4:15 The reason to make an extreme (imo) is to use gimmicks, click patterns, aesthetic timings, ect that you just can't get away with on any other difficulty. For instance, New Record has 7-8 cps controlled spam for large sections of it, you just can't really do that for an insane or lower. There are also Rust's double clicks, sync parts in stuff like void wave, and even the straight flys (straight flights?) in bloodbath. Those are all gimmicks unique to extremes because that's the only difficulty they can be appropriately balanced and fun. Full disclosure: amateur layout maker and not an extreme player
Upside to extremes: There is much more objects on the screen so you can focus on block design instead of the backround without making it core. There are also a lot of different gameplay gimmicks that are too hard to not be in an extreme
Something that helps me making layouts is the fact that for extremes nerfing very slightly makes a lot of difference in the difficulty, so instead of like nerfing the wave part by 2 small spaces one might have been fine.
Just as a little bit of advice, when building the gameplay don't worry too much about the balancing because as long as the flow of the level itself is good, playtesters will fix up the balancing in the end. That is assuming you get playtesters (hopefully)
this looks incredibly fun to play tbh and i think you are doubting yourself way too much. not every extreme needs to have every click perfectly balanced and nerfing can also come later. i also think making an extreme really opens one's mind in terms of gp options especially for easier levels. extremes are just cool to make because it's satisfying when you can pull them off
Random ideas if you want to either hate urself or make the level harder, - You could make some swing ufo/swing robot parts, both can make levels interesting, - Mini wave + dash orbs at off/weird wave angles, - Have a section where you have to avoid portals - like a ship/wave/ufo section where you avoid robot/cube/mirror/gravity portals, - Asymmetrical dual that focuses on cross pathways for a mini and normal icons - so one path is always mini and the other is always for large icons,
As a person with a crippling addiction to extremes, I think you're worrying a bit too much about the balancing right now. maybe it's different for a solo level, but usually people balance levels after they have been built, not while. Some are insanely hard to start off, some are unbalanced, some are easy, but they all get tinkered with to become an extreme in the end. Heck, the first copy of Astral divinity was a 4 star. In fact, almost all of his extremes start off as 4 star levels! Don't get me wrong, it can be really annoying when something just doesn't feel right, that urge to just change it. but it's kinda like writing an essay, you don't edit at first, you just write and edit later. Maybe that might help make the gameplay better because you won't be constantly worried about it and it could take some pressure off? idfk it's just a theory of mine ok I'm gonna go play more unnerfed paracosm circles bye
okay the first song brought back so many memories. it's either the check mii out channel or the everybody votes channel from the wii. so many memories just flooded back, and it's an absolute BOP
@@Wulzy absolute BANGER! good luck with the level btw! i'm not much of a gd player but i like watching creative work so it's cool to see it in this game
I feel your pain man, when making an extreme demon but just me trying to make a level on my phone. Yeah. Pain... Hope this series still goes on. Good luck!
Wulzy this extrem is so cool! I love how flowy and how it transitions from game mode to game mode. The high click per second parts remind me of wasureta, so i want to say that i really like the repeating click patterns. Good luck!
Green orb timings could help consistency and click patterns! Fun to see you building and also the crazy ride it's been. Hopefully one of these days I'll get to finally put in a level request for one of mu own levels, as I learn from the best!
this is classic wulzy gameplay, kinda remembers me of your old gameplay from a year ago, i find that cool that you experiment with gameplay a bit:) making difficult gameplay has always been my motivation of bulding and i hope you can understand why lol. anywyas great vid as always :)
Btw fun fact : if you use a pad or orb in such a way that the ball hits a ceiling, it will normally lose all momentum and fall downwards. But if you buffer, the ball will stick to the ceiling instead. You can only change gravity if you're in contact with the ground. When you hit the ceiling, you are touching the ground, so the game allows you to switch the gravity. You could use that for the gameplay. Another wacky thing: orbs don't add or subtract your momentum, they set it to a specific value. That means you can, for example, touch a red pad, and right afterwards a pink orb, it will cancel the boost of the red pad and you won't get launched far.
other tip off of neigefu's, you can probably scale down a speed portal as long as you have a 1.0x scaled speed portal invisibly on top of it. You can also turn on show hitboxes in the editor to see where the speed portal hitbox matches with the scaled down hitbox
Pro tip; Have a few friends test out your level. It's always better to have a different perspective on your level, because like you said, there's things you're good at and things you're bad at. This strategy has helped me quite a few times with layouts.
I've always tried to build layouts like Wulzy, cause I'd always watch his vids and see him knock one out in 30 minutes whereas I would spend hours on one part and usually end up deleting it. Difference always was I build extremes and he doesn't, so this series is kind of relieving.
woah wulzy! this is looking pretty epic so far! I also wanna ask if you could try to implement some swingcopter gameplay in this level maybe? as a big fan pf swingcopter I find that usually swingcopter parts are only like 2 seconds long and require like 3 clicks lol so it'd be nice if you could make a swingcopter that's a bit longer doesn't really have to be in this level but since you're in the process of making the layout I figured I'd ask keep up the banger videos and have a good day!
Add black orbs and square orbs for the ufo, the black orbs is so you don't hit them and if you do you die, for timings, and square orbs for more clicks, it won't boost up the ufo since the square orb doesn't to anything than just toggle things.
simple tip, but an important one: sometimes if you want to have a really hard but interesting and unique timing you can 100% just put a buffer click before it. that makes it more consistent and fun sometimes i just really hate it because in extreme demons every click is a different timing, but sometimes its better to have a buffer or something. firework is a great example, its a top 3 demon and has these random buffers that make the level consistent and fun
I remember you when I created my first Extreme, was all wave and I couldn't pass it, and even if i nerfed the slightest, it would become Insane or Hard, the click pattern helps a lot, but only if you're consistent, and that's what I think you should think about. It's not about the clicks , it's about consistency
That noise when he did the wave was unexpected 🤣 I love your content wulzy I'ma definitely send you some money when I get paid because your one of my favorite TH-camr besides juniper and VanossGaming
This just shows me how hard it is to build a good but challenging Extreme Demon, I'm really interested to see the progress on this level throughout the next few videos :D
for the robot part with the weird block pattern, u gave me an idea. u said that its wonky then flattens out. so make the robot structure transform with move triggers like steps. then use move triggers to straighten out the rest
![My Extreme Demon Layout is FINALLY FINISHED [#3]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7RzZ7gH223o/mqdefault.jpg)
![My Extreme Demon Layout is FINALLY FINISHED [#3]](/img/tr.png)
This series is such a roller coaster of emotions lol
THAT WAS ALMOST THE TITLE
hi brainetr
@@Wulzy Lmaoo
true...
chese
4:15 The reason to make an extreme (imo) is to use gimmicks, click patterns, aesthetic timings, ect that you just can't get away with on any other difficulty. For instance, New Record has 7-8 cps controlled spam for large sections of it, you just can't really do that for an insane or lower. There are also Rust's double clicks, sync parts in stuff like void wave, and even the straight flys (straight flights?) in bloodbath. Those are all gimmicks unique to extremes because that's the only difficulty they can be appropriately balanced and fun.
Full disclosure: amateur layout maker and not an extreme player
i was joking when i said that but you are speaking facts
ratio
Wow
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Why are people saying ratio and based on everything
Wulzy's slow descent into insanity making an extreme will be... quite interesting lol
*descent
@@deadeyed2454 thanks grammar guardian
@@wjp913 *spelling
@@deadeyed2454 lmao
@@deadeyed2454 lolllll
Upside to extremes: There is much more objects on the screen so you can focus on block design instead of the backround without making it core. There are also a lot of different gameplay gimmicks that are too hard to not be in an extreme
Legs
And memory, a lot of memory
There are two paths you can take when making something difficult
The Golden (click sync)
Tartarus (just make it hard bro)
Tartarus was made from an impossible level to be fair
i always make click-synced layouts, i really like them
@@inseminggd9435 and if I did one of them then I would quit 5 seconds making the layout
If i were making a difficult level, i would choose both
@@mimic7554 I wouldn't sinc
I think adding in second breaks or dash orbs might help with the monotony of the click patterns
During the robot at 8:00 it looks like you can skip the black and blue orb by just ignoring them and doing a mini-jump
He'll just probably fix it the next video of the series
Nice catch
It’s so cool to see the process of making an extreme demon and how difficult it might be, I’m so excited for the next part!!
Something that helps me making layouts is the fact that for extremes nerfing very slightly makes a lot of difference in the difficulty, so instead of like nerfing the wave part by 2 small spaces one might have been fine.
4:28 Wave parts do that. They are always too easy or too hard lol.
Nerf it one pixel, it becomes easy, buff it one pixel, it becomes hell incarnate
@@tekkstorm genuinely feel like it might be placebo tbh
Ayo
this actually looks really cool so far, SO much better than your other attempt
Tip: just make the level and get other people to playtest it and they can balance it to the difficulty u want
Just as a little bit of advice, when building the gameplay don't worry too much about the balancing because as long as the flow of the level itself is good, playtesters will fix up the balancing in the end. That is assuming you get playtesters (hopefully)
Honestly for me making extremes is really fun. Pushing what you think is possible is also fun
this looks incredibly fun to play tbh and i think you are doubting yourself way too much. not every extreme needs to have every click perfectly balanced and nerfing can also come later. i also think making an extreme really opens one's mind in terms of gp options especially for easier levels. extremes are just cool to make because it's satisfying when you can pull them off
I'm always happy when Wulzy uploads. Thanks for inspiring me to start creating levels
Random ideas if you want to either hate urself or make the level harder,
- You could make some swing ufo/swing robot parts, both can make levels interesting,
- Mini wave + dash orbs at off/weird wave angles,
- Have a section where you have to avoid portals - like a ship/wave/ufo section where you avoid robot/cube/mirror/gravity portals,
- Asymmetrical dual that focuses on cross pathways for a mini and normal icons - so one path is always mini and the other is always for large icons,
As a person with a crippling addiction to extremes, I think you're worrying a bit too much about the balancing right now. maybe it's different for a solo level, but usually people balance levels after they have been built, not while. Some are insanely hard to start off, some are unbalanced, some are easy, but they all get tinkered with to become an extreme in the end. Heck, the first copy of Astral divinity was a 4 star. In fact, almost all of his extremes start off as 4 star levels!
Don't get me wrong, it can be really annoying when something just doesn't feel right, that urge to just change it. but it's kinda like writing an essay, you don't edit at first, you just write and edit later. Maybe that might help make the gameplay better because you won't be constantly worried about it and it could take some pressure off? idfk it's just a theory of mine ok I'm gonna go play more unnerfed paracosm circles bye
okay the first song brought back so many memories. it's either the check mii out channel or the everybody votes channel from the wii. so many memories just flooded back, and it's an absolute BOP
Check Mii Out!
@@Wulzy absolute BANGER! good luck with the level btw! i'm not much of a gd player but i like watching creative work so it's cool to see it in this game
I can't wait for this level to be finished. Great job so far Wulzy :0
6:50 the Mario song in the background syncs with the level😌
TYSM! I didnt know you could do that with the trail and this makes my life so much easier!
I feel your pain man, when making an extreme demon but just me trying to make a level on my phone. Yeah. Pain... Hope this series still goes on. Good luck!
Wulzy slowly going insane bruh. Also, gl on making all this. You got my like and sub
Wow it looks so fun so far good job :)
4:04 wulzy singing the song at the near end of mr incredible becoming canny stages is the best thing ever
Wulzy this extrem is so cool! I love how flowy and how it transitions from game mode to game mode. The high click per second parts remind me of wasureta, so i want to say that i really like the repeating click patterns. Good luck!
this is very entertaining to watch. so far, the sync is PHENOMENAL
Green orb timings could help consistency and click patterns! Fun to see you building and also the crazy ride it's been. Hopefully one of these days I'll get to finally put in a level request for one of mu own levels, as I learn from the best!
this is classic wulzy gameplay, kinda remembers me of your old gameplay from a year ago, i find that cool that you experiment with gameplay a bit:) making difficult gameplay has always been my motivation of bulding and i hope you can understand why lol. anywyas great vid as always :)
Honestly This looks super satisfying to play for an extreme so good on you Wulzy :)
I'd love to see you add a dual to this! It could make things much different going forward
I absolutely love this project!
“Simple dimple whizzle dizzle”
- Wulzy 2022
Im very excited for this to come out! Not only is it good, but it will be another beginner extreme!
Btw fun fact : if you use a pad or orb in such a way that the ball hits a ceiling, it will normally lose all momentum and fall downwards. But if you buffer, the ball will stick to the ceiling instead.
You can only change gravity if you're in contact with the ground. When you hit the ceiling, you are touching the ground, so the game allows you to switch the gravity. You could use that for the gameplay.
Another wacky thing: orbs don't add or subtract your momentum, they set it to a specific value. That means you can, for example, touch a red pad, and right afterwards a pink orb, it will cancel the boost of the red pad and you won't get launched far.
Woahhh it’s wulzy, ohhhh that makes me smile :)
Me,a newbie who cant beat the easiest song: “i like your funny words magic man”
4:04 mr incredible becoming canny 2nd last phase
This is a pretty cool idea, excited for how it's gonna turn out
other tip off of neigefu's, you can probably scale down a speed portal as long as you have a 1.0x scaled speed portal invisibly on top of it. You can also turn on show hitboxes in the editor to see where the speed portal hitbox matches with the scaled down hitbox
the rythm on the clicks is just... glorious
WOW this is soo flipping cool wulzy like this bro!!!!! Keep it up!
i love it when wulzy randomly gets excited and says this is the beat
“Don’t slow down speed portals”
The best editing advice I’ve ever been given.
as someone who has no experience building, I'm confused but enjoying this
Can't wait for Wulzy to start yelling instead of saying "have a good day" at the end of the video
I. Love. This. Series!
Pro tip;
Have a few friends test out your level. It's always better to have a different perspective on your level, because like you said, there's things you're good at and things you're bad at. This strategy has helped me quite a few times with layouts.
1:01 i never thought I'd hear wulzy say "nice and _exquisite_ "
This is very enjoyable to watch. I love watching building videos.
I've always tried to build layouts like Wulzy, cause I'd always watch his vids and see him knock one out in 30 minutes whereas I would spend hours on one part and usually end up deleting it. Difference always was I build extremes and he doesn't, so this series is kind of relieving.
Woah, what a cool layout wulz!
This really is the beat ngl
woah wulzy! this is looking pretty epic so far! I also wanna ask if you could try to implement some swingcopter gameplay in this level maybe? as a big fan pf swingcopter I find that usually swingcopter parts are only like 2 seconds long and require like 3 clicks lol
so it'd be nice if you could make a swingcopter that's a bit longer
doesn't really have to be in this level but since you're in the process of making the layout I figured I'd ask
keep up the banger videos and have a good day!
Yo this level looks 🔥
Can't wait to play it when it's done!
Wulzy making extreme demons be like: 😀🙁😃😫
Add black orbs and square orbs for the ufo, the black orbs is so you don't hit them and if you do you die, for timings, and square orbs for more clicks, it won't boost up the ufo since the square orb doesn't to anything than just toggle things.
can't wait for 69k special
simple tip, but an important one: sometimes if you want to have a really hard but interesting and unique timing you can 100% just put a buffer click before it. that makes it more consistent and fun
sometimes i just really hate it because in extreme demons every click is a different timing, but sometimes its better to have a buffer or something. firework is a great example, its a top 3 demon and has these random buffers that make the level consistent and fun
I remember you when I created my first Extreme, was all wave and I couldn't pass it, and even if i nerfed the slightest, it would become Insane or Hard, the click pattern helps a lot, but only if you're consistent, and that's what I think you should think about. It's not about the clicks , it's about consistency
honestly this channel have recreated my love for gd and also I will try to learn make levels as well
im so happy you haven't forgotten about this yet
I’m supposed to be doing math right now..
I am way out of the extreme demon skill range but my first extreme is gonna be yours, wulzy
Why is your name so long... Also same
@@Josh-On-Top69 for fun
@@ItzYeetus omg it's so long...
I'm waiting...
@@Josh-On-Top69 That's what no one said because the jokes overused
@@Shums5205 yeah... I'm sorry
There's also a player trail setting in hitboxes that will definitely come in handy
2 scenarios:
1. you better create simple levels, Wulzy
2. You will create an extreme demon, with a unique GP.
WOAH, this series is great!!
This looks SO FUN OMG
definitely loved the click pattern part
Imagine this get smoothed out and decorated 😍😍
Just when we thought Wulzy was at his lowest low, he made more extreme demon gp.
4:04 : great humming music bro!!!
YESSSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS NEXT EPISODE
4:04
This is the nicest music I have ever heard!
*S T O N K S*
just starts humming godlike mr incredible becoming canny
Before thinks it’s satisfying then it’s worse
3:55 *Me who is also colorblind that has always thought the orb was purple…* 👀
*wulzy*: oh no its pink orb im colorblid sorry *robtop*: *adds purpule spider orb* wulzy: **explodes**
That noise when he did the wave was unexpected 🤣 I love your content wulzy I'ma definitely send you some money when I get paid because your one of my favorite TH-camr besides juniper and VanossGaming
everyone gangsta until the level is featured an insane demon instead of an extreme
2:15
“OOoOOHhHHh”
-Wulzy
this is one of the videos of all time
This just shows me how hard it is to build a good but challenging Extreme Demon, I'm really interested to see the progress on this level throughout the next few videos :D
it only difficult if youve never beaten one or dont have experience with playing levels, which wulzy apparently doesnt
I love the sync
I didnt know that I knew the song lmao, I remember the song now, it was in a level called peripheral
4:58 why was that transition kinda funny!! 🤣
when this is done, i'm gonna try get a showcase of it asap because i love it already
don't worry Wulzy, this is much better than aeon's extreme
The wave is actually really good.
To add to Neigefeu's comment, if you do want a scaled down portal, use an invisible scaled up portal on top of it
i really hope you will get to 100.000 subs u are so underrated
i feel like this level should be called ”swing” or ”swinging through” considering the amount of times you said that in this video
I kinda love the click pattern. It sounds satisfying.
add a swing copter part i think that would be rlly cool also keep up the great work wulzy
for the robot part with the weird block pattern, u gave me an idea. u said that its wonky then flattens out. so make the robot structure transform with move triggers like steps. then use move triggers to straighten out the rest
4:05: Wulzy becoming canny
honestly hit sync is nice
3:29 holy crap look at his attempts
This is gonna be my favorite extreme