Before colorlight and semaphore signals became widespread, "highball" originally meant "full speed ahead" or "proceed at maximum allowed speed", because signalman used large balls that were winched above poles to indicate track speed or signal indication.
I believe airlines use it to refer to crew who are travelling on a flight but not operating it, such as a pilot who's on a passenger on the flight from A to B because his next job is to fly from B to C.
LOL!! Also called a "game boy", it is a small computer that local conductors update their set offs and pick ups. It beams via satellite to customer service to show cars arrival times. Its really called the "on board work report", but game boy sounds more fun.
Sidewinder: an efficiency test performed by a company officer usually on a curve where he lights a fusee (flare) and swings down the moving train after the head end goes by him to see if anyone in the cab is watching the curves.
Nice work. There was a story one time about a wife in Chicagoland who called a local yard office to find out when her husband would be off duty and the clerk told her, "Oh, he's dead over at Clearing Yard." WHAT??? "No, he's not dead dead, he just can't work anymore." WHY?? "Because he's dead". The employee in question was told to call home immediately. Of course, "Deadhead" to a rock-n-roll fan has an entirely different meaning! (Grateful Dead fan to you younger folks reading this.)
I'm doing my pre employment physical for NS tomorrow. I've been applying to NS, CSX, and UP since I graduated high school. This is the first offer I've gotten in almost 10 years of applying. I've wanted to be on the railroad since I was a toddler and have always had a fascination with trains. However I did make sure not to mention that during my interview as pretty much all the old heads, including my late uncle who worked at csx for 30 years all told me that would be a huge turn off for a manager. I'm guessing its because the job is very demanding in many ways, and someone's whose only motivation to be there is because they get to work with trains likely won't stick it out when things get tough. I basically told them I wanted the job because I wanted to get to travel, like having a varying schedule, and that I was looking for a long term career after dealing with nothing but poor paying dead end jobs since I've been out of high school.
I’d add “stretch it”. Pull ahead to test the coupling after connecting cars. Also “roll by”. Visual inspection of train for dragging equipment, dragging brake shoes or other defects. Usually a radio callout “good roll-by” meaning no defects.
I'm a commercial pilot. "We" all love airplanes for the most part. Even have conventions consisting mostly of pilots and no one thinks twice about it. I know an engineer (CN) who's the same way....doesn't like trains and I told him I didn't get it. He mumbled something about how the RR treats them leads to the animosity which again didn't make sense but different strokes I guess. I personally love trains, planes and automobiles(sorry). Growing up in Cheyenne Wy I used to love going to watch them power up and over Sherman Hill and through the tunnel back in the mid 70's.
Some other little terms. Remote: A locomotive that can be operated from outside the cab. Used for switching or hump yards. Beltpack: Its the 'Operator Control Unit' (OCU). Basically its the controller for the remote locomotive. Derail: A device locked directly to the rail to prevent a rail vehicle from going where it isn't supposed to go. On the Ground: Can mean two things. The conductor is off the train. Or the train is off the rails. Swing: A helper locomotive in the middle of the train. Typically used in mountainous territory to help manage slack in the train. Run Around: A maneuver where the crew detaches the locomotive from the train and switches tracks to tie onto the other end so they don't have to shove their train backwards.
Great video. I worked for Conrail 76-82, as a Car Knocker and Hostler Helper. Things have changed. We still had Firemen and Brakemen when I was there. I am lucky to say that I have piloted, Covered Wagons, Goats, SD40's and GP-7/9's, and more. Thank you for what you do. I knew most of the lingo and it brought back great memories. CIAO!
I've always thought a FOAMER was a rail fan that was over the top and annoyed train crews. A good example was what a friend of mine told me when he was a commuter train conductor in MA. He was collecting tickets and came upon a young guy (looked like he was in his early teens) that had a conductors uniform on, including the hat. Bill asked him what line he worked for and the kid said "oh, I don't work right now but I know a lot about your job and I'll be on standby to assist you". Bill thanked him but told him the facts of life and not to get in the way. LOL
Hey DJ I enjoy your video's I worked out of Newcastle Jct. and was a road Engineer and retired in 2009 but it is nice to hear you talk about how the railroad is today by the way you used the term foamers we used to call them railroad nerds but I say that in a very good way because I liked them all !
Way to own the foamer tag, bro! I'm a rail and am ambivalent about trains but I do like the history of rail as I'm a huge history nerd, and I am a bit of an aviation foamer which works out well seeing as how I work in Seattle.
On the UPRR the 707 is called a Form B. Engineering forces put up yellow/red boards a mile or two before the start of the Form B and at the limits of the Form B they will put a red board. Train can't pass red board without clearance from the MOW foreman in charge of the Form B. Form Bs may run concurrently at or near a particular milepost and have more than one line, perhaps more than one foreman in charge.
I dismantled my steel mill layout last year, but saved most of the buildings. I then started on a generic layout, that my daughter and I can play with (her side has horses, houses, and farms. Mine is city). However, I have started building a new one with a simpler track plan, but with more focus on recreating a specific time and place, and scratch building all structures. What you see in this video is the first section, but will be adding as the weather warms, and I can get in the garage.
Here in this part of Europe about one-quarter of railway people are "foamers" too, and they are highly appreciated for their thoroughness, knowledge, and often by the marketing departments, for them having photos of everything. It is a big plus being enthusiastic about your job and I have never heard of any problems caused by their interest. Of course, a lot of things are highly automated or electrically supervised.
they are held with what we call "glad hands". They lock like a asprin bottle top, kinda. They have a tight seal on a quarter turn. That is why you see conductors bend down, bend the house, and fasten them. When they are pulled apart, they align to where the opening is, which allows them to separate. I can't film on property, so maybe I can find an example at a museum or abandoned cars.
Hey DJ I have a couple more for you. "Shifter" - usually a switcher type engine (SW1500, MP15) used to move cars or locomotives around the shop complex. "Break that knuckle" - uncouple from the car or locomotive. "Give me some slack" - Everything is stretched, making it impossible to lift the cut lever. We call the Head end Box the HOTD or Head Of Train Device and the ones that are painted red are naturally called "Red Hot's". You have two types, either a "Red Hot" or it's "In the Screen".
Truckers use "deadhead" too. For us, it's miles driven with an empty trailer, usually from a dropoff or drop yard to a pickup. My longest deadhead ever was four hundred miles across Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Thanks for the video, DJ. Happy New Year, I always liked the term "highball the main" which was when we had cabooses and tail-end brakemen meant that another crew wasin position to line the main track switch back to normal position for us when leaving a yard or siding...great help when handling a long train. Keep up the informative videos DJ. : )
Yes, the glad hands on trucks are the same as the glad hands on locomotives and railroad cars. The only difference being the ones used on the railroad are a little bigger and the hoses are a lot thicker than the hoses used on trucks.
"deadhead" on the railroad can be good or bad as far as PAY depending on when you hired on... on the chicago and northwestern i hired on in 1993 and only got "time consumed" when deadheading from my away terminal to my home terminal (which btw hardly never happens)... but guys who hired on BEFORE 1985 got a "days pay"... that sucked
I'm digging trains. Not quite foamer status yet. This sub-culture is all new to me. Went railfanning one time to HSC and Stayed overnight at the Station Inn in Cresson, Pa. Had a blast watching all that heavy metal in motion. Looking forward to returning to Cresson soon.
Cornfield meet: On single track territory when a train blows its meet order and is headed for an opposing train, the crew of the trains jump into the corn field to escape death or injury from an imminent collision.
I can't tell you frequencies, but we use 1 for road, 1 for dispatcher, and 1 for yard. Dispatcher cover about 100 miles, so sometimes we have to deal with a 2nd dispatcher channel.
Another great informative video brother. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when you explained the "FOAMER" definition. I'm sure there are others that you're not at liberty to discuss on such a public forum. Keep up the good work and Happy Birthday.
Wow and Way cool, Thanks DJ this was amazing, Yes I am a true Foamer lol I never knew that. This was an amazing Logic and Infomation, thanks again and Happy Birthday or Belated Birthday and Peace will come 🙂.
Outlaw used to be called the Hog Law. Engineers were called hoggers. As for the 3-step rule, conductors had air gauges in the caboose, letting them know the air pressure in the train at all times. A valve was provided to be pulled in case of emergency, and that would dump the air from the train. MofW workers would have blue flag protection, and you probably had slow orders in advance before coming to the work area.
C'mon man let's give them the real juicy stuff like What's a "Stick", a "Green Board", a "Red Board", "Beans", "Bust the air", "Save the air", "Pump ' em up", "Draw 'em down" , "That'll do", " We're dead", "Double the track", "Swing the track", "Tie it down", and learn who are "Ringmasters", "Brainmasters", "Carknockers", and "Weed Weasels". And of course legendary terms, like " "Line the switch", "Throw the switch", "Guard the switch", and "Bust the Switch". Master these terms, and you'll find yourself held in higher esteem than a "Cub". 😊
Some phrases and words are regional specific too. Like here in Illinois we call stacks cars tubs. I know in at least Long Beach California they call stack cars bays.
I heard that the reason railroads don't want to hire railfans is that they are worried that said railfan is at risk of becoming distracted by, for example, some rare or esoteric locomotive on another track, which might cause them to forget what they are doing in the now. I don't know how true this is.
I can see that I've heard at the interview not to mention you're into trains but railfans are the best ones to hire because they actually wanna do the job unlike some people that end up doing the job you wanna do a than they bitch about how demanding the work is lol.
Rail fans that go to work on a real railroad oftentimes End up distracted because their mind is not on the task at hand and anyone that has been on the road for a little while realizes you have to be paying attention all the time. There are times when I worked on the railroad that I knew people that really should not have been there because they were fomers and they ended up causing some major problems.
Well its definitely a good thing to keep your mind on what your doing. I don't know anybody that don't take notice e when the steam engine comes around . All that metal working back and forth all that steam flying the whistle is actually a whistle. If I wanted to look I'd just stop the movement and go look . Everybody else on the crew wanted to see also . but when your busy you definitely need to keep your head on a swivel .I've never seen a fellow employee crushed maimed crippled or killed. But have seen people that run the crossing killed . its not a pleasant experience for anybody . Although I have seen a 40 mph head on . And by the grace of God nobody was killed. But it sure makes one hell of a mess.
upsd402 I know this is late, but when copying track warrants on the BNSF there was a box next to each number of the line of the track warrant (about 15 total boxes). When the dispatcher told you to fill out a line, they'd say something like "X in box 2," and you'd physically mark an X in the box for line 2 (and any other items he or she read out). The most common one to fill out was box 2, which looked like "PROCEED FROM _________ TO _________." The person copying the warrant would both have to say "X in box 2, proceed from [Limit 1] to [Limit 2]" during the read back. We'd inevitably end up shortening it to "X box 2" when saying it over the radio. Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's how it was for us.
I Know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd add: in the northeast, that's considered line 2 on a form D (a form D is basically a track warrant) and it's said like this: "clear to operate (east, west, both, etc.) direction on the (number one, single, etc.) track between (location) and (location). sorry if the formatting on this comment is a little weird.
In your account of a 707, it describes a "Form B" pretty similarly on the rails out West. Has CSX adopted the Form B yet? I know they've gone to track warrants now though I believe they are issued through an EC-1 form? I know they did away with disabling the Field generator during 3-step now. The term "highball" originated from a signal used at drawbridges where a 12 inch wooden ball was placed on a flagpole sort of device. As the bridge lowered and locked into place, the rope on the flagpole was pulled lifting the wooden ball to the top, signaling to the crew that the bridge was down and locked. Since then it has implied a clear signal or a green light from whomever has authority to release a train.
Hey, thanks for clearing a lot of this up. I've had a scanner for a long time, but didn't listen to the trains because I had no idea what they were talking about. Now where's that frequency book..........
Interesting. 707s mean something else in aviation. I suppose, like the airlines, RRs consider deadhead time as duty time. In the airlines DH (dead head) crews are paid the same as if they were working the flight. Flight attendants often loved DH flights, pilots always hated them.
3-point protection is not the same as 3-step protection in the US and I'm pretty sure CP Rail uses our 3-point protection as well. 3-points of contact means with two arms and one foot or two feet and one arm at all times. They don't want people trying to do balancing acts on standing or moving equipment. But you still need to hold on to the side of a car while shoving and have your lantern in hand and talk on the radio and do not let your brake stick loose where it could fall or get tangled in the equipment... Good luck figuring that one out, ha!
Dj, i dont know if you have made a video on your layout? But i sure would like you to do a walkaround on your layout, Im very interested with your layout, if you could run over some of the structures/features that would be a great next video...hint.hint
Here I am thinking that high ball was a cocktail and a Deadhead was a follower of the band the Grateful Dead! I also heard that high ball meant to move fast to get to point B as quickly and as safely as possible.
At least you didn’t put down foamers people video all kinds of things for their fun I video trains and I don’t foam I rode in my first locomotive in 1955 I sat on my uncles lap and actually drove the locomotive anyway nice informative video
Cool video! E.O.T. sounds like another term for a F.R.E.D. (Federal Required End of train Device). Somebody at a train club I belong to told me about them. Although he just told me that they were a flashing light to signal the end of a train.
+volksdude1970 FRED is "flashing rear end device". We have used a simple red light on the locals, which is good enough for that type of train, but the EOTs on all freight trains tell us the air pressure and have a motion detector that lets us know when the last car is moving.
@@djstrains Trains that do not exceed 4000 tons nor 40 mph are not required to have EOT telemetry. All trains are required to have an EOT marker which can be a red flag by day and a visible red light by night. One Federale in Texas told me that even a fusee would be an acceptable marker at night but they only last 8 minutes so be quick on the mainline...
I have always understood it to be that railroad companies do not like rail fans as employees because they may be more interested in the trains or a rare passing locomotive and not have there full attention on there work. It actually comes down to a safety state of mind. Here is a scenario that will put it into focus, Mr. X an engineer who is also a rail fan is running his train along but he noticed a steam locomotive on an adjacent right of way. Being that he has rail fanning in the blood he will spend a bit more time admiring the steam locomotive then someone who is not a rail fan. In that time Mr. X was watching the steam locomotive he did not notice the red signal go by. While that’s an extreme case it is the point of view of the big railroad company.
I think I know the type people you are talking about. I also know for a fact not one of them would hesitate to put the brake on get off and go look. I see nothing wrong with that ..
Only a few terms are around today. If you want to have some fun, look up all the lingo that was used back in time on the railroads-----hundreds of terms back then.
We had a new hire that gave his wife the dispatcher number in case of emergency. She was pregnant. He didn’t come home when we was supposed too. She called the dispatcher and asked where he was, He told her, he died at Rocky(station name) she freak out, hung up and called his parents. Needless to say you know the correct answer. Haha
Despatchers in general seem to be a bizarre breed . Despatchers in general seem to be a bizarre breed a lot of them when I 1st hired out had a nasty dispositon. It did not matter whether they were a crew dispatcher,engine dispatcher or an actual train dispatcher. A lot of them were short and abusive when talking to you. As years passed they were a more civil kind of person.
I've been on the railroad 43 years some of these terms I've never heard of before maybe each railroads got its own terms that's a possibility each railroad is a world of its own
i've heard "deadhead" used both in reference to crews getting a ride back to where they came from in the next train going that way but also to trailing locomotives that're being delivered without being used as power. & how about "hot box" for "overheated journal"!
ILMAO out of all the lingo that you guys us I only knew 1, FOAMER 😂😂 now I wanna get a can of shave cream, stand along side a track and wait, thanks for the education
It shouldn’t noted that over half the terminology used by DJ’s railroad is different when working for BNSF and UP which also varies from each other. However, BNSF and UP have quite a bit similar terminology probably because we have some trackage rights with each other.
I worked on the NS yes some of the terminology is different. I knew what he was talking about. I bet if I told DJ to swipe the gauge he would have done it before I completed the sentence .
Some railroads call it trainorders and some College warrants I've been away from railroading retired for 15 years a lot of things have changed I'm sure and some call it meat orders usually on singletrack's
@@djstrains ok. But does the railroad have some “general orders” or something in place for that situation? Just wondering. I follow some hobos on TH-cam and wonder how they never seem to be in jail lol. Love your videos.
I would say for the most part crews may look the other way. It's a lot easier to just do your job. The problem becomes when they become violent or a danger to the crews on the trains. I've opened up locomotives to find hobos have relieved themselves in the cab. I've had late departures when we've found they've broken into autoracks and trashed brand new automobiles. They wedge open boxcar doors and the cars are then rejected at the customers and require extra switching or the cars cleaned out. The hobo life isn't always as romantic as you might think.
An you still hear RR chatter anymore? I used to be able to, but thought that changed. I used to have a radio and could hear KCS by my house and other lines when traveling.
Before colorlight and semaphore signals became widespread, "highball" originally meant "full speed ahead" or "proceed at maximum allowed speed", because signalman used large balls that were winched above poles to indicate track speed or signal indication.
In trucking "deadhead" means running empty (no cargo).
I believe airlines use it to refer to crew who are travelling on a flight but not operating it, such as a pilot who's on a passenger on the flight from A to B because his next job is to fly from B to C.
LOL!! Also called a "game boy", it is a small computer that local conductors update their set offs and pick ups. It beams via satellite to customer service to show cars arrival times. Its really called the "on board work report", but game boy sounds more fun.
Sidewinder: an efficiency test performed by a company officer usually on a curve where he lights a fusee (flare) and swings down the moving train after the head end goes by him to see if anyone in the cab is watching the curves.
Nice work. There was a story one time about a wife in Chicagoland who called a local yard office to find out when her husband would be off duty and the clerk told her, "Oh, he's dead over at Clearing Yard." WHAT??? "No, he's not dead dead, he just can't work anymore." WHY?? "Because he's dead". The employee in question was told to call home immediately.
Of course, "Deadhead" to a rock-n-roll fan has an entirely different meaning! (Grateful Dead fan to you younger folks reading this.)
Everything pretty much translates to “I’m exhausted, and my supervisors are children with zero railway experience”.
Correct
I'm doing my pre employment physical for NS tomorrow. I've been applying to NS, CSX, and UP since I graduated high school. This is the first offer I've gotten in almost 10 years of applying. I've wanted to be on the railroad since I was a toddler and have always had a fascination with trains. However I did make sure not to mention that during my interview as pretty much all the old heads, including my late uncle who worked at csx for 30 years all told me that would be a huge turn off for a manager. I'm guessing its because the job is very demanding in many ways, and someone's whose only motivation to be there is because they get to work with trains likely won't stick it out when things get tough. I basically told them I wanted the job because I wanted to get to travel, like having a varying schedule, and that I was looking for a long term career after dealing with nothing but poor paying dead end jobs since I've been out of high school.
For the railroad, literally all you have to do is say you hate the railroad with all your heart and they’ll bring you in in a millisecond
I’d add “stretch it”. Pull ahead to test the coupling after connecting cars.
Also “roll by”. Visual inspection of train for dragging equipment, dragging brake shoes or other defects. Usually a radio callout “good roll-by” meaning no defects.
I'm a commercial pilot. "We" all love airplanes for the most part. Even have conventions consisting mostly of pilots and no one thinks twice about it. I know an engineer (CN) who's the same way....doesn't like trains and I told him I didn't get it. He mumbled something about how the RR treats them leads to the animosity which again didn't make sense but different strokes I guess. I personally love trains, planes and automobiles(sorry). Growing up in Cheyenne Wy I used to love going to watch them power up and over Sherman Hill and through the tunnel back in the mid 70's.
Makes sense to me
Dinky: on some roads, referring to a passenger train, usually a commuter train. On the CNW we called them scoots.
Some other little terms.
Remote: A locomotive that can be operated from outside the cab. Used for switching or hump yards.
Beltpack: Its the 'Operator Control Unit' (OCU). Basically its the controller for the remote locomotive.
Derail: A device locked directly to the rail to prevent a rail vehicle from going where it isn't supposed to go.
On the Ground: Can mean two things. The conductor is off the train. Or the train is off the rails.
Swing: A helper locomotive in the middle of the train. Typically used in mountainous territory to help manage slack in the train.
Run Around: A maneuver where the crew detaches the locomotive from the train and switches tracks to tie onto the other end so they don't have to shove their train backwards.
Great video. I worked for Conrail 76-82, as a Car Knocker and Hostler Helper. Things have changed. We still had Firemen and Brakemen when I was there. I am lucky to say that I have piloted, Covered Wagons, Goats, SD40's and GP-7/9's, and more. Thank you for what you do. I knew most of the lingo and it brought back great memories. CIAO!
Thanks for sharing. great time period!
I've always thought a FOAMER was a rail fan that was over the top and annoyed train crews. A good example was what a friend of mine told me when he was a commuter train conductor in MA. He was collecting tickets and came upon a young guy (looked like he was in his early teens) that had a conductors uniform on, including the hat. Bill asked him what line he worked for and the kid said "oh, I don't work right now but I know a lot about your job and I'll be on standby to assist you". Bill thanked him but told him the facts of life and not to get in the way. LOL
Hey DJ I enjoy your video's I worked out of Newcastle Jct. and was a road Engineer and retired in 2009 but it is nice to hear you talk about how the railroad is today by the way you used the term foamers we used to call them railroad nerds but I say that in a very good way because I liked them all !
Hoglaw is what makes you an outlaw. Applied to the rest period required to rest and water the livestock.. Oh and the crew (sometimes) got a break.
yes, on our EC-1 (track warrant), we have to circle line 1a and then fill in word for word what they instruct us.
Stayed down on the farm too long: Not enough seniority to prevent a furlough or hold a choice assignment.
Way to own the foamer tag, bro! I'm a rail and am ambivalent about trains but I do like the history of rail as I'm a huge history nerd, and I am a bit of an aviation foamer which works out well seeing as how I work in Seattle.
On the UPRR the 707 is called a Form B. Engineering forces put up yellow/red boards a mile or two before the start of the Form B and at the limits of the Form B they will put a red board. Train can't pass red board without clearance from the MOW foreman in charge of the Form B. Form Bs may run concurrently at or near a particular milepost and have more than one line, perhaps more than one foreman in charge.
Nice job with describing the words we hear on the radio. Thanks! 👍
yes. I just brought in the q299 the other night. I worked my first 9 years up there.
I dismantled my steel mill layout last year, but saved most of the buildings. I then started on a generic layout, that my daughter and I can play with (her side has horses, houses, and farms. Mine is city). However, I have started building a new one with a simpler track plan, but with more focus on recreating a specific time and place, and scratch building all structures. What you see in this video is the first section, but will be adding as the weather warms, and I can get in the garage.
Here in this part of Europe about one-quarter of railway people are "foamers" too, and they are highly appreciated for their thoroughness, knowledge, and often by the marketing departments, for them having photos of everything. It is a big plus being enthusiastic about your job and I have never heard of any problems caused by their interest. Of course, a lot of things are highly automated or electrically supervised.
Dynamiter: defective air brakes on rolling stock that will not initiate a service reduction but goes directly into emergency.
Haha
@@djstrains also called a kicker.
they are held with what we call "glad hands". They lock like a asprin bottle top, kinda. They have a tight seal on a quarter turn. That is why you see conductors bend down, bend the house, and fasten them. When they are pulled apart, they align to where the opening is, which allows them to separate. I can't film on property, so maybe I can find an example at a museum or abandoned cars.
Hey DJ I have a couple more for you. "Shifter" - usually a switcher type engine (SW1500, MP15) used to move cars or locomotives around the shop complex. "Break that knuckle" - uncouple from the car or locomotive. "Give me some slack" - Everything is stretched, making it impossible to lift the cut lever. We call the Head end Box the HOTD or Head Of Train Device and the ones that are painted red are naturally called "Red Hot's". You have two types, either a "Red Hot" or it's "In the Screen".
Truckers use "deadhead" too. For us, it's miles driven with an empty trailer, usually from a dropoff or drop yard to a pickup.
My longest deadhead ever was four hundred miles across Alberta and Saskatchewan.
yikes
Wow,wtf
Outlaw is used to LOL
Thanks for the video, DJ. Happy New Year, I always liked the term "highball the main" which was when we had cabooses and tail-end brakemen meant that another crew wasin position to line the main track switch back to normal position for us when leaving a yard or siding...great help when handling a long train. Keep up the informative videos DJ. : )
Yes, the glad hands on trucks are the same as the glad hands on locomotives and railroad cars. The only difference being the ones used on the railroad are a little bigger and the hoses are a lot thicker than the hoses used on trucks.
"deadhead" on the railroad can be good or bad as far as PAY depending on when you hired on... on the chicago and northwestern i hired on in 1993 and only got "time consumed" when deadheading from my away terminal to my home terminal (which btw hardly never happens)... but guys who hired on BEFORE 1985 got a "days pay"... that sucked
100%
I'm digging trains. Not quite foamer status yet. This sub-culture is all new to me. Went railfanning one time to HSC and Stayed overnight at the Station Inn in Cresson, Pa. Had a blast watching all that heavy metal in motion. Looking forward to returning to Cresson soon.
Cornfield meet: On single track territory when a train blows its meet order and is headed for an opposing train, the crew of the trains jump into the corn field to escape death or injury from an imminent collision.
I can't tell you frequencies, but we use 1 for road, 1 for dispatcher, and 1 for yard. Dispatcher cover about 100 miles, so sometimes we have to deal with a 2nd dispatcher channel.
Waycar: caboose. also called a gorilla cage. Also called a "crumby" which is short for crumb box.
My father always called the caboose a cab. All the other ones I knew said that too.
Another great informative video brother. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when you explained the "FOAMER" definition. I'm sure there are others that you're not at liberty to discuss on such a public forum. Keep up the good work and Happy Birthday.
Wow and Way cool, Thanks DJ this was amazing, Yes I am a true Foamer lol I never knew that. This was an amazing Logic and Infomation, thanks again and Happy Birthday or Belated Birthday and Peace will come 🙂.
Taking "the quit": knocking off early from work if your work is all done.
Outlaw used to be called the Hog Law. Engineers were called hoggers. As for the 3-step rule, conductors had air gauges in the caboose, letting them know the air pressure in the train at all times. A valve was provided to be pulled in case of emergency, and that would dump the air from the train. MofW workers would have blue flag protection, and you probably had slow orders in advance before coming to the work area.
The caboose went bye bye .
707 in my area is referred to as a "form B restriction". Don't ask me why.
Thanks for posting DJ, learned something new today👍🏼
Never have heard 707 on the radio over the past 15 years
C'mon man let's give them the real juicy stuff like What's a "Stick", a "Green Board", a "Red Board", "Beans", "Bust the air", "Save the air", "Pump ' em up", "Draw 'em down" , "That'll do", " We're dead", "Double the track", "Swing the track", "Tie it down", and learn who are "Ringmasters", "Brainmasters", "Carknockers", and "Weed Weasels". And of course legendary terms, like " "Line the switch", "Throw the switch", "Guard the switch", and "Bust the Switch".
Master these terms, and you'll find yourself held in higher esteem than a "Cub". 😊
Some phrases and words are regional specific too. Like here in Illinois we call stacks cars tubs. I know in at least Long Beach California they call stack cars bays.
Thanks for the info dj look forward to your next vid.
I heard that the reason railroads don't want to hire railfans is that they are worried that said railfan is at risk of becoming distracted by, for example, some rare or esoteric locomotive on another track, which might cause them to forget what they are doing in the now. I don't know how true this is.
I can see that I've heard at the interview not to mention you're into trains but railfans are the best ones to hire because they actually wanna do the job unlike some people that end up doing the job you wanna do a than they bitch about how demanding the work is lol.
Rail fans that go to work on a real railroad oftentimes End up distracted because their mind is not on the task at hand and anyone that has been on the road for a little while realizes you have to be paying attention all the time. There are times when I worked on the railroad that I knew people that really should not have been there because they were fomers and they ended up causing some major problems.
Well its definitely a good thing to keep your mind on what your doing. I don't know anybody that don't take notice e when the steam engine comes around . All that metal working back and forth all that steam flying the whistle is actually a whistle. If I wanted to look I'd just stop the movement and go look . Everybody else on the crew wanted to see also . but when your busy you definitely need to keep your head on a swivel .I've never seen a fellow employee crushed maimed crippled or killed. But have seen people that run the crossing killed . its not a pleasant experience for anybody . Although I have seen a 40 mph head on . And by the grace of God nobody was killed. But it sure makes one hell of a mess.
upsd402 I know this is late, but when copying track warrants on the BNSF there was a box next to each number of the line of the track warrant (about 15 total boxes). When the dispatcher told you to fill out a line, they'd say something like "X in box 2," and you'd physically mark an X in the box for line 2 (and any other items he or she read out). The most common one to fill out was box 2, which looked like "PROCEED FROM _________ TO _________." The person copying the warrant would both have to say "X in box 2, proceed from [Limit 1] to [Limit 2]" during the read back. We'd inevitably end up shortening it to "X box 2" when saying it over the radio. Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's how it was for us.
ours is "circle line 5...."
xbox 2....sounds like a new video system, lol.
I Know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd add: in the northeast, that's considered line 2 on a form D (a form D is basically a track warrant) and it's said like this: "clear to operate (east, west, both, etc.) direction on the (number one, single, etc.) track between (location) and (location). sorry if the formatting on this comment is a little weird.
I always learn something new on this channel. Thanks DJ!!
In your account of a 707, it describes a "Form B" pretty similarly on the rails out West. Has CSX adopted the Form B yet? I know they've gone to track warrants now though I believe they are issued through an EC-1 form?
I know they did away with disabling the Field generator during 3-step now.
The term "highball" originated from a signal used at drawbridges where a 12 inch wooden ball was placed on a flagpole sort of device. As the bridge lowered and locked into place, the rope on the flagpole was pulled lifting the wooden ball to the top, signaling to the crew that the bridge was down and locked. Since then it has implied a clear signal or a green light from whomever has authority to release a train.
we haven't used a form B in my area yet.
Hey, thanks for clearing a lot of this up. I've had a scanner for a long time, but didn't listen to the trains because I had no idea what they were talking about. Now where's that frequency book..........
No one at the railroad knows what they are talking about either.
Interesting. 707s mean something else in aviation. I suppose, like the airlines, RRs consider deadhead time as duty time. In the airlines DH (dead head) crews are paid the same as if they were working the flight. Flight attendants often loved DH flights, pilots always hated them.
This video will be great for young men who want a career to be railroad conductors or engineers
Only for DJ’s particular railroad because almost half of the terminology he used is different for BNSF and UP
High iron: main track
In my time we had brakeman/fireman watch the bug, feather beding and for some of those old brakeman Rule G...
In Canada we call "The 3 Step Protection" a "3 Point Protection", good video!
sicilian12345 out west we just call it going in or in between
Set and centred.
3-point protection is not the same as 3-step protection in the US and I'm pretty sure CP Rail uses our 3-point protection as well.
3-points of contact means with two arms and one foot or two feet and one arm at all times. They don't want people trying to do balancing acts on standing or moving equipment. But you still need to hold on to the side of a car while shoving and have your lantern in hand and talk on the radio and do not let your brake stick loose where it could fall or get tangled in the equipment... Good luck figuring that one out, ha!
always info we don't elsewhere. thx1
Great stuff! I'd love more like this!
You got it!
Highball: get going!
Thanks for the info.
Maybe do a video on the types of signals you encounter, and some basic types and colors of signals to put on the layout.
Dj, i dont know if you have made a video on your layout? But i sure would like you to do a walkaround on your layout, Im very interested with your layout, if you could run over some of the structures/features that would be a great next video...hint.hint
New subscriber here! Will be busy watching the old videos. Thank you and take care. Paul.
At least you got a van trucking companies don’t give a damn about us when we run out of hours
Could be worse you could be driving a tractor trailer most of us don’t have pensions and are treated like shit by companies !
Here I am thinking that high ball was a cocktail and a Deadhead was a follower of the band the Grateful Dead! I also heard that high ball meant to move fast to get to point B as quickly and as safely as possible.
You are actually correct on all, lol.
At least you didn’t put down foamers people video all kinds of things for their fun I video trains and I don’t foam I rode in my first locomotive in 1955 I sat on my uncles lap and actually drove the locomotive anyway nice informative video
Fred…. Fucking rear end device. Lol
Federal Rear-End Device
Cool video!
E.O.T. sounds like another term for a F.R.E.D. (Federal Required End of train Device). Somebody at a train club I belong to told me about them. Although he just told me that they were a flashing light to signal the end of a train.
+volksdude1970 FRED is "flashing rear end device". We have used a simple red light on the locals, which is good enough for that type of train, but the EOTs on all freight trains tell us the air pressure and have a motion detector that lets us know when the last car is moving.
And from those whose jobs were replaced by them ;-)
djstrains for us out west we call the head end device Marys
That is the Fucking Rear End Device.
@@djstrains Trains that do not exceed 4000 tons nor 40 mph are not required to have EOT telemetry. All trains are required to have an EOT marker which can be a red flag by day and a visible red light by night. One Federale in Texas told me that even a fusee would be an acceptable marker at night but they only last 8 minutes so be quick on the mainline...
I have always understood it to be that railroad companies do not like rail fans as employees because they may be more interested in the trains or a rare passing locomotive and not have there full attention on there work. It actually comes down to a safety state of mind. Here is a scenario that will put it into focus, Mr. X an engineer who is also a rail fan is running his train along but he noticed a steam locomotive on an adjacent right of way. Being that he has rail fanning in the blood he will spend a bit more time admiring the steam locomotive then someone who is not a rail fan. In that time Mr. X was watching the steam locomotive he did not notice the red signal go by. While that’s an extreme case it is the point of view of the big railroad company.
I think I know the type people you are talking about. I also know for a fact not one of them would hesitate to put the brake on get off and go look. I see nothing wrong with that ..
@@rc391995 DJ, has said it him self, if you are applying to get employed on a railroad make no mention of being a railfan.
Only a few terms are around today. If you want to have some fun, look up all the lingo that was used back in time on the railroads-----hundreds of terms back then.
Ain't ashamed to admit I've been a foamer for 60 years now. Although I gotta admit trains were much more interesting in years past.
Wabash: colliding with a car or engine, usually unexpectedly.
You want whirled peas for your birthday? Sounds simple enough.
We had a new hire that gave his wife the dispatcher number in case of emergency. She was pregnant. He didn’t come home when we was supposed too. She called the dispatcher and asked where he was, He told her, he died at Rocky(station name) she freak out, hung up and called his parents. Needless to say you know the correct answer. Haha
wow!
they told us in dispatcher triaining about never using that phrase (to no railroaders) for that very reason.....
Despatchers in general seem to be a bizarre breed . Despatchers in general seem to be a bizarre breed a lot of them when I 1st hired out had a nasty dispositon. It did not matter whether they were a crew dispatcher,engine dispatcher or an actual train dispatcher. A lot of them were short and abusive when talking to you. As years passed they were a more civil kind of person.
UP and BNSF call a "707" a "Track Bulletin Form B" in accordance with GCOR.
"Highball" Ok to proceed at track speed.
I've been on the railroad 43 years some of these terms I've never heard of before maybe each railroads got its own terms that's a possibility each railroad is a world of its own
i've heard "deadhead" used both in reference to crews getting a ride back to where they came from in the next train going that way but also to trailing locomotives that're being delivered without being used as power.
& how about "hot box" for "overheated journal"!
correct
I liked your B&O Pgh depot model.
*Starts foaming* REEEEE GEVO GEVO GEVO
We don't say outlaw more like we're dead on hours or expired I'm a CP eng btw :)
ILMAO out of all the lingo that you guys us I only knew 1, FOAMER 😂😂 now I wanna get a can of shave cream, stand along side a track and wait, thanks for the education
hahaha
Pull the pin: quit working for the RR or taking one's pension.
7 more years lol
@@djstrains I've been retired since 2014.
You forgot the two most important BEANS and EARLY QUIT !!!🤣
I’d love to learn more about the engines.
In the ditch: a derailment. Usually a bad one.
KCS used "on the ground" was used for derails... I'm a retired KCS conductor in Texas...
Gandy dancer: MOW or engineering dept. worker.
Only used by framers.
I'm a foamer, but I just got hired on to be a passenger conductor. I will still be a foamer
A... That West bound look good with da Blink Blink on the rear. Ya'll have a good day.
LOL, you have been spying on us, haven't you?! LOL. There is only ONE guy who says that every time, LOL.
You forvot about"screwing the pooch"
lol, true!!!!
It shouldn’t noted that over half the terminology used by DJ’s railroad is different when working for BNSF and UP which also varies from each other. However, BNSF and UP have quite a bit similar terminology probably because we have some trackage rights with each other.
BNSF and UP's rulebooks are both derived from the General Code of Operating Rules, so a lot of the terminology will be similar.
I worked on the NS yes some of the terminology is different. I knew what he was talking about. I bet if I told DJ to swipe the gauge he would have done it before I completed the sentence .
ok. I plan to signal my layout so that will be a good idea.
Great video. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
What about "circle line...something" I believe its referring to track warrants usually
Some railroads call it trainorders and some College warrants I've been away from railroading retired for 15 years a lot of things have changed I'm sure and some call it meat orders usually on singletrack's
Can you translate what my wife is actually saying when she’s yapping? (Wife knows I kid!❤️)
Definitely a Foamer. Lol.
You should do a video about what happens when a train crew suspects their may be a hobo along for the ride. :)
doesn't happen in my area. there was one couple and their dog but its been many years since I saw them.
@@djstrains ok. But does the railroad have some “general orders” or something in place for that situation? Just wondering. I follow some hobos on TH-cam and wonder how they never seem to be in jail lol. Love your videos.
@@thefamilyhobo we call dispatcher and he either calls csx police or local police. But honestly, they dont interfere with train operations.
I would say for the most part crews may look the other way. It's a lot easier to just do your job. The problem becomes when they become violent or a danger to the crews on the trains. I've opened up locomotives to find hobos have relieved themselves in the cab. I've had late departures when we've found they've broken into autoracks and trashed brand new automobiles. They wedge open boxcar doors and the cars are then rejected at the customers and require extra switching or the cars cleaned out. The hobo life isn't always as romantic as you might think.
An you still hear RR chatter anymore? I used to be able to, but thought that changed. I used to have a radio and could hear KCS by my house and other lines when traveling.
Awesome video!!! Thanks!
Beans: go to eat.
down south the 707 is an EC1