I like the eMTB on midwest trails even though I'm not grunting up long climbs as it gives the sprint out of all the sharp corners and punchy climbs to keep a higher average speed up that makes you feel like you're on one of those longer descents in the mountains (when you're really not). Plus it's just fun! So just how much quicker is it? The answer might surprise you, Let me know your thoughts!
It would be nice to do the same type of comparison in more hilly, mountainous terrain to see how much that extra power helps. By the way, I miss your CO reports!!! Cheers from Golden, CO.
That is the real joy for me. Systems where I might do 2 laps of the system, I’m now more likely to do 4 laps. It’s not just twice the fun, more like 3x as each lap is also more enjoyable.
I love my Rise. I ride in trail mode with my friends, but when I am alone on my flow trail, I love Boost. You are so right about the assist, it is really a benefit out of corners. It allows me to slow down more coming into them, then boost out. I think eMTB's could create a new competition category for technical climbs. The things these can climb are unreal.
Yes I did! Range really depends on the terrain and the tune. For instance I ride with default settings in profile 2 where eco is 33NM, trail is 47NM and boost is 60NM and it has a slightly more aggressive take up from lower cadence. In the midwest where there is not a huge elevation change but lots of tight slow twisty trails, you're really consuming power more for getting back up to speed so it is lots of shorter power sections against a lower base versus say a constant climb in somewhere mountainous. In Trail, it starts with with an estimated range of 57 miles but that will usually drop to an actual range of around 36-41 miles depending on terrain. Somewhere hillier with more sustained climbs and longer flowing downhills, my range increases as I believe the bike to be more efficient with a constant climb vs the boosting in twisty trails. In eco only I would expect a range of 60+ miles based on terrain (it starts off with an estimated range of 109 miles) but that drops. In my experience the actual range you use is around 65-75% of the initial estimate. Also if you ride somewhere sandy or soft you'll get much less range than somewhere hardpacked; perhaps in the order of 20-30% less.
@@Roaming50 Thanks, that is very helpful info. I'm looking at a Rise H15 on sale for a hard to pass price. One more question, if you don't mind. How does it pedal with NO power? I have a Specialized Vado SL and it has almost no perceptible drag when you pedal in the no assist mode. Have you tried riding the Rise with no assist?
@@dangray987 I have ridden the Rise without assist. It's very doable but it is not like riding a regular bike. It's like riding a 46lb bike! On the downs you would not notice it. On the flats, I do believe there is some drag so generally I would not recommend it. On the climbs you feel the weight. Just know that if you run out of juice, then you can still get home but you'll definitely notice it, especially after having assist. It feels like the brakes are constantly on. If you need to go the endurance and want to save the assist for only when you really need it, then I would recommend going to profile 1 (default 22NM, 35NM and 47NM), and reprogramming the settings so that eco is lower, say 10-15%. That would make the bike feel like a normal bike and probably give you a true 100+ mile range. That 10-15% takes off the weight of the bike and any drag. Everything above that is assist over the regular.
I like the eMTB on midwest trails even though I'm not grunting up long climbs as it gives the sprint out of all the sharp corners and punchy climbs to keep a higher average speed up that makes you feel like you're on one of those longer descents in the mountains (when you're really not). Plus it's just fun! So just how much quicker is it? The answer might surprise you, Let me know your thoughts!
It would be nice to do the same type of comparison in more hilly, mountainous terrain to see how much that extra power helps. By the way, I miss your CO reports!!! Cheers from Golden, CO.
@@trentmiller7321 hopefully I’ll get back to Colorado next year. Right now, I’m checking out Knoxville, TN.
Don’t forget - you did four laps! 4x the enjoyment.
It’s not just faster, it’s more of what what makes MTB so great!
That is the real joy for me. Systems where I might do 2 laps of the system, I’m now more likely to do 4 laps. It’s not just twice the fun, more like 3x as each lap is also more enjoyable.
I love my Rise. I ride in trail mode with my friends, but when I am alone on my flow trail, I love Boost. You are so right about the assist, it is really a benefit out of corners. It allows me to slow down more coming into them, then boost out. I think eMTB's could create a new competition category for technical climbs. The things these can climb are unreal.
Technical climbs are as much fun as the descent now!
Did you do all three laps on a single battery charge? What's the max range you have gotten on the Rise battery? THX.
Yes I did! Range really depends on the terrain and the tune. For instance I ride with default settings in profile 2 where eco is 33NM, trail is 47NM and boost is 60NM and it has a slightly more aggressive take up from lower cadence. In the midwest where there is not a huge elevation change but lots of tight slow twisty trails, you're really consuming power more for getting back up to speed so it is lots of shorter power sections against a lower base versus say a constant climb in somewhere mountainous. In Trail, it starts with with an estimated range of 57 miles but that will usually drop to an actual range of around 36-41 miles depending on terrain. Somewhere hillier with more sustained climbs and longer flowing downhills, my range increases as I believe the bike to be more efficient with a constant climb vs the boosting in twisty trails. In eco only I would expect a range of 60+ miles based on terrain (it starts off with an estimated range of 109 miles) but that drops. In my experience the actual range you use is around 65-75% of the initial estimate. Also if you ride somewhere sandy or soft you'll get much less range than somewhere hardpacked; perhaps in the order of 20-30% less.
@@Roaming50 Thanks, that is very helpful info. I'm looking at a Rise H15 on sale for a hard to pass price. One more question, if you don't mind. How does it pedal with NO power? I have a Specialized Vado SL and it has almost no perceptible drag when you pedal in the no assist mode. Have you tried riding the Rise with no assist?
@@dangray987 I have ridden the Rise without assist. It's very doable but it is not like riding a regular bike. It's like riding a 46lb bike! On the downs you would not notice it. On the flats, I do believe there is some drag so generally I would not recommend it. On the climbs you feel the weight. Just know that if you run out of juice, then you can still get home but you'll definitely notice it, especially after having assist. It feels like the brakes are constantly on. If you need to go the endurance and want to save the assist for only when you really need it, then I would recommend going to profile 1 (default 22NM, 35NM and 47NM), and reprogramming the settings so that eco is lower, say 10-15%. That would make the bike feel like a normal bike and probably give you a true 100+ mile range. That 10-15% takes off the weight of the bike and any drag. Everything above that is assist over the regular.
@@Roaming50 Thank you, again a very helpful reply.
I would not want to ride a E mtb to much weight and to much travel for my taste
True, they’re heavier but the new breed of mid power eMTB are getting a lot better in the weight.