Wilson's Hospital School v Enoch Burke-the Substantive Case, Day 1 | What is the Core Issue?
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Thanks for posting this video, I really enjoyed a legal professional's take on it!
Another thoroughly enjoyable presentation which clarifies most outstanding matters to my satisfaction, at least. Thank you
I think the people of Ireland need to wake up Enoch is right
Great video Terry
Thanks Terry!
It'll be interesting. Students aren't always the best judges of what's best for them but they missed him and wanted him back. What the students need mid leaving cert course should matter in some way, so he could have a point, they used a hammer to crack a walnut. But........... i guess wilsons ground down by years of having no control over him. Any reasonable push back seems to embolden him in his stance. He's not restrained at all by court, his employers, media hazing. Who'd want him on their staff.
I don't think this is the case; it's what he's claimed but I've seen no evidence of student support, but definitely some evidence the other way - the student council wrote him a letter asking him to stop coming back to the school because it was disturbing their schooling.
He may have been a decent teacher, I don't know, and it can be crap getting a replacement halfway through your leaving cert; but I don't think they miss him, I'd say they miss the stability.
@@kateisblue man and a woman their is nothing else in the world
@@patryan4445 this has nothing to do with my comment?
@@kateisblue one would disagree with you there, it has everything to do with Monsieur Ryan’s comment on there are only two gender’s….
Your prattling on about student’s unconfirmed like or dislike is pure gas lighting of a topic that is very dangerous.
Monsieur Burke is a very brave soul, who is standing up for children and women’s rights !
Whatever legal way the school sought to has the lad dismissed is secondary to him being ordered to call a boy a girl and to him objecting to such !
One reads in thé wokey Indo, a nice puff piece 🎉on how an ex principle of Wilson’s felt “hunted and mortified” by Burkes push back on this transgender pronoun name request ….. well god bless yer Anglican heart my dear, but he’s correct and the child claiming to be a whatever person should be seeing a psychiatrist, soonest .
That is before his parents have him/her on puberty blockers and then on to the evil doctor’s at the infamous “Gender Affirmation Centre” for young confused minor’s, or otherwise known at ze “Tavlock Butchery’s Centre fer Children”🎉.
Final point, the presiding judge in this case Monsieur Moore is little more than a shill for Leo and his euro court of justice boys and girls, where unfortunately you have far too many marxists looking to destroy our judéo-chrétienne way of life…..and they definitely don’t want this can of worms 🪱 opened in a provincial Dublin High Court, as it might just, just might disturb their plans to populate europe with mass Middle East and African illegals as well as the new gender of maleshe 😂…
Wakey wakey Ireland 🇮🇪…
And keep up the good fight Monsieur Burke, ye have a lot of support young dude 🎉.
@@fintonmainz7845 Finton my dear, well constructed comment from yer good self. Must have put a terrific amount of strain, if not even stress to come up with that cracking riposte.
Well done 👍 dude …… 😂 😂 !!
Looking to the courts for help yet not playing by the rules of said court is baffling behaviour. Cake and eating it and whatnot
Fascinating that there was a previous pupil who made the same request and he had no objection whatsoever to it. Certainly shows up inconsistencies in his case.
Now that’s interesting 🤨 so this school is obviously a lively place for boys using girls toilets 🚽 !!
Do ye have any receipts for your another student claim ?
Also do you know the name of the lady Bishop who sits on the board of governors , 🙏 thanks ..
Yep it's clear Burke is a fraud who is virtue signalling to his cretin cult followers. He saw an opportunity and went for it. Sadly for him he was kicked out of Irelands largest Christian Union for abusing members...so he's not getting any support from Irelands Christian societys lol
@@polobhuilean5217 It was said in court and in the video your commenting on if you'd bothered your hole to notice either of them.
@@MultiMcginty Indeed, everything that’s said in court is the truth, we repeat, show us the receipts.
So you are happy to see this horror played out in public which affects the students ,parents and bad reflection on school principle,
Thanks Terry for letting me keep up to date to this without feeling overwhelmed with anger and confusion. It's really lovely to actually see how the courts and legal system are set up to be as fair and stable as possible. They don't always manage it, but they do seem to work continuously to improve.
I do not like or agree with Enoch Burke in any way, but I always appreciate how the judges do consider any actually valid points he makes and don't just gloss over it because of the rest of his nonsense. With people who are actually discriminated against for disruptive behaviour like travellers, mentally ill people etc, it's heartening to know that their arguments will be heard properly.
Also as annoying as all his appeals etc are, I still appreciate that there's so many paths to reassess whether an injustice had inadvertently been caused. Having many voices independently reassess a case if needed feels like a much safer system than one person; as an engineer it reminds me a lot of quality assurance! 😁
I went through a deep dive of court systems a while ago and it's also cool to see how the European Courts work with the Irish courts! They sometimes disagree but the vibe seems to be "lets figure out together what the right thing is so we know for the future" instead of "how DARE you tell me what to do" or "Ugh youre so terrible for thinking that's right"
It's actually so nice to see positive human communication and cooperation. Reading the citizen's assembly reports are really nice for the same reason! They're genuinely trying to hear each other, consider every issue and its potential impact, and come to solutions together.
This video is a disgrace Enoch Burke whome I do not know is entitled to his Religious belief. I support him along with many others. It is not the job of a School to decide the gender of any child. It is a long process involving professional people. Many children regret their decision later in life as in media reports. Enoch Burke is the adult in the room here . The huge financial burden on Enoch Burke, imposed by JUDGES is a disgrace. He has sacrificed his career. His religous belief should have been given due process and discussion by his Principal and proper treatment of respect given. All this could have been avoided in my opinion. Children move on from school in the process of their education and usually their Teachers are settled in their chosed career. This episode will not help the students. Good Luck to Enoch Burke and to his loving family who support him so publically.
Do you want me to delete it?
Would you like the church in charge again?(That didn't work great)
Do you want to live in a theocracy?
@@terrygorry I believe he is fully in concurrence with your opinions terry
When you consider how well Burke has been treated - & the tolerance proffered by the various members of the Judiciary, is it any wonder that this (latest) Judge has exclaimed, "Mr. Burke, you'd try the patience of Job..." - an understandable comment for how Burke has behaved on previous occasions within the Courthouse; if nothing else, he's a recidivist - & seemingly does not acknowledge the rule of law in regard to himself & that of his conduct thereto.
It is understood that his objections are no less valid, but the way he goes about such remonstration does not serve his purpose well - & doubtful the Judge will find for him in the endgame. I'd say sequestration of his assets was a foregone conclusion. Many of my compatriots in Ireland concur...thank you for the clarity in regard to "substantive" claims...
Slán agat,
Aindriu.
The judge and government trying to cover up the truth their is only man and woman
So he's being accused of behaving inappropriately in the school, so in the process of defending himself he behaves inappropriately in court. Yea, this is going to go well for him.
Thank you Terry, very clear explanation as always.
Since this whole sorry issue arose what keeps coming to my mind is an old WW1 song by Irving Berlin "They were all out of step but Jim".
Indeed, the explanation is about as clear as Irving Berlin's WW1 song. Now give me the Siegfried Sassoon version.
@@BarMagnet Would changing Jim to Jack work ?
We all know what happened to Jack, and it wasn't his fault. Either in or out of step.
Will the fact the parents of the child have come out and said they never asked the school to refer to their child as they/them be a factor?
That bit seems rather important. If the patents/child didn't request it, why did the school?
It would if it were true but as the parents haven't actually done that then it won't matter. As Wilson's confirmed in court yesterday they were working with those parents from day 1.
@@killbotone6210 I'm pretty sure I read recently that the Mother of the child came out and said that. Im not just making it up,and I have to assume she isn't lying.
She said they didn't even know the case was about her child until the year the child was in was released in the press.
@@chriser555 oh right, where did you read that tell us ?
@@chriser555 No problems. We will just assume you imagined it until you can give an actual citation from where you read it 👌
yeh, did the school capitalise on an opportunity to finally get rid of him?
I didn't pay a parking ticket despite a letter and a warning letter and I'm up on wednesday for it, is there anyway I can get out of paying. Have a docket for vehichle repairs shortly the date of alleged infraction. If I don't show up are they likely to follow up.
Love the videos by the way
If you have received a summons and don’t show the Judge will almost certainly issue a bench warrant 🧐😉
I object to how much publicity this fundamentalist family get. Moreover I object to the court time , police time and cost to the taxpayer . Others with real issues need their cases heard and be able to get on with their lives. People are entitled to their beliefs . Their beliefs are not entitled to respect . This family aren’t entitled to respect as people because they treat everyone else with contempt. Mr and Mrs Burke should be charged with child abuse as their children are so indoctrinated and pathetic. So sorry for them but they seem to be a lost cause
Don't think I've ever seen anything like the Burkes behavior in a courtroom before. It's clear they have zero respect for the judge, the court or the law. Just out for themselves and their money.
well, it's costing them money due to thier continual contempt of court..
@@patrick6662 tax payer will probably foot the bill,
@@patrick6662 Don't worry. The go fund me pages and donation pages are doing record business for them along with their transatlantic backers.
@@killbotone6210 they have gofundme campaigns?
@@pedropadel141 They have a number of donation traps. They also get an awful lot of money from America.
A high court judge and two senior council to sort out an issue of gender and appropriate use of pronouns. And I'd bet that when the case is over we'll be more confused than ever. It really is down the rabbit hole stuff. And the Burke's didn't build that rabbit hole.
There’s no confusion here, it’s a Mickey Mouse employment dispute. Happens up and down the country every week of the year 😉
@@terrygorry With a legal wink emoji.😁
Is there a group of people who think the Irish people would happily go back to the days when Ireland was run by the church? Magdalene laundries, industrial schools and orphanages were places of every kind of misery and abuse. No way. These people will be running for public office soon. Frightening prospect.
I like the depth of that response . Well said
Well, when even the Westboro baptist church say your behaviour is over the top, then I would be inclined to consider my behaviour inappropriate and over the top ...!
We love Enoch Burke (Irish hero) to runs in the next General election and winning a seat and then becoming Minister for Justice or Minister for education that would be an answer too prayer 🙏 The Irish people believe there’s been a major miscarriage of justice in this case, the school was totally out of order and should be held accountable
Alas, Mr Burke's behaviour is not the substantive issue, his instructions to call a transitioning child with a neutral pronoun is, perhaps Mr Burke's response was strong but once again that's the effect not the cause, the cause is the substantive issue, the fact that the Courts deflect and claim the effect to be the cause is neither here nor there as the Courts are corrupt, and Mr Burke is right to call them out. If you or l considered we had a right to breathe and suddenly were told we could not and reacted strongly would we then be brought before a Court under disciplinary proceedings and told in very strong terms that we were out of order for attempting to stay alive. God help us too from Solicitors who swallow bricks and toe the line, and duly accept in an unquestioneing manner all that they are told just because it's a Judge telling them. These types of people are a disgrace.
Mr Bourke was a victim of circumstances. Unfair. I understand that the Principal of the school was either dismissed or resigned.
She resigned to take up a new post before the issues arose. This all happened during her notice period
The Principal is in the High Court today giving evidence in the case, I suggest you listen carefully to what she says.
Secondly, she resigned and took up another position. I cannot see anything wrong with that.
@@pedropadel141 I smell a rat with that school
@@patryan4445 these hiring process take months if not longer. It cant be done on the whim of a person because of a bad meeting or dinner party
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Who's paying the bills for all this litigation Terry?
Burke has no legal team so nobody. I believe the school has insurance which covers it. That’s my understanding
A good understanding of the legal magic money tree.
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To lead an orchestra you must turn your back on the crowd"
Simple fact of this is if he was a Muslim or some other imported religion, none of this would be happening.