When Aaron said "you know, I used to feel like that" I instantly remembered Jackson and Paddy and Adam. Absolutely pivotal and the ones who saved this man (Aaron).
it said it all that when Aaron was charged and in court for shooting Robert, Paddy and Adam never believed for a second he did it (others did including Robert). I love watching Adam and Aaron together
Loved this episode. Robert can so easily go from the devoted, loving boyfriend (the way his face softened when he told Vic that he loved Aaron) to a total badass! Excuse me while I throw a bucket of cold water over myself - Robert is so hot when he's angry!
The Aaron I see talking to Lawrence helping him accepting who he is. You can see that the maturity and growth in Aaron. He has really came a long way. I'm so freaking proud of him. I might be in the USA watching this show. I can say DANNY MILLER is by number one favorite international gay character. He is portraying it so well and keep on doing an amazing job everytime I see his stellar performance.
Love Aaron having so much compassion and trying to help.Aaron has come along way from when he tried to top himself now so comfortable being himself.Aaron is a Dingle so he'll still have a temper can't be perfect all time but I just love his caring and compassion for others.Danny Miller you are truly one of the best actors ever showing all the good times and bad of Aaron:)
I really like those emmerdale writers. Not only am I longing to use Robert's phrases in public myself (quite tricky, when your not living in an Englihs-speaking country) but I also just love those transfers between scenes "Stop creating problems that don't exist"- aaaand that kid Ryan walks in creating problems anyways...
Haha! I know what you mean! I also live in an non-english speaking country, but have a one or two foreign friends over here, who speak english as their mother tongue. And actually not too long ago I used a word or phrase I had picked up from ED and they where really impressed wondering how a person with english as 2nd or actually 3rd language knows it. And I was just smiling and thinking in my head "thank you Robert Sugden and Emmerdale writers..." :)
That's because Aaron has his own experiences with Robert to judge that statement with. And they were talking about accepting who one is. One thing that is sure is that Aaron cannot change the fact that he is gay. So it's not too far fetched to think that Robert couldn't change who he is, in terms of the other aspects of his personality.
Starshii When you think about it, Lawrence isn't the only one who has warned Aaron about Robert, but Aaron chose to forgive Robert, but because of what he went through with him at the lodge etc, Lawrence's words are making him think, could he be right.
Sam Dingle's idea that Aaron could help Lawrence because they are a like just backfired. Old, miserable boy gave one dimensional description of Robert, but it's evident on Aaron's face that it got to him.
Well it was Sam Dingle's idea, so what else to except, eh? ;) But I hated seeing the small hesitation and doubt on Aaron's face, when some of Lawrence's words got throught to his mind.
+sanyrub You mean Old Robert, and despite his numerous flaws Aaron still fell for him hard. New Robert is more in touch with his feelings, devoted to his lover, keeping the demons inside him in check. What counts the most is that countless obstacles and hardships are shaping them into formidable couple. Lawrence's words should be considered through the prism of destroyed, resentful old man who never got to experience true love.
Biljana Ć. No, Lawrence words in this case are accurate with the Robert he knows, which is the Robert from last year, Old Robert like you say (if you think writers won´t go back to that eventually in a few years I still think you are very naive anyway, but it´s my opinion after watching ED for some years now).
About this whole Robert has not changed thing, well how much has Aaron changed, it was not that long ago that Aaron assaulted a innocent man, Aaron has more of a violent past then Robert has, Robert has changed a lot as a partner, he is there for Aaron, he thinks about what's best for Aaron and he is completely open with the fact that he loves a man.
It has always been double standards. Aaron is a golden boy, his illegal actions and violence is in one way or another ignored, while Robert's every word and move are scrutinised and feverishly judged. When it gets nasty with unnecessary name calling and reviving the ghost of Katie that is when I usually try to defend him or just ignore the usual suspects...
This discussion on people changing/not beeing able to change got me re-watching the first scene ever with Danny Miller playing Aaron Dingle, that time Livesy. Back then (2008) he was nothing but a rude chav dealing drugs to minors. So maybe people don't change, but they can grow. And I think it's pretty fair to say that both Robert and Aaron have had a major character growt and deveploment during their years on (and off) the village.
Growth as a character. Exactly. But you also have to consider where they are coming from. Both Aaron and Robert have serious rejection issues. And both of them lashed out as a consequence of it. But Aaron has also been portrayed as someone who has a 'shorter leash' if you will. He has not been portrayed as someone who will plan to kill, for example - although he might end up doing it at the heat of the moment - his limits are fairly well defined. Robert has been portrayed as someone who is willing to go much further - into killing, even - and so has much more 'rehab' to go. And the question for me is - which I think is something that ED writers are also exploring - how far can one go in that direction until one become irredeemable?
+Ray03595 I agree with you but not sure about 'deserves better'. Can't choose who you fall in love with and all that. Aaron seems ready to get settled, but Robert isn't. He still has a lot of baggage to deal with.
I have to be honest and say that I find it a tad strange that you are loving a scene where older and wiser man talks in a manipulative and bitter way to your favourite character about him cutting himself to shreds & casting doubts and shadows over the man he loves. Someone commented that this scene was like watching people playing chess, if so I think Lawrence beeing better strategist definately won. He seemed to manage to get into Aaron's head and plant seeds of doubts againt Robert. What comes to acting, I think we have the two best actors in Emmerdale sitting here together and yeah it was definately a good scene, but sadly not a great one as I felt something was missing and not all the potential was used to make it even deep & dramatic.
Starshii Well of course it could have been even more dramatic but I don´t think they want too much more of that for Aaron now after everything he´s been through. He is having and will have happier times for a while I suppose. And no, I don´t think it was too manipoulative. It was just a truth about Robert, and yes the scars remark hurt Aaron, but Lawrence is very hurt too and I can understand, just like Aaron probably did. Didn´t came from an evil place in that moment, not to mention Lawrence owes Aaron nothing. Unlike someone that was his PARTNER and did this and worse to him repeatedly :)
I certainly have been spoiled with spoilers on this page. Anything that tells you about a future event no matter how small it is is a spoiler which I don't want to know about.
I have seen this type of thing before... Robert really loves Aaron and just needs time to come around, while Aaron is left to wonder if he is making the right choice. This is all in the making for a great story of love and the dynamics of relationships. Would it lead to marriage in the end? I am sure all Robron fans think and hope so.
Their relationship has been definitely developing in more healthy ways now. I think Aaron's asking to move in together and Robert's hesitation is among the most 'normal' interactions they've had. Every couple goes through the same thing. They'll move past this.
can't help but be worried that Aaron looked very insecure when Laurence was denigrating Robert, as if he feared there might be some truth in it. Though from the way Rob was with Ryan at the end seems he'll fight to the death to keep his new life. (do hope he doesn't take too long to say yes to moving in, if only so people will get off his case and possibly put him off the idea).
There's also classic class snobbery at play here. Lawrence's question to Aaron: 'What can you offer him?' Reminds me of Robert's comments about Andy and Chrissie - something along the lines of Andy not being able to keep Chrissie interested because all he talks about are tractors and kids.
yes I never thought of that. This is still a very class ridden society in UK and in a farming community and small village I can only imagine it is amplified but that is food for thought. I don't know Lawrence's history (whether he is old money or new) and Robert grew up on two farms that went bankrupt. It goes in line with what Robert was disowned for (which was different to why he was told to leave the village as some people commenting confuse the two). Your comments make me think. I also remember Victoria saying to Robert "I understand it is difficult coming out as the son of a farmer" and so it is positive that Robert is comfortable now but makes it for me even more perplexing his gloating at Lawrence.
Lawrence also asked 'why did you pick Robert' - his use of the verb 'pick' is another reflection of the classic upper class view of coupling as being driven by more than love. I agree that Robert's gloating at Lawrence is perplexing. Maybe it's nothing more than the fact that he is a total SOB. Robert hates Lawrence for sure - he left him for dead when he was having a heart attack. Robert could have saved him and used that to his advantage later. I thought that was odd as well, so maybe there is an explanation that could come out later. Maybe this is Robert's general antipathy towards father figures? I think Lawrence represents what Robert could have been - rich, pillar of society and all that. Robert could have viewed him as a role model, and maybe his vindictiveness is driven in part by that. Or maybe something more specific that we haven't been shown yet.
It is just childish, foolish showing off. Robert is giving himself a pat on the shoulder for being right all along. And I am not condoning his behaviour. However, I did enjoy last year's dynamics between Lawrence and Rob. Both in the closet, each dealing with secrets in entirely different way. One scene really got to me - the look on Robert's face after the charade with gorgeous rent boy when he finds Lawrence hysterical, falling to pieces. I think it was the first and last time Robert felt pity for his father in law with a sudden realisation that similar events could have happened to him.
Pong Almeda I don't know with Robert, he is perplexing. There is one person this character was definitely written to love more than anyone in the world and that was his father (no one can dispute that) so maybe he does have father figure issues with Emmerdale writers, (he certainly not Paddy's best friend)....I don't know. I now think I am over thinking things more than the Emmerdale writers. I know he is driven by jealousy over Andy's and Jack's relationship still in the present but they did have a special bond due mainly to their love of farming. I know Jack was at his wits end with Robert when he disowned him and I won't defend Robert there, he deserved it but it must have been tough to be told face to face by your father that he prefers Andy over him. I really don't know here.....discuss
+Biljana Ć. I liked those scenes last year as well. I remember the rent boy propositioning Robert, and Robert considered but then refused. I thought that was either because Robert decided he would not stoop so low - class wise I mean - or because he really just wanted Aaron. Either way, the recent scenes are in line with previous storylines when Robert was always on the edge of lashing out. (Like Aaron was.) Aaron is taming him, and maybe that is Robert's road to redemption. But this is a soap and there is always the possibility that the writers will sic 'evil' Robert on Aaron once again. That will be interesting to see, I think.
The conversation between Lawrence and Aaron is a perfect example why I love the writers of ED. They start out talking about acceptance of one's sexuality, because one can't change that. And finish off about people changing other aspects of one's personality. Made me think, if Aaron and Lawrence can't change being gay, then why would Robert be able to change his vindictive personality? 'Cold and self-serving' as Lawrence called it.
Robert was never just 'cold and self-serving' though. It has always been and will always be a part of his character, but he has also always had a selfless and loving side like we see with Aaron. He has always been a bit of both and will always continue to be a bit of both. Lawrence was wrong in saying that that is all there is to Robert and Aaron was wrong in saying he's not like that at all anymore. What's with the need to always make Robert into some one dimensional character who can only be one or the other? Robert doesn't need to change in order to be a fully fleshed out complex character capable of both good and bad. He is just the way we like him :)
+Mie SB totally disagree. IMO we lost the selfless and loving side of Robert long ago, he loves Aaron to an extent the way he can love him but once Aaron is his ex he will treat him like dirt (like he did before) and they will eventually break up as most soap couples do. Name me an ex that Robert gets on with, Katie? Nicola? Chrissie? None of them can stand him and remember Katie and Robert were "in love" and engaged to be married. Contrast that with Aaron, his exes still root for him, Victoria, Ed, Holly. Robert is an antagonistic character, he is written that way. Lawrence has every right to say what he wants to Aaron about Robert after what they did to his daughter and Robert did to their family and business, how could Lawrence see Robert any way else? Lawrence does not even know Robert left him for dead but he has been called a 'puffta' 'pervert' by Robert so why would he be singing wax lyrical about Robert? I really have not been able to warm to Robert for a long time TBH
+So Close well I totally disagree with that. I really don't understand why you are so determined to make him so one dimensional. He has always had all these different traits, both good and bad. Sometimes he shows mainly his worst, like last summer/fall (although I found him very sympathetic during the lodge scenes), and other times his best, like during Aaron's abuse storyline. That doesn't mean he changes, he just has a lot of different aspects to his personality. And most of the time, like now, we can see many of these different aspects in the same episode. That doesn't make him inconsistent or not genuine, just complex (which any good character should be). You don't have to like him because of that, but why ignore a big part of his personality (that has been clearly shown on screen) and highlight another just to make him look as bad as possible? At least face the facts.
+So Close I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude, it's just that I don't understand why whenever someone on the show is badmouthing Robert (even though it's understandable that the character would feel that way) there are always so many comments here about how much they agree and how this character's skewed view of Robert is completely true and Robert is nothing but awful etc. when we literally see him being the exact opposite in the same episode. There is and always has been a lot more to him than Lawrence's biased view of him, is all I'm saying, and the people who refuse to acknowledge this are constantly erasing a big, legit part of his personality.
There's nothing wrong about taking advice from the people who are closest to you, but the thing is you need to talk to each other about this stuff not just other people. You have to tell each other how you really feel. Otherwise all that's left is doubt. Doubt about each other, doubt about your relationship. Just talk to each other, dammit!
Great scene-Lawrence and Aaron. Now there's a couple! Aaron winds-up with Lawrence and Robert winds-up with Adam, of course after we discover Robert and Adam have been in a torrid affair behind Vic's back for months. This IS Emmerdale, after all, where anything can happen.
How does Lawrence know about Aaron's self-harm? The only thing I can think of is Robert saying it or Chas (but I don't remember anyone saying it publicly)
SuffolkGirlTalksSoap Paddy told him when he was trying to stop Aaron going away on a course or something after he won Lawrence's competition. 2018 and I still hate Paddy for telling Lawrence ,Aarons problems 😟
Lawrence spot on about Robert, you got Aaron thinking again-that leopard hasn't changed its spots. I just find people crying rape and getting people to cry rape disgusting and not helpful to the real victims of rape. Hope both Robert and Ryan get what is coming to them.
I actually found it a little funny that Aaron was basically telling Lawrence that he can't change who he is, and that he will be better off accepting it, and then say that 'people change' when Lawrence said that Robert can't change who he is. Love sure is blind :)
+So Close On your second point about pretending to be a rape victim - I haven't thought about it but you are absolutely right. There are a lot of real-life high profile cases right now about victims being accused of just crying rape. ED has always billed itself as a socially conscious soap, and it will be a shame if they just let Robert's (and Ryan's) actions go like that, without any repercussions.
Gordon was not innocent he Was a rapist, it's not like they wore making accusations against a innocent man, No he diden't touch Ryan but he Did rape a child and it looked like he was going to get away with it.
***** and that is why you have to be accurate because Gordon was a rapist. No one is shedding a tear for the character Gordon but Robert and Ryan have not helped and if it were real I would like to see them banged up. Do you know how hard it is in real life to get especially historical rape accusations to court when it is one persons word against the other? I do and it is made twice as hard being clogged up by false accusations and jury members being hesitant to believe because they have read of false accusations. Here ends the sermon. Now going back to this just being a soap I actually felt more sorry for Ryan then Robert.
Aaron has more compassion in his little finger than Robert will ever have. Chrissie in her and Roberts relationship was totally the wronged person remember so this constant gloating is uncalled for IMO. Also, Robert was the one who paid someone to say they were raped so it's come back to bite him
Everyone needs a loving person like Victoria in their lives. She's awesome.
When Aaron said "you know, I used to feel like that" I instantly remembered Jackson and Paddy and Adam. Absolutely pivotal and the ones who saved this man (Aaron).
it said it all that when Aaron was charged and in court for shooting Robert, Paddy and Adam never believed for a second he did it (others did including Robert). I love watching Adam and Aaron together
Loved this episode. Robert can so easily go from the devoted, loving boyfriend (the way his face softened when he told Vic that he loved Aaron) to a total badass! Excuse me while I throw a bucket of cold water over myself - Robert is so hot when he's angry!
I'd forgotten just how much I love Vic
Vic is the biggest Robron shipper around
The Aaron I see talking to Lawrence helping him accepting who he is. You can see that the maturity and growth in Aaron. He has really came a long way. I'm so freaking proud of him. I might be in the USA watching this show. I can say DANNY MILLER is by number one favorite international gay character. He is portraying it so well and keep on doing an amazing job everytime I see his stellar performance.
Is it wrong that when Robert grabbed him all i could think was YES
Angry Robert Sudgen = Major turn on!
Always was and always will be.
I love Aaron but sometimes he can be easily persuaded to think badly of Robert. I hope he doesn't let Lawrence get into his head.
Aaron is not a simpleton. But yes, Lawrence gave him food for thought. Always good in any relationship.
Well, it's mostly the timing really - but the fact is Aaron HAS seen Robert at his worst and by and large, it's a pretty horrible "worst".
Love Aaron having so much compassion and trying to help.Aaron has come along way from when he tried to top himself now so comfortable being himself.Aaron is a Dingle so he'll still have a temper can't be perfect all time but I just love his caring and compassion for others.Danny Miller you are truly one of the best actors ever showing all the good times and bad of Aaron:)
"The Old Queer on the Hill"
Totally Box office material xD
I love evil angry Robert.
Go Vic shipping Robron!!! Robert don't hurt that little boy to bad ,might scar him for life lol
I still love the way he says us and not me. . x x x x he was thinking of the three of them....
Robert! 😍😍😍😍
Now this is the kind of angst I wanna see. I love character driven stories.
Had a thought...is this the first time that Robert has admitted that he loves Aaron to someone else?
As much as I love Robron.... Lawrence sort of hit the nail on the head for me. Having his cake and eating it too.
I really like those emmerdale writers. Not only am I longing to use Robert's phrases in public myself (quite tricky, when your not living in an Englihs-speaking country) but I also just love those transfers between scenes "Stop creating problems that don't exist"- aaaand that kid Ryan walks in creating problems anyways...
Haha! I know what you mean! I also live in an non-english speaking country, but have a one or two foreign friends over here, who speak english as their mother tongue. And actually not too long ago I used a word or phrase I had picked up from ED and they where really impressed wondering how a person with english as 2nd or actually 3rd language knows it. And I was just smiling and thinking in my head "thank you Robert Sugden and Emmerdale writers..." :)
Lawrence planting the seeds of doubt to Aaron's mind. And succeeding doing that? Grrr...!
That's because Aaron has his own experiences with Robert to judge that statement with. And they were talking about accepting who one is. One thing that is sure is that Aaron cannot change the fact that he is gay. So it's not too far fetched to think that Robert couldn't change who he is, in terms of the other aspects of his personality.
On point.
Starshii When you think about it, Lawrence isn't the only one who has warned Aaron about Robert, but Aaron chose to forgive Robert, but because of what he went through with him at the lodge etc, Lawrence's words are making him think, could he be right.
Sam Dingle's idea that Aaron could help Lawrence because they are a like just backfired. Old, miserable boy gave one dimensional description of Robert, but it's evident on Aaron's face that it got to him.
Well it was Sam Dingle's idea, so what else to except, eh? ;) But I hated seeing the small hesitation and doubt on Aaron's face, when some of Lawrence's words got throught to his mind.
Agree. Both have doubts about each other. That is why moving in together is premature.
It´s not like Lawrence didn´t describe exactly what happened last year though. It was a pretty accurate description of the Robert he knows.
+sanyrub You mean Old Robert, and despite his numerous flaws Aaron still fell for him hard. New Robert is more in touch with his feelings, devoted to his lover, keeping the demons inside him in check. What counts the most is that countless obstacles and hardships are shaping them into formidable couple. Lawrence's words should be considered through the prism of destroyed, resentful old man who never got to experience true love.
Biljana Ć. No, Lawrence words in this case are accurate with the Robert he knows, which is the Robert from last year, Old Robert like you say (if you think writers won´t go back to that eventually in a few years I still think you are very naive anyway, but it´s my opinion after watching ED for some years now).
About this whole Robert has not changed thing, well how much has Aaron changed, it was not that long ago that Aaron assaulted a innocent man, Aaron has more of a violent past then Robert has, Robert has changed a lot as a partner, he is there for Aaron, he thinks about what's best for Aaron and he is completely open with the fact that he loves a man.
IMO you are comparing apples with oranges. When Aaron tries to off the whole of Robert's family I will compare notes
It has always been double standards. Aaron is a golden boy, his illegal actions and violence is in one way or another ignored, while Robert's every word and move are scrutinised and feverishly judged. When it gets nasty with unnecessary name calling and reviving the ghost of Katie that is when I usually try to defend him or just ignore the usual suspects...
what does comparing Aaron and Robert help? Aaron is not claiming to be a changed man it is Robert!
This discussion on people changing/not beeing able to change got me re-watching the first scene ever with Danny Miller playing Aaron Dingle, that time Livesy. Back then (2008) he was nothing but a rude chav dealing drugs to minors. So maybe people don't change, but they can grow. And I think it's pretty fair to say that both Robert and Aaron have had a major character growt and deveploment during their years on (and off) the village.
Growth as a character. Exactly. But you also have to consider where they are coming from. Both Aaron and Robert have serious rejection issues. And both of them lashed out as a consequence of it. But Aaron has also been portrayed as someone who has a 'shorter leash' if you will. He has not been portrayed as someone who will plan to kill, for example - although he might end up doing it at the heat of the moment - his limits are fairly well defined. Robert has been portrayed as someone who is willing to go much further - into killing, even - and so has much more 'rehab' to go. And the question for me is - which I think is something that ED writers are also exploring - how far can one go in that direction until one become irredeemable?
Loved loved loved the Aaron/Lawrence chat. Nothing but truths about Robert :)
glad someone sees Robert the same way. Aaron's only going to get hurt in the end. He deserves way better.
+Ray03595 It´s obvious. And many people see Robert that way. Just not many on little channels like this one dedicated to the "Robron" pairing.
+Ray03595 I agree with you but not sure about 'deserves better'. Can't choose who you fall in love with and all that. Aaron seems ready to get settled, but Robert isn't. He still has a lot of baggage to deal with.
I have to be honest and say that I find it a tad strange that you are loving a scene where older and wiser man talks in a manipulative and bitter way to your favourite character about him cutting himself to shreds & casting doubts and shadows over the man he loves. Someone commented that this scene was like watching people playing chess, if so I think Lawrence beeing better strategist definately won. He seemed to manage to get into Aaron's head and plant seeds of doubts againt Robert. What comes to acting, I think we have the two best actors in Emmerdale sitting here together and yeah it was definately a good scene, but sadly not a great one as I felt something was missing and not all the potential was used to make it even deep & dramatic.
Starshii Well of course it could have been even more dramatic but I don´t think they want too much more of that for Aaron now after everything he´s been through. He is having and will have happier times for a while I suppose. And no, I don´t think it was too manipoulative. It was just a truth about Robert, and yes the scars remark hurt Aaron, but Lawrence is very hurt too and I can understand, just like Aaron probably did. Didn´t came from an evil place in that moment, not to mention Lawrence owes Aaron nothing. Unlike someone that was his PARTNER and did this and worse to him repeatedly :)
I certainly have been spoiled with spoilers on this page. Anything that tells you about a future event no matter how small it is is a spoiler which I don't want to know about.
I think that's the 3rd or 4th time that ED hinted that someday Robert will get bored of Aaron. But I'll enjoy them together while I can :(
Love, love, love Victoria!
Aaron don't listen to Lawrence!!!
I have seen this type of thing before... Robert really loves Aaron and just needs time to come around, while Aaron is left to wonder if he is making the right choice. This is all in the making for a great story of love and the dynamics of relationships. Would it lead to marriage in the end? I am sure all Robron fans think and hope so.
Their relationship has been definitely developing in more healthy ways now. I think Aaron's asking to move in together and Robert's hesitation is among the most 'normal' interactions they've had. Every couple goes through the same thing. They'll move past this.
Robert is scared that he's going to screw up
i feel like the things lawrence said here really effected aaron
can't help but be worried that Aaron looked very insecure when Laurence was denigrating Robert, as if he feared there might be some truth in it. Though from the way Rob was with Ryan at the end seems he'll fight to the death to keep his new life. (do hope he doesn't take too long to say yes to moving in, if only so people will get off his case and possibly put him off the idea).
There's also classic class snobbery at play here. Lawrence's question to Aaron: 'What can you offer him?' Reminds me of Robert's comments about Andy and Chrissie - something along the lines of Andy not being able to keep Chrissie interested because all he talks about are tractors and kids.
yes I never thought of that. This is still a very class ridden society in UK and in a farming community and small village I can only imagine it is amplified but that is food for thought. I don't know Lawrence's history (whether he is old money or new) and Robert grew up on two farms that went bankrupt. It goes in line with what Robert was disowned for (which was different to why he was told to leave the village as some people commenting confuse the two). Your comments make me think. I also remember Victoria saying to Robert "I understand it is difficult coming out as the son of a farmer" and so it is positive that Robert is comfortable now but makes it for me even more perplexing his gloating at Lawrence.
Lawrence also asked 'why did you pick Robert' - his use of the verb 'pick' is another reflection of the classic upper class view of coupling as being driven by more than love. I agree that Robert's gloating at Lawrence is perplexing. Maybe it's nothing more than the fact that he is a total SOB. Robert hates Lawrence for sure - he left him for dead when he was having a heart attack. Robert could have saved him and used that to his advantage later. I thought that was odd as well, so maybe there is an explanation that could come out later. Maybe this is Robert's general antipathy towards father figures? I think Lawrence represents what Robert could have been - rich, pillar of society and all that. Robert could have viewed him as a role model, and maybe his vindictiveness is driven in part by that. Or maybe something more specific that we haven't been shown yet.
It is just childish, foolish showing off. Robert is giving himself a pat on the shoulder for being right all along. And I am not condoning his behaviour. However, I did enjoy last year's dynamics between Lawrence and Rob. Both in the closet, each dealing with secrets in entirely different way. One scene really got to me - the look on Robert's face after the charade with gorgeous rent boy when he finds Lawrence hysterical, falling to pieces. I think it was the first and last time Robert felt pity for his father in law with a sudden realisation that similar events could have happened to him.
Pong Almeda I don't know with Robert, he is perplexing. There is one person this character was definitely written to love more than anyone in the world and that was his father (no one can dispute that) so maybe he does have father figure issues with Emmerdale writers, (he certainly not Paddy's best friend)....I don't know. I now think I am over thinking things more than the Emmerdale writers. I know he is driven by jealousy over Andy's and Jack's relationship still in the present but they did have a special bond due mainly to their love of farming. I know Jack was at his wits end with Robert when he disowned him and I won't defend Robert there, he deserved it but it must have been tough to be told face to face by your father that he prefers Andy over him. I really don't know here.....discuss
+Biljana Ć. I liked those scenes last year as well. I remember the rent boy propositioning Robert, and Robert considered but then refused. I thought that was either because Robert decided he would not stoop so low - class wise I mean - or because he really just wanted Aaron. Either way, the recent scenes are in line with previous storylines when Robert was always on the edge of lashing out. (Like Aaron was.) Aaron is taming him, and maybe that is Robert's road to redemption. But this is a soap and there is always the possibility that the writers will sic 'evil' Robert on Aaron once again. That will be interesting to see, I think.
Of course Robert has changed....and then duck to avoid the flying pig
The conversation between Lawrence and Aaron is a perfect example why I love the writers of ED. They start out talking about acceptance of one's sexuality, because one can't change that. And finish off about people changing other aspects of one's personality. Made me think, if Aaron and Lawrence can't change being gay, then why would Robert be able to change his vindictive personality? 'Cold and self-serving' as Lawrence called it.
Robert was never just 'cold and self-serving' though. It has always been and will always be a part of his character, but he has also always had a selfless and loving side like we see with Aaron. He has always been a bit of both and will always continue to be a bit of both. Lawrence was wrong in saying that that is all there is to Robert and Aaron was wrong in saying he's not like that at all anymore. What's with the need to always make Robert into some one dimensional character who can only be one or the other? Robert doesn't need to change in order to be a fully fleshed out complex character capable of both good and bad. He is just the way we like him :)
+Mie SB totally disagree. IMO we lost the selfless and loving side of Robert long ago, he loves Aaron to an extent the way he can love him but once Aaron is his ex he will treat him like dirt (like he did before) and they will eventually break up as most soap couples do. Name me an ex that Robert gets on with, Katie? Nicola? Chrissie? None of them can stand him and remember Katie and Robert were "in love" and engaged to be married. Contrast that with Aaron, his exes still root for him, Victoria, Ed, Holly. Robert is an antagonistic character, he is written that way. Lawrence has every right to say what he wants to Aaron about Robert after what they did to his daughter and Robert did to their family and business, how could Lawrence see Robert any way else? Lawrence does not even know Robert left him for dead but he has been called a 'puffta' 'pervert' by Robert so why would he be singing wax lyrical about Robert? I really have not been able to warm to Robert for a long time TBH
+So Close well I totally disagree with that. I really don't understand why you are so determined to make him so one dimensional. He has always had all these different traits, both good and bad. Sometimes he shows mainly his worst, like last summer/fall (although I found him very sympathetic during the lodge scenes), and other times his best, like during Aaron's abuse storyline. That doesn't mean he changes, he just has a lot of different aspects to his personality. And most of the time, like now, we can see many of these different aspects in the same episode. That doesn't make him inconsistent or not genuine, just complex (which any good character should be). You don't have to like him because of that, but why ignore a big part of his personality (that has been clearly shown on screen) and highlight another just to make him look as bad as possible? At least face the facts.
Mie SB I am not, please don't state what I am trying to do, you are not me. I said I disagree and gave my opinion. Agree with it or not.
+So Close I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude, it's just that I don't understand why whenever someone on the show is badmouthing Robert (even though it's understandable that the character would feel that way) there are always so many comments here about how much they agree and how this character's skewed view of Robert is completely true and Robert is nothing but awful etc. when we literally see him being the exact opposite in the same episode. There is and always has been a lot more to him than Lawrence's biased view of him, is all I'm saying, and the people who refuse to acknowledge this are constantly erasing a big, legit part of his personality.
There's nothing wrong about taking advice from the people who are closest to you, but the thing is you need to talk to each other about this stuff not just other people.
You have to tell each other how you really feel. Otherwise all that's left is doubt. Doubt about each other, doubt about your relationship. Just talk to each other, dammit!
That might happen on Tuesday, according to spoilers.
Great scene-Lawrence and Aaron. Now there's a couple! Aaron winds-up with Lawrence and Robert winds-up with Adam, of course after we discover Robert and Adam have been in a torrid affair behind Vic's back for months. This IS Emmerdale, after all, where anything can happen.
How does Lawrence know about Aaron's self-harm? The only thing I can think of is Robert saying it or Chas (but I don't remember anyone saying it publicly)
It was mentioned during Gordon's court case.
Emmerdale is a small village and the villagers love to gossip, so basically it could have been anyone at the pub.
SuffolkGirlTalksSoap Paddy told him when he was trying to stop Aaron going away on a course or something after he won Lawrence's competition. 2018 and I still hate Paddy for telling Lawrence ,Aarons problems 😟
Oh Rob. 😜
Lawrence spot on about Robert, you got Aaron thinking again-that leopard hasn't changed its spots. I just find people crying rape and getting people to cry rape disgusting and not helpful to the real victims of rape. Hope both Robert and Ryan get what is coming to them.
I actually found it a little funny that Aaron was basically telling Lawrence that he can't change who he is, and that he will be better off accepting it, and then say that 'people change' when Lawrence said that Robert can't change who he is. Love sure is blind :)
Yes that conversation between Aaron and Lawrence was like a game of chess- it ended in a stale mate lol
+So Close On your second point about pretending to be a rape victim - I haven't thought about it but you are absolutely right. There are a lot of real-life high profile cases right now about victims being accused of just crying rape. ED has always billed itself as a socially conscious soap, and it will be a shame if they just let Robert's (and Ryan's) actions go like that, without any repercussions.
Gordon was not innocent he Was a rapist, it's not like they wore making accusations against a innocent man, No he diden't touch Ryan but he Did rape a child and it looked like he was going to get away with it.
***** and that is why you have to be accurate because Gordon was a rapist. No one is shedding a tear for the character Gordon but Robert and Ryan have not helped and if it were real I would like to see them banged up. Do you know how hard it is in real life to get especially historical rape accusations to court when it is one persons word against the other? I do and it is made twice as hard being clogged up by false accusations and jury members being hesitant to believe because they have read of false accusations. Here ends the sermon. Now going back to this just being a soap I actually felt more sorry for Ryan then Robert.
why can't the boys ever be on the same page!!!!!!!
Lawrence is too Damn old to be worried about what people think about him.
NOT POSTING THE SPOILER BUT...
Something is going to happen with that gun and now Aaron has his fingerprints on it...
Aaron has more compassion in his little finger than Robert will ever have. Chrissie in her and Roberts relationship was totally the wronged person remember so this constant gloating is uncalled for IMO. Also, Robert was the one who paid someone to say they were raped so it's come back to bite him
Actually Ryan never claimed to be raped, but that Gordon had been inappropriate with him.
+Merima Tropoja Actually we never got the details of what inappropriate meant but they still deserve what is coming to them...both of them