past 2 years were a blast for Linux *wayland became really good *wine/proton got GOAT level *kde got VRR and HDR -> Linux keeps getting better and better so I dont ever need to go back to Windows
"Wayland only took off in recent years" Remembering the 2012-ish era when Wayland was supposedly coming any month now and completely revolutionize Linux desktop... 😅 But sarcasm aside, it's great we finally got to this point.
As someone already pointed out, the Wayland part of Wine 10 is done only with OpenGL. Vulkan is still missing. And if there is X11/Xwayland and Wayland both available on the system, Wine will still default to Xwaland for said reasons.
These improvements are great, but let's face it. The biggest hurdle at the moment is anti-cheat support and game publisher buy-in. Some are still actively opposing Linux (e.g. EA). This needs to change for Linux to mature as a gaming platform.
Unfortunately, the only way publishers would be on board with it would be to change linux and the environment everything runs on in such a way that you may as well be using windows. They want an owner-controlled (that is, the manufacturer) environment, separate from access the user of the device has. The way every other platform is going. There's no solution to anti-cheat other than changing the culture around gaming fundamentally, or giving up everything else.
@@Aeduo I wouldn't be so sure about that. While this general difference in philosophy between Windows and Linux might be an important factor today, this might be solved with new anti-cheating mechanisms using AI accelerators in the future.
@@seylaw or even just stop using the retarded idea of client side anti cheats just to save a few bucks, it will NEVER work since no matter how intrusive they make it hardware level cheats exist and no one is going make hardware level anticheats. So the whole idea is doomed to fail but they don't care they only use it so they can download some third party software and save some money on making something functional
Wayland support in wine 10 is not enabled by default, and is only "done" for OpenGL, Vulkan support might is ~ . For example i can run most idie games (OpenGL), and i can Dark Souls Remastered but i can't run CS2, the Witcher 3, Muck, Elden Ring, Fall Guys ... natively under Wayland
Support is enabled by default, it's just that X11 is still preferred. If you're one of those madmen without X11 or XWayland, it will use Wayland As you say though, there's good reason for it not being the default yet
What? You can absolutely run every game in wine with native wayland, it only has some minor issues (mouse works only when clicking in rocket league and with proton-tkg the cursor is missing in Elden Ring), but I haven't noticed any issues in gacha games
I'm actually excited for ARM, Wine, and Wayland developments for one simple reason. I want to see Waydroid take off and find its way to Steam. Valve is already messing around with waydroid and FEX presumably for deckard, so I am hoping that Waydroid finds its way to Steam, specifically the Steam Deck because adding official Android support to the Steam Deck (and maybe making it easy to bring to desktop) will open up a whole vector for Valve and Steam to set itself apart from the competition.'
While waydroid is good at app compatability, running a full android system is not a perfect solution. It almost feels like a vm with many probably unnecessary services running in the background just because we're running a full android os. I've more hopes for ATL, a wine like approach to run android apps on linux. It has a long way to go though.
Yes, the last sentence is always especially weird to listen to.. @Michael Horn: Michael, can you skip that "wheereeevoor youa ooooaaaree" etc.? If you are german, it would sound more pleasing if you just do the german accent thing. Your videos in general have a nice flow and appearance, but you kind of over-emphasize on the english pronunciation most of the time, which sounds rather cringe and ruins the experience somewhat. No offense, just my feedback! Thank you and have a nice weekend! o)
Running Wine has been great for the programs I use for school, and I just recently fully switched to Linux and I'm pretty happy with it thus far. Just recently upgraded my PC as well to a AMD RX 7800 XT GPU and a Intel i7 13700KF CPU.
That's kind of what IT support is about. One problem out of 99 users is difficult to solve if it cannot be replicated easily. The wrong approach that many users in forums have however is, to not ask, but just blame the person having the issue
@@Cluxiu Yep I am looking forward to stable (maybe Wine 10.1 or 10.2?), and NTSYNC which is coming in Kernel 6.14. :) Linux is about to close the performance gap against Windows completely.
I've installed Nobara, switching from Linux Mint only because of access to Wayland. Wayland seems to be the way of the future for Linux gaming and since I'm switching to Linux for the first time in almost 8 years I decided I should learn the way gaming will be enabled going forward. I will say, gaming isn't as easy as many Linux influencers like to say it is. You still have to manually choose which proton version to use, know to install proton extenders, learn about and how to use a couple of game launchers beyond just Steam (Lutris and Heroic Game Launcher). The last bit is simply because I own several games on GoG. It's still not normie friendly, but it is leaps and bounds better than what it was. I imagine all this customization is simpler on the Steam Deck, but I like my desktop PC.
@@DS-pk4eh I'd strongly recommend Linux Mint to learn on. Mint has a huge and decades old user base that has detailed solutions to any issues you may encounter. You will probably have very frustrating sound issues initially, getting into the habit of researching on Mint's form and discord, not being afraid to ask questions and such is key. Linux can be a good replacement but there will be problems occasionally that you will have to research and solve yourself. Mint has a snapshot feature that allows you to roll back to before any changes you may make so you don't have to be afraid to use the terminal. I'd recommend having a second pc to learn on or a dual boot setup. Slowly migrating will mean significantly less hair loss :)
I'm quite happy the Wine Wayland driver is where it is now. For a long time, menus were completely broken, and I'm happy that's sorted out. Yes, font rendering isn't exactly the same as the X11 user driver, but the driver is mostly equivalent to X11. Thanks Wine devs!
I was really on Nobara but my two main softwares Davinci and Reaper (Audition tbvf but its alright, also Izotope Plugins) just didnt work without spending hours and hours configuring it, and I had to go back. I really really loved my Nobara GNOME DE and waas practically sobbing while going back to Windows but I hope one day more support is available and I am gonn come back without a thought.
Not sure if it will help with your software as my case is different, but I had some weird issues with Nobara when jumping from windows, certain games would play alright but glitch in the menu or cutscenes were just a black screen. I tried another distro (Garuda) and had no such weird issues since.
@Voo____ I understand this but apparently Audio Plugins are windows first so they are not compatible with Linux over all systems. And the audio software drivers also need a lot of work. It works for gamers coz gamers have a wide network and have figured things out, but voice actors don't have that.
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Just change to KDE. No issues at all, everything works out of the box
@prosetheus The opposite. If you have audio plugins and stuff then please don't. Nobara is good, as you can install Davinci from the home screen itself and Reaper installation was of ease too but Audio Plugins mostly don't work. I went back because I can workaround but my works dependent on it, but I dual boot now :) Nobara Gnome is gorgeous for this
I know if Michael is covering it, then it's gotta be something important. So, I will watch the video and listen to Michael's take on Wine 10. Yes, I did see the Wine 10 announcement online.
I just hope a Wayland enabled WINE will finally fix my few problems left with gaming on Wayland, as fractional scaling is still not perfect for me in gaming
Limux is finally at that point where I've been able to switch over from Windows 7 now. It performs great, everything runs, and what doesn't, WINE is able to. It's honestly incredible where it is at now compared to just a few years ago. Can't wait to see what the future has in store for Linux on the desktop! I've had many attempts at switching to Linux, but I think this time is really it, there's almost no reason to use windows. ofc for the coming months I'm gonna keep my old windows install around just in case.
afaik currently, gamescope (the microcompositor that the steam deck uses) doesn't support wayland clients by default. you have to enable it manually by passing an argument
I switched to Wayland first time a few days ago because I had issues with a couple of my games on X11 and this has actually fixed them, but besides that the overall performance in games has been improved significantly. So maybe I’ll run into some issues with it later, but so far it’s a pretty good ride.
I'm very looking forward to all of these changes. As for the questions about apps/games should be developed natively on Linux: That would be the best possible solution although I understand why some don't want to. As for myself I would appreciate, that the devs would make it possible to run it on Linux using wine. I know that most of them works but I talk about the ones using special anti cheat software that either blocks linux users or on which the devs doesn't enable support for gaming on linux under wine (or proton). That's something which would attract more users to use Linux if they don't want to stick to windows especially for one game that doesn't work on linux.
Slight correction, Wine is not just for Linux. Apple's macOS also uses Wine. The "Game Porting Toolkit" they announced with all that glitz and glamour heralding a new era of Apple gaming at their 2023 presentation? Yeah, it's literally just a repacked Wine with a hefty patch. Apple is actually nice enough to fund some of the development of Wine in return though, so to a small degree we should actually thank Apple for being able to play Windows games on our Linux systems... We've come full circle... And yes, to the one FreeBSD user reading this. I know Wine is also used and functional on FreeBSD.
I use wayland and X, both are nice when everything is working good. My PentiumIII will never run wayland, and my 5950X has been wayland for a year or so now.
Wine and proton is a win win because developers just need to focus on windows. I game on fedora with steam and I barely notice slow downs with the games I play.
in my previous experience, i found that playing dota and csgo on linux is made my fan so busy and noisy and my laptop body become really hot, compared to windows which not even warm.
All the things are starting to align. I wouldn't be surprised if the latency is better than native Windows, especially on AMD. AMD have also made their own contributions to Wayland. People are starting to take Linux seriously.
2:00 so thats why i always hated linux before wayland became a thing, i always could see tearing when dragging windows even with all the fixes and things, i hated it and it always felt as linux is slower than windows (at least graphically)
Struggles? I mean when people run framerate comparisons, Linux emulating windows often beats native windows... It's hardly "struggling" ... the only thing it "struggles" with is Kernel level anti-cheat, which isn't Linux's problem.
@@Xiefux so that's not working with global shortcuts for me, for example cannot use applications like teamspeak, or obs, can use them only when windows is focused on them, and porting through xwayland do not work properly
NTSync is not being used anywhere. Nor wine nor proton is using it. We need to wait a little bit because it is nowhere found any documentation about ntsync on wine. If I am wrong, please correct me in the comments.
It would be awesome if the Windows and Linux versions of Steam could share games on a common partition without needing to update every time one takes over. After building a powerful PC, I've found myself using Windows more often and enjoying it. All my games just work and the OS is nice for UX so I barely log into Linux these days. It would be nice to play games that work on both OS's seamlessly between both OS's.
They can actually. The "updates" are usually shader caches which are still enabled by default on Linux in the Steam settings. This isn't necessary anymore, since it became just as efficient as DirectX shadercaching during gameplay
Great video! And speaking of CS2 (shown much in this video), I hope it's Wayland performance can soon match X on my machine: about 20% faster on X than Wayland. edit: grammar
I can't see Proton coming to macOS and MacBooks (The main Steam launcher is still x86_64 only), but other ARM systems could take advantage of Wine 10's new interface for x86 emulation on ARM.
I'm not an expert and obviously I don't understand something, but I just tried to run Cyberpunk (lutris, gog) on Wyne 10 and on Proton experimental... So... difference sometimes reaching 30fps (way better on Proton)....
Sadly, Wayland never works for me... I try it for 2 minutes and have to switch back to X11 because of issues. From my cursor changing to graphics issues
Honestly, I'm kind of excited honestly. Considering Linux pretty much runs all the games I want to whether natively or through Bottles/Proton, I think I'm going to love seeing what is in store for the upcoming year and just how much better it will all become. Although I have one question which you may or may not know the answer to. Why does it seem like some games work way better in windowed mode versus fullscreen mode? I play Mafia Definitive Edition with the Scripthook trainer and it seems like it doesn't really want to launch when it is in fullscreen mode. But if I were to minimize the game and bring it back up a few times, it seems to start working. However, if I just force the game to use windowed mode all the time, then it works as intended.
Seems this video is focussed on gaming via Wine. I am more interested in getting legacy applications running for users switching from Windows to Linux.
To be honest wine's development goals have been severely derailed by gaming. For the past years most improvements are for gaming. But improvements for regular desktop applications are lagging behind. Unstable Office support is the most annoying. The only app suite that would really make people move to linux, not some games.
acctualy supporting games, is the best way, because games have the most uses of computer features, and getting these computer features being emulated correctly means most software will get its things emulated correctly as well, office runs mostly on browser nowdays, so t should runs on linux just fine i believe.
Ist just depends on who wants to contribute. Gaming is still seen as something more open, like anyone could develop a game, while making a proprietary app run for someone else doesn't really have much appeal
My Arch Linux recently updated to Wine 10 but it broke some games I was running with Lutris that were set to use default wine ..so I had to use proton instead.. so as others pointed out because it's not complete is probably why it broke some games.
Sorry, this is a slight Wine related question. Is Directx the fundamental reason why games don't run on Linux? If so, why don't all game companies just use OpenGl and then release on Windows and Linux? I can't imagine it takes much more testing?
directx is a proprietary API heavily pushed by windows, since most gamers use windows game developers use that. vulkan would be the best choice, but its not used as much.
DirectX offered faster and better integration into Windows and XBOX, and pushed new features way before OpenGL could catch up. Even Vulkan, which is fairly up to date can't always keep up with DirectX's development cycle. But in the end it's the choice of the game developers, what they want to use
Wine 10.0 already released, but the NTSYNC driver is going to be in Kernel 6.14 later this year. But it probably takes another couple of weeks to months (hard to say), until we see them being used properly
FL Studio works perfectly on Wine. The only tweak that you need to do is to set the Windows version in winecfg to Windows 7, otherwise it's completely unusable with the dropdown menus.
I don't have any other competitive games installed unfortunately. It's more about to give some context what competitive means, rather than an actual analysis
Fun fact - some games, which support Linux natively, perform much better as windows version via proton. Maybe it’s just a quirk of my system, but I experienced this many times.
@water_melon_9000 It's mostly about optimization. Just because a game supports Linux natively, does not mean it received the same amount of polish which the DirectX version did. Since Proton is so fast and optimized itself, it can therefore often yield better results
I've heard that very old games tend to run better on Linux because on Windows, a lot of these libraries were not made compatible with recent versions. Depends on the games though
@MichaelNROH I will need to do more experimentation on this then... I know of some old games that used flash for cutscenes, but used something else for the gameplay (Dream Chronicles for example, without flash it just skipped cutscenes).. Thank you for letting me know
NTSync coming in 6.14, Nvidia 570 (dual monitor VRR) beta just dropped and HDR Wayland protocol just got finished. Yeah, we are back.
from what 🙄
@@ph0ebus 😅
Also the screen share is now working in discord. I'm not sure since when but it has to be fairly recent
@@re-gaming3913 Yes, its a pretty new addition. Brodie recently made a video about it
@@re-gaming3913 it worked before then got borked then fixed and now once again it is borked atleqst for me
past 2 years were a blast for Linux
*wayland became really good
*wine/proton got GOAT level
*kde got VRR and HDR
-> Linux keeps getting better and better so I dont ever need to go back to Windows
Now,we just need to fix the issue with kernel level anticheat,and adobe
Gnome and hyprland got VRR too
@@ThePr0_0149Its not even a linux issue at this point its just developers/companies just don't want to support Linux
and HDMI 2.1 on AMD
@@ThePr0_0149 a solution for problem 2:
Ditch Adobe and dont look back
"Wayland only took off in recent years" Remembering the 2012-ish era when Wayland was supposedly coming any month now and completely revolutionize Linux desktop... 😅 But sarcasm aside, it's great we finally got to this point.
@@Case_ yeah I mean is sort of debatable whether not Wayland is actually “ready” still, but at least it’s finally useable as a daily driver
It took Xorg 20 years to solidify itself. So mid-2020s, preferably before Windows 10 dies on Linux would be great for cross-GPU wayland compatibility.
@@phoenixrising4995 Wayland has already been around for almost 20 years though
As someone already pointed out, the Wayland part of Wine 10 is done only with OpenGL. Vulkan is still missing. And if there is X11/Xwayland and Wayland both available on the system, Wine will still default to Xwaland for said reasons.
hey random question but on your videos what fps counter do you use to test desktop smoothness
@@Klusio19 well when proton upgrades to the wine version that supports Wayland ...that will be solved.
Support for Vulkan (Wine 9.0) in the Wayland driver came before OpenGL (Wine 10.0), so I'm not sure what you mean by this.
@@luispaulino4380they mean what they said. The Wayland driver in wine isn't Vulkan, it's opengl.
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Future is LINUX!
Hell yeah
Definitely! MS can take a hike with their overbloated, infested spyware called Windows 11.
no its not, linux is a cancer on software
@@Kerojey is a cancer on software" lmao
These improvements are great, but let's face it. The biggest hurdle at the moment is anti-cheat support and game publisher buy-in. Some are still actively opposing Linux (e.g. EA). This needs to change for Linux to mature as a gaming platform.
Unfortunately, the only way publishers would be on board with it would be to change linux and the environment everything runs on in such a way that you may as well be using windows. They want an owner-controlled (that is, the manufacturer) environment, separate from access the user of the device has. The way every other platform is going. There's no solution to anti-cheat other than changing the culture around gaming fundamentally, or giving up everything else.
@@Aeduo I wouldn't be so sure about that. While this general difference in philosophy between Windows and Linux might be an important factor today, this might be solved with new anti-cheating mechanisms using AI accelerators in the future.
@@seylaw or even just stop using the retarded idea of client side anti cheats just to save a few bucks, it will NEVER work since no matter how intrusive they make it hardware level cheats exist and no one is going make hardware level anticheats. So the whole idea is doomed to fail but they don't care they only use it so they can download some third party software and save some money on making something functional
Cheers, on the wine ....
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I don't use Steam for all(most) of my games, instead I use GOG and Epic. But I respect Valve a lot for Proton.
If Linux can get an x86 to ARM translation about as good as Apple's Rosetta 2, ARM laptops and handhelds would be AMAZING
I think FEX is getting there. I could be wrong about that.
x86box does a good job. But it'll never get as good, as the Apple ARM chips have specific instructions meant to speed up x86->ARM translation.
Linux is using arm before Apple
@@SuperFranzs the speed isn't as much of a concern, its more the compatibility
Wayland support in wine 10 is not enabled by default, and is only "done" for OpenGL, Vulkan support might is ~ . For example i can run most idie games (OpenGL), and i can Dark Souls Remastered but i can't run CS2, the Witcher 3, Muck, Elden Ring, Fall Guys ... natively under Wayland
CS2 linux client has native wayland support
Support is enabled by default, it's just that X11 is still preferred. If you're one of those madmen without X11 or XWayland, it will use Wayland
As you say though, there's good reason for it not being the default yet
Yes
What? You can absolutely run every game in wine with native wayland, it only has some minor issues (mouse works only when clicking in rocket league and with proton-tkg the cursor is missing in Elden Ring), but I haven't noticed any issues in gacha games
@@Kamion008Gacha games? And here I thought most of them were hell to run on Linux. At least Arknights is supposed to be.
I'm actually excited for ARM, Wine, and Wayland developments for one simple reason.
I want to see Waydroid take off and find its way to Steam. Valve is already messing around with waydroid and FEX presumably for deckard, so I am hoping that Waydroid finds its way to Steam, specifically the Steam Deck because adding official Android support to the Steam Deck (and maybe making it easy to bring to desktop) will open up a whole vector for Valve and Steam to set itself apart from the competition.'
While waydroid is good at app compatability, running a full android system is not a perfect solution. It almost feels like a vm with many probably unnecessary services running in the background just because we're running a full android os. I've more hopes for ATL, a wine like approach to run android apps on linux. It has a long way to go though.
Yeah running a whole Android side by side with Linux would drain a lot of battery
You don't need to have waydroid running when its not in use though...
That quite cool that Wine & Wayland continues to be better and better!
Thanks for the news!
As someone who decided that this is this the year of Linux for me, things just keep getting better and it’s great!
Welcome aboard!
Happy to hear that
Wine on ARM are big news!
If the project touches android comunity, may have a big growth!
When this guy talks its like a roller coaster going up and down
Yes, the last sentence is always especially weird to listen to..
@Michael Horn: Michael, can you skip that "wheereeevoor youa ooooaaaree" etc.? If you are german, it would sound more pleasing if you just do the german accent thing. Your videos in general have a nice flow and appearance, but you kind of over-emphasize on the english pronunciation most of the time, which sounds rather cringe and ruins the experience somewhat. No offense, just my feedback! Thank you and have a nice weekend! o)
Running Wine has been great for the programs I use for school, and I just recently fully switched to Linux and I'm pretty happy with it thus far. Just recently upgraded my PC as well to a AMD RX 7800 XT GPU and a Intel i7 13700KF CPU.
Awesome! Shout out to the open source communities, you guys are heros
I don’t get the mindset of some people if you ask for help with a problem that they tell you “most people don’t have it”. Cool for them, but I do ffs.
That's kind of what IT support is about. One problem out of 99 users is difficult to solve if it cannot be replicated easily.
The wrong approach that many users in forums have however is, to not ask, but just blame the person having the issue
Last year I switched to linux in october and it was the best thing I ever did
My dream is to run autocad through wine
Capture One for me...
Why not use the open source version it's good. Cadone or something like that, it's on flathub
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I hope that the steam/steamdeck developers see how important these changes are and drop proton 10.0 asap
I'm glad about the improved arm support!
Wine 10 is concerning for me because it makes games crash for me while they still work in Wine 8. But it'll get stable with time.
@@MyAmazingUsername still early brother
@@Cluxiu Yep I am looking forward to stable (maybe Wine 10.1 or 10.2?), and NTSYNC which is coming in Kernel 6.14. :) Linux is about to close the performance gap against Windows completely.
@@MyAmazingUsername The future of linux is bright, can't wait man! :D
It get's more stable when such issues are reported, so they can get fixed.
I've installed Nobara, switching from Linux Mint only because of access to Wayland. Wayland seems to be the way of the future for Linux gaming and since I'm switching to Linux for the first time in almost 8 years I decided I should learn the way gaming will be enabled going forward.
I will say, gaming isn't as easy as many Linux influencers like to say it is. You still have to manually choose which proton version to use, know to install proton extenders, learn about and how to use a couple of game launchers beyond just Steam (Lutris and Heroic Game Launcher). The last bit is simply because I own several games on GoG.
It's still not normie friendly, but it is leaps and bounds better than what it was. I imagine all this customization is simpler on the Steam Deck, but I like my desktop PC.
Thanks for sharing. This was very useful since I plan to move away from Windows 10 to avoid WIndows 11
@@DS-pk4eh I'd strongly recommend Linux Mint to learn on. Mint has a huge and decades old user base that has detailed solutions to any issues you may encounter. You will probably have very frustrating sound issues initially, getting into the habit of researching on Mint's form and discord, not being afraid to ask questions and such is key. Linux can be a good replacement but there will be problems occasionally that you will have to research and solve yourself.
Mint has a snapshot feature that allows you to roll back to before any changes you may make so you don't have to be afraid to use the terminal.
I'd recommend having a second pc to learn on or a dual boot setup. Slowly migrating will mean significantly less hair loss :)
I'm quite happy the Wine Wayland driver is where it is now. For a long time, menus were completely broken, and I'm happy that's sorted out. Yes, font rendering isn't exactly the same as the X11 user driver, but the driver is mostly equivalent to X11. Thanks Wine devs!
I was really on Nobara but my two main softwares Davinci and Reaper (Audition tbvf but its alright, also Izotope Plugins) just didnt work without spending hours and hours configuring it, and I had to go back. I really really loved my Nobara GNOME DE and waas practically sobbing while going back to Windows but I hope one day more support is available and I am gonn come back without a thought.
Not sure if it will help with your software as my case is different, but I had some weird issues with Nobara when jumping from windows, certain games would play alright but glitch in the menu or cutscenes were just a black screen. I tried another distro (Garuda) and had no such weird issues since.
@Voo____ I understand this but apparently Audio Plugins are windows first so they are not compatible with Linux over all systems. And the audio software drivers also need a lot of work. It works for gamers coz gamers have a wide network and have figured things out, but voice actors don't have that.
Just change to KDE. No issues at all, everything works out of the box
@@epppyyy hey! What distro would you recommend for running Resolve and Reaper? Really want to quit windows.
@prosetheus The opposite. If you have audio plugins and stuff then please don't. Nobara is good, as you can install Davinci from the home screen itself and Reaper installation was of ease too but Audio Plugins mostly don't work. I went back because I can workaround but my works dependent on it, but I dual boot now :)
Nobara Gnome is gorgeous for this
I know if Michael is covering it, then it's gotta be something important. So, I will watch the video and listen to Michael's take on Wine 10. Yes, I did see the Wine 10 announcement online.
I just hope a Wayland enabled WINE will finally fix my few problems left with gaming on Wayland, as fractional scaling is still not perfect for me in gaming
wine native on wayland wäre insane
1:36 Wine which isnt an emulator btw!! he said it he said it 😂😂😂😂
I'm still looking for my video-editor working with wine.
I sleep.
Well... im keeping one eye open.
Ive havent seen someone who supports windows after windows 11 came out. Interesting.
@Crust_Crease Lets change that 🔥
Limux is finally at that point where I've been able to switch over from Windows 7 now. It performs great, everything runs, and what doesn't, WINE is able to. It's honestly incredible where it is at now compared to just a few years ago. Can't wait to see what the future has in store for Linux on the desktop!
I've had many attempts at switching to Linux, but I think this time is really it, there's almost no reason to use windows. ofc for the coming months I'm gonna keep my old windows install around just in case.
If you told me wayland is going to be the standard a couple of years ago i wouldn't have believed you
Don't hold your breath.
afaik currently, gamescope (the microcompositor that the steam deck uses) doesn't support wayland clients by default. you have to enable it manually by passing an argument
I switched to Wayland first time a few days ago because I had issues with a couple of my games on X11 and this has actually fixed them, but besides that the overall performance in games has been improved significantly. So maybe I’ll run into some issues with it later, but so far it’s a pretty good ride.
"especially for competitive one--"
Don't give me hope.
6:22 That is an old screenshot. Linux market share is now down from 4.55% in Aug 2024 to 4.13% in Dec 2024 😢.
Thanks to the woke mob.
@@lusa3002 as much as i hate woke people, what does this have to do with them?
@@lusa3002 what does this even mean?
@@lusa3002 bro is washed 😭
@maggiethegamer1271
Just look at the problems on OpenSuse.
Roblox on their way to patch this due to 'exploits'
Vulkan is painfully slow on Wayland, so I switched back to X11.
Great video. Exciting news. I love how linux gaming becomes better over time. That's the power of open source.
Couldn't agree more
I wished for a linux in the smartphone as well 😮
whos gonna tell him
its called andriod
Dude, Android is literally a Linux distro.
there's android and some traditional mobile distros like postmarket os
If you mean like the Desktop ones, then there are a couple of distros.
PostmarketOS for example, but device support is challenging
using wine 10.0 right now and it's great
I'm very looking forward to all of these changes. As for the questions about apps/games should be developed natively on Linux: That would be the best possible solution although I understand why some don't want to. As for myself I would appreciate, that the devs would make it possible to run it on Linux using wine. I know that most of them works but I talk about the ones using special anti cheat software that either blocks linux users or on which the devs doesn't enable support for gaming on linux under wine (or proton). That's something which would attract more users to use Linux if they don't want to stick to windows especially for one game that doesn't work on linux.
Slight correction, Wine is not just for Linux. Apple's macOS also uses Wine. The "Game Porting Toolkit" they announced with all that glitz and glamour heralding a new era of Apple gaming at their 2023 presentation? Yeah, it's literally just a repacked Wine with a hefty patch. Apple is actually nice enough to fund some of the development of Wine in return though, so to a small degree we should actually thank Apple for being able to play Windows games on our Linux systems... We've come full circle...
And yes, to the one FreeBSD user reading this. I know Wine is also used and functional on FreeBSD.
Awesome 👌
I use wayland and X, both are nice when everything is working good. My PentiumIII will never run wayland, and my 5950X has been wayland for a year or so now.
Wait what? Your pentium 3 can run a desktop environment???
@TheCommunistRabbit I'm using DWM on OpenBSD
@@TheCommunistRabbit Maybe an older DE, or something very simple.
Wine is improving quickly.
The pacing increased massively
O la la, I think I'm ready for wayland. 2025 is the year of the penguin for sure
Wine and proton is a win win because developers just need to focus on windows. I game on fedora with steam and I barely notice slow downs with the games I play.
Damn we're so close to linux being worth it
in my previous experience, i found that playing dota and csgo on linux is made my fan so busy and noisy and my laptop body become really hot, compared to windows which not even warm.
Wish general software compatibility would improve. Not everyone plays games.
All the things are starting to align. I wouldn't be surprised if the latency is better than native Windows, especially on AMD. AMD have also made their own contributions to Wayland. People are starting to take Linux seriously.
@MichaelNROH Excelente tus videos, ojalá este se puede subir con el audio en Español para q llegue a más público hispano
Gracias y saludos
i wish X11 got the kind of love wayland does.
I always wanted to be able to run documents with VBA macro's, are we there yet? That would truly free me from M$
I only use windows on my main because i need visual studio. This is a great welcome if this works well.
2:00 so thats why i always hated linux before wayland became a thing, i always could see tearing when dragging windows even with all the fixes and things, i hated it and it always felt as linux is slower than windows (at least graphically)
Does Wine have a native PipeWire driver?
2025, Linux still struggles to display image on monitor
But windows is lowering software quality every second
Who will win?
Just use x11
Struggles? I mean when people run framerate comparisons, Linux emulating windows often beats native windows... It's hardly "struggling" ... the only thing it "struggles" with is Kernel level anti-cheat, which isn't Linux's problem.
That is if you can get it working at all.
WINE is one of the biggest commonly used dependency hell messes in Linux.
It is the distilled essence of Linux. When it works it works great. Nothing is more Linux than that.
@@petersilva037 yeah I saw on this video this teleportations on the screen. Framerate will be higher without composing at all
2025 is linux year
I just want Photoshop support...
Wayland is unusable for me, until global key shortcuts will work
they do work, you just gotta enable it in settings. in KDE its under legaxy X11 app support
Should i pick option always? Because i have it enabled but not on always but one above
@@wilk85 I have it on the above one too
@@Xiefux so that's not working with global shortcuts for me, for example cannot use applications like teamspeak, or obs, can use them only when windows is focused on them, and porting through xwayland do not work properly
@@wilk85 works for me, idk what to say
2:09 no wonder linux always feel sticky for me
This sounds very interesting.
Will photoshop finally work on the damn thing 🙄
What GPU do you use for Linux gaming?
Will it let me run Clip Studio Paint without a problem in Linux?
That is legit the one thing keeping me in win10
NTSync is not being used anywhere.
Nor wine nor proton is using it.
We need to wait a little bit because it is nowhere found any documentation about ntsync on wine.
If I am wrong, please correct me in the comments.
GE-Proton uses it but not official as far as I know.
Well it would have needed a patched kernel up until now
@@kit5849 are you sure? GE proton is based on wine staging and wine staging doesn't have ntsync merged.
Under Linux HDR (Wayland) i missing still Color Correction i hope this feature come back as fast as possible....
It would be awesome if the Windows and Linux versions of Steam could share games on a common partition without needing to update every time one takes over. After building a powerful PC, I've found myself using Windows more often and enjoying it. All my games just work and the OS is nice for UX so I barely log into Linux these days. It would be nice to play games that work on both OS's seamlessly between both OS's.
They can actually. The "updates" are usually shader caches which are still enabled by default on Linux in the Steam settings.
This isn't necessary anymore, since it became just as efficient as DirectX shadercaching during gameplay
Great video! And speaking of CS2 (shown much in this video), I hope it's Wayland performance can soon match X on my machine: about 20% faster on X than Wayland.
edit: grammar
I haven't actually checked what CS2 uses, given it's a native game. I think Steam itself still uses X11
ill switch to wayland whenever screen tearing works with my nvidia card (never)
i really want proton to support ARM so we can get proper games for MacBook and ARM laptops
I can't see Proton coming to macOS and MacBooks (The main Steam launcher is still x86_64 only), but other ARM systems could take advantage of Wine 10's new interface for x86 emulation on ARM.
"the next release", its already released.
I'm not an expert and obviously I don't understand something, but I just tried to run Cyberpunk (lutris, gog) on Wyne 10 and on Proton experimental... So... difference sometimes reaching 30fps (way better on Proton)....
Sadly, Wayland never works for me...
I try it for 2 minutes and have to switch back to X11 because of issues.
From my cursor changing to graphics issues
Nice to see Linux coming out of Early Access :D
Honestly, I'm kind of excited honestly. Considering Linux pretty much runs all the games I want to whether natively or through Bottles/Proton, I think I'm going to love seeing what is in store for the upcoming year and just how much better it will all become. Although I have one question which you may or may not know the answer to. Why does it seem like some games work way better in windowed mode versus fullscreen mode? I play Mafia Definitive Edition with the Scripthook trainer and it seems like it doesn't really want to launch when it is in fullscreen mode. But if I were to minimize the game and bring it back up a few times, it seems to start working. However, if I just force the game to use windowed mode all the time, then it works as intended.
wayland still breaks far more often than X
Seems this video is focussed on gaming via Wine. I am more interested in getting legacy applications running for users switching from Windows to Linux.
To be honest wine's development goals have been severely derailed by gaming. For the past years most improvements are for gaming. But improvements for regular desktop applications are lagging behind. Unstable Office support is the most annoying. The only app suite that would really make people move to linux, not some games.
acctualy supporting games, is the best way, because games have the most uses of computer features, and getting these computer features being emulated correctly means most software will get its things emulated correctly as well, office runs mostly on browser nowdays, so t should runs on linux just fine i believe.
Ist just depends on who wants to contribute. Gaming is still seen as something more open, like anyone could develop a game, while making a proprietary app run for someone else doesn't really have much appeal
I'm sticking to xorg until suckless moves dwm to it.. So never..
My Arch Linux recently updated to Wine 10 but it broke some games I was running with Lutris that were set to use default wine ..so I had to use proton instead.. so as others pointed out because it's not complete is probably why it broke some games.
Sorry, this is a slight Wine related question. Is Directx the fundamental reason why games don't run on Linux? If so, why don't all game companies just use OpenGl and then release on Windows and Linux? I can't imagine it takes much more testing?
directx is a proprietary API heavily pushed by windows, since most gamers use windows game developers use that. vulkan would be the best choice, but its not used as much.
DirectX offered faster and better integration into Windows and XBOX, and pushed new features way before OpenGL could catch up.
Even Vulkan, which is fairly up to date can't always keep up with DirectX's development cycle.
But in the end it's the choice of the game developers, what they want to use
Why would Wine 10.0 help professional CS on Linux if CS is native Linux binary?
Hi nice video.
Is there a way to get win 10 on batocara running? Over Flatpack or something else?
when are all of these changes going to be implemented?
I am planning on starting to dual boot Linux around March of this year
Wine 10.0 already released, but the NTSYNC driver is going to be in Kernel 6.14 later this year.
But it probably takes another couple of weeks to months (hard to say), until we see them being used properly
I'll jump to linux untill wine runs FL Studio and thirdparty plugins smoothly
Wine runs FL Studio. You may try your specific plugins and see yourself
@@SunPodder FL runs basically perfectly, it's the third party plugins that are the struggle in this one.
FL Studio works perfectly on Wine. The only tweak that you need to do is to set the Windows version in winecfg to Windows 7, otherwise it's completely unusable with the dropdown menus.
Isn't CounterStrike2 native on Linux? What does it have to do with Wine or proton?
Bro just likes showing of his sniper skillz
I don't have any other competitive games installed unfortunately. It's more about to give some context what competitive means, rather than an actual analysis
Fun fact - some games, which support Linux natively, perform much better as windows version via proton. Maybe it’s just a quirk of my system, but I experienced this many times.
@water_melon_9000 It's mostly about optimization. Just because a game supports Linux natively, does not mean it received the same amount of polish which the DirectX version did. Since Proton is so fast and optimized itself, it can therefore often yield better results
Wine 10 is really nice :)
Snapdragon 8 elite supported ?
5:24 if you came from the title:
i hope this means we'll be able to use steam remote play easily!
Hasn't this always been working? I've used it a couple of times
I dunno what this guy like more? Linux or his own face
but what does this mean for OW2 and linux
Can it run ms office 2021?
Great 😃
I wonder if Wine works with really old games like The Sims 2
I've heard that very old games tend to run better on Linux because on Windows, a lot of these libraries were not made compatible with recent versions. Depends on the games though
@MichaelNROH I will need to do more experimentation on this then... I know of some old games that used flash for cutscenes, but used something else for the gameplay (Dream Chronicles for example, without flash it just skipped cutscenes).. Thank you for letting me know