Passport to: the Otay Mountain. Rear Diff. locked & LSD AWD vs. Steep-loose-rutted-rocky-offshoot
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9-10-2020: It's been a month since I released a TH-cam video, so sorry! I've been busy with work, and vehicle projects!
This video has been a long time in the making, I finally got the chance to trail with a 3 year overlanding friend, Marc from the TH-cam channel @the.rooted. progress ! We both use to drive SJ Forester XTs, both had our CVTs die on us and we both had different ideas for our replacement "Adventure Mobiles".
**Please keep that in mind when you watch this video. These are our adventure mobiles, aka destination overlanders. Although we're trying to tackle rougher than usual terrain, we did not purchase our vehicles to primarily "WHEEL". Case in point, I have 56K miles on my 2019 Passport and it has been only 22 months since I've owned it. living in So Cal, USA, I have to travel great distances to get away from civilization and onroad handling, comfort and efficiency is very important to me. With that said... if you want an offroad vehicle, please note that these vehicles probably aren't the best choice. Purchase a vehicle according to what you need it to do! That's the best advice I can give**
TRAIL INFO:
OTAY MOUNTAIN TRUCK TRAIL
This trail ranges from extremely easy to extremely difficult. This trail is located just north of the border of California and Mexico. Know where you are going, because there are some sections that will be a "POINT OF NO RETURN" for many AWD vehicles.
MY VEHICLE DETAILS:
2019 Honda Passport EX-L AWD
@jondz_adventuring
4250 lbs.
3.5L V6 280hp / 262tq
9 speed automatic transmission
1 speed transfer case 20:1 crawl ratio (18.7:1 because of taller tires)
iVTM4 AWD system - traction control + mechanical electronically controlled rear LSD with reduction gears that allows for yaw control.
2 inch Traxda lift kit
2.5 inch taller All-terrain tires - Falken Wildpeak AT3W 255/70R18
(modification to the wheel well is required to fit these tires)
disconnected rear sway bar (only when off-road, they reconnect when back on the highway).
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Great video Jon! Glad I dropped first cuz your video is killer! Such a wealth of information and good videos on providing more background behind the lockers, awd vs 4wd etc. Wheeling is just part of the adventure with overlanding so it's good to always hit a trail to learn and figure out your vehicles capabilities in case your ever out in the middle of no where and just have to send it. Glad the bolt was a broken subframe spacers bolt. Definitely could have been worse, friends makes it better, more fun and safer! Thanks for this video and opportunity to make a video together. Tons of fun and more adventures to come. As long as the stars in our schedules are all aligned... It's happening ☺️ f*ck 2020 for sure! See ya in 2022 Jon!
You’re a life saver Marc!!! On the frontlines of healthcare as well as DIRT!!!! I’m so glad we completed this collaboration. Not only did we meet up for a trail. HOLY SH!T It’s pretty apparent that this was by no means, an easy trail. Compared to Funnel Lake (4WD moderate/Difficult), Laurel lakes (4WD moderate), this trail was much much more difficult. My wheels only slipped once going through the rock gardens to Funnel lake and Here at Otay I’m spinning wheels almost the entire way up 🤣🤣🤣. Good 💩 Brother! I look forward to future collabs!!!
The line picking skills you get from driving with a car without lockers, limited amount of flex and ground clearance - that is a skill set us "propper 4x4" drivers get lazy about. Keep developing those skills, it will help you even when you upgrade the car.
Absolutely true!👍
I drive a 1982 Subaru Brat with a 4 speed manual and a selectable 4WD with a low range. Not much articulation or power but its fun.
Now that is one rig I wish Suburu would bring back!
Dropping information bombs as usual. Love it. I was in total fear of those LCA at 19:00.
Thanks for the shoutout at the end. We ended up with 2 broken Toyotas that day. Trying to get video up before X-mas.
As horrible as 2020 was, still made many great memories. Merry Christmas to you & the fam. & Meowy.
That’s right Alan! Such a great memory heading to Death Valley in Feb! Monache in May and all our other adventures! 2020 was the year of Borderline Brotherly Bonding! The Wife likes y’all too!
We put a Lock-Rite locker ( Detroit style ) in the rear solid axle ( it also had a 2" OME lift&shocks, 31" tires, full underside armor, sliders ) in our '06 Liberty CRD and it made an amazing difference. Much of the time, we found that with the torque of the diesel, the Libby was just suddenly able to climb almost everything without even bothering with 4WD. You didn't even really know it was there most of the time other than the noise when turning, the Libby just suddenly had 2x the traction all the time.
Lockers can put an extra strain on the rest of the drivetrain, though. We were advised not to put one on the front ( it's part time 4WD, so you wouldn't feel it with the front axle unpowered ) due to the aluminum diff case. The rear axle on the Libby was solid, a Chrysler8 8.25, a diff figured to be roughly as tough as a D44.
For various other reasons, we've sold that Liberty and are now driving a JKUR after a short detour through a ZR2.
It's nice to see someone making lockers for Subies.
Keep up the good dirt work!
Thanks for sharing! I wondered about the extra stress on the drive train. I watch this TH-cam channel called “dirtnation offroad” and and the main guy drives a 3rd Gen Tacoma offroad. He put in an aftermarket front locker and if I remember correctly, he grenaded his front diff.
What matters is that you guys are going out there and having fun.
Great video Jon! Always learning something from you. Glad you guys were able to find the bolt and successfully make a trail repair and avoid damaging your vehicle. Awesome to have good friends help.
Yeah! We really lucked out with that. Good job by the @the.rooted.progress for catching it!
Very awesome video, I noticed at 16 mins into video the wheel looked wobbly trying to get up the hill.cant wait to get my g2 lifted Ridgeline with wildpeak at3w out in stuff like this.
Yeah, I noticed the same. At that point that bolt was probably really loose! Actually, I remember hearing a knocking noise on the 125 mile drive on the freeway to get to the area with the trail. Might have been loose well before.
Great video as always!!! I can not wait to watch the next one.
Ty 🙏
Thanks for your video.
You’re very welcome! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Yep you called out the Cherokee Trailhawk ;-) . It's just different. It's the halfway point between a Subaru and a Wrangler.
The Trailhawk, especially with the 2 inch lift that I have , has WAY more capability than I have guts to use I think. I've done a turn around on a shelf road before , backing up the hill to gain room to turn around. Locked , low , rock mode... I was blown away. With NO issue , it backed right up the hill , probably 40 degrees or better climb in reverse, and let me turn around and I got right outta there. It was a nerve-wracking moment. I was nervous but my Jeep was not nervous at all. Absolutely incredible stuff.
Go check out Sean Watson from Colorado Mall Crawlers. He’s done some gnarly stuff 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'm not doing that rock v notch lol. I saw that one. He might be the best Cherokee Trailhawk driver in the world lol.
Love that color when cleaned up.
Thanks! Satin black or rugged marsh green? Or both?
Great vid Jon! Definitely get much insight watching your videos. I have a 07 RDX that I just put a lift on and soon ( very soon ) will have capable tires. I plan on hitting some trails out here in SoCal in the close future and who knows we may even cross paths! I'm new to this and your videos help to understand the limits on a decent awd. Keep up the vids!
-Your sub!
Nice! Join up on www.crossoverlanding.com , people will post up there trips. I like to join in on other people’s trips.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Will do thanks!
Awesome vid bud!
Thanks Bud!!! And HAPPY BELATED BDAY!!!
Good video. I watch your stuff all the time and I am impressed how we'll that Passport does. You also know when to quit. When your rig is outmatched for the trail.
I went from ann95 Pilot (the thing was a dang tank) to our new 2020 4 runner (TRD offroad). Huge difference (I have always had a 4x4 truck I went wheeling with, but nothing like this 4 runner).
I see quite a few crossovers and Subarus on some of the easier trails. I love seeing them enjoying the trails.
Happy trails and see you out there.
Thanks Stout! Safety is very important for me out on the trails. I don’t like to take too much risk, and this was one of the two times I’ve “sent it” pretty violently. The 4runner is a good truck! I actually use to drive a 08 FJ cruiser 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring The FJ. Yes. So much cool factor.
Well spoken Jon, F 2020. and Bring on 21.
👍👍👍
With a manual transmission and low range that Subaru really be something ! No more transmission over heating .
I love the noise the torq locker makes. It reminds me of the smoke monster from LOST.
LOL 😂
Awsome video.
Thanks Nick! Where’ve you been? I was out in Mammoth last weekend.
I know I wanted to go but I am finishing a remodel on our trailer. I am almost done and ready to go (well almost done). I am wanting to do some mammoth camping for sure.
This time you really punished the Honda, minutes before that bolt falls off I noticed the wheel shaking unusually and knew something was wrong with the wheel.
The body of Honda passport looks a bit big to the power of the engine giving it a little had time tackling such turf trails, that's my observation though. Over all your video is superb👌
Yes, I noticed that too. I’m not sure how that bolt got loose. I marked all of them and do an inspection every oil change. I frequently monitor the bolt that came loose. It’s hasn’t moved. It was either loose from the factory or someone accidentally loosened it when servicing my vehicle.
Subaru needs to bring back the automatic transmission.
I agree! Did you know the Subaru BRZ has the Toyota sourced Aisin 6 speed auto transmission? I wonder if anyone bothered to try to get it into other Subarus.
Wow, y’all were really pushing those cars to the limit. Very impressive! Since you value suspension travel so much, check out my most recent video where I test the new long travel 2” Ironman suspension on my 19’ forester. Instead is a spacer lift, the shocks and springs are longer so you get the 2” lift AND more travel! I tested the suspension and got a ramp travel index (RTI) of 525. That’s super good for fully independent suspension.
My buddy installed the Ironman ATS kit on his crosstrek and lost travel. Did you disconnected your sway bars? Is that how you’ll regain flex?
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Wow, that’s a crazy hill climb! Yeah, you’ve got to disconnect both sway bars. It’s pretty easy to do with the slightly stiffer springs and better shocks (as long as you don’t have a RTT). I have completely removed and discarded both of my sway bars. It rides like a Cadillac on the road, and flexes like a keep off road. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/yP9GRzZ-1Oc/w-d-xo.html
@@MatthewHeiskell nice!!! I’ll have to tell my friend @get_trekkin
joh - another cool video. im glad you are ok man.
Thank you Tito! The bolt coming off was a freak occurrence. I haven’t had this issue again, but I’m prepared in case it does.
Damn that OB desperately needs lower gears! LOL
Hey! Just as desperately as I need a REAL rear locker 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring If you would looking for the car with rear locker what it would be? Used Lexus GX or something else ?
@@AnatoliyStrilets a Lexus GX doesn’t have a rear locker. A Lexus GX has a full time 4wd system (basically AWD) with a CDL (center differential lock). It’s a mechanical lock that’s equivalent to putting a part-time 4 wheel drive vehicle into 4H/4L. There aren’t that many vehicles that come from the factory with a rear locker. Here in the USA, here’s a short list:
Tacoma TRD offroad/pro
4runner TRD offroad/pro
Wrangler Rubicon
Gladiator Rubicon
Raptor
Power Wagon
Colorado/Canyon ZR2
G Wagon
Defender
I think that’s about it, I probably forgot a few, haha
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for detailed answer, very educational!
I recently got the rare dual-range AWD gearbox installed on my Subaru XV Crosstrek. Based on some misinformed opinions, I now have a 4WD vehicle. (I am aware that JonDZ probably knows this notion is incorrect, but I'd like to outline the specific differences here.)
That notion that anything with a low-range reduction on a gearbox makes it 4WD is incorrect, as an AWD and 4WD are differentiated by the way they distribute power front-to-rear. A 4WD always distrubutes power to front and rear axles when 4WD is engaged and is not designed to have 4WD used in high-traction situations. A 4WD does NOT allow a speed difference between the front and rear axles, which is why it should only be engaged in low-traction situations to allow sufficient tire slip to prevent unnecessary driveline damage and wear/tear.
An AWD vehicle, depending upon setup, will have a viscous coupler, clutch-pack, or other device that allows operation of AWD in high-traction situations that would not be permissible in a 4WD. "Full-time 4WD" is a glorified AWD system, usually with an available locking center clutch-pack/differential.
Unfortunately, even with my newfound low-range gearing, my Subaru dual-range AWD gearbox has a mild 1.447:1 reduction ratio, combining for a relatively-mild crawl ratio of approximately 22:1, which is marginally-better than the crawl ratio of vehicles equipped with the ZF 9HP automatic transaxle. I don't have the advantage of torque-multiplication which torque-converter automatics have, but it is better than my XV's 5MT standard 15:1 crawl ratio.
Awesome comment @AWDfreak!!! The word "Lock" or "Locker" is getting used really loosely nowadays. In any AWD vehicle that has a so called "center lock" is not really a lock, and a lot of people are confused by that! Just read some of the comments for this video, haha! To add to your comment, even TH-cam Channels like TFL and SUV Battle are mis-using the word. For example, my Passport has a twin "clutch" rear differential which is technically a high biased mechanical limited slip differential, this is the same thing that's put into the Bronco Sport and the BMW Msport X6, but check out these videos below, they call these things "REAR LOCKERS". Clutch packs are NOT a locker, and you can see the rear wheels spinning at different rates. Same thing applies to AWD with a so called "center lock".
SUV BATTLE
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TFL BRONCO SPORT
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yup, the manufacturers label them with "LOCK" on the buttons, but the majority of such differentials really are just strong electronically-controlled clutch-type LSD's.
Modern manufacturer mislabeling gets even more confusing when some vehicles like the Jeep Renegade Trailhawk and Jeep Compass Trailhawk have "4WD Lock" buttons that turn the AWD system into an active one from its default passive setup, and even have a "4WD Low" button that actually places the ZF 9HP into 1st gear rather than using a real dual-range reduction.
@@AWDfreak scroll down and find the comment thread of the guy talking about the older Honda VTM4 "Lock". It's pretty hilarious.
Just started rocking a 98 Rav4 with a center diff locker. Haven't had the chance to test out the locker just yet, only a few light trails so far. Wonder how it compares to what you show here. Excited to give it a go. Very informative video! Just subscribed. Thanks and Happy New Year!
Nice! Is it a mechanical lock or a clutch plate tightening lock?
For a work in progress it look great!👍
Can you do some comparisons with rd1 first gen crv? Love the videos!
I know a couple RD1s! Check out my videos titled “41 rigs in Calico”, two RD1s make an appearance. Hopefully I can do a special on them one day. If you have Instagram, follow @CRV_Nacho. He said there’s still more and more mods being made for them, including a true center diff lock mod? That’s insane! Maybe if I wait 20 years my Passport will have an aftermarket 4:1 low gear transfer case and triple lockers! Haha!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring will do! Ours is all stock with slightly bigger tires and handles well for what it is. Keep up the good work!
wow, you got lucky with that UCA bolt.
I sure did!!! If I have any other misfortune, I have all the bolts for both front and rear suspension. I spent $70 on spare bolts, nuts and bushings. My miles are getting up (56K) there and I’m thinking of storing spare axles. No signs of failure, but with the lift and 32.1” tires, I’m really unsure how much longer they’ll last. I think left and right are unique though. Would be annoying to take 4 spare axles with me.
After that incident I hope you checked all the suspension bolts to make sure they were tight. Especially anything that may have been removed when your lift was installed. I'm willing to bet the bolt that fell out was not properly torqued.
Yes, it was mentioned at the end of the video that I marked all my bolts. Also mentioned was that I purchased spares for all the bolts ($70 worth). The plan was to replace the bolt that came loose, but after applying blue loc-tite it hasn’t moved in 13K miles.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I don't recall hearing in the video that you marked bolts. I would rather check that they are all tight than mark them. That bolt came loose because it was not tight to begin with.
@@map7463 you should do both.
@@map7463 I rewatched my video and I did not verbally mentioned my bolts were marked but around the 25:26 mark you can see them marked with a yellow grease marker.
That helicopter in the video looked like a CBP Air and Marine unit. It's hard to tell from the shot, but those choppers have a diagonal blue strip on the tail. They were just looking you over to make sure you weren't suspicious, otherwise the Border Patrol would of been the next thing you would of seen.
Let me know next time you’re back in town. I’ll drive this time. Lol
The wife and I will be back on Dec. 30th to see her aunt dentist
@@JonDZ_Adventuring aww, I’m working again and won’t be available until evening.
@@simplistek 🥺
son of a biscuit! i will be babying my 8"...
Haha! Just become a SaS-er! And regear!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yea... regear maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe, SAS no ty.
Jon, I noticed you have switched from Cooper AT3 tires to Falkens. Those are the two tires I'm considering for my 4runner. any input as to what you like and dislike about these tires? Keep up the good videos!
Good question! One day I’ll do a video about it.
Cooper AT3 4S was an amazing on-road light trail tire. I noticed the shoulders are more squared off, and that probably attributed to turning ability and highway driving confidence. MPG’s we’re definitely better. My coopers were even 10mm wider, but still got about 1-2 mpg better.
Falken wildpeaks are undoubtedly, a better offroad tire. The shoulders are more rounded, but they have an aggressive shoulder that will help with offroad traction. The tread blocks are also designed more claw-like. On-road just wasnt as good the Coopers. I felt that these tires were noticeably better in snow and ice,
which is saying a lot, because the coopers are known to be a great snow tire!
Now, one thing you have to choose is if you’ll go with the P-rated or LT version. I always go with the P-rated version. To get the LT perspective, you’ll have to ask someone else. I’m not sure if the LT version of the coopers is more comparable to the wildpeaks. Good luck on your decision.
Falken wild peak
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you for the excellent response. I'm currently running the old reliable bfg ko2's, however their wet traction is currently borderline unaceptable so I'm looking to upgrade to something that will be better for my 90% on road driving. I'm also looking for something with good snow abilities so it looks like I'm leaning more towards the Falkens in P rated this time for more comfort. Thanks again!
@@Letzrace82 if you’re coming from KO2’s then I think the Falkens will be your choice. Everyone speaks so highly of wildpeak AT3W wet traction.
Any idea why the bolt came out? Was it loosened for installing a lift?
Also love seeing all the dents in the mufflers!
I don’t know, it’s a mystery. Could have been loosened by a Tech, could have came loose from the factory. Blue loctite and that same Bolt hasn’t moved in 13k miles. The passport has been taking the same abuse.
Great motivating adventure videos! Are the Passport and Pilot similar in abilities /drivetrain / AWD etc?
Thanks! Yes, exactly the same actually!
The helicopter might have been the one from Las Vegas that let you shoot a machine gun from a helicopter. :)
Someone commented that 2012 Doomsday may have been misinterpreted for 2021. Shoot! We might need that helicopter Gun ship soon enough!
Would huge diameter carbon ceramic ventilated disc brakes help?
I have always wondered if maximizing the brake disc diameter within a given wheel rim diameter would be a game changer.
You bring up a good question Dreamy! I too think that improving brakes would probably make traction control more effective! A-trac in Toyota trucks have a very robust 4 piston brake design. The Hondas, and Subaru’s only have 2 piston brakes. Mitsubishi crossovers have 1 piston.
What if we misinterpreted Maya calendar 2012 instead it is 2021 :D Just a thought!
Maybe.... mutated Rona virus 🦠 from the UK. 70% more contagious.... yay!
Nice job!. Love the color of the rig. How much did it cost
Thank you! You’re the VW Tiguan guy right? 🙌 so, the 3M 2080 Satin black vinyl cost me $300 for 35’ x 5’. The Avery Dennison Rugged Marsh Green vinyl wrap was $600 for 41’ x 5’.
I use a scangauge to monitor my transmission temp on my '18 forester CVT, it went up to 220F on a trial but i'm installing a Hayden oil cooler.
Bro! I can't believe you are doing this with Honda Passport 😳. Do they have aftermarket lockers you can put on?
Ha! Thanks! And the guys from borderline explorer wanted to take me on 2N17X 😱. Gate keeper seems twice as steep as this offshoot. I’m so glad I was out snowboarding instead 😃. There’s no locker that I know of. The only hope is transferring a locker from a Jeep Cherokee trailhawk. Hopefully someone figure something out!
I have the same Outback, but with a Manual and 2.5... manuals make the best Subaru's. Too bad they never offered the manual with the 3.0 H6. That would be a good a it gets for that generation Subi. Would have to be the STI 6 speed, the 5 speed would not live long with the H6 torque.
Subaru actually did offer the H6 engine with a manual transmission... In Australia!
@@AWDfreak we did have the Legacy Spec B, so I guess if we want to play that game we had it too.
You need a winch on that Subaru
I think all adventure mobiles could use a winch. That’s on the to do list for me as well.
Why didn’t you just buy a 4RUNNER?
😂 😆 😝
People always asking you the same question
the.... same... LOADED... question! Hahahahaha? I wish I could make an automated message that just links my "Why I bought a Honda Passport and why you should or shouldn't" video.
Do you do all this in sand mode? I think it's the best when it comes to off-roading.
Yep, on a trail like this, I ain’t gonna mess around. This offshoot would be between 4WD moderate and difficult and impossible for most crossovers.
Wasn't that an 80 series cruiser, not a 100?
Dang... I was hoping no one would notice 🤣. Good catch!
Thanks! The Honda looks awesome with the new wrap
No way in hell you can compare a 4x4 with a AWD, most 4x4 are fully equipped to do off-road almost in any weather/terrain/situation, it also depends on the drivers experience/knowledge/confidence of skills.
Also having a 4x4/AWD vehicle does not make anyone an experience off-road/all terrain driver.
I have over 20 years of 4x4 -off-road driving and yet theirs always a new something to learn.
This is an old video, so I don’t exactly remember what I said in this video, but knowing myself, there’s no way I’d say my AWD compares to a 4WD. By the way 4x4 means four wheels and four wheels driven. Just like on spec sheets, a car will be described as having a 4x2 drive train.
I do remember saying that my Jeep friend taught me how to left foot brake. Old school technique that many people don’t know about.
I really like the ivtm4/shawd, but they missed opportunity by not having at least center clutch close selector or even keep rear locker like vtm4 had just close both rear clutches for limited speed and be done :), I was hopping Passport will have some extra stuff over Pilot
Make no mistake, iVTM4 is an improvement vs VTM4 in every way. It’s faster acting and is much more effective at lower RPMs. 1st and 2nd Gen Pilot have an 11.6:1 crawl ratio. 2016+ Pilots with the ZF9 speed have a 20.4:1 crawl ratio. That’s almost twice as better gearing! That’s a tremendous advantage and at the higher spectrum of single speed transfer case vehicles.
Another disadvantage of VTM4 equipped vehicles is that You cant air down the tires and turn off traction control (VSA). By the way, I hope you aren’t taking this all the wrong way, but I love talking about this stuff and I thank you for giving me the opportunity to educate. “VTM4 lock” is not a real locker. With AWDs and anything using clutch packs can’t physically lock. It’s only applied pressure that will break under enough stress. The only “real lock” is an actual mechanical lock. VTM4 lock is the equivalent of engaging sand mode. It simulates a high biased LSD on the rear diff left and right and does nothing to mimic a lock the center diff. I hope you find this information useful! Have a good one ☺️
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I mentioned closing clutches for reason, in my little opinion it's still handy to pre close them when you see trouble so you don't wait for slip and can use expected momentum, yes the clutch limitations were easy to see in some other videos where Pilot would through message about overheating, i wonder how often you had that happening ... and thanks for educating, it always helps
@@tallll70 no worries, I’m all about helping people understand how things work. I’m by no means a professional or expert, but I’ll share what I know, ... and there’s a lot to know.
So, back in the day, the only “full time AWD system was in a Subaru”. While everything is open diff, power is sent thorough all differentials, all the time. The iVTM4 system, is also a Full time AWD system, but power isn’t sent to all differentials all the time. It is considered to react so fast, that it doesn’t matter, it’s a bonafide AWD system. If you’re familiar with the better AWD systems, then you may have heard of the Mitsubishi Evolution 10. Even by today’s standards, that vehicles is bad ass mofo! Unlike a Subaru, it achieves full time awd status because it reacts fast enough to where it makes no difference. Actually, it ran circles around its competition the STI. The Evo 10 has two Twin clutch LSD’s, one in the front and one in the back. iVTM4 only has this type of differential in the rear. So, this brings us back to using the two foot technique and overheated AWD systems. THIS IS EXACTLY 😃 why I use the “ two foot technique”, To avoid overheating the differentials! Spinning tires and helplessly waiting for an AWD system to “react” shows inexperience and will stress out an AWD system. I personally got an AWD temp warning 3 times. Each of those times I let TH-cam know. It no longer happens, I learned how to drive my Passport (with the help from a 4WD Jeep friend). Some vehicles give us temp warnings and some vehicles don’t even have the sensors to do so. In an older Subaru the diffs will cook until they weld together.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I only know of Crosstrek which has oil clutch in center which again can not be closed plus the problematic cvt, but Subaru is using few center connections, i believe non of them can be closed unlike competition, ....but i was always wondering what ivtm4 has on rear axle in between the 2 clutches, i believe you mentioned LSD which is another slipping device and i would like know how it's working together, because i always thought the 2 clutches could do the differential work alone with delivering offroad power as needed, but i guess that would be too demanding
@@tallll70 here’s some info on how iVTM4 works.
news.pickuptrucks.com/2020/06/updated-2020-honda-ridgeline-goes-off-roading.html
This is a newer article, and he mentions that the mechanic rear differential can clamp down on both clutch packs to “simulate” a locker. As said in my video, going off my personal experiences, and as shown in this video: “a LSD can only do so much, and if it’s not mechanically locked, it’s not good enough”. The Subaru in this video has an aftermarket rear differential locker a “real one”.
So here’s how the two systems work together. IVTM4 also utilizes “traction control” otherwise known as a “brake based” AWD/4WD system. ABS is used to brake an opposite wheel to divert wheel torque to the opposite wheel. In iVTM4, it only works at lower RPMs. It’s optimal between 1200 - 1600 RPMs. This means that you have to “crawl” the passport like a 4WD vehicle... something like a Toyota 4Runner. The other part of the system is the Twin clutch rear differential. There’s two clutch packs. One of the left, and one of the right. When wheel torque is to be distributed, it clamps down on that clutch pack. At 16:35 I slow the footage down. I go from a mid hill stop and use the 2 foot technique to get the passport going. I’m content on the throttle and in sand mode. This is the mode that simulates a rear locker. Both clutch packs are clamped down on and both wheels are spinning. It’s violent! Any open diff AWD system would not have forward progress, but because of iVTM4’s mechanical LSD and simulated locker, it was able to power through. It sure wasn’t pretty, and a real mechanical locker like in the modified Subaru climbed the rough part of the trail more graceful. Another thing I talk about in this video is “wheel articulation”. If I had enough “flex”, this climb would be much more graceful.
Do the Wraps provide better scratch resistance than the standard paint job?
It depends on which vinyl wrap you use. Matte black wrap will be more susceptible to scratches. Satin wrap is a little more resistant to scratches. The Avery Dennison “rugged” wrap is highly resistant to scratches
Almost went everywhere in a Honda
Can’t follow a Jeep everywhere 😃
In the end
You need more powerful ditch light than ones on your side mirror
I bought the Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro light pods during their Black Friday sale. $300 normally, but $265 with the discount.
While the DIY side mirror lights helped illuminate the peripherals, they didn’t have much distance. The new pods, specifically these by Diode Dynamics are incredible! 3x light output as a $300 Baja designs light. I actually got them in the “fog light” optic. Good spread and decent range.
I just installed the NoLo Designs front skid plate and rear diff plate today. On the front skid plate, did you have to use spacers or anything else for the four front bolts?
Hopefully Ian from Nolo Designs can chime in. For now, I’ll share what I know. First of all, NO? You don’t use any kind of spacers 😃. You just have to remove the 4 little bolts from the bottom of the plastic bumper and used the supplied longer bolts. The install is pretty simple. It’s just a matter of getting the plastic shrouds out of the way. I think there’s a guy that has a TH-cam video about the install. Also, the website should have the instructions. Let me get you a link.
Here you go! Step by step instructions:
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Oh... it does say to use the spacers between the rear 14mm bolts
Thanks for that. I used the rear spacers, but I’m afraid of stripping the front bolts or crushing the front plastic so much that it cracks/ deforms.
@@seandenney5780 quite honestly, I use to run a Jsport skid plate and the bolts stripped after the first use of the skid plate. The mounting point simply isn’t robust. I found a solution and Nolo incorporated it into the skid plate. Check out this Instagram video clip. You can use the provided slots to run a 2 inch pipe u-bolt through. This makes an amazingly robust solution!
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The Honda is an SUV not a crossover. And it should have traction control that will brake a slipping wheel for you instead of having to use two foot driving.
I’ve referred to the Honda as an SUV before. It’s built on Honda’s unique “light truck chassis”. You’re right about that. As far as “two footing”, this is an off-road technique that “traction control” won’t help with. even dedicated off-road vehicles with superior traction control systems will two foot or left foot brake.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I think they just simply did it for slippery road conditions like snow rain, not for diagonal challenge, i really like it can send 75% to rear and it enhances steering, but the fact it can send 100% to single rear wheel is just not utilized here at all... i wish they would reprogram the responses, because little Renegade with abs traction have slightly faster reaction in diagonal tests
@@tallll70 I responded to your first comment. The thing about clutch packs is that they have a limit. Paper specs can’t always translate in all conditions. This is a 30-35 degree incline that’s rutted and loose. Unlocked differentials will be stressed out. Now would the iVTM4 system transfer 70% of the engines torque to one wheel on a leveled gravel road hair pin turn? Sure.
@@tallll70 it can send 100% of the rear (75% or 70% whatever is that vehicle’s max to the rear) torque to either rear wheel but not 100% of the entire torque - the front always gets some.
In Sandmode, iVTM4 will send 70% to the rear and the rear diff is programmed to perform a high biased lock up to 70%. In mud mode, 60% is allocated to the rear and the rear LSD isn’t as aggressive. Normal and Snow mode will vector torque for onroad or rally like situations, to provide “yaw control”. The outside wheel spins 2.7% faster to help rotate the vehicle.
Hey Jon is that a regular 9speed or a CVT in your Passport?
ZF9 version 2 (9 speed automatic 20.4:1 crawl ratio)
Can you put a locker on your Honda?
Not that I know of. Will take someone to make a carrier for the diff housing. But even if that’s possible, the gearing might be a concern. The Jeep Cherokee trailhawk is a perfect example of what probably needs to be done. It has the same ZF9 transmission, but it has a low gear transfer case giving it a 56:1 crawl ratio. The possibility is out there, just not sure if someone will do it. By the way, this trail offshoot is beyond a Moderate 4WD trail, I just wouldn’t go as so far to call it a difficult 4WD trail. Maybe it’s somewhere in between. Crossovers don’t have any business on this trail. It wasn’t pretty, but we both got up.
I has a 2005 Honda piloto and a 2006 Honda ridgeline and couldn't find anything to help me out for off roading, I hated to get rid of them because of that.... I got a land rover discovery sport and a Ford ranger and now I can go and do anything off roading...
@@giermob11 yeah, the 1st Gen Pilot and Ridgeline only had the Honda 5 speed with a 11:1 crawl ratio. Really night and day with the Passport which is more similar do the current discovery sport. Almost an exact match. Do you have the new Ford Ranger?
These Jeep guys I’ve hang with will go places other modern vehicles just can’t go. I’ve commented on it before, but if anything happens to the Passport, I’ll be looking at a JL wrangler.
Yeah. I got the xl with the stx, fx4 and towing package.... I have 2h, 4h and 4L with a rear manual locker
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I've driven a 1st gen Honda Ridgeline with that same awful 11:1 crawl ratio on that 5AT down the California Lost Coast on Usal Road on the southbound direction. It was a little sketchy, but the VTM-4 AWD and VSC actually did a good enough job to just barely get through the entire trail.
How do you like the wildpeaks?
I like them a lot actually. They aren’t as onroad compliant as the Cooper AT3 4S tires I use to run, but they’re much grippier for off-road situations. Very confident in snow and rain and ice!
Jon, what load range are those Falkens?
I see now that they are P rated.
Need a Tacoma.
Ha! True story, I tried to buy a 2019 Taco, but I couldn’t fit in it properly. Would be awesome if they made the cab and seats taller.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I drove the new Tacos for work. I do not like them either. I ended up buying a 4 runner and I am shocked at the amount of room, large windows, and ride. 🙂
@@stout_tossme7541 even the 2nd Gen Tacoma’s were more comfy than the 3rd Gen. I felt the seating was more spacious, the only issue was my eyes were lined up with the top of the windshield. I sat in a 2019 4runner and it was much different. Taller interior space. If only the 3rd Gen Taco’s came that way too! I hear the new 4runner will be based on the Tundra Chasis.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that would be awesome. The tundra chasis. ❤
I would rather get stuck or not make it through the obstacles than drive anything with a boxer engine...
Haha! I owned two Subaru’s, a 2010 WRX and a 2015 Forester XT. I still have a soft spot for Subaru, but I just can’t get behind the CVT. I heard about the older EJ engine woes.
the only rig running a boxer engine is the vw vanagen there engine was made in the wasserboxer plant in germany hence the name boxer subarus run flat 4 engines not boxer engines
Why so much damn conversation, guide and go. No need to have a damn coffee catch with the spotters.
Why don't you just buy a 4Runner?
People that buy 4runners should have bought a Jeep. And people that buy Jeeps just should have bought a Helicopter.
Couldn’t have said it better. People buy what they want and what they can afford. Simple.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring it was an honest question. I didn't say what you should do with your money. I didn't suggest you were dumb for not buying 4runner. Comparing jeep to helicopter however is dumb and flipant and not the best way to get fans. I have been offroading and modifying vehicles for close to 30 years, 20 of them with various Jeeps. I now went with a 4runner over a jeep cause i wanted more refinement and space than a Wrangled offered for long trips. I was willing to accept less off road capability as a trade off. The WK2s looked too limited off road for what I do and i worried about breaking them. Not that you asked why I chose what I chose but really not that hard to answer question with an actual answer if you did. So in your video I see you struggling to make it very easy things. At least things that would be easy in a stock 4runner. They are both same size and price point. If you are into Honda's, or just seeing how far you can take a Passport cool. Would be interesting to watch. I enjoyed video. But curious as to why.
@@miggyv6856 yes and I asked why. He couldn't answer question.
@@charlesgibbs1071 he doesn’t have to answer, he bought what he wanted to buy. I think the issue lies with you not being happy with what he drives. I’m sure he sleeps fine at night.
X drive is better then than Hondas shit.
A X5 with its 17.8:1 crawl ratio and traction control is better than a Passport with a 20.4:1 crawl ratio with a rear LSD and traction control? Okay 😃
Nah. I-VTM4 is MUCH better than X drive shit.
@@WhiteSubie could they have made this prebuilt obstacle course more tame to test out a brake based AWD system? Haha ! The 2016 Honda Pilot and 2017 Ridgeline conquered Gold Mine Hill!
th-cam.com/video/RHIYhb8ffZY/w-d-xo.html
The Subaru loses badly on the annoying engine/exhaust noises. Good enough reason not to go anywhere.