

  • @AlexMadorsky
    @AlexMadorsky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am far more familiar with the Rodzinski legends than I am with Rodzinski’s actual work, but I am intrigued by this box (or more precisely, streaming portions of it when I am able to do so). I recently picked up a used LP of Rodzinski doing Shostakovich 5 with Cleveland and I was pleasantly surprised by the acoustics, interpretation, and quality of the orchestral musicianship. Time to keep on listening.

  • @robertkunath1854
    @robertkunath1854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating. I've got some of Rodzinski's NYPO recordings in Sony's NYPO 175th Anniversary box (especially that Sibelius 4), so I may pass on this. But should we be raking our tin cups on the bars to try to get Sony to release his earlier recordings on Columbia? (Especially those Cleveland Orchestra recordings? I think he doesn't get enough credit for laying the foundation on which Szell built).

  • @stevenmsinger
    @stevenmsinger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got this set when it first came out and pretty much agree with your assessment across the board. I especially like the Prokofiev Fifth symphony. I really like the quicker versions you get around this period from Szell, Ormandy, Koussevitzky, and Rodzinski. Even Previn (many years later) kept things pretty zippy. However, when you slow it down the way too many modern conductors do, it feels leaden and stiff. It has to flow.

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate to be greedy but can we now please have the Columbia Cleveland/Rodzinski recordings?

  • @ralphbruce1174
    @ralphbruce1174 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This conductor who prepared the NBC symphony orchestra for Toscanini is a classic for eternity.

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pierre Monteux did as well and they split the first six NBC concerts.

  • @russelllow2854
    @russelllow2854 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great overview, as always, David! I’d like to mention that, for those who prefer downloads, there are hi-res (96/24) versions of these recordings available at Qobuz and Presto. I’ve got many of them, and they sound great. (Now some may argue, perhaps justifiably, that hi-res is overkill for these old mono recordings, but they do sound great, and they are (presumably) the (re)mastered original recordings.) The only downside to getting the downloads over the physical CDs is that there are no booklets or liner notes provided. Now if Sony would get to Rodzinski’s Cleveland recordings…..

  • @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY
    @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm wondering: Is the tenor in Lohengrin the same as in the Walkure? He sounds different and according to the 78s set cover in the booklet he must be Kurt Baum.

    • @HugeOB
      @HugeOB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The tenor in Die Walküre is Emery Darcy

    • @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY
      @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HugeOBYes, I know. But, who's the tenor in the Lohengrin excerpts?

    • @HugeOB
      @HugeOB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY According to the booklet the tenor in De Walküre (Siegmund) and Lohengrin is the same : Emery Darcy.

    • @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY
      @ACLazaris-HISTOPATHOLOGY 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HugeOB Τhat's right, Hugo. To my ears, he just sounds different in Lohengrin; perhaps I'm wrong and the booklet is right.

  • @daviddavenport9350
    @daviddavenport9350 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am wondering if the limitations of the 78 rpm discs had something to do with likkety split tempi you sometimes found in these period recordings. I remember hearing a Rhapsody in Blue with Gershwin at the piano, and it was really too fast a lot of the time....and I was guessing they had to fit it on 78 rpm discs....

    • @pianomaly9
      @pianomaly9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm primarily a piano nut and this is a frequent occurence on many 78 rpm discs. They always had the limitation of the 4 1/2 minute breathing down their necks.

  • @1Verwoert
    @1Verwoert 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like your reviews! what about Shuberts Death and the Maiden best performance? i like that piece so much

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks you, but we're talking about Rodzinski. I love the Schubert too.

    • @1Verwoert
      @1Verwoert 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavesClassicalGuide that is right haha , i was just asking since you do great reviews on best performances , you are right nothing to do with this videos

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sony's booklet is in error on the Wagner disc. While Darcy sings the Siegmund, Kurt Baum is the Lohengrin. The booklet 78rpm cover photo shows Baum; I had the 78s and it is Baum. Not much better than Darcy, I'm afraid. Later Traubel recorded the Tristan duet for Columbia, under Busch. There she had Torsten Ralf who was an actual Met Lohengrin and a good one.

  • @craigdorschel5434
    @craigdorschel5434 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bought this for the Sibelius 4 (see my comment on that video) but really enjoyed the whole box.

  • @JPFalcononor
    @JPFalcononor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess because it is classified as an “import”, it is quite a bit more expensive per disc than the Ormandy set. I still went and purchased it at a discounted price which alleviated the cost difference a bit….

  • @apointofinterest8574
    @apointofinterest8574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did Rodzinski ever make any recordings during his short tenure leading the Chicago Symphony? And if so, how do they compare with these NYP recordings?

    • @johnfowler7660
      @johnfowler7660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. Look up "Rodzinski Pristine Classics" on Google. Everything fits on a 2 CD set. Mail-order or downloads only.

    • @JPFalcononor
      @JPFalcononor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnfowler7660 Yes, Pristine is an excellent repository for such things. I have the Ormandy/RCA discs from the site to supplement the Columbia set.

  • @ethanwarren9006
    @ethanwarren9006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know this is off topic but what do you think of Riccardo Muti's discography?

    • @jokinboken
      @jokinboken 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Search David's page for Muti and you'll get at least three episodes solely about Muti, and others where Muti is mentioned among others.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you for that answer--and the big Muti box is coming.

  • @HassoBenSoba
    @HassoBenSoba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm confused (no surprise). Did the NY Phil really NOT OWN a Tam-tam at this time? Did Toscanini pack it up and haul it away when he left? Or is it just inaudible (as with so many older recordings?). Just curious.
    About 15 years ago, Maazel brought the NY Phil to Chicago for a Mahler 5th (not nearly as fabulous as his Vienna recording from the 80's) and I asked one of the percussionists if I could check out their Tam-tam; he led me onstage and there it was: the SAME INSTRUMENT that was used since (at least) the 50's...the same one we hear in Walter and Bernstein's classic Mahler recordings, etc. It was surprisingly SMALL and unimposing (and was pretty much the same make and model as the CSO's with Reiner, which was used through much of the Solti era). But it could certainly put out the sound when necessary in those big tuttis, as well as ring through the texture clearly in the softer stuff.
    SO what does Rodzinski do near the end of the Pathetique? ...or does he go with the "Tam-tam ad libitum" option as listed in the nomenclature?

  • @pianomaly9
    @pianomaly9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yea on the fine Rachmaninov 2. Have PC 2 also, didn't like it, will have to re-listen per your recommendation.