Thank you for this channel. I used to dispatch for various law enforcement agencies in MT between 1980 and 1991. I have personal experience that might support dismissal of the idea of any possible accidental loss of interview information. 1) Information collectedvby officers at a crime scene was retained in a pocket sized spiral notebook. This would include subject info and drawings made by the officer. Officers also were provided cameras for initial crime scene documentation. Photos were entered into evidence along with the officer's hand written notes. 2) Follow up iterviews were conducted at the station; all visitors were required to sign in/out. The interviews were recorded on cassette. 3) Myself or another dispatcher were tasked with daily removal of the magnetic recording tape roll from yesterday, and storing it in order next to the previous roll. Every 30 days the first roll of the past month was erased and inserted, to become that day's recording. No tape was ever left to run more than 24 hours, nor were they erased before 30 days. 4) I was one person tasked with transcribing those conversations, and my work was always subject to court subpoenat, along with any notes I made at the dispatch station. My point is there is absolutely no excuse for interview records to be "accidentally" lost or destroyed. There are, or should always be failsafes in place.
I understand all of that but i wonder if it was possible to do that in Delphi the first weeks after the murders.They had the one interview room with a recording device and 4 or 5 agencies using it some not even related to the murders but most were for following up leads from tips called in. They got thousands of tips, psychics from you-tube started mass calling 'the knife is in the water' (everything is always in the water no matter what to psychics LOL) I think that if it was a significant loss with the Odinists/Vinlander interviews we would have heard about it from the FBI- they interviewed Fields, Holder, and Westfall and memoralized it in something called scion i think whatever that is. What i am getting at is if there was important to the case info that they learned in the Holder or Westfall interviews the FBI surely would have brought it up to investigators and filled them in more on what was said during those interviews. Alot of people are saying conspiracy but to be that all the police and the FBI would have conspired to delete the videos and not say anything to anyone, not logical at all!
@@samuelhawthorne7728 exactly. The interviews have been transcribed, both sets of attorneys have the documentation of the questions and answers provided by each individual. Besides, if it wasn't evidence it doesn't matter.
First time I've ever had a real deep suspicion about LE in a case. I'd like to know why isp and Carroll county didn't utilize more advanced law enforcement agencies. To me it feels like they ran the FBI off the case.
I have watched this case since the beginning. I don’t see how this much gross incompetence by law enforcement, and extreme lack of transparency, could go on for this long without some kind of LE coverup.
This is the problem with everyone's idea of what happened, no one has proven that bridge guy is actually the killer, the police who have dropped the ball time after time in this case have claimed that they theorize that bridge guy did it however I want proof that he's involved, the police in Indiana have 0 credibility at this point so I need hard proof bridge guy is the guy who did it or I maintain the right to be skeptical of the entire narrative
If someone believes that ZLE accidentally lost the recording of the testimony, they must believe in pink unicorns. these are recordings of people who publicly declare their beliefs in Odinism!
Her sister dropped the girls that day. RA told a guard that day he was there and saw the girls. This was dismissed or maybe lost for a long time. After Kline showed them something at the Wabash river, he had a bunch of charges dropped and then RA was arrested. Coincidence? Maybe. Thanks JC
The unspent bullet is not strong evidence imo. Tool marking analysis is very controversial, many experts consider it "junk" science. It's so controversial that last year Maryland supreme court limited bullet matching testimony and, a judge in Chicago completely barred the use of bullet matching from a murder trial. Now, it's considered junk when it's a spent bullet.. it's considered beyond ridiculous when it's unspent. It's completely subjective just like bite marks. I've never heard of a single case of someone being convicted of murder with an unspent bullet, as the main piece of evidence linking them to the crime. Maybe if it was backed up by DNA, fingerprints and electric evidence to support it, then it would give it a little bit more credibility but the prosecution doesn't have any of those things to support the unspent bullet. To consider a confession as true and accurate it needs to meet a few standards for me. Was the person free at the time or under external pressure, were they being treated well at the time of the confession? Did they know the crime scene details that only the killers would know.??... How was the person's health at the time,..were they eating and sleeping etc,?? did they express any concerns about their family around the time after the confessions. I'm not comfortable with a confession unless it meets those standards, I care about human rights and fair justice... history reminds us that confessions are not always true.. remember when people confessed to being "witches" .
Judge Gull denied another media outlet today. She also denied funds to the defense for experts. I really wish we as the public had a way to demand video/audio. If ra is guilty I want to see the evidence and judge for myself. This is so sad. #JusticeforAbbyandLibby
Supposedly, there was a new recording system put into place before the murders. The alleged problem is that the conversations did not go into a file for saving. The new system kept looping and when full, would start recording over the previous interviews. Not sure if I believe all of that, but I could see it happening with a new system. I wonder when it was installed and they started to use it. How much info does it hold before it loops? Can it be reset by human to record over previous conversations?
Yes, that is what they said but nonsense, you must save recordings individually. This was the most important investigation their town ever had and they did not make sure recordings of interviews were saved?
I don't see why other early interviews weren't erased. Daniel Pearson, for example. He was at the trails that day so we can assume he was interviewed very early on. We know Brad Holder was interviewed three days after the murders. Why was Pearson's interview recently given to the Defense but Holder's (and Westfall's) interviews were erased? The accidental erase excuse doesn't fit.
@@BreakTheCase agreed! Immediately! But I would love to know the answers to these questions since this is allegedly what happened. Would love to see what they “say”.
Well, ... We assume that "bridge man" actually WAS "The Guy", .. (OR ONE OF TWO OR MORE), involved in these horrific, gory slayings. While most of us probably believe that the bridge guy was involved, (very reasonably so), ... Things may not be so cut and dry. My personal belief is that it's just not likely for SO MANY reasons, that ONLY ONE person could have had the time to have done this. I absolutely think a few other people are involved. Many of us are assuming that Richard Allen DID the murders. BUT, by following many TH-cam channels that seem reputable, it seems ever more doubtful to me, that he might even be guilty ! Really, .. when have you ever heard of any other murder where ZERO DNA, ... ZERO FINGERPRINTS, ... ZERO evidence from cell phone texts, ... or the suspects online searches, or cellphone location tracking has been COMPLETELY ABSENT ? Damn few, if any. This case is the most bizarre murder case that I can recall in my entire life ! That's because of several extremely suspicious local people in Delphi. ... AND especially the very strong opinions of the FBI, and THREE police detectives formerly involved, that others were linked to the murders. As far as R.A.'s supposed "confessions" to his wife or mother, he may have been coerced by very bad people, (prison guards maybe) to confess lest his own daughter and or wife might be "disappeared" or murdered ! Wouldn't any man terrified for a loved ones safety be likely to confess, even if not guilty? All any reasonable person wants is a totally fair trial, where the judge doesn't let the prosecutors hide exculpatory evidence, and that the judge doesn't disallow testimony or evidence that the defense attorneys put forth as valid. If, somehow a jury convicts Allen, I'm praying that any other people possibly involved are revealed along the way. Otherwise, there is no true final justice. We've all speculated because of all the slew of information or related supposed "facts", on what happened, and exactly where, and when. Maybe the prosecutors are quietly holding some convincing evidence back, to release at the best time. I guess we will all just need to wait for everything to come out.
I guess they were killed by ghosts? According to you 🤡 where are they going to collect fingerprints? He didn’t SA them, plenty of knife attackers don’t leave behind DNA.. you sound silly
I think it was before they arrested him. Please don't quote me on that though. I do know tgat the bullet was found AFTER the crime scene was released. That in itself is suspicious of LE. Not to mention the 70+ hours of interviews that were "recorded over". I smell a rat!!
Ron Logan had the same upper body, shoulder build. His gait matches Ron Logan age too. I do not believe Richard Allen has anything to do with this. I pray Mr. Allen and his wife ends up owning that state!!
Don't quit your day job then...U best believe they have more evidence the public is not privied to yet...Richard Allen is Bridge Guy...and they have the right guy...
I really enjoy your videos. Of all of the crime analysis I hear online, yours is the most pragmatic and fact-based. I think everything on this case is just weird. Things just are not adding up.
They were killed in one area then moved to another area? Not according to law enforcement. Im not doubting you, as many of us have assumed that, but can you provide more information?
@@GibboFrank The football field size is just to cover the bridge to the body location. But when it comes to the actual unaliving and bodies, it supposedly all happened in the general area they were found. I really can't find anything from law enforcement saying they were moved, besides the obvious move from the bridge.
Somewhere I watched a video with a guy who said within hours of the girls missing, there was a drone brought in with FLIR technology. The drone was able to catch heat signatures of deer and other searchers, but nothing from the girls...if this is true..maybe they were taken elsewhere and brought back late at night. Don't forget searchers were out there the same day and night, but somehow never saw their clothing hung up on branches in the river?
Yes another thing judge Gull wouldn’t let in: when earphones were plugged into the girls phone the geo location showed the girls phone the other side of Delphi at Patrick Westfall’s house.
I enjoyed this. Im not sure why law enforcement seems to have stumbled on this investigation. I also feel Ron Logan was involved. It seems LE knew about the Odinists but cleared them quickly. There was also the fact that they said a Purdue professor said it wasn't ritual when in fact he DID say it was ritual. If i were on the jury, based on the evidence i would not find him guilty
Great video. This is the second case I started following even before I started true crime on Twitter. This case and Gilgo Beach. I don’t know what to think anymore. I thought RA was the right guy but after hearing this, my % of belief definitely went down. They better hope that RA is the perpetrator. Otherwise there is going to be a huge lawsuit against the State if he’s found innocent. They should have never put him in a prison. I would love to know if he started losing weight and eating paper before or after he confessed to his wife and mother. It’s impossible to tell how tall BG is because there is nothing you can use for scale in the photo. Can’t wait to see the entire video. So, you think the bullet is not good evidence? I’ve heard that it is good and that it’s not. I guess that’s what the jury is going to hear as well. Anyway, thanks for the coverage. Great job as always. Hope you have a great week.
I have a problem with the recording. I believe it was cut or lags. The words possibly used were The Guys are down the hill. I don't believe it was said "Guys down the hill!"
@@andrethegiant2877Even if the video is blurry, you can clearly see that BG doesn't have white mustache or glasses. Also the body build and proportions are vastly different compared to Logan. Logan has been ruled out of this equation ages ago. If people just read the probable cause affidavit with thought, there shouldn't be anything unclear about this case.
I ABSOLUTELY believe Richard Allen is wrongfully charged. I Absolutely believe that that Ron Loan is "the bridge guy".....oh my gosh like at the photos side by side this is crazy Ray Charles could see this is more than likely the same person. Someone needs to contact the innocents project so they can start working to free Richard Allen!!!
Do you know what happen with the girl that called and said it was her ex-boyfriend. He later died, but law enforcement never check him off. So sad… Thanks for your channel.. I hope to see Doug Bishop in Tennessee on that Sebastian case. He’s near me in Portland, so I too had emailed him. Such a great guy… Thanks Jennifer!!
There's a creator out there CriminalNetwork"fruit of the poiseness tree"it makes the most sense to me why now we are seeing all this missing evidence 😮it educated me Jennifer if you speculated that is what happened on RL property on the day the girls were found what that scenario in court today against Allen would look like ? ❤love that you started a channel
Sloan Bella did a reading on the girls very interesting she mentions the man that murdered both girls is a pillar of the community & 1 of the girls was telling her its the brother of her teacher it's worth a listen for more insight bless the girls ❤
Odinism- a naturalist ancient mythology turned religion - has been hijacked by the Vinlanders an extremist group that attached themselves to it. The actual pagan/nature based religion is Asatru. The runes are truly ancient - derived from patterns found in nature and themselves were not intended to hold malignant power. It's low IQ, evil people who make it appear that way. All religions about saviours began as myths. The myth of Odin is fascinating, but that's all it is - a myth of ancient Northern European origin. Clearly there are those who see the financial benefits attached to starting a new religion (group funding with tax benefits) and it can be used as a smoke screen for other, more nefarious activities. So the ancient myth of Odin is valuable cultural heritage. The people in Delphi appropriating it as a religiin are just evil and not very bright. Furthermore that video was probably not taken by Libby, but was pre created by the killers and placed on the phone after the abduction - to be found on the phone that was placed underneath a body. Those images were pre planned and made to confuse and throw the investigation off kilter. Look at Abby's feet - they hardly touch the surface of the bridge. It's fudged. I absolutely agree with Eye of Apophis who analysed the images on his fascinating channel. The girls were abducted, killed elsewhere, drained of blood and all trace evidence removed (cops involved?) before they were staged in a ritualistic context with runic signs. We know this cult is active in the prison system, but does it involve police, even judges - how deep does the rot go? That is a very important question that will directly affect the outcome of this trial. Who caused the loss of evidence i.e. the recorded interviews? Why are people like Abby's adult boyfriend and father who is an active Vinlander not under suspicion? Have their alibis been checked? Interviews lost should be reconducted with everyone remotely connected to the girls. I don't think this trial can go ahead fairly without all the evidence available to the defence. It seems this murder is a riddle created by the ancient Delphi Oracle herself.
Amanda [my daughter's name]- can you recommend to me what you think is the best documentary on Delphi on youtube? They all say different things and I don't know what to believe.
@@Emeraldcity70 Hi I wish there was one single channel with good answers, but most Ytubers are just as much in the dark as you and I. They're churning over the same pot full of drips and drabs of info because it is a true mystery what happened. The only reason why I mentioned Eye of Apophis - he was once a high ranking, albeit now retired intelligence official during e.g. Operation Desert Storm. He is an out of the box thinker. He also creatively presents his ideas through carefully selected music that tells the story. His ideas are original, he has both the experience and the depth of knowledge to provide fresh insights. You're in for a treat if his channel is new to you! I binge watched when I first discovered him. A hidden little gem! He often repeats info, but just bear with him. Here's the thing - none of us really knows what happened, but the smartest people are bound to take us a step closer or provide a new insight we might've missed. As I mentioned he tells you up front his propositions are speculative, but considering his intelligence background, experience, etc. - I trust his instincts and insights. True Crime Design is great and has been on this case relentlessly from the beginning - so she is one to watch from a journalistic angle. Other than that, I'm not big into crime stories. I'm more academic and creative. I'll be starting a poetry channel later this year because like Dostoyevsky said: "Beauty will save the world." People who don't ever have beauty or love in their lives become criminals. Amanda means 'worthy to be loved' - I'm sure you know that anyway. Love and beauty to you both.
I wonder if the round recovered from the scene was matched to the rounds still in his handgun. If he didn’t go shooting, it just might. Then they could get an exact metallurgical match. You can’t tell how tall the BG is. There is nothing in the picture to scale him from. Not to mention you would need to know the angle the camera was filming from. This should be an interesting case.
May sound out there but i have always wondered about Logans trip to the dump that day before the murders happened. The witness sketch of the older man resembles Logan (or Allen) but that other sketch, the adult female witness at the south end of the bridge said she saw a younger man with curly hair and that;s what ended up being the younger guy sketch. So back to Logan, he was friends with Garrett Kirts and Kirts was very familiar with the bridge and Logans property- having almost grown up there. Garrett looked somewhat like the younger man sketch and his girlfriend (also convicted of murder when Kirts was) looks alot like BG, she is Ashley Garth, 26 at the time of her arrest, of Delphi. Back to Ron's dump run that day- the dump he went to is right by the road the lady on the south end said she saw the younger man walking towards the bridge on. I always wondered if Ron dropped Kirts or Garth or someone else off on that road after he went to the dump that day so they could access the bridge from underneath without being seen. There is zero other reason to be on that road for anyone not going to the dump because after the dump it kind of ends up being that dirt road that only goes to the few houses and under the bridge, if i remember right. Kirts has no alibi and was very withdrawn the week after the murders, he said Ashley has seen a video of the murders. He stopped talking though after being arrested out of fear of being killed in prison if people thought he killed abby and libby. Just a thought thats been bugging me for years. Ashley Garth was a drug user that was known to one of the victims relatives as is shown by their old social media accounts.
I agree there's a creator CriminalNetwork"fruit of the poiseness tree"it doesn't get nearly enough play as it deserves once you watch it makes so much sense as to why so called missing basically everything for the first 2 months, it opened my eyes 😮I don't want to spoil it for everyone it educated me
Ive always thought bridge guy was Ron Logan.. just way he walks he dressed ect same coat, same color hat same jeans in the news interviews the next day. You think they could fig out the height of BG by calculating height of certain things around him.. but what do i know.. 🤷
I’m reserving judgment until we know more about the alleged recorded jailhouse confessions to RA’s wife and his mother. I understand the defense position is that they are non-specific, and were coerced or volunteered under extreme mental stress/anguish. Unless RA testifies on the stand, I don’t see how a jury can disregard multiple confessions that were recorded.
Ive never been so anxious about a trial like i am with this one. I believe RA is innocent and way more evidence leans towards RL. Im afraid an innocent man is being framed. Even the judge seems biased.
i heard that FBI profilers stated that the murderer(s) had Nordic beliefs. is that true? does RA have Nordic beliefs? did the girls/families have Nordic beliefs?
I think much of what you’re saying at the opening is speculation and not necessarily factual. For instance, that the girls were killed in one location and moved to where they were later located. Also, forced to undress? Not sure. If the girls made a run for it across the creek, they could have lost clothing items - especially shoes.
RA and his wife KA took a vacation there. They posted an online interest the exact time they were there but made a big boo-boo because it was supposed to be secret that the cops were watching his every move.
@@JessicaLoadholtes I don't think it had anything to do with him just my opinion. There was an escaped prisoner that was found in Bledsoe County TN sometime around then I will have to look at it again. Also some other suspects have ties I believe.
@@Pottawattamie LE posted online they were looking for BG in Tennessee the same exact time RA/KA were in Tennessee hiking on vacation. They were told to modify the post. They knew about him much sooner than they wanted to admit.
What would you do? Say you lost control of the situation and killed them, now what? Do you try to move two dead bodies in broad daylight the length of 4 football fields back to your house? Do you try to dig 2 graves in broad daylight in the frozen February soil? Seriously, what would you do?
You shouldn’t be talking about this case! You have lied about it for a very long time and you know it! Their parents didn’t drop them off either! Their sister did! Get facts straight, but you never can!
I don't know if he is guilty ore Not...I just want a Fair Trial. Its Not Possible with the collusion or corruption with this particular Judge and he pet prosecutor. Both should be jailed for their manipulative games and excluding real evidence.
This video is so inaccurate. Richard Allen did have previous encounters with LE like domestic violence. He once threatened to harm Kathy because of a game of pool at the bar. Kegan kline was also held in prison in protective custody before his trial, as a few other high profile cases in Indiana, BUT no one is concerned about any of their rights. Go look up the numbers yourself. No one was treating Ri k bad in prison. The only thing Rick coukd control was what he did or didn't eat, this contributes to his "controlling" disposition. He refused food but built up a healthy appetite for hos legal paperwork, feces, urine and toilet water. For anyone that has worked in the prison system, this is a common go to when trying to deflect guilt by faking crazy, but just like every other guilty individual that attempts this, the behavior stops as soon as it started when the toddler throwing the tantrum realizes its not getting the wanted reward. The satanic panic can go away, he deliberately staged the crime scene to manipulate attention away from himself and onto others. His wife provided a false alibi, so why lie to begin with if he was so innocent. Wait until everyone's sees the direct evidence they have besides the unspent bullet. He is no victim, but his attorneys are doing a good job at manipulating words. Besides eating his own waste, his suggestion of religion and wanting to give the families a bible contributes to the nail in the coffin of his guilt. They always find God when they have to face the consequences of their actions. If he found god maybe he would actually tell the truth for a change.
no , you missed an important point. R Allen did not approach the police by himself. he did so only after the tipline was established and when law enforcement set a trap releasing a still picture of bridge guy, saying that this man ought to come forward as he could be an important witness. (they let out the fact the picture came from the phone of one of the victims, and the gun and the "guys down the hill!" part). R Allen obviously recognized himself and arranged an informal meeting with the Police because he was sure everyone else would recognize him for the picture, and he said he was there, he wore the clothes, but he saw nothing. which is not possible as we know from "witness 4" who saw both R Allen on the bridge and the 2 victims going towards the bridge 2 minutes away. he could not not have seen those 2 girls passing him by one the bridge. so not only did he lie in his testimony, but he did not go spontaneously to the police contrary to what you suggest here. and he never went to the precinct which is one block away from the CVS store where Richard Allen worked.
This podcast has no idea of this case! They were not dropped off by the parents, they were dropped off by one of the girls sisters! So right away you can see what this person knows nothing about the case! I have only got into a couple of minutes of video
False. He originally did, then his cousin recanted it when he realized they were investigating a double homicide. Ron Logan and Libby's phones ping the same towers between 2pm and 4:30pm.
@@andrethegiant2877 he still had an alibi. He lied about where he was and who he was with but they have him on video at another place at the time the girls were killed.
@@MK-hz2bn Absolutely false. They have him on video at the dump at 11:00 am, three hours before the Snapchat video. Then he's on video trying to establish his alibi around 6pm. He is at or near the crime scene for at least 2 & a half hours when they go missing. You can look all of this up. He was their killer. It's pretty obvious.
@@andrethegiant2877 I don’t think anyone knows who the killer is at this point. It’s a guessing game and we don’t have all the info to make a judgement.
I don’t trust the process on this one. This is the most bizarre case I have ever seen.
Thank you for this channel.
I used to dispatch for various law enforcement agencies in MT between 1980 and 1991. I have personal experience that might support dismissal of the idea of any possible accidental loss of interview information.
1) Information collectedvby officers at a crime scene was retained in a pocket sized spiral notebook. This would include subject info and drawings made by the officer. Officers also were provided cameras for initial crime scene documentation. Photos were entered into evidence along with the officer's hand written notes.
2) Follow up iterviews were conducted at the station; all visitors were required to sign in/out. The interviews were recorded on cassette.
3) Myself or another dispatcher were tasked with daily removal of the magnetic recording tape roll from yesterday, and storing it in order next to the previous roll. Every 30 days the first roll of the past month was erased and inserted, to become that day's recording. No tape was ever left to run more than 24 hours, nor were they erased before 30 days.
4) I was one person tasked with transcribing those conversations, and my work was always subject to court subpoenat, along with any notes I made at the dispatch station.
My point is there is absolutely no excuse for interview records to be "accidentally" lost or destroyed. There are, or should always be failsafes in place.
I understand all of that but i wonder if it was possible to do that in Delphi the first weeks after the murders.They had the one interview room with a recording device and 4 or 5 agencies using it some not even related to the murders but most were for following up leads from tips called in. They got thousands of tips, psychics from you-tube started mass calling 'the knife is in the water' (everything is always in the water no matter what to psychics LOL) I think that if it was a significant loss with the Odinists/Vinlander interviews we would have heard about it from the FBI- they interviewed Fields, Holder, and Westfall and memoralized it in something called scion i think whatever that is. What i am getting at is if there was important to the case info that they learned in the Holder or Westfall interviews the FBI surely would have brought it up to investigators and filled them in more on what was said during those interviews. Alot of people are saying conspiracy but to be that all the police and the FBI would have conspired to delete the videos and not say anything to anyone, not logical at all!
@@samuelhawthorne7728 exactly. The interviews have been transcribed, both sets of attorneys have the documentation of the questions and answers provided by each individual. Besides, if it wasn't evidence it doesn't matter.
It’s inexcusable incompetence on the part of LE to have “accidentally” recorded over any of the interviews. It smells fishy.🎣 🐟🐠
It's a flat out lie. It was no accident. Smh
small town equipment.
Are you in LE or do you have a law degree?
Do you have any idea how much space of recordings 6T of data is? Something doesn’t add up!
@@sammyday3341 I come from an LE family, I am a thin blue line family member. Beyond this, none of your business whatsoever.
First time I've ever had a real deep suspicion about LE in a case. I'd like to know why isp and Carroll county didn't utilize more advanced law enforcement agencies. To me it feels like they ran the FBI off the case.
Or the FBI did and they were the pawns?
I have watched this case since the beginning. I don’t see how this much gross incompetence by law enforcement, and extreme lack of transparency, could go on for this long without some kind of LE coverup.
Thanks so much, another informative show!
The Shame...5 years, with video and voice and Richard Allen telling LE he was on the Trail at the time! What are these officials doing in Delphi 🤬🤬
I'm so glad you have your own channel ! I can't wait to dive in❤
Wow. I thought this was going to be a general description of the case. It was much more than that. Thank you.
Very good show, Jennifer!
Thank you so much Joye.
Thank you for this video!
This is the problem with everyone's idea of what happened, no one has proven that bridge guy is actually the killer, the police who have dropped the ball time after time in this case have claimed that they theorize that bridge guy did it however I want proof that he's involved, the police in Indiana have 0 credibility at this point so I need hard proof bridge guy is the guy who did it or I maintain the right to be skeptical of the entire narrative
I believe it was Bridge Guy because after Bridge Guy approached, that was the end of the girls communications
@@BreakTheCaseAt least that's what we've been told. They won't even release the whole video.
Praying for Thier Justice ⚖️
Another awesome show
Danger Dave! Haven't seen you in awhile. Good to see you.
@@Emeraldcity70 GTSY
I love the way you summed this case up and I agree with you. Love ur channel! ❤
If someone believes that ZLE accidentally lost the recording of the testimony, they must believe in pink unicorns. these are recordings of people who publicly declare their beliefs in Odinism!
Her sister dropped the girls that day. RA told a guard that day he was there and saw the girls. This was dismissed or maybe lost for a long time. After Kline showed them something at the Wabash river, he had a bunch of charges dropped and then RA was arrested. Coincidence? Maybe. Thanks JC
zero proof of connection between Allen and Kline. no online connection between Allen and Abby and Libby
The unspent bullet is not strong evidence imo.
Tool marking analysis is very controversial, many experts consider it "junk" science.
It's so controversial that last year Maryland supreme court limited bullet matching testimony and,
a judge in Chicago completely barred the use of bullet matching from a murder trial.
Now, it's considered junk when it's a spent bullet.. it's considered beyond ridiculous when it's unspent.
It's completely subjective just like bite marks.
I've never heard of a single case of someone being convicted of murder with an unspent bullet,
as the main piece of evidence linking them to the crime.
Maybe if it was backed up by DNA, fingerprints and electric evidence to support it, then
it would give it a little bit more credibility but the prosecution doesn't have any of those things to support the unspent bullet.
To consider a confession as true and accurate it needs to meet a few standards for me.
Was the person free at the time or under external pressure, were they being treated well at the time of the confession?
Did they know the crime scene details that only the killers would know.??...
How was the person's health at the time,..were they eating and sleeping etc,??
did they express any concerns about their family around the time after the confessions.
I'm not comfortable with a confession unless it meets those standards,
I care about human rights and fair justice... history reminds us that confessions are not always true..
remember when people confessed to being "witches" .
I'm so glad you started your own channel! Thanks for all you do for the victims!
Judge Gull denied another media outlet today. She also denied funds to the defense for experts. I really wish we as the public had a way to demand video/audio. If ra is guilty I want to see the evidence and judge for myself. This is so sad. #JusticeforAbbyandLibby
Supposedly, there was a new recording system put into place before the murders. The alleged problem is that the conversations did not go into a file for saving. The new system kept looping and when full, would start recording over the previous interviews.
Not sure if I believe all of that, but I could see it happening with a new system. I wonder when it was installed and they started to use it. How much info does it hold before it loops? Can it be reset by human to record over previous conversations?
Yes, that is what they said but nonsense, you must save recordings individually. This was the most important investigation their town ever had and they did not make sure recordings of interviews were saved?
I don't see why other early interviews weren't erased. Daniel Pearson, for example. He was at the trails that day so we can assume he was interviewed very early on. We know Brad Holder was interviewed three days after the murders.
Why was Pearson's interview recently given to the Defense but Holder's (and Westfall's) interviews were erased? The accidental erase excuse doesn't fit.
@@BreakTheCase agreed! Immediately! But I would love to know the answers to these questions since this is allegedly what happened. Would love to see what they “say”.
@@Letsberealish absolutely! Would just love to see what their answers to these questions would be.
Well, ... We assume that "bridge man" actually WAS "The Guy", .. (OR ONE OF TWO OR MORE), involved in these horrific, gory slayings. While most of us probably believe that the bridge guy was involved, (very reasonably so), ... Things may not be so cut and dry. My personal belief is that it's just not likely for SO MANY reasons, that ONLY ONE person could have had the time to have done this. I absolutely think a few other people are involved. Many of us are assuming that Richard Allen DID the murders. BUT, by following many TH-cam channels that seem reputable, it seems ever more doubtful to me, that he might even be guilty ! Really, .. when have you ever heard of any other murder where ZERO DNA, ... ZERO FINGERPRINTS, ... ZERO evidence from cell phone texts, ... or the suspects online searches, or cellphone location tracking has been COMPLETELY ABSENT ? Damn few, if any. This case is the most bizarre murder case that I can recall in my entire life ! That's because of several extremely suspicious local people in Delphi. ... AND especially the very strong opinions of the FBI, and THREE police detectives formerly involved, that others were linked to the murders. As far as R.A.'s supposed "confessions" to his wife or mother, he may have been coerced by very bad people, (prison guards maybe) to confess lest his own daughter and or wife might be "disappeared" or murdered ! Wouldn't any man terrified for a loved ones safety be likely to confess, even if not guilty? All any reasonable person wants is a totally fair trial, where the judge doesn't let the prosecutors hide exculpatory evidence, and that the judge doesn't disallow testimony or evidence that the defense attorneys put forth as valid. If, somehow a jury convicts Allen, I'm praying that any other people possibly involved are revealed along the way. Otherwise, there is no true final justice. We've all speculated because of all the slew of information or related supposed "facts", on what happened, and exactly where, and when. Maybe the prosecutors are quietly holding some convincing evidence back, to release at the best time. I guess we will all just need to wait for everything to come out.
If that biased judge let's the truth come out
I guess they were killed by ghosts? According to you 🤡 where are they going to collect fingerprints? He didn’t SA them, plenty of knife attackers don’t leave behind DNA.. you sound silly
I think the BG guy thing is just all smoke and mirrors to distract from the case like it has.
was the bullet discussed before RA was arrested? Or did the bullet surface after RA was arrested?
I think it was before they arrested him. Please don't quote me on that though. I do know tgat the bullet was found AFTER the crime scene was released. That in itself is suspicious of LE. Not to mention the 70+ hours of interviews that were "recorded over". I smell a rat!!
not sure but In Ron Logans search warrant they were looking for guns bullets and knifes.
Ron Logan had the same upper body, shoulder build. His gait matches Ron Logan age too. I do not believe Richard Allen has anything to do with this. I pray Mr. Allen and his wife ends up owning that state!!
I think the opposite
Don't quit your day job then...U best believe they have more evidence the public is not privied to yet...Richard Allen is Bridge Guy...and they have the right guy...
I do not see any prescription eyeglasses or a thick mustache on BG. Ron Logan did have a thick mustache & prescription eyeglasses
I think it was Ron Logan as well.
@@babystepsgarden6162 I think Ron Logan was apart of the crime, I just don’t think he is bridge guy.
Le in this specific case is very sus!! Fbi where you at???
I really enjoy your videos. Of all of the crime analysis I hear online, yours is the most pragmatic and fact-based. I think everything on this case is just weird. Things just are not adding up.
Thank you!
I do agree RA should not be held in a Max Security prison, pre trial?
They were killed in one area then moved to another area? Not according to law enforcement. Im not doubting you, as many of us have assumed that, but can you provide more information?
Crime scene is size of a football field it's always been stated they were moved to a staging area
@@GibboFrank The football field size is just to cover the bridge to the body location. But when it comes to the actual unaliving and bodies, it supposedly all happened in the general area they were found.
I really can't find anything from law enforcement saying they were moved, besides the obvious move from the bridge.
Somewhere I watched a video with a guy who said within hours of the girls missing, there was a drone brought in with FLIR technology. The drone was able to catch heat signatures of deer and other searchers, but nothing from the girls...if this is true..maybe they were taken elsewhere and brought back late at night. Don't forget searchers were out there the same day and night, but somehow never saw their clothing hung up on branches in the river?
Yes another thing judge Gull wouldn’t let in: when earphones were plugged into the girls phone the geo location showed the girls phone the other side of Delphi at Patrick Westfall’s house.
Im so glad you started a TH-cam channel ❤
Means a lot
Were GBI bought in because of GK specifically
because he is connected to the area?
Great job Jen!
That is so frustrating over the recording being recorded over
I enjoyed this. Im not sure why law enforcement seems to have stumbled on this investigation. I also feel Ron Logan was involved. It seems LE knew about the Odinists but cleared them quickly. There was also the fact that they said a Purdue professor said it wasn't ritual when in fact he DID say it was ritual. If i were on the jury, based on the evidence i would not find him guilty
Dropped off by a sister not parents…
And prior to this someone broke in to Ra garage
i didn't know that. Every day there's something new with this case.
Great video. This is the second case I started following even before I started true crime on Twitter. This case and Gilgo Beach. I don’t know what to think anymore. I thought RA was the right guy but after hearing this, my % of belief definitely went down. They better hope that RA is the perpetrator. Otherwise there is going to be a huge lawsuit against the State if he’s found innocent. They should have never put him in a prison. I would love to know if he started losing weight and eating paper before or after he confessed to his wife and mother. It’s impossible to tell how tall BG is because there is nothing you can use for scale in the photo. Can’t wait to see the entire video. So, you think the bullet is not good evidence? I’ve heard that it is good and that it’s not. I guess that’s what the jury is going to hear as well. Anyway, thanks for the coverage. Great job as always. Hope you have a great week.
Hi Jen, glad you have a channel. I never did think Richard was the man on the bridge.
I have a problem with the recording. I believe it was cut or lags. The words possibly used were The Guys are down the hill. I don't believe it was said "Guys down the hill!"
Can you recommend a youtube video that talks about that? Because that's interesting.
There’s too much wrong with this case …. They need a new judge …. All these issues he’s either innocent which I think , or he’ll be found innocent
I always thought BG was RL.From day one.
Bridge guy is visually alot taller than Richard Allen. RA is not BG.
Ron Logan is/was.
@@andrethegiant2877Even if the video is blurry, you can clearly see that BG doesn't have white mustache or glasses. Also the body build and proportions are vastly different compared to Logan. Logan has been ruled out of this equation ages ago. If people just read the probable cause affidavit with thought, there shouldn't be anything unclear about this case.
@@a2406 Wrong. He has the exact same body, fat with skinny legs. It's him, you'll see.
Is this person near where there is a young boy
currently missing?
It's Antonio Bueno in Clarksville, TN
can you explain please?
I ABSOLUTELY believe Richard Allen is wrongfully charged. I Absolutely believe that that Ron Loan is "the bridge guy".....oh my gosh like at the photos side by side this is crazy Ray Charles could see this is more than likely the same person. Someone needs to contact the innocents project so they can start working to free Richard Allen!!!
Do you know what happen with the girl that called and said it was her ex-boyfriend. He later died, but law enforcement never check him off. So sad…
Thanks for your channel..
I hope to see Doug Bishop in Tennessee on that Sebastian case. He’s near me in Portland, so I too had emailed him. Such a great guy…
Thanks Jennifer!!
There's a creator out there CriminalNetwork"fruit of the poiseness tree"it makes the most sense to me why now we are seeing all this missing evidence 😮it educated me
Jennifer if you speculated that is what happened on RL property on the day the girls were found what that scenario in court today against Allen would look like ?
❤love that you started a channel
Mr. Allen will have a big pay day when he is aquitted.
Sloan Bella did a reading on the girls very interesting she mentions the man that murdered both girls is a pillar of the community & 1 of the girls was telling her its the brother of her teacher it's worth a listen for more insight bless the girls ❤
love what you discussed but am sad for what you did not discuss
Odinism- a naturalist ancient mythology turned religion - has been hijacked by the Vinlanders an extremist group that attached themselves to it. The actual pagan/nature based religion is Asatru.
The runes are truly ancient - derived from patterns found in nature and themselves were not intended to hold malignant power. It's low IQ, evil people who make it appear that way. All religions about saviours began as myths. The myth of Odin is fascinating, but that's all it is - a myth of ancient Northern European origin.
Clearly there are those who see the financial benefits attached to starting a new religion (group funding with tax benefits) and it can be used as a smoke screen for other, more nefarious activities. So the ancient myth of Odin is valuable cultural heritage. The people in Delphi appropriating it as a religiin are just evil and not very bright.
Furthermore that video was probably not taken by Libby, but was pre created by the killers and placed on the phone after the abduction - to be found on the phone that was placed underneath a body. Those images were pre planned and made to confuse and throw the investigation off kilter. Look at Abby's feet - they hardly touch the surface of the bridge. It's fudged.
I absolutely agree with Eye of Apophis who analysed the images on his fascinating channel.
The girls were abducted, killed elsewhere, drained of blood and all trace evidence removed (cops involved?) before they were staged in a ritualistic context with runic signs.
We know this cult is active in the prison system, but does it involve police, even judges - how deep does the rot go? That is a very important question that will directly affect the outcome of this trial. Who caused the loss of evidence i.e. the recorded interviews? Why are people like Abby's adult boyfriend and father who is an active Vinlander not under suspicion? Have their alibis been checked? Interviews lost should be reconducted with everyone remotely connected to the girls. I don't think this trial can go ahead fairly without all the evidence available to the defence. It seems this murder is a riddle created by the ancient Delphi Oracle herself.
Amanda [my daughter's name]- can you recommend to me what you think is the best documentary on Delphi on youtube? They all say different things and I don't know what to believe.
@@Emeraldcity70 Hi I wish there was one single channel with good answers, but most Ytubers are just as much in the dark as you and I. They're churning over the same pot full of drips and drabs of info because it is a true mystery what happened.
The only reason why I mentioned Eye of Apophis - he was once a high ranking, albeit now retired intelligence official during e.g. Operation Desert Storm. He is an out of the box thinker. He also creatively presents his ideas through carefully selected music that tells the story. His ideas are original, he has both the experience and the depth of knowledge to provide fresh insights. You're in for a treat if his channel is new to you!
I binge watched when I first discovered him. A hidden little gem! He often repeats info, but just bear with him.
Here's the thing - none of us really knows what happened, but the smartest people are bound to take us a step closer or provide a new insight we might've missed. As I mentioned he tells you up front his propositions are speculative, but considering his intelligence background, experience, etc. - I trust his instincts and insights. True Crime Design is great and has been on this case relentlessly from the beginning - so she is one to watch from a journalistic angle.
Other than that, I'm not big into crime stories. I'm more academic and creative. I'll be starting a poetry channel later this year because like Dostoyevsky said: "Beauty will save the world." People who don't ever have beauty or love in their lives become criminals.
Amanda means 'worthy to be loved' - I'm sure you know that anyway. Love and beauty to you both.
@@amandavanheerden7980 Oh my goodness. Thank you so much for giving me so much of your time. Happy Easter.🐇🐰🐇🐰
Yes! The white supremacists have bastardized paganism and pagan traditions.
@@Emeraldcity70 Try Andrea Burkhart too. She’s very good.
I wonder if the round recovered from the scene was matched to the rounds still in his handgun. If he didn’t go shooting, it just might. Then they could get an exact metallurgical match. You can’t tell how tall the BG is. There is nothing in the picture to scale him from. Not to mention you would need to know the angle the camera was filming from. This should be an interesting case.
May sound out there but i have always wondered about Logans trip to the dump that day before the murders happened. The witness sketch of the older man resembles Logan (or Allen) but that other sketch, the adult female witness at the south end of the bridge said she saw a younger man with curly hair and that;s what ended up being the younger guy sketch. So back to Logan, he was friends with Garrett Kirts and Kirts was very familiar with the bridge and Logans property- having almost grown up there. Garrett looked somewhat like the younger man sketch and his girlfriend (also convicted of murder when Kirts was) looks alot like BG, she is Ashley Garth, 26 at the time of her arrest, of Delphi. Back to Ron's dump run that day- the dump he went to is right by the road the lady on the south end said she saw the younger man walking towards the bridge on. I always wondered if Ron dropped Kirts or Garth or someone else off on that road after he went to the dump that day so they could access the bridge from underneath without being seen. There is zero other reason to be on that road for anyone not going to the dump because after the dump it kind of ends up being that dirt road that only goes to the few houses and under the bridge, if i remember right. Kirts has no alibi and was very withdrawn the week after the murders, he said Ashley has seen a video of the murders. He stopped talking though after being arrested out of fear of being killed in prison if people thought he killed abby and libby. Just a thought thats been bugging me for years. Ashley Garth was a drug user that was known to one of the victims relatives as is shown by their old social media accounts.
I agree there's a creator CriminalNetwork"fruit of the poiseness tree"it doesn't get nearly enough play as it deserves once you watch it makes so much sense as to why so called missing basically everything for the first 2 months, it opened my eyes 😮I don't want to spoil it for everyone it educated me
As well Delphi wanted Tons land for future plan of economic development
Well... why didnt they wangle that when ron was in prison eh, or after his death? Male it make sense, otherwise its malicious stupid gossip
Also the bullet marks won’t hold up in court they rarely do. That not a science it’s an opinion.
He was drugged and tottered dog collar around his neck Odin guards
At this point, how do we know they are even dead? What if they been sex trafficked? is there verifiable bodies?, Is there a autopsy report?
If you put him in a regular jail he will last less than a day. His in solitary for his safety.
If hes guilty, they are ensuring an appeal; if not acquittal. If he is innocent, then a huge law suit could happen.
No justice.
So why would he tell if he did it?
Please give your opinion on the Sebastian Rogers case in Tennessee.
Just finished recording an interview on Sebastian with Doug Bishop
@@BreakTheCase
Thank you!!!
Ive always thought bridge guy was Ron Logan.. just way he walks he dressed ect same coat, same color hat same jeans in the news interviews the next day. You think they could fig out the height of BG by calculating height of certain things around him.. but what do i know.. 🤷
That's been done. RL is too tall.
I’m reserving judgment until we know more about the alleged recorded jailhouse confessions to RA’s wife and his mother. I understand the defense position is that they are non-specific, and were coerced or volunteered under extreme mental stress/anguish. Unless RA testifies on the stand, I don’t see how a jury can disregard multiple confessions that were recorded.
Jen, i love that we cus and discuss😂
There are no accidents
Was Richard Allen ever a resident in the state of Wisconsin?
A man called Warren Harer a relative of Summer Wells does
he uses the name as an alias amongst others he is a convicted
CSO.
Also another convicted killer Dubowski called himself
Richard Allen on an interview after his release from prison
In Indianapolis using middle names.
Ive never been so anxious about a trial like i am with this one. I believe RA is innocent and way more evidence leans towards RL. Im afraid an innocent man is being framed. Even the judge seems biased.
He better have some good confessions.
i heard that FBI profilers stated that the murderer(s) had Nordic beliefs. is that true? does RA have Nordic beliefs? did the girls/families have Nordic beliefs?
I think somebody knew those girls are going to be there that day that time.. maybe it was mentioned by the sister of one of the girls to someone
How do you know they were moved from one spot to another? Have never heard that as a fact?
They were on the Webbers property, hence like the many search warrant 7 or more, some are redacted.
I think much of what you’re saying at the opening is speculation and not necessarily factual. For instance, that the girls were killed in one location and moved to where they were later located. Also, forced to undress? Not sure. If the girls made a run for it across the creek, they could have lost clothing items - especially shoes.
Hey Jennifer!
What is the connection to Kegan Kline 🤔
The positions of the bodies being moved implies 2 people were involved in moving them. Look at the pose, just the pose.
Why? One person can fairly easily move two bodies of young girls.
@@sammyday3341 The bodies were not even there the day before they were found.. The bodies were placed in that EXACT location for a reason.
No pictures no yellow tape lol
This case reminds me of the circus 🎪!!!!!
What was LE interest in Tennesee connected to this?
RA and his wife KA took a vacation there. They posted an online interest the exact time they were there but made a big boo-boo because it was supposed to be secret that the cops were watching his every move.
@@JessicaLoadholtes I don't think it had anything to do with him just my opinion.
There was an escaped prisoner that was found in Bledsoe County TN sometime
around then I will have to look at it again. Also some other suspects have ties
I believe.
@@Pottawattamie LE posted online they were looking for BG in Tennessee the same exact time RA/KA were in Tennessee hiking on vacation. They were told to modify the post. They knew about him much sooner than they wanted to admit.
9:58 if they can actually get funds for an expert
Of RL murdered girls he would not have put on his own land?
What would you do? Say you lost control of the situation and killed them, now what? Do you try to move two dead bodies in broad daylight the length of 4 football fields back to your house? Do you try to dig 2 graves in broad daylight in the frozen February soil? Seriously, what would you do?
And those witnesses said their words were changed
You talked to them?
why ya being fake? You've put away people with way less evidence. Ill bet on it! Pray Jennifer. Ill pray for you. 🙏♥️🇺🇲
Don’t know if R L was involved but R A is definitely involved. We don’t know all the evidence that’s for trial.
Ron Logan cuffed his jeans the exact same way as bridge guy. (It was this 6in cuff) and how convenient he dead?!
Ron Logan was how old?
You shouldn’t be talking about this case! You have lied about it for a very long time and you know it! Their parents didn’t drop them off either! Their sister did! Get facts straight, but you never can!
I don't know if he is guilty ore Not...I just want a Fair Trial. Its Not Possible with the collusion or corruption with this particular Judge and he pet prosecutor. Both should be jailed for their manipulative games and excluding real evidence.
This video is so inaccurate. Richard Allen did have previous encounters with LE like domestic violence. He once threatened to harm Kathy because of a game of pool at the bar. Kegan kline was also held in prison in protective custody before his trial, as a few other high profile cases in Indiana, BUT no one is concerned about any of their rights. Go look up the numbers yourself. No one was treating Ri k bad in prison. The only thing Rick coukd control was what he did or didn't eat, this contributes to his "controlling" disposition. He refused food but built up a healthy appetite for hos legal paperwork, feces, urine and toilet water. For anyone that has worked in the prison system, this is a common go to when trying to deflect guilt by faking crazy, but just like every other guilty individual that attempts this, the behavior stops as soon as it started when the toddler throwing the tantrum realizes its not getting the wanted reward. The satanic panic can go away, he deliberately staged the crime scene to manipulate attention away from himself and onto others. His wife provided a false alibi, so why lie to begin with if he was so innocent. Wait until everyone's sees the direct evidence they have besides the unspent bullet. He is no victim, but his attorneys are doing a good job at manipulating words. Besides eating his own waste, his suggestion of religion and wanting to give the families a bible contributes to the nail in the coffin of his guilt. They always find God when they have to face the consequences of their actions. If he found god maybe he would actually tell the truth for a change.
Ron Logan was not involved, you are wrong and have tunnel vision .
no , you missed an important point. R Allen did not approach the police by himself. he did so only after the tipline was established and when law enforcement set a trap releasing a still picture of bridge guy, saying that this man ought to come forward as he could be an important witness. (they let out the fact the picture came from the phone of one of the victims, and the gun and the "guys down the hill!" part).
R Allen obviously recognized himself and arranged an informal meeting with the Police because he was sure everyone else would recognize him for the picture, and he said he was there, he wore the clothes, but he saw nothing. which is not possible as we know from "witness 4" who saw both R Allen on the bridge and the 2 victims going towards the bridge 2 minutes away. he could not not have seen those 2 girls passing him by one the bridge.
so not only did he lie in his testimony, but he did not go spontaneously to the police contrary to what you suggest here. and he never went to the precinct which is one block away from the CVS store where Richard Allen worked.
Listen people go to other podcast that is really following this case!
This podcast has no idea of this case! They were not dropped off by the parents, they were dropped off by one of the girls sisters! So right away you can see what this person knows nothing about the case! I have only got into a couple of minutes of video
Ron Logan had an alibi
False. He originally did, then his cousin recanted it when he realized they were investigating a double homicide. Ron Logan and Libby's phones ping the same towers between 2pm and 4:30pm.
No look it up his alibi wasn't human it was CCTV all over two towns @@andrethegiant2877
@@andrethegiant2877 he still had an alibi. He lied about where he was and who he was with but they have him on video at another place at the time the girls were killed.
@@MK-hz2bn Absolutely false. They have him on video at the dump at 11:00 am, three hours before the Snapchat video. Then he's on video trying to establish his alibi around 6pm. He is at or near the crime scene for at least 2 & a half hours when they go missing. You can look all of this up. He was their killer. It's pretty obvious.
@@andrethegiant2877 I don’t think anyone knows who the killer is at this point. It’s a guessing game and we don’t have all the info to make a judgement.
Who killed them?! Are you serious, it's been all over the news, foo!
You sound very intelligent! You have cracked the case. Well done to you and the news🙄!!
Ron logans alibi checked out. Rick Allen put himself there.
So did Elvis Fields.
RL's alibi did not check out, and yes Rick and Ron both were both there.
He put himself there and also said he had left BEFORE the girls were allegedly dropped off.
If your going to tell the story about these little girls get your facts right
I have not seen this addressed: where did RA obtain the gun that supposedly chambered the found round? Is he the original owner?
He owned the gun simce he was about 21yo
Waite they didnt get the guy?
Coffindaffer has to double and triple down because she came out firing about Ron Logan early on.
Hence she will saybm his alibi doesnt work etc etc
It's Antonio Bueno in Clarksville, TN